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pdanekHello!13:02
Yanielhi pdanek13:02
pdanekYou guys who are attending FOSDEM, are you also meeting Tizen devs?13:02
pdanekIs there any collaboration between Sailfish and Tizen?13:02
andrewalkerI think Tizen is dead...13:04
YanielI did hear it's running on some smart tvs still13:05
Yanielbut that was last year13:05
pdanekDead?13:06
pdanekTizen is used more and more13:06
pdanekBasically in all smart devices from Samsung, apart from Smartphones13:06
andrewalkerOK, according to wikipedia it's alive13:06
pdanekTizen 4.0 released this year13:06
pdanek*will be13:07
pdanekSamsung can't kill Tizen13:07
pdanekThey use it for everything13:07
YanielIMHO the more interesting one is purism right now13:07
andrewalkeryeah13:07
andrewalkeragreed13:08
pdanekSmart TVs, smart fridge, smartwatch, smart everything13:08
pdanekAll is running in Tizen13:08
andrewalkerI see... Well, I can't speak for Jolla, but I'm not aware of any partnership or collaboration.13:08
pdanekDo you think Purism can be what Jolla wanted to be?13:09
Nicd-no13:09
andrewalkerAlso, I was at FOSDEM, at the SailfishOS meeting, and nobody there claimed to be from Tizen, so I guess they didn't meet :)13:09
pdanekDo they have the chance to be in mass market?13:09
pdanekI see13:09
Nicd-purism doesn't have the money13:09
Yanielpurism is certainly not going to be in mass market anytime soon13:09
Yanielat this point I'm not very sure what exactly jolla wanted to be so hard to say about that13:10
pdanekI still think that Tizen is very underrated13:10
phlixi_owhat in the world makes you think something like jolla or purism is relevant for "mass marked". you should know by now, that average joe (aka massmarked) doesnt give a shit about free software, privacy and similar things13:10
pdanekSure they had crappy code, sure security isn't the best. but they're getting things done and it's used everywhere basically13:11
pdanekTizen is the biggest chance Linux ever had to become mainstream13:11
pdanekIf you ignore Android13:11
andrewalkerphlixi_o: well, even those who give a shit about free software and privacy have reasons to avoid Sailfish OS...13:12
andrewalkerso even in that perspective Jolla hasn't achieved what they wanted (if that's what they wanted)13:12
Yanielpurism currently looks like they could do well in that niche13:13
Yanielbut we'll see how it turns out13:13
pdanekI think samsung has improved in software area tremendously13:13
phlixi_oandrewalker: i see that as the unique selling point of jolla/sailfish. its free of google. android is superior to sailfish in every other aspect...13:13
pdanekThey have good talent13:13
pdanekOr just huge amount of people with medium talent13:14
Nicd-phlixi_o: but there is already LineageOS13:14
phlixi_oandrewalker: and why?13:14
Yanielphlixi_o: proprietary UI is a big factor13:15
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phlixi_oYaniel: yes, in a dream world, also the ui gets opened, but until then, we live in real world, where some bits of the ui are closed...13:16
phlixi_o...go with open moko then :D13:16
Yanielpurism intends to have a fully open stack AFAIK13:16
Yanielfrom firmware to UI13:16
phlixi_ofor now, i categorize purism as vapor vare13:17
Yanielas I said, we'll have to wait and see13:18
phlixi_oonce they prove different, thats nice, and id love to see that, but in the real world we live in right know, its highly unrealistic what they claim they qwant to achive13:18
andrewalkerphlixi_o: it lacks certain features like FS encryption, encrypted comms, VPNs... I mean, you can do all of that, but it's a lot of work (you likely need stuff from openrepos, maybe command line), or it is buggy. When you install apps, they don't tell all the permissions they require as Android, so it's less private on that regard. It probably has a lot more security bugs than iOS or Android.13:19
Yanielthey also have their laptop line so it's less likely that they have to quickly release something half-assed just to stay afloat13:19
andrewalkerdon't get me wrong, I use SailfishOS daily as my only phone, and I want it to succeed.13:19
andrewalkerbut it's currently lacking in several regards13:19
andrewalkerand one might argue it's not better than alternatives13:20
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phlixi_oandrewalker: yes, thats exactly what i mean with "android is superior to sailfish in every regard, except one" ...it is not designed in order to snoop for google on you13:21
andrewalkerwell, then you also have iOS :P13:23
phlixi_oim sold in the moment apple lets me host my own icloud13:23
phlixi_o...but they wont do that13:23
Yaniel...or that, or that, or THAT13:24
Nicd-at least they mostly care about privacy13:25
Nicd-vs google13:25
ender|my mother recently bought a new phone (Xperia L1), she had Lumia 920 before. the UI is so much worse (at least the things she uses - phone, contacts and messages)13:28
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Kabouik_Hey hi, I kept postponing the SF 2.1.3.7 update for my Jolla C, but now finally decided to proceed.14:38
Kabouik_Except when I try to update, the phone reboots, tries to upgrade, and then fails and prompts something not very helpful like "the update could not be installed", then reboots (and works correctly, fortunately).14:39
Kabouik_It might be relevant ot note that I have two patches that I can't seem to uninstall: App Locker, and Devicelock faith text, maybe this is what prevents the update?14:40
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r0kk3rzYaniel: after the meeting we had with purism i wouldnt be backing the librem 5 unless you want a nicely intentioned ornament21:05
Yaniel:/21:06
Yanielnot planning to change any tech for now, just having high hopes for 202021:06
r0kk3rzyeah, i hope they think about what we said and maybe they'll come around21:10
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