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maheartThe server is reporting a 503 for me. When I `curl -sv 'https://shop.jolla.com/' 2>&1 > /dev/null | grep -i '< HTTP/1'`, I get: "< HTTP/1.1 503 Service Unavailable: Back-end server is at capacity"06:17
coderusddos :)06:18
maheartindeed :)06:18
coderuseveryone wants sfosx now06:18
mornfallprobably greatly helped by crummy backend code :p06:18
maheartI applied for a Jolla sysadmin job, I could have helped them with this :)06:18
mornfallif the same care was given to the backend as to writing the promo texts, i am quite surprised it works at all06:18
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pketomaheart: works here, but I'll investigate what might be the problem in your case06:30
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pketomaheart: where are you from? note that it is available only in European Union, Norway and Switzerland06:47
Nicd-works for me06:48
Nicd-(Finland)06:48
maheartI'm in Australia :)06:49
pketothough the rouuting was off, so it was givin 503 instead of "not available in your country", it should be fixed now06:49
pketothank you for reporting this :)06:49
maheartworks now! thanks06:49
maheartand by works, I mean it tells me it's not available in my country (expected)06:50
Nicd-aww06:53
coderusso, need proxy to buy sailfish x? nonsence :D06:53
coderusokay, france proxy works fine :)06:54
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maheartThanks for the info coderus06:56
coderusmaheart: do you have a jolla tablet vocher?06:56
maheartYes06:57
maheartOr, rather. I paid for the Jolla Tablet. I don't know if I have a voucher yet06:57
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r0kk3rzpoor auswegians, always getting the short end of the stick07:44
r0kk3rzJaymzz: any word about offering sailfish x in further countries? i received a question about HK07:45
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r0kk3rzand tbh its Sony so it should really be available in .jp as well07:51
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RaYmAnr0kk3rz: it does require that the device is actually unlockable too though07:53
RaYmAnwhich e.g. simlocked devices tend not to be07:53
r0kk3rzis that still a common thing in .jp?07:54
mekluwindows? ouch.07:54
RaYmAnI honestly don't know, but it might restrict some regions at least07:55
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jakibakimeklu: The unofficial flashtool works :)08:05
meklugood to know08:05
r0kk3rzhttps://sailfishos.org/wiki/Sailfish_X_Build_and_Flash#The_Linux_Way08:06
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jakibakir0kk3rz: It's probably better to just install the update via flashtool (which does exactly what emma does including unlocking the oem partition) instead of moving the blobs via recovery :)08:08
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r0kk3rzjakibaki: yeah its a bit of a nasty hack08:11
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Jaymzzr0kk3rz: not at the moment unfortunately. We of course would love to offer it to every country imaginable but there are potential issues that we would like to avoid, that's why we are sticking to EU, Norway and Switzerland for now.09:01
r0kk3rzJaymzz: understood, a simple 'yes we are looking into it' would suffice, or 'its not a priority right now'09:02
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Jaymzzr0kk3rz: Of course. I would like to provide details though ;)09:05
JaymzzI don't favor typical corpoate replies to be completely honest :P09:06
r0kk3rzi agree, but simple direct messaging can help at times09:06
r0kk3rzi mostly just want something to relay should people ask about in the community09:06
JaymzzGot you r0kk3rz :)09:10
mornfallooc, the purism phone people plan to use matrix.org for comms, and it seems that the sfos messaging chat app has deteriorated a lot... would it be feasible to move sfos over to matrix too?09:11
mornfall(i am not implying that matrix isn't looking shaky with a financing meltdown of their own, but it still seems there's more progress than with telepathy which seems to just remove networks over time)09:14
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r0kk3rzi should fix up matrix on sfos09:17
r0kk3rzit wouldnt even be that hard09:17
r0kk3rzbut the purism phone is a disaster waiting to happen09:17
mornfallwhy would it?09:18
jakibaki🍿09:18
abransonthere have been a few people asking for matrix support, but no-one's got as far as starting an app afaik09:18
mornfallthere are some qt-based clients already, aren't there09:18
abransonif something gnu gets done for purism, then that might make a good starting point09:19
r0kk3rzyeah you need to wrap this https://github.com/QMatrixClient/libqmatrixclient09:19
abransona nicely integrated matrix, with voip and conferencing would be lovely09:19
mornfall(but people were very skeptical of the purism laptop, and i saw virtually no complaints yet, unlike with jolla or fairphone :p)09:19
jakibakimornfall didn't they take like forever to port coreboot to it?09:20
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r0kk3rzwell the purism people seem to be thinking 'this is just like building a laptop, so lets do that' when it really isnt...09:21
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mornfallr0kk3rz: on the other hand, they are already sidestepping the issues that burned both jolla and fairphone ... so maybe they aren't completely stupid either09:22
r0kk3rzwhat issues?09:22
mornfall(picking a stable SoC like i.MX seems like a pretty smart move to me... compared to typical qualcomm junk)09:22
mornfallmaybe they learned from the mistakes of others :-)09:23
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r0kk3rzi doubt that, they want free drivers09:23
r0kk3rzthat limits their choices considerably09:24
mornfalldrivers is what burned fairphone, you know09:24
r0kk3rzhow so?09:24
mornfallthey basically had to axe fp1 because they couldn't get supportable os on it09:24
mornfallthey can't get new kernels because the soc vendor no longer supports their particular chip09:25
mornfallsame thing as jp1 really09:25
r0kk3rzyeah thats fairly normal these days09:25
mornfallbut for fp1 it's even worse, because they are stuck with old android09:25
mornfalland people are *really* pissed that they bought an expensive phone that was supposed to last a long time09:26
mornfalland they can't even get security patches anymore09:26
mornfallso basically junk09:26
jakibakimornfall: Yeah that was really stupid. I'm glad that they learned from this mistake with the Fairphone 2.09:27
mornfallbut jp1 also suffers a lot due to the old kernel... all those btrfs bugs and ancient bluetooth stack are basically down to a poor choice of SoC :-)09:28
mornfalland we are never getting them fixed09:28
mornfallpurism is a huge win on this front, at least in theory09:28
mornfallthe matrix.org meltdown is really poorly timed tho09:30
mornfallso i am reluctant to invest09:30
r0kk3rzim not sure the jolla guys had a huge amount of choice09:34
mornfallchoice about what?09:34
r0kk3rzsoc09:34
r0kk3rzafter ericsson pulled out the jp1 project was almost dead09:34
mornfallwell, the phone is probably a template design09:34
tbrthe ericsson soc wasn't exactly stellar to begin with09:35
mornfalland it was a small batch and so on09:35
mornfallanyway, purism looks like it might actually manage to break out of the android kernel trap09:36
mornfalllibhybris was an interesting idea, but it doesn't seem to be working that well in practice (because of all the stuff already mentioned)09:37
mornfall(ironically, it would be probably possible to salvage jp1 using open drivers now, but of course jolla is so short on staff that it's completely unrealistic they'd try that)09:38
r0kk3rztheres practically zero point in them spending engineering effort on the jp109:38
mornfallsure, but it sucks to be a sfos user these days :p09:39
r0kk3rzthese days? hasnt it always sucked :)09:39
mornfallwe have a choice of a bunch of devices, all of them more or less orphaned09:39
jakibakimornfall: How? My Xperia X is running marvelous.09:39
mornfalljakibaki: how's bluetooth? ;)09:40
jakibakimornfall: fine actually09:40
jakibakithey already fixed that09:40
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jakibakiOnly thing I somewhat miss now is the baromerter because I want to implement a fake-forcetouch patch for sailfish os :) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgNXsJeN7ek)09:41
r0kk3rzi think mal was working on hooking that up09:42
r0kk3rzi started to take a look at NFC09:42
mornfallunfortunately, i can't really justify the expenditure (and out of the xperia lineup, the supported phone is the one i like the least)09:43
malbarometer is just waiting for one PR to be approved and merged and also after that the configuraiton of sensorfw needs to enable it09:44
maland of course after those the needed packages have to updated in the image09:44
jakibakimal: Do you happen to have a running rpm of that lying around? I couldn't get it to build without completely breaking sensorfw.09:45
mornfallXZ1 Compact, i could maybe make a case to buy that09:47
maljakibaki: not sure where I have the rpms, I probably should build those on OBS, maybe I'll remember to do that tonight09:47
jakibakimal: Thank you very much! :)09:48
mornfall(i think it does run lineage os, but even if that's an upgrade over android, it's still kinda icky)09:48
mornfall(yes, it's ridiculously overpowered)09:50
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r0kk3rzmornfall: you'd need a 7.1 hybris branch but you could build sfos for it09:57
mornfallyes, but sfos without alien is (very sadly) unusable09:58
mornfallgotta go, bbl09:59
r0kk3rzimo we're going to need to step up and shake that requirement very soon10:00
mornfallwell, there's no way that native apps will suffice for that, so *some* compat layer is needed10:09
r0kk3rzgetting anbox up to scratch is not an easy task10:09
r0kk3rzand alien-dalvik is becoming too old to be useful10:10
r0kk3rzso yeah, rock -> us <- hard place10:11
RaYmAnxz1 compact Comes with android Oreo, so presumably you would need an 8 branch hybris10:13
RaYmAnSince Google changed everything Hal in 810:14
r0kk3rzRaYmAn: theres a 7.1 AOSP build for it10:15
RaYmAnHybris should be much nicer with 8 tbh10:15
RaYmAnReally? Funky10:15
r0kk3rzRaYmAn: 8 will probably require a complete rewrite oh hybris10:15
RaYmAnSure10:15
r0kk3rzamongst other things10:15
r0kk3rz7 should just be about porting the los-14 branch patches10:16
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RaYmAnBut it will probably be a rewrite to a simpler way10:16
r0kk3rzmostly just different10:18
r0kk3rzwith a bit less device specific hacks perhaps10:18
r0kk3rzbut anyway, someone needs to do that work :P these things dont just magically appear out of nowhere10:19
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mornfallexactly, which is another of hybris flaws :p it sucks to play catch-up with google10:32
mornfallbut so does writing drivers, so this is again the rock/hard place situtaion10:33
mornfalland the soc churn suits big players very well, because they can just out-resource competition on said churn10:34
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r0kk3rzyeah well theres a reason why all major android phone manufacturers dont have phones as their primary business10:34
r0kk3rznobody is making any profit out of these things10:35
mornfalloh, i think they are profitable on it, since they sell large volumes10:35
r0kk3rznope10:35
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maheartRelevant: https://www.theverge.com/2016/7/29/12320782/sony-mobile-business-earnings-q1-201612:30
maheartSony made a $4m *quarter profit* in its smart phone division.12:31
maheartAnd that's selling (according to the article) 3.1m devices12:31
maheartWhat a cut through industry. I wonder if Android would even exist without a company like Google developing it, and giving it away for free12:32
mahearts/through/throat/12:32
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phlixi_oso they make 1$ per device12:58
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sobukusI got an emergency with my Jolla phone. I got a text message with a second factor. I accidentally triggered a reply action and now, when I tap onto this thread in the messages app, I only can compose this new message but do not see the initial second factor message anymore.14:31
sobukusHow can I get rid of the new message dialogue?14:31
sobukusI cannot even _send_ a dummy message because the recipient is invalid.14:31
sobukusWhere is the abort functionality for composing a new message?!14:32
sobukusAnd I pretty much need that content of the previous message I got in this thread.14:32
sobukusThe UI offers no way to get at the previous messages, this is frightening.14:35
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* sobukus looking at a hex dump of the message backup 14:41
sobukusAh, seems like I can recover that token.14:41
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r0kk3rzsobukus: wtf you cant swipe back?14:46
sobukusNo14:46
sobukusr0kk3rz: swipe from left brings the messages overview again14:47
sobukustapping on the thread brings me back into the composing view14:47
r0kk3rzsobukus: on mine the 'new message' is seperate from the message thread14:48
r0kk3rzon the messages overview14:48
sobukusNope. I see only one entry where whe thread should be, with a pencil on the left.14:49
sobukusI got my little security token now out of a hexdump of that backup thing.14:50
sobukusFrankly, this is perhaps the last straw … I was migrating to an old Android phone with LineageOS anyway, just did not manage to transfer contacts and login stuff yet.14:51
sobukusSailfish has many nice thoughts, but it is too painful in daily use with the things that _nearly_ work.14:51
sobukusI live with enough software breakage on other fronts (I build my Laptop/Desktop Linux installs from source, dammit) … I need a phone that _works_:-/14:52
r0kk3rzyeah its a pita most of the time14:52
sobukusAnd also people start looking at me in strange ways for still having a Jolla1.14:52
sobukusI am switching to a Galaxy S4, which is about as old, just … much better …14:53
sobukusJust being able to end calls with the press of the power button again is a pleasure!14:53
sobukusWasn't an option with SFOS for a strange reason.14:53
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SQUelcherI'm not sure which phone i want next... Maybe back to a flip-dumbphone :>15:08
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r0kk3rznah smart phones are too useful15:13
sobukusSQUelcher: There are no good flipphones anymore … only these devices with huge buttons for the elderly.15:30
sobukusI actually got myself one, because I was once so frustrated about how doing phone calls sucks with a smart brick.15:30
M4rtinKT39 ? ;-)15:38
M4rtinKif only the ribbon connecting microphone in the flip was more robust...15:38
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