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ender|...so, when will the Sailfish X sales start?09:39
raa700soon(tm)09:39
phlixi_omy crystal ball told me we will hear something preeeetyyyy soon (like, this week, proably today)09:44
phlixi_ogiven jolla just pushed 2.1.3 and late night activity on the twitter, makes me think they are sprinting09:46
phlixi_oi dont think they would be sprinting into late night, if its not realistic to launch as planned. then a blog post "another delay" would be enough, then it does not matter if its 1 or 2 weeks.. and you dont need to work at night for such blog post09:47
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inte[m]Hello again:)12:01
inte[m]Its been a while12:01
inte[m]Getting interested in sf x12:01
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inte[m]However, just wanted to ask: I totally spoiled my current jolla phone. I tried to upgrade to the most recent release but the upgrade progress was terminated due to lack of free space12:04
inte[m]I cannot start ir again even though i keep getting the update available message12:04
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inte[m]I tried to manually trigger the update through pkcon update and it installed some packages12:06
inte[m]However, the message did not disappear and my camera stopped working12:06
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inte[m]So, its totally messed up and i dare i will have to go through factory reset12:06
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inte[m]Or is there any other way to trigger the update now after I made some space?12:07
r0kk3rzyeah dont ever do pkcon update12:07
r0kk3rzever12:07
inte[m]Hehe12:07
inte[m]Hehe12:07
inte[m]Too late, unfortunately12:07
inte[m]Is pkcon update the same as developer updates in settings?12:08
r0kk3rzno12:08
inte[m]Just curious12:08
inte[m]Oh ok12:08
inte[m]Anyways, i will not try that again for sure :)12:09
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inte[m]So, is there any possibility to initiate the firmware upgrade manually or is a factory reset my only way out of this mess? :)12:10
r0kk3rzyou can try `ssu re 2.1.2.3` and `version --dup`12:12
r0kk3rzbut do a backup first12:12
inte[m]Sure thx12:12
inte[m]Will try that @home12:12
inte[m]Don't want to run out of power to complete the mess ;)12:13
jakibakiinte[m]: and free up some space. If it failed before because of that it could fail again.12:13
inte[m]Jakibaki i removed the vids already, should be fine now12:13
inte[m]Btw i downloaded the matriksi matrix client from a dropbox link i found somewhere in the depth of the jolla forums12:15
inte[m]However, the github page is empty12:16
inte[m]Is this project also dead and are there other matrix-clients applicable at present?12:16
inte[m]Doesn't work too bad though12:17
r0kk3rzi didnt think we had a matrix client12:17
inte[m]Well there used to be tensor which is also linked from matrix.org but the repo shows no activity in the recent year(s)12:19
inte[m]And matriksi appears to share some code12:19
r0kk3rzgot a link to it?12:20
inte[m]And least, this is what they say12:20
r0kk3rzi did some work on tensor for sfos, but i got over matrix12:20
inte[m]Sorry not current but ypu could easliy google it12:20
inte[m]Currently in the ubahn :)12:21
r0kk3rzi tried, google came up with nothing12:21
inte[m]Woops wait12:21
r0kk3rzat least on the english intrawebs12:22
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inte[m]https://together.jolla.com/question/127769/tensor-matrix-client/12:23
inte[m]The links are hidden in the comments12:23
inte[m]Ill be afk for an hour or so12:24
r0kk3rzah just binaries12:24
inte[m]Yes and the matriksi repo is empty12:24
inte[m]https://github.com/anttsam/matriksi12:25
r0kk3rzyeah, thats no use then12:28
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inte[m]Well but still the client is not too bad13:11
inte[m]Dont know about security though13:12
inte[m]Maybe the whole world can read my messages now:)13:13
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inte[m]Ok tried the dup command from above but it fails due to an undefined symbol13:17
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phlixi_oi thought matrix is flat broke anyways?13:32
inte[m]the release notes of the upcoming konversation client (KDE irc) pointed me to matrix since it will support matrix then13:33
inte[m]i have now installed it and while somewhat similar to slack i really tend to like it13:33
inte[m]even the client (riot) is similar to the slack client since both are built with electron :)13:35
inte[m]I only wonder if it is feasible to run electron apps on sailfishos as well13:36
inte[m]ist webkit/nodejs so probably it can be done13:36
inte[m]it's13:36
phlixi_ohttps://matrix.org/blog/2017/07/07/a-call-to-arms-supporting-matrix/13:40
phlixi_oon a first naive thought: probably makes more sense to use qt and webview, which is kind of the same as electron etc13:41
phlixi_othat does not help to run existing electron apps, i understand that :-)13:42
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inte[m]jey, i agree13:46
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* cb400f looks around for anyone with inside infoz on sailfish X download release14:00
r0kk3rzwhats that? never heard of it14:01
cb400f:-)14:01
cb400fI guess if no e-mail was received during normal working hrs the release won't happen today :-(14:02
jakibakicb400f they seem to be updating shop.jolla.com right now :) (a credential pop-up comes now, it was the same way when they prepared the pre-order)14:05
cb400fah, maybe they were just waiting until I got home from workz ;-)14:06
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ender|...nice, shop.jolla.com is now asking for username/password before loading14:07
pketowe are doing some testing, stay tuned14:07
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* ender| mashes F5 furiously14:11
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r0kk3rzender|: play nice, let them work :P14:12
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ggabrielwell done jolla peeps for delivering on time ;)15:32
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phlixi_ohttps://shop.jolla.com/ is accessable again15:33
phlixi_o(without credentials)15:33
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n9mx"At this moment there are no payment methods available for this combination of amount, currency and account."15:38
friesehumm, my credit card seems to get accepted by jolla, however i get redirected to my bank telling my i need to enable "verified by visa" which takes a couple tdays - oh yay, more waiting :-)15:46
frieseunfortunately credit card seems to be the only payment option ???15:46
ggabrielfriese: what you are describing is pretty standard - vbv in my case takes minutes... but you should take that up with visa/your bank15:47
frieseyep, my bank is offering registration for that, however that's gonna take a few days...15:48
friesei don't use my credit card very often - so maybe i should have prepared better (hoped that paypal would be available though, at least it always was before...)15:49
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Coolgeekhttps://blog.jolla.com/purchase-download-install-sailfish-x-now/15:55
pketon9mx: may I ask where are you from?15:55
phlixi_on9mx on other channels i read no paypal, have you tried credid card?15:55
pketothat affects the available payment methods, and I just want to make sure we haven't missed something, as naturally is quite difficult for us to test from all locations :)15:57
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n9mxphlixi_o: "Thank you for your purchase"16:00
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phlixi_othat was easy :-)16:01
friesepketo: for Germany at least, American Express, Mastercard or Visa are the only supported options, so no paypal?16:02
pketono paypal16:02
pketoin germany there should be some e-bank option available16:03
friesee-bank? don't have that either i think (if it's sofortüberweisung or sth. like that). Well, unfortunately I'd have to wait till my Bank enables my verified by visa then, which should take 1 or 2 days, well I guess i should've checked beforehand....16:05
ggabrielfriese: look at the bright side: there are no stock restrictions here16:09
sailfishmodsCredit cards are used in Germany, but many do not have any. Is not the standard pay16:10
frieseyup, that's true :)16:10
phlixi_ogoogle image search suggests to me that "ebanking.com" (which gives nginx error to me) might be internationalisation of sofort-überweisung (which is to avoid at all costs)16:10
friesei think i got my credit card only for some kickstarter project which didn't have any other payment option and basically haven't used it since...16:11
phlixi_oiirc "sofort überweisung" is kinda professional fishing16:11
frieseexactly - though they seem to (unfortunately) have good marketing16:12
phlixi_oits absurd...16:12
phlixi_oand even some absurd court rulings16:13
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friesehumm, that's interesting. I've even gotten a few cents of interest on my credit card since the kickstart project i funded failed and i got my money back  - seems tohe investment in pebble payed of after all ;)16:14
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friesewell, i'm afk for now, checking back alter to hear the first reports of successfull installs hopefully :)16:16
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phlixi_ofriese: https://teleirc.mikaela.info//file_873.jpg16:18
phlixi_o(not mine though)16:18
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jakibakiphlixi_o: yay, that's mine :)16:20
phlixi_o:)16:20
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* phlixi_o is also a fan of thinkpad niples and hates touchpads16:21
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useretailhey guys, can anyone test bluetooth on sfosx?16:58
useretail*sailfish x16:59
useretaili mean on official one, not community16:59
jakibakiuseretail: works for me :) Not sure if audio works as I don't have a bluetooth speaker near me but it worked at least in the community-build.17:04
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pawky2finally, got the Xperia image downloaded :-) Anyone having the Linux install procedure?17:33
jakibakipawky2 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=153642417:34
pawky2or is it just like flashing the phone with another image (which is already done?17:34
pawky2I noticed the Sony binary pointed to, is older than another one I have, I presume it really NEEDS to be the older version right?17:34
pawky2jakibaki: thanks for the instructions :-)17:35
FashyGoycan someone help with unlocking the bootloader17:43
jakibakiFashyGoy what step doesn't work?17:44
FashyGoy"a. Windows users: When asked for a driver, open the Devices and Printers directory, click on the fastboot driver and press Update. Browse and point towards the location of the new android_winbus.inf file."17:44
jakibakiFashyGoy: oh, can't help you with windows :/17:45
FashyGoy:(17:46
FashyGoyproblem is i wasn't asked for a driver but i assume its the same driver that was already updated with the sailfish x driver since there is nothing else17:47
r0kk3rzFashyGoy: you probably dont need it then, its nothing special17:48
FashyGoyright17:48
FashyGoywell i tried continuing with the instructions with17:48
FashyGoy4. When your device is connected, open a command window on your computer and go to the platform-tools folder within the Android SDK folder.17:49
FashyGoy5. Enter the following command:17:49
FashyGoyfastboot devices17:49
FashyGoyonly to get a line saying17:49
FashyGoy'fastboot' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.17:50
r0kk3rzyou do have a fastboot executable in that folder?17:50
jakibakiFashyGoy you need cd to the folder where you unpacked the image.17:50
FashyGoyoh right cd17:51
FashyGoyi forgot that :D17:51
FashyGoyits a loong time i used command prompt in windows17:51
FashyGoythanks jakibaki17:57
FashyGoyits happening!17:57
jakibakiFashyGoy yay :)17:58
ender|FashyGoy: www.farmanager.com makes command line more bearable :)18:04
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ender|let's see if i can restore backup from my original Jolla to Xperia18:42
* cb400f swipez his xperia18:54
ender|...it's been restoring Gallery for a while now - i wonder if it's stuck18:58
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ender|oh, it finished19:21
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ender|hmm, no more HereWeGo in the store?19:45
cb400fnoticed that here too.. guess you can get it from yalp or 1mobilemarket instead19:46
cb400fif you install those stores manually first of course, since they aren't in Market either ;-)19:47
pawky2Am i the only one who's noticed the flashtool file to be downloaded from jakibaki's flash instructions, actually don't mach  with the MD5 sum provided on the website where to download it from?19:47
pawky2this is what it should be: 3C70AF72F9B9E45C195F9192409E0C0F   and this is what I get: a68d331f710b78f7eaf4350e70d3e69319:49
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pawky2Has anyone else trusted this flashtool version without any problems?19:53
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jakibaki pawky2: The flashtool works perfectly and the domain is linked in the official xda thread of the tool. The wrong md5sums are most likely just a mistake by whomever maintains the website. (especially since if someone with malicious purposes changed the links they could also change the md5sum to represent the new malicious files)19:58
pawky2ok... it just feels a bit schetchy, software needs root... it connects to the internet "fetching things..." huh...19:59
pawky2jakibaki: while at it... I'm already having the phone unlocked, rooted and with a different image, will this make any difference installwise, you think?20:01
ender|noticed first problem with SailfishX: CodeReader is having trouble focusing the camera, and apparently can't turn on the flash20:08
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pawky2isnt this Jolla X image business just about installing another image on the phone, just like putting a custom ROM upon it?21:25
pawky2It seems the install procedures assumes the person has an unrooted stock F5121, but min has been rooted since the time of dawn, and if its just about replacing the ROM I could be up in notime..21:27
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ender|according to the readme, you have to install the latest android version first before you can install sailfish21:38
ender|if your is already rooted, you probably just need the latest stock image, let it boot once, then install sailfish21:38
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ender|i wish there was a separate volume setting for system sounds and ringtones - the sounds are a bit too loud22:02
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pawky2when using windows to flash, runing the flash-on-windows.bat  only takes a few seconds, afterwards the device just boot loops :-(22:27
pawky2hould the total flash time only take like 25 seconds?22:28
pawky2or am I just misinterpreting the Finished, message?22:29
pawky2ok.. maybe I was just a bit to trigger happy, and the finished message not really meaning like totally finished, but.. somewhat finished... duh..22:32
pawky2I hope all will go well, or else I will not have any alarm clock to wake me up tomorrow... :-/22:33
pawky2yee... its booting :-)22:34
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tiwakehow is the new sailfishOS device?23:58
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