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AL13Nafter the update, one of the "main" apps disappeared from my list... but, i can't remember what it was...08:13
larstiqAL13N: maps?08:14
AL13Nah yes, that was it08:14
AL13Ni guess i use modrana much more08:15
AL13Nthat i don't quite miss it08:15
AL13Ni wonder if it's still installed08:15
* AL13N is gonna check08:15
AL13Ni guess it uninstalled08:15
AL13Nthis probably is in the upgrade log, i should've checked there08:16
* AL13N 's thinking i'll leave it uninstalled08:19
AL13Nit's not that useful if you have modrana, estimate routes aren't that great anyway08:19
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the_mgtmaps is nice because it connects with contacts08:44
the_mgtbut that is about it. HERE on android is sadyly much more useful08:45
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abransonthe_mgt: we've been trying to think of ways of exposing that - so other map apps can register as map handlers, and you'd be able to choose which one launched. it's tricky though, especially if you want to include the android actions too08:47
r0kk3rzabranson: exposing it for the many native maps applications would be nice08:47
abransonr0kk3rz: it's already possible for web browsers to override url handlers, but some sort of generic system for all that sort of thing is essential in the long run.08:49
pp_url handlers, now there's a can of worms ;) (ok, they're useful too)08:49
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the_mgtor just add proper navigation with voice to the native Maps app...09:35
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Sidderosberg quits f1, wth14:31
coderushttps://blog.jolla.com/watch/14:32
r0kk3rzi hope they release a build for asteroidos devices14:33
TMavicauseless14:38
* Sfiet_Konstantin likes14:39
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TMavicahttps://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/ZyPJI4t9/IMG-20161202-WA0020.jpg15:02
TMavicaLol15:02
raa700wat15:20
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coderusJoona watching his own work15:24
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Liekeare smartwatches still a thing?15:43
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r0kk3rz!seen c_la15:51
merbotr0kk3rz: I have not seen c_la.15:51
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rigoLieke: the trend starts to move from cheap US/CN watches to some more privacy aware architectures16:54
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phlixi_origo: what figures do you have which lets you asume that anyone cares about privacy at all, let alone this beeing a trend?17:22
phlixi_odont get me wrong, i would love to see this, but all i see is people do not understand at all what this is about and happyly feed google (and similar) as much data as possible17:24
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rigophlixi_o: a generation issue. There are many polls and news reports17:35
rigophlixi_o: generation issue means that the people from 25-45 click on all moving things and don't care much as long as "it does what I want" but don't care about "does also other things"17:36
rigophlixi_o: the kids are much more careful. And the analog grandpas like me are also much more careful17:37
rigonow also enterprises start to be very careful17:37
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rigoBonjour tigerfoot :)17:38
phlixi_othe kids i know, are just as mindless as their parents.17:38
phlixi_oand if there was a trend towards privacy, what phones are those careful people using?17:38
rigojolla :) e.g. the Security area director of the IETF ....17:39
rigoand cyanogenmod17:39
rigoand iOS without jailbreak and without cloud services17:40
phlixi_obut the figures, i guess jolla might have sold 100, maybe 200, doesnt matter, even 500k of devices (and i doubt its actually 100k). that what apple sells in a second17:40
phlixi_owel,, not literally in a second, but maybe a day17:40
phlixi_oand by the way, there are lots of people just the first thing they do is slamming google play services on the jolla. those obviously do not care about privacy17:41
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phlixi_oi have no reliable figures, just guesses, thats why i was asking if you have actual figures17:42
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phlixi_origo: according to http://www.everysecond.io/apple apple sells the amount of what jolla sold in its entire existance within a few hours17:52
phlixi_oand thats only apple. samsung etc have even much larger quantities. so relativly speaking jolla is not existing17:52
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r0kk3rzyeah but the size of the market is huge, so does that really matter?17:54
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phlixi_or0kk3rz: rigo was talking about a trend to privacy, i was hoping that he has some figures to share. since i have a pretty pessimistic view on privacy in the future, which i laid out in the lines above17:58
r0kk3rzyeah i agree, people seem to be using the whole 'but im a good person with nothing to hide' argument17:59
tigerfoothe salut rigo ;-)17:59
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rigophlixi_o: unfortunately, I have no time right now to dig into all my polls. I have to run. But some tech article reported that silicon valley is massively losing to EU services. I should find the URI for next time18:04
phlixi_omy impression is 99% dont use any arguments at all, they done care and or dont understand and or are not aware at all. things just happen magically18:04
rigoso jolla has a chance if it doesn't want to be a better android, but to cater to some other customer class18:05
phlixi_oill google that, thanks rigo18:05
rigo:)18:05
rigowhy don't you qwant it?18:05
rigo -> qwant.com my preferred french search engine18:05
phlixi_othats what i am preaching all the time, more focus on privacy, thats a qsp... but instead of owncloud integration it is dropbox and onedrive...18:05
phlixi_ousp*18:06
rigoyep, and that is recipe for disaster18:06
rigothey are catering to the wrong crowd18:06
rigoonly because of some loudspeakers18:06
phlixi_othere a surely proper motivations, maybe their surveys show jolla customers want dropbox not ownvloud18:06
rigobtw, r0kk3rz, my suggestion will be finished after the WE and will be submitted to jolla18:07
rigoif you drop me email, I email you the PDF18:07
* rigo is using latex and looking up every other command18:08
* rigo has to run. A nice WE to all18:08
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phlixi_oi have to catch a bus as wel... gn8 :-)18:08
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mornfallgneight?18:28
mornfallcd18:31
mornfallsorry wrong window18:31
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MMoriif I didn't know better about latex that would have sounded so weird rigo :D19:10
leinirwell, latex is difficult to work with... whether or not it's the material or the typesetting system :)19:13
MMori:D that's true19:14
leinirso, you know, keeping a reference handy's good, whichever latex we're talking about :)19:15
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