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sobukus | I just realised that my Jolla phone uploaded all my contacts to a caldav/carddav account without asking. | 14:02 |
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sobukus | This is a work-related account I added just to get my work calendar synced. | 14:02 |
sobukus | Can I somehow avoid the phone spilling my private data into the clowd?! | 14:02 |
sobukus | And … if I delete the contacts from the cloud thing … will the Jolla then delete my contact database on the device?! | 14:04 |
r0kk3rz | lesson, dont connect your personal device to work things :) | 14:05 |
LarstiQ | sobukus: what type of account? | 14:05 |
LarstiQ | sobukus: exchange at least allows not syncing contacts at all | 14:06 |
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sobukus | LarstiQ: It is caldav/carddav. | 14:19 |
sobukus | I only see options to select the calendars to sync from that account … but I was surprised to see the birthdays from the phone contacts being uploaded. | 14:20 |
LarstiQ | chriadam: ^^ | 14:20 |
sobukus | … and of course the birthdays are there because the whole account database has been uploaded, too. | 14:20 |
LarstiQ | it seems we need the same ui toggles as for exchange to separate cal/card | 14:21 |
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sobukus | I deleted the account now on the jolla and am in the process of clicking on each account in the cloud web ui to delete it … | 14:26 |
sobukus | (each contact) | 14:26 |
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sobukus | Would the Jolla also delete the contacts locally had I still the caldav account active? | 14:26 |
sobukus | Oh the irony … me being the paranoid freak using a fringe platform like Jolla/Sailfish, privacy arguments and all against hooking into Google/Apple/MS cloud … and then the device just pushes my personal contacts around to any cloud contact that is in reach. | 14:31 |
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r0kk3rz | sobukus: there was a check on account create for caldav/cardav for me | 14:38 |
sobukus | r0kk3rz: You mean selecting CalDAV? | 14:41 |
sobukus | I did not realise at all that this would upload all my contacts. | 14:41 |
sobukus | Eh … CardDAV, I mean. | 14:41 |
r0kk3rz | yes, that one | 14:41 |
sobukus | CalDAV did not upload my local calendars. | 14:42 |
sobukus | Why does CardDAV upload my local contacts without asking? | 14:42 |
r0kk3rz | because it does? i expect you would uncheck that if you dont want to sync contacts | 14:42 |
r0kk3rz | but maybe that switch doesnt work anyway https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1364 | 14:47 |
merbot | Mer bug 1364 in buteo-syncfw "Buteo will re-enable disabled sync profiles on account change" [Task,New] | 14:47 |
sobukus | r0kk3rz: Coming from the CalDAV angle, my intention was to get access to the calendar entries stored in the cloud, in addition to my private entries on the phone (or on my other cloud account, possibly). | 14:50 |
sobukus | Getting access to the shared data != immediately sharing all data. | 14:50 |
sobukus | CardDAV is very much different, then … there is no concept of differing address books as there is of differing calendars, I presume. | 14:51 |
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sobukus | r0kk3rz: The bug report you indicated links to merged pull requests from 2015 … so is this fixed in current Sailfish? | 14:53 |
r0kk3rz | im not sure, the bug status is still open | 14:53 |
r0kk3rz | you'd need to talk to chrisadm | 14:53 |
* LarstiQ peeks at JB#33054 | 14:54 | |
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LarstiQ | sobukus: back then changes got merged that should prevent it from happening again, but there may still be an underlying bug | 14:55 |
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r0kk3rz | so, disregarding that, the problem is that it wasnt clear that it would be a bi-directional sync for cardav | 14:56 |
sobukus | Yes, I had not much information to base my decision on. And of course, a distinction of local and synced contacts was what I expected. | 14:58 |
sobukus | I faintly remember some terminology along that on an old Android device. | 14:58 |
merlin1991 | so I wrote about this some time ago, but the issue still persits | 15:02 |
merlin1991 | when I open the browser it tries to dl from some broken url | 15:02 |
merlin1991 | and it does that *every* time | 15:02 |
merlin1991 | where on earth is that dl queue of the browser that has a broken entry? | 15:02 |
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r0kk3rz | sobukus: looks like there is a syncprofile setting for that in cardav, maybe its not on the UI... | 15:04 |
sobukus | LarstiQ: But in any case … Sailfish has no distinction of differing address books? You sync either all contacts or nothing? | 15:04 |
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merlin1991 | seems to be something realted to the transferengine | 15:05 |
LarstiQ | sobukus: there is actually some contacts-not-allowed-to-sync somewhere | 15:05 |
LarstiQ | sobukus: beyond that, don't really know | 15:06 |
LarstiQ | sobukus: https://together.jolla.com/question/158893/caldavcarddav-testing-volunteers-requested/ | 15:06 |
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LarstiQ | sobukus: next meeting is Aug 7, https://sailfishos.org/wiki/CalDAV_and_CardDAV_Community_Contributions#03.2F07.2F2017_Meeting | 15:07 |
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sobukus | LarstiQ: That tjc is only about CalDAV, right, not the CardDAV part, right? | 15:09 |
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sobukus | I wasn't aware of the C*DAV stuff being explicitly experimental. | 15:10 |
sobukus | There is lots of account types for funny services I never heard of. Though the DAV stuff is pretty standard and would be a starting point. | 15:10 |
r0kk3rz | https://git.merproject.org/mer-core/buteo-sync-plugin-carddav/blob/master/src/syncer.cpp#L196 | 15:11 |
r0kk3rz | however that bit is triggered | 15:11 |
sobukus | Hm, so that only syncs from remote to local? | 15:13 |
r0kk3rz | yes | 15:13 |
sobukus | And if there is no m_syncProfile set at all, it will also sync? Looks strange. | 15:13 |
LarstiQ | sobukus: experimental? No. Has bus? Yes | 15:13 |
sobukus | Also … if I make local changes to a cloud contact, I probably will have that change propagated (best with version history and backup on the cloud side … well, either side …). | 15:14 |
sobukus | will want to have | 15:15 |
r0kk3rz | it sounds like you dont really want these things to sync | 15:17 |
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merlin1991 | okay so my problem is not in the transferengine, it's behaving just fine and seems to get a new transfer request from the browser every time | 15:23 |
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sobukus | r0kk3rz: Well, I want to decide what to sync and what not. | 15:34 |
sobukus | And if there is an address book mapping to the cloud contacts, I want changes to be synced back to the cloud. | 15:36 |
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louisdk | When you buy a new Xperia X and people wonder why you don't use your new phone yet. | 17:55 |
friese | when you buy a new xperia x, ty out android and discover that usability hasn't improved much the last 5 years... | 18:07 |
Nicd- | when you buy a new Android phone and are very happy with it because finally things work ;) | 18:08 |
friese | also: when you dig out your old palm pre and discover that there once was an os even better than sailfish *ducks and covers* | 18:09 |
r0kk3rz | yeah its a shame what happened to palm | 18:09 |
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