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gryffusHello folks, i would like to ask what is the most powerfull / best equipped device that runs Sailfish?11:05
r0kk3rzgryffus: that you can actually buy?11:06
gryffusr0kk3rz: that would be best... i have tried it on my rPi and i would like to have an actual phone with it...11:07
gryffusbut i can wait if there is some future device planned11:08
gryffusalso, i don't have any problems in installing on "unofficially" supported phone11:08
gryffuss/in/with11:08
r0kk3rzone plus x is good11:09
pp_that'd be the xperia x, official port should be out soon11:09
gryffusalso, does Jolla still have it's Open Build Service instance open to public/community ?11:09
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gryffusr0kk3rz, pp_: thanks guys :)11:09
r0kk3rzgryffus: Mer does11:09
gryffusr0kk3rz: ok so i can build against Mer, but not against Jolla (ui, ...) ?11:10
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r0kk3rzno you can build everything you need11:10
r0kk3rzin terms of apps and the like11:10
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gryffusr0kk3rz ok so what parts of system is closed / not available in the OBS ? Only graphics, icons etc?11:12
gryffusis source code for ui parts based on Qt available?11:12
phlixi_oxperia x is announced for end of q2. my personal expectation is this means "maybe q3 if you are lucky, i actually expect 'within 2017' if nothing fails horribly"11:26
LarstiQpessimism never hurt anyone11:27
phlixi_oimho the main advantage of official stuff is the android compatibility part. if you came from rpi and apks areno big deal, then iirc fairphone2 has the most mture port11:28
phlixi_othats more of "most mature", not sure about "best equipped"11:29
phlixi_o...however, the equipment is worth nothing if not supported :D11:29
malthere are a few quite good ports currently11:31
phlixi_oLarstiQ I call it realism, be honest, be objective, think about jolla history. sounds q2 realistic to you?11:31
LarstiQphlixi_o: yes11:31
phlixi_othats good news for me, as i expect you have more insight than me :-)11:31
LarstiQI certainly hope so ;)11:31
LarstiQphlixi_o: I think we're making reasonable progress, technically.11:32
LarstiQphlixi_o: there are of course also business processes involved, so I'm not about to hold my breath, but still11:32
phlixi_oshould i order an xx on ebay now?11:32
LarstiQnot having to deal with an ODM makes it so much nicer11:32
LarstiQphlixi_o: eh, that I can't say either way and just point at what has been said in community meetings11:33
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phlixi_othe last information about exactly that is the most important point wich leeds to my (pesimistic) estimation11:34
phlixi_othe meeting answer was in the sense of jolla anounces shortly, whether one should rund and buy xperias or not. but its the same since then. at the same time, end of q2 is actually pretty close11:35
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LarstiQwe're in the first third of Q211:35
phlixi_oat the end of the first third... in busines days, starting tomorrow, the next third is the last one11:36
pp_If it doesn't happen by mid-june it won't happen until september (welcome to finland)11:38
gryffusphlixi_o: it is already released or not? According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Xperia_X11:39
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phlixi_osfos for xperia x is not released so far. thats what LarstiQ and where chattiing about. speculating when it will be released (while LarstiQ is an insider)11:41
phlixi_ogryffus11:41
gryffusphlixi_o: oh i see... thanks11:41
phlixi_oeveryone (TM) is waiting for it :-)11:42
gryffus3 GB of RAM? oh :( i've had 4g on my Samsung :(11:42
r0kk3rz3gb for sfos is heaps11:43
phlixi_ogryffus it is unclear (at least for public) at the moment if you should buy one now, and then download the image (or whatever) later; Or if it will be exclusivly available via special device purchase preflashed11:43
gryffusphlixi_o: i don't care about preflashing... I always reflash all my devices i buy anyway11:45
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gryffuswell, everything (or at least most of it) in Sailfish ins open, so i don't see how could that be available only in preflashed version11:46
phlixi_ogryffus well, you will need somthing to flash on the device :-)11:46
gryffusoh you mean that the device could be locked from flashing?11:47
gryffuswell i think it will get cracked sooner or later if it wil be locked anyway :)11:47
gryffusthink/hope11:47
phlixi_oi actually dont know, but afaiu the reason for no avail images for jp1301 is qualcom blob stuff11:47
r0kk3rzno, it wont be locked like that11:47
gryffusr0kk3rz: thanks for info11:48
r0kk3rzbut indeed, you might not be able to get an image11:48
gryffusr0kk3rz: but i should be able to built it myself no?11:48
r0kk3rzmaybe11:48
phlixi_ounclear11:48
phlixi_oshort version: if you can wait a bit, then wait. its announced for end of q2. thus i expect at least more information within the next 1, max2 months11:49
gryffuswell, i your country we say: who is afraid, cannot go to the forest :)11:49
gryffus*in my country11:49
gryffusif it will be some locked sh*t i can sell it later :)11:50
phlixi_o(and some others actually expect something to buy within 1-2months :-)11:50
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r0kk3rzgryffus: it wont be locked, but the version you build yourself might not be the same as the prepackaged version11:52
gryffusr0kk3rz: that is what i want :) i never trust a prepackaged/preinstalled software... especially on mobile devices11:53
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r0kk3rzgryffus: that fine, but it might lack some features you care about11:53
malalso considering that the way official images are made is completely different from the unofficial builds it might require a lot of work to get it working11:54
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gryffuswell this is what i use now: http://c.aligator.cz/.thumbs/680x480/images/album/Products_Model_Product/104/V4001.png :) just because it is unhackable :))12:27
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gryffusso i really don't care about features too much... freedom is my main criterion...12:28
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gryffusand then CPU power... I would like to dual boot Sailfish and Kali NetHunter12:29
phlixi_othen you probably just want to ask "is the nexus 5 or the oneplus one port for sfos better"?12:55
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phlixi_ogryffus12:58
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r0kk3rzgryffus: kali only supports a handful of devices anyway13:02
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sakustarsony has had some weird stuff with their cameras if you root the device16:09
RaYmAnwhile they've certainly had some missteps, 'weird stuff' these days mean == disable proprietary software algorithms for improving image quality..16:11
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