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lolekhi guys, I saw recently some rumors about sailfish supporting sony xperia x phone, so I'd like to ask you if sailfish can be also installed onto xperia x compact. From what I saw those phone from the hw are identical with the only exception beeing a screen size/resolution06:45
abransonlolek: there's a community port for the x compact, and everything seems to work, but it's not officially supported right now06:49
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lolekabranson: that's a very good info and to be exact, by everything you mean Bluetooth also? as I saw on the jolla webpage that some parts (like bluetooth for example) are not working yet06:53
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abransonlolek: bluetooth's ok as of 2.1.407:30
lolekabranson: wow that's a good info,07:34
lolekabranson: ok so the last thing... encryption :)07:34
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lolekfrom what I saw on some news, it should be avaialbel in the 1q of 2018, or is it ready now?07:52
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abransonno idea07:56
lolekabranson: maybe you could poke someone here thats more in the subject of this part of the system?07:57
abransonlolek: you'll have to wait for an official announcement07:57
Coolgeekin https://blog.jolla.com/sailfish-x-whats-next/, it says "During the first half of the year, we’ll be adding memory card encryption, filesystem encryption, and email encryption."08:00
lolekoh come on ;) I'm comming here form time to time waiting for this so I switch, right now I'm on my bb that's have time limit to end of 2019 and I don't want to got either with Android nor with iOS. Jolla is something I'm hoping will make a good alternative but without encryption it's a no go for me and probably for others Aslo the xperia x size is too much yet I can get it and try to see the phone if it works and how so later i could switch to the x08:00
lolekCoolgeek: yeah this is what I'm referring to, well then seems I have to get some X08:00
lolekbtw how's the thing with licensing?08:01
lolekI mean, if I'll buy the sailfish for x and then would liek to migrate to x compact once there will be versin for it, will i have to buy another license or I'll be able to move the license?08:01
Coolgeekdunno, but I think it is 1 license / device08:02
lolekyes that's obvious but can It be moved?08:03
Coolgeekdon't think so08:03
lolekhmm that's not good :(08:03
Coolgeekbut I'm not a sailor, so....08:03
Coolgeekmaybe I'm wrong08:04
lolekCoolgeek: so, should I sent an official query or?08:04
Coolgeekdid you search on TJC ? maybe someone asked it08:04
lolektjc?08:04
Coolgeekhttps://together.jolla.com/questions/08:04
loleklet me see08:04
Bysmyyrafaik it can be transferred08:05
lolekthat would be great08:05
Liekehttps://together.jolla.com/question/171911/sailfish-x-license-in-the-case-of-breaking/?answer=171916#post-id-17191608:06
lolekthere's also this: https://together.jolla.com/question/177615/transfer-jolla-license-to-a-non-official-phone/08:07
lolekbut if it's only for xperia  then not a prob as if so I'll be moving inside xperia family08:08
lolekok then I just need to wait for the encryption08:09
Coolgeeklolek: put a question on TJC, as the answer provided as for X=>X or Xperia=>other08:12
Coolgeekyours is for Xperia=>another Xperia member08:13
lolekok, will try to do this08:14
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phlixilast time "end of q2" (which i sasume is the same as "first half of the year" meant in reality october :D08:16
Coolgeekphlixi: normal, Q1 start on june :D08:17
phlixi^^08:17
phlixiright now if your xperia with sailfish is lost or stolen, your data is unprotected. thats imho actually a problem08:19
phlixii am looking forward to encryption, hoping this will change that problem08:20
phlixias far as i understand on previous devices (j1 and jc) an atacker would at least had to break something to get into the device08:21
lolekwell that's why I'm asking for this ;)08:22
lolekand let me check something...08:22
pketoyes, sailfish x license can be transferred to other device. currently one needs to contact customer care for that, but maybe some time in future there will be interface to manage your own licenses08:24
lolekpketo: that's not a problem for me, if I'll transfer it then I hope I'll do this only once08:25
lolekphlixi: funny thing, the first time I've asked for encryption was on Friday 11th of July 2014 and it was during conv with you ;)08:26
pketoyeah, usually people don't need to do it that often, but it would be less work wor us if people could do it by them self :)08:27
lolekwell true, that's the other part of the story ;)08:27
phlixiback in 2014 the j1 at least was protected by a pin code08:31
phlixi(if you set one ofc)08:31
cehtehhuh the xperia has no pincode?08:32
phlixiyou just put an usb cable at boot08:32
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lolekphlixi: so you're saying that when I connect usb cable to the phone that's runing sailfish os then I can access everything right now?08:42
lolekso in other words I can't disable/limit usb functionality from inside of the os?08:43
phlixi_m_in order to bring sailfishx on the xperia you have to unlock the bootloader08:53
r0kk3rzwoo sailfish on brick phones!08:54
r0kk3rzi wonder if theres going to be any major ui rework for this 'sailfish 3'08:54
lolekphlixi_m_: well ok I think I don't understand all the details but once I'll load sailfish, can I lock down the bootloader? or it stays open?08:56
r0kk3rzfor those wondering wtf im talking about - https://twitter.com/cybette/status/96804442465893171208:56
r0kk3rzlolek: i dont think so, locked bootloader requires a signed image or something08:56
lolekhmm08:57
loleknot good :(08:57
r0kk3rzand the only way to relock is to backup your TA partition, and then put it back iirc08:57
r0kk3rzit would be nice if you could do that though08:57
lolekyeah but it will then be restored to the original so for xperia.. android...?08:57
lolekwell I understand that this means someone has to sing it and again this means this needs money, right?08:58
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r0kk3rzits up to sony really08:58
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Coolgeekr0kk3rz: brick phone ? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DW8vMmZWAAEhXal.jpg that ?09:04
tadzikr0kk3rz: so that watsapp on a featurephone is an example of this new UI? sick ;P09:04
tadzikah, great minds think alike09:04
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TofeI don't really get why SFOS on a feature phone: what about the touch-based UX ?13:23
r0kk3rzno touch screen13:23
Tofer0kk3rz: well, yes, thus my interrogation13:23
r0kk3rzso obviously the touch based ux doesnt really come into it13:23
TofeSo it would sum up with Mer + a brand new adapted UI -- looks like a lot of efforts13:24
r0kk3rzjolla have been doing a lot of things like that behind the scenes13:25
r0kk3rzthe point is to show how adaptable the os is to different requirements13:25
r0kk3rzi even saw a full buttonised zero gesture version of sfos once :)13:25
TofeThat I've understood, but running on smartwatches generally proves the point13:25
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Tofe(you'll say, the UX there is totally different too)13:26
r0kk3rzim talking about the ux layer mostly13:26
r0kk3rzbut indeed that was also part of it13:28
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Toferight; well, anyway, it's their choice to make, let's see how it goes13:29
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TofeI wonder to which version of Qt they'll upgrade... Probably 5.9 I guess13:30
r0kk3rzit seems like a reasonable candidate13:32
malquite probable, LTS is a good idea13:39
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Kabouik_Did anyone identify a 4.5"-or-so sized modern phone in the pictures or videos of MWC? I'm interested in the Gemini as a replacement of my Jolla C, but not a big fan of the clamshell-only form factor, looking forward to the Livermorium device instead as my real new HWKB device. In the mean time, a small phone like Jolla 1 would be great.13:45
r0kk3rznope13:46
Kabouik_https://jolla.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Sailfish3_Hero_Image_20-1.jpg trying to decipher this but I am afraid the small one in the middle is just a Jolla 1, and then the next "smallest" might be Xperia X, which is not small13:49
Kabouik_Not sure what is the thing with round edges at center top.13:50
r0kk3rzinoi r7 maybe13:51
r0kk3rzhmm not sure i like this new top menu13:52
Kabouik_Yeah probably13:52
r0kk3rzlooks a bit fugly tbh13:52
Kabouik_I like the new multitask with easier switch between the two last apps, but hope someone can come up with a patch to extend it to all applications depending on where the thumb is released13:53
tadzikwhere can we see this new top menu?13:53
Kabouik_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnnngoFtrSQ13:53
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r0kk3rz@ about the 1min mark13:53
tadzikcheers13:54
ahjolinnawhat I have been reading jolla is going to support Sony Xperia XA2, Gemini PDA and also 4G feature phones13:54
Kabouik_I'm fine with it if it makes bigger phones compatible with one hand. I really have trouble using my Jolla C with only one hand, and I don't have small hands.13:54
Kabouik_They do say so in the video abobe ahjolinna.13:54
Kabouik_above13:54
r0kk3rzgemini really shows the woeful multitasking screen on bigger screened devices13:56
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phlixi_oKabouik_ if you are not limited to official support (android etc) then maybe x compact is an option for you14:14
Kabouik_X Compact would indeed be great, but unfortunately I do need Android for some banking and parking applications where I leave that have no alternatives to Android :(.14:15
Kabouik_(I cannot even park past 8 am if I don't have Android, how silly is that?)14:15
phlixi_opretty silly if you ask me14:16
Kabouik_I guess they would say that I can use iOS if I don't own an Android device.14:16
Kabouik_:<14:16
Kabouik_I was hoping I would see a X compact on the SF3 pictures somewhere, but it looks like the XA2 is the only new Sony announcement so far. They still say "dozen" of devices though, so there might be hope.14:18
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Kabouik_Jolla 1, Jolla C, Jolla tablet, Inoi R7, Xperia X, Xperia XA2, Nokia 3110, watch(es), Inoi tablet, Gemini PDA... Did I miss something? That would still leave a couple spots for additional devices.14:21
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phlixi_oaqua14:24
phlixi_oturing14:25
Kabouik_Erm, yeah you're right, Intex != Jolla C, and Turing was somewhat official.14:25
phlixi_oespecially if some marketing guy has to count the devices :D14:26
Kabouik_Still, marketing guys said "over a dozen" actually. I can grasp to my hopes forever. :P14:26
phlixi_o^^14:27
phlixi_oaccording to comments on blog.jolla.com x compact works great14:27
Kabouik_Yeah but it's a community port, if Anbox was functional I would definitely go for one14:27
phlixi_obut i have no idea how to get android uspport on it. i guess its possible somehow14:28
Kabouik_James Noori said here (https://blog.jolla.com/sailfish-x-whats-next/) that they have decided on "the" next SFX device, and that it's "one" of the latest generation devices. Guessing he was referring to the XA2.14:30
r0kk3rzit is14:30
malKabouik_: maybe they also include the south american devices they have been working on, you skipped those14:34
Kabouik_I don't know about them14:34
malthey have mentioned the south american things in previous blog posts14:36
Kabouik_Oh, ok, to be honest I have not followed their blog14:36
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Kabouik_Then I'll still focus on the "over" of "over a dozen". :D14:36
maleven 13 would be over a dozen14:40
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Kabouik_I know, I'm just kidding, but I do know 13 is more realistic than 300 (which is over a dozen too).14:40
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phlixi_ona14:42
phlixi_oover a dozen is only 13-2314:42
phlixi_othen its multiple dozen14:43
Kabouik_You're being pessimistic to make me sad.14:43
phlixi_oiidk english, "dozens"?14:43
r0kk3rzover 9000!14:44
Kabouik_Better.14:44
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inzDoes over 9000! mean over 8.1e31681?20:14
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