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chriadamPSA: if anyone is able to help with testing a couple of fixes to caldav/carddav sync: https://together.jolla.com/question/158893/caldavcarddav-testing-volunteers-requested/07:25
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louisdkAnyone in here with Turing Phone experience?10:39
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abransonlouisdk: I may have had a go of one in the past. Lovely screen on them.11:39
louisdkabranson: but not supporting newest sailfishos release?11:41
abransonlouisdk: no idea sorry11:42
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r0kk3rzturing dropped the product didnt they?11:56
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Nicd-dropped, like released or cancelled?12:23
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r0kk3rzcancelled i think12:27
r0kk3rzthe shipped devices were supposed to be 'pre-production'12:28
Nicd-they cancelled the whole thing? :D12:30
Nicd-haha12:30
Nicd-link?12:32
hagizDoes anyone know if there will be paid apps in the harbour store, like ever?12:32
Nicd-hagiz: I wouldn't hold my breath12:32
LarstiQj/win 5212:34
hagiztoo bad. I like the OS, and with the sony thing there might actually be decent hardware somewhere down the line12:34
hagizbut doesn't look like they want app development on the platform12:34
LarstiQhagiz: no, we would like that12:35
LarstiQit's just that we don't have resources to spare right now to make that possible12:36
hagizfingers crossed for future developments then12:36
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r0kk3rzhagiz: i highly doubt paid apps would change anything12:37
r0kk3rzit didnt work for BB, or MS, why would it suddenly work here?12:37
hagizr0kk3rz: would probably attract a few more developers and get a few quality paid apps is my thinking12:38
r0kk3rzBB even paid developers to port their apps to BBOS1012:40
r0kk3rzbut, still they relied upon android compatibility12:40
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hagizFor normal users android compatibility will probably always be a must, true, but doesn't mean there shouldn't be a way for people to make a little money on quality apps for SFOS12:44
r0kk3rzthere are ways, but currently theres no users to sell to12:44
hagizYea, I guess most Jolla 1 phones bought by others than enthusiasts are in drawers somewhere by now12:45
Nicd-3674 active installs on my apps12:46
Nicd-seems to have stagnated12:46
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hagizDidn't realize numbers were that low :-(12:51
Nicd-well my apps aren't the most popular12:52
Nicd-the dude who made the file manager could probably get the best numbers12:52
abransonwould people buy a filemanager?12:53
r0kk3rzthe built in one is pretty good12:53
Nicd-I wouldn't. but I bought a music player and music syncer for Android. and I paid for Mitäkuuluu back in the day to support it12:54
abransoni'm not sure what people would buy on sailfish tbh. all the most desired apps on other platforms are free12:54
r0kk3rzone person threw me €5 for my music player12:54
r0kk3rzthat was nice of them12:54
abransonthe lack of apps is because of the small pool of users, not because people can't charge for them12:54
r0kk3rzindeed the apps people will miss the most are service based, like whatsapp, facebook, snapchat .etc12:55
Nicd-well I remember artemma stopping way back when because there was no commercial aspect12:55
abransonalso, i'd really rather not have drm all over sailfish, if that would be needed to 'protect' paid apps12:55
hagizYea, reading comments on https://together.jolla.com/question/6522/harbourstore-support-for-paid-applications/ it seems this was something that could have had a small impact way back in the beginning12:56
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phlixi_oand there is a huuuge flame-thread about payed apps on tjc... i think most of those "I need that blablablal" miss the point, that if it really that easy as they claim, and needed so importantly, then just implement you own payment in your app...13:26
phlixi_ofor the record: i clearly do not say implementing payment is an easy task, its just a claim from that thread ath it would be an easy thing13:27
phlixi_oactually i think this is hell :D13:27
phlixi_owith all the taxes and international stuff and payment providers and different countires and liabilities and obligations and and and.. you need staff for checking returns and what not13:28
phlixi_ojust from the top of my head :D13:29
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r0kk3rzsell it in bitcoin, job done13:40
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pketophlixi_o: indeed, implementing a button to take money from people is probably not the hardest part :)15:41
phlixi_oexcept if you are in lets say germany and your customer is in france, or vice versa, or whatever eu country, and you have to apply the right taxes etc etc15:42
phlixi_othere is a lot of annoying stuff if you want to have end customers pay you money15:43
phlixi_oi love all the apple bashing and such, but there is a reason which is not 100% greed why apple takes 30% :-)15:43
Nicd-I just wish even putting a donation button was legal here :P15:55
tbrpayments/billing is a *massive* can of worms and I wholeheartedly understand why Jolla never got into that15:58
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tbrI don't understand why they never made a clear stance15:59
tbrsomething like "We won't offer payment options in the store, but everyone is free to implement it through third party options"15:59
tbrif you can't have the cake and can't eat it, don't lie about it16:00
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