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KabouikDoes anyone have any idea of how many native SFOS application are there currently? Someone is comparing SFOS to Windows Phone, and I have several reasons to disagree on the comparison but I would also like to know the size of their respective ecosystems.10:33
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r0kk3rzeh... microsoft would win that easy10:35
KabouikYeah but what order of magnitude? Hundreds or thousands of apps? Including Openrepos I mean.10:35
r0kk3rzhundreds, i dont think thousands10:36
Nicd-also most WP apps are total crap10:36
r0kk3rzimo 'number of apps' is a shitty metric10:36
cehtehwhen you consider the s/n ratio, sfos wins :D10:36
cehteh10 useful apps from 11 available :D10:37
r0kk3rzi havent used WP enough to really comment10:37
cehtehme just thinks about android/play store10:38
r0kk3rzbut from a devices sold perspective, WP blows sfos out of the water10:38
cehtehmillions of apps, 99.9999% are crap10:38
KabouikYeah Nicd-, totally agree on that. I think the ratio of good/bad apps has always been much better with Maemo/Harmattan/SFOS. It probably has to do with the absence of ads.10:38
KabouikThere is no need to code a crap app if you can't monetize it.10:38
Nicd-well SFOS has a lot of crap apps too :D but not for monetisation reasons10:38
Nicd-but at least most are well intentioned apps10:39
cehtehjolla/sfos lacks some absence of functionality/features too, but whats there usually works and is not annoying10:39
r0kk3rzbut yes, theres not many ways to compare these things where sfos actually comes out on top10:40
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cehtehactually when you only consider the native sfos application status, its pretty bad, few nice things, but nothing really innovative and the state of the OS as in 'smartness', assistants, interoperation between apps etc is years behind10:43
cehtehwell and not only comparing to android, i used a apple newton in the 90's which had features even android cant do10:43
cehtehglobal search, interopration between objects from all applications, an awesome clipboard (why didnt anyone ported that to linux/x11/android?)10:45
cehtehhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhivPLXrLjk10:46
r0kk3rzim not sure people would like that these days10:49
r0kk3rzpeople dont trust their apps10:49
cehtehyes today you need to manage permissions for every shit10:56
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tadzikis there an up-to-date list of things that Sailfish X actually supports on Xperia? Stuff like fingerprint reader and such13:43
r0kk3rznot that i know of13:45
r0kk3rzit doesnt do fingerprint though, or nfc13:46
tadzikI seem to recall it was not supposed to do bluetooth at first, but it eventually did13:49
r0kk3rzyeah, fingerprint and nfc will take a lot more work though13:50
tadzikright13:53
r0kk3rzBT only really partially works anyway13:53
tadzikI guess I should go ahead and contribute my 50€ then :)13:53
tadzikpartially?13:54
r0kk3rzyeah13:54
r0kk3rzcheck TJC for various reports13:54
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r0kk3rzbecause theres like 1000 different BT profiles and devices and eras, some things work and some dont13:54
tadzikI had my moment of weakness when I considered how everything mostly works on android and it's not a major pita in surprising number of ways, and maybe I should just stick to it like a normal person would, but 5 minutes with stock android cleared my head13:55
tadzik"give google access to this? Give Sony access to that?" and a cherry on top, a windows 10-esque "I scheduled system update for tomorrow between 2 and 3 AM for you"13:55
r0kk3rzyes, a different set of 10,000 paper cuts13:56
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tadzikI guess I'll always be able to roll back to lineage or some island of at least partial sanity13:58
r0kk3rzunfortunately theres some problems with doing that13:58
tadzikoh?13:59
tadzikonce you go X you can never go back? ;)13:59
r0kk3rzsony impregnated drm everywhere so any alternatives are slightly broken in some ways13:59
r0kk3rzthe worst one is probably the noise cancelling mic which means that voice calls cant be too loud14:00
r0kk3rz*echo cancelling mic14:00
tadzikah, in that way14:00
tadzikI thought that flashing X actually makes it impossible to reflash it into anything else later14:00
r0kk3rznot entirely14:00
r0kk3rzsony gives you a flash tool so you can flash back to stock OS, but still missing drm shite14:01
tadzikhuh14:01
r0kk3rzanyway, have fun!14:05
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tadzikthanks :) I'm in now14:39
tadzikit seems unable to install the "premium" stuff from store though, android support, exchange and th like14:39
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r0kk3rztadzik: logged in with your account?15:00
r0kk3rzthe same one used to purchase sailfish x licence15:00
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tadzikr0kk3rz: yeah, a reboot fixed it, as someone on TJC said it would15:12
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tadziklol, seems like backups can only be restored from the sdcard, not from the internal storage15:49
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KabouikMy SD card suddenly became unreadable, and cannot be mounted from the SFOS UI.16:11
KabouikHere is what I get from terminal: https://hastebin.com/ahotaqaces16:11
KabouikAny ideas?16:11
KabouikIt became unreadable after the phone fell and rebooted (probably the battery moved a little), but it was not a hard fall and I don't think there was anything writing on the SD card at the moment.16:11
KabouikFsck reports "bad magic number in superblock"16:12
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coderusgoogle ext4 recovery superblock fail17:29
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r0kk3rzhmm it would seem im getting quite a lot of binder errors on my jolla c...18:07
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