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r0kk3rztiwake: if it runs proper foss linux then i dont see why not07:30
r0kk3rzbut i do wonder what hardware it will have to make that a possibility07:31
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r0kk3rzif you want to find out more, best ask the guys in #purism07:32
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r0kk3rzah freescale, and supposedly open drivers only. so yeah a sailfish port should be easy07:44
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dr_gogeta86if use etnaviv is classic mesa DRM stuff08:08
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tango_I don t suppose there has been any progress on getting kde connect for sailfish, has there?08:16
r0kk3rzi dont know of anyone working on it08:17
tango_has anyone tried using it with the dalvin in the jolla 1?08:20
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r0kk3rzi think i tried once, and couldnt get it to work08:27
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Bysmyyrr0kk3rz: I have had no problems with android kdeConnect08:58
tango_Bysmyyr: jolla 1 or tablet/C?09:03
tango_they have different android versions09:03
r0kk3rzit was a while ago i was looking at it, maybe i was just doing it wrong09:03
Bysmyyrjolla1, maybe c, not remember anymore09:04
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mornfallis there a way to make the mail app refetch/refresh the list of folders?11:47
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tmynttin_https://blog.jolla.com/sailfishx/14:19
fennekkihoh14:22
fennekkicurious14:22
Nicd-lovely introduction video with about 5 seconds of actual device :D14:22
ninnnuSony :(14:23
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Tofe50€ is quite a good price, imho14:56
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Tofe... and to think I was looking at Sony devices at verkkokauppa just a week ago :p15:00
jonwilAfter the extreme crappiness of the Sony Cyber-Shot point & shoot digital camera I bought years ago I vowed never to buy another Sony product again. That and a bunch of anti-consumer BS and crap they have done is why Sony are on my personal blacklist :P15:02
rigostill, if it is the only way to get a non-apple non-google device, I would succomb :)15:04
LarstiQTofe: just to be clear, for 50€ you get software and support, but not the hardware15:04
r0kk3rzthey're a big company, they dont always get everything right15:05
TofeLarstiQ: yes yes, I understood that15:05
LarstiQTofe: good, just engaging in some expectation management :)15:05
r0kk3rzive been burnt by them a couple of times15:05
jonwilAnd its not like I need anything from Sony, Samsung make better TVs, Canon ,make better cameras and my Nokia N900 is better than any phone Sony makes.15:05
LarstiQjonwil: their open devices team seems nice though15:06
jonwilyeah I suspect there are some at Sony that are genuinely good and don't represent the evilness of the general corporate culture at Sony.15:06
jonwilIf my N900 dies I will replace it with another one (or a Neo900 if that ever stops being vaporware :)15:07
jonwilSo what exactly is being talked about here? A new Sony device that runs Jolla? A way to run Jolla on specific already existing models of Sony Android device?15:11
LarstiQjonwil: the latter15:11
LarstiQjonwil: see https://blog.jolla.com/sailfishx/15:12
jonwilOk so its a way to run Jolla/Sailfish on certain models of Sony Xperia phones instead of the Android it comes with.15:12
LarstiQjonwil: it's a Sailfish hardware adaptation to Xperia X supported by Jolla15:13
LarstiQjonwil: so you will get the closed bits community ports (atm) don't get, Alien Dalvik, Exchange etc15:13
jonwilSo Sony isn't involved with this? (other than the fact that their hardware is being used as a target and the fact that this particular model happens to have unlockable bits and pieces so it can run a new OS)15:14
jonwilOr did Sony provide (or provide redistribution permission for) some of the binary hardware bits requried?15:14
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LarstiQjonwil: they've been responsive to porting question at least15:15
LarstiQjonwil: made the open usage of the camera go from 8 to 16 MP15:15
LarstiQjonwil: so they've been involved in the effort15:16
jonwilSo some of this work is possible because Sony opened up code to bits of their Android implementation?15:16
LarstiQeh, I don't know the specifics of that15:17
jonwilok.15:18
jonwilDoes this stuff use an Android kernel and stack or a proper Linux kernel and stack?15:19
LarstiQjonwil: yes15:19
jonwilSo is it using an Android kernel or a Linux kernel?15:20
LarstiQjonwil: what do you consider to be the difference?15:20
Tofejonwil: it should be an Android kernel with a glibc stack, as usual around here15:20
jonwilDoes this stuff use Android-type GPU drivers with that gralloc thing or is it using linux type GPU drivers and an X11 stack? (I am guessing Android type drivers since that's what tends to be available for the Qualcomm Snapdragon SoCs in things like the Xperia X)15:24
r0kk3rzyeah we tend to use android drivers, since they work best15:26
Liekei wonder what this "continuation program" after one year of updates means15:27
r0kk3rzhandover to the community im guessing15:27
cehtehwith paying for the software i'd expect a longer support plan15:27
cehtehi wont mind paying anually, but about 4-5 years should be guranteed15:28
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jakibakiHonestly as long as they keep supporting at least one somewhat current phone I'm fine with it.15:40
rigoI can imagine some of you can make a commerce out of selling already sailfish enabled phones to end users15:43
rigovia some webshop15:43
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jonwilHow does Jolla handle talking to the cellular radio stack? I am guessing there is some kind of standard Google Android API/ABI for this that each phone vendor implements for their particular hardware in the Android firmware that comes on the phone and then Jolla just uses that alongside the GPU drivers and other things...16:06
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jakibakiIt uses ofono afaik (https://git.merproject.org/mer-core/ofono)16:11
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