#jollamobile log for Monday, 2018-11-19

tiwakeis there an ad blocker for the sailfishOS web browser?01:31
coderushosts06:47
Teguweird, the sailfish update downloads super slowly and the speed drops to zero often09:28
Teguthere are brief moments where it's faster but the it falls back to 0 or something like <100 kBps09:28
Teguoften <50 kBps09:29
r0kk3rzi find it goes significantly quicker if you keep the screen on09:34
Tegureally? I'll disable automatic screen closing then09:35
r0kk3rzi suspect its dutifully going to sleep09:38
phlixi_oa few days after the release (so not during the first rush!) i did the update on the Jolla1 and the JC, and the download took several hours09:39
malsome devices do slow down network a lot if device decides to suspend09:39
phlixi_oonce i located my tablet, i will check whether the download is faster if i keep the display on09:40
phlixi_oi thought its just abysmal servers09:40
phlixi_oi can not remember any earlier updates took that long to download09:41
malfor me update downloads haven't been very slow09:41
TeguI just upgraded to Mouhijoki and it downloaded very slowly as well09:43
Tegu(that is, from 2.1.4 to 2.2.0. looks like Nurmonjoki 2.2.1 was skipped now as it is downloading 3.0.0)09:44
Teguhad to upgrade on command line with these instructions, btw  https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360005795474-Installing-an-OS-update-fails-download-worked-09:45
Tegu3.0 is installing and at least now it seems to upgrade normally (so far) as the progress bar is visibble and keeps growing10:04
Tegusuccess \o/10:34
Teguweird, FingerTerm has vibration on keypress now although I have it disabled in ~/.config/Fingerterm/settings.ini   (keyPressFeedback=false)10:40
inzTegu, https://git.merproject.org/mer-core/fingerterm/commit/5d2464cbb9fd91efb795df86d276dd56471fd5ce ?10:50
Teguinz: oh thanks! that was it. just had to change Press to Release11:16
Teguinteresting. Gecko in sailfish browser is still in version 3811:29
phlixi_ojolla gave up on the browser11:33
phlixi_othere was a heated discussion in the last meeting11:34
Nicd-oh?11:34
tadzikthis would've been fine if you could change the default browser11:34
phlixi_omerproject.org/meetings/mer-meeting/2018/mer-meeting.2018-11-15-09.00.log.html#l-4311:37
phlixi_oof course there is no official "we abandonned the browser", but to me its pretty obvious11:38
r0kk3rzthey didnt give up, they just asked for community participation on qtwebengine11:39
r0kk3rzwhich afaik, webengine is quite basic in the features it offers11:39
Teguhuh, fingerterm opens links in webcat11:39
r0kk3rzyou can set the xdg-opener thing11:40
phlixi_o[2018-11-15 10:09:00] <@Jaymzz> #info Jolla CEO hinted the community to help with the browser. That woulb be possible if the community can get access to the QtWebEngine builds of the customers. The community can build a browser around it and make it easier for Jolla to decide if they keep the Gecko browser or move to a Chromium based one.11:42
Nicd-if I'm reading that mer-meeting right, they took the browser thing up as a meeting point but didn't bother bringing anyone from Jolla's side that knows anything about the browser?11:42
phlixi_oNicd- the "info" has it all11:42
phlixi_oeverything is visible, but nothing can be seen, convoluted for "we do nothing"11:43
phlixi_oalso notice, that (not sure how it is exactly called) this gecko embedded thingy does no longer exist11:44
phlixi_oso an update is prettymuch a new browser11:44
Nicd-at least they can tick off the box "talk about browser with community" :P11:46
Nicd-without having to do anything, double win11:46
phlixi_oi am not sure, but afair the current browser is pretty much the only update the browser ever had since there very first release of sfos11:47
phlixi_oso it came in version x in 2013, and there one update, which was the version we have now11:48
Nicd-damn FF 38 is from 201511:48
phlixi_oand yes, there might have been some minor thingy inbetween, but they basically grabbed a snapshot of this embedded gecko thingy and ported it11:49
r0kk3rzthe gecko embedding api has been long dead11:50
phlixi_oonce for the first release, and once with the gecko 3811:50
phlixi_oyes, as i mentioned above11:50
r0kk3rzlonger than you seem to think11:50
phlixi_o[2018-11-19 12:44:06] <phlixi_o> also notice, that (not sure how it is exactly called) this gecko embedded thingy does no longer exist11:50
phlixi_ono11:50
phlixi_oits dead for ages11:51
phlixi_oi was actually quite surprised when the build the 38based sfos browser. it was dead back then already11:51
phlixi_oand also clear from the roadmaps that this has no future11:51
r0kk3rzits becoming harder the more internal work FF do yeah11:52
r0kk3rzqtwebengine will be limited, but maybe have more of a future11:52
phlixi_oi basically sqitched toi the firefox version from fdroid...11:52
r0kk3rzyeah same11:52
phlixi_oswitched*11:52
phlixi_o...fennec11:53
phlixi_oi wonder how long this will work, as AD is getting outdated11:53
phlixi_oFirefox Focus for example needs Android 5 at least11:53
phlixi_oi understand building a browser is a major effort (and maintaining it even more). from that i conclude: jolla has given up11:55
phlixi_oin german there is a saying for that, "den kopf in den sand stecken" (to put the head into the sand, like an ostrich)11:56
Teguand there should be a way to upgrade the browser in between OS updates12:04
r0kk3rzsure, its just an app12:05
phlixi_owell12:13
phlixi_oan update with every os update would be so much better than the current state (basically the browser wont get any more updates ever, besides maybe some tiny hack, but no update of the engine), and even in an alternate reality where the browser would be updated with every os update... even then i would argue, that a system webview etc, is aktually a litle bit more than just a normal app12:15
phlixi_obut in this theoretical dream reality, sure, there should be frequent updates^^12:16
phlixi_o...but in this dream dimension, there also would be an os update every month, so for convinience, the update would be alinged, like ms patchday :)12:17
caitlinbut less deleting your homedir?12:43
phlixi_olol13:08
phlixi_oto be fair, that happens with upgrade, not patchday13:09
phlixi_oalso my custom ambience is gone, so there you have the analogon :D13:11
Teguhmm, I cannot ping anymore as it says "permission denied". let's have a little look on the changelogs14:57
Teguthis came in 2.2.0 but I only stayed on it for a short while waiting for 3.0 download14:58
coderusPermissions restricted15:09
Teguinteresting. I didn't even know that it's possible to restrict pinging (and traceroute as well, it seems). that's definitely good to keep in mind15:36
jkthi there, I just bought and flashed an XA2, and it mostly works so far, so I wanted to say thank you :)17:30
jktthere's one glitch, my caldav & carddav servers are using CACert17:30
jktis there a way to add these to the systemwide cert store?17:31
Nicd-can it use letsencrypt instead?17:40
jktNicd-: it's on RHEL6, and letsencrypt is kinda painful to get working there17:44
Nicd-how so?17:45
jktanyway, https://together.jolla.com/question/2949/where-can-i-add-a-system-ca-certificate/ did the trick (I tried it in another dir before, my bad)17:45
jktNicd-: old python and certbot did not play together that well when I tried to deploy it17:46
Nicd-I use acme.sh: https://github.com/Neilpang/acme.sh17:46
Nicd-it runs in bash17:46
ender|i use dehydrated for let's encrypt - it's also a bash script: https://github.com/lukas2511/dehydrated17:48
jktbtw, opening http://lupa.cz/ appears to OOM the browser here17:48
jktis there a way around that?17:48
pahartikjkt: 'user_pref("permissions.default.image", 2);' and 'user_pref("javascript.enabled", false);', browser did not crash on my "Sailfish X"17:57
jktpahartik: that's saying that you have image loading disabled and JS disabled, is that right?18:00
pahartikjkt: Correct18:01
Nicd-hehe, what a solution18:01
pahartikNicd-: On workstation browsers I have same default settings, but there is either plug-in ("Firefox") or built-in ("Chromium") support for whitelist per site18:15
Nicd-I find that too limiting. I have uMatrix to block 3rd party content but allow 1st party18:16
Nicd-then I tweak per site if needed18:16
jkthmm, that /etc/pki/tls/certs/ thing appears to *override* the systemwide CA store18:18
jktthat's not really something that I want18:18
aalmiHi19:59
aalmiany help here?19:59
aalmiI'm trying to install Sailfish3 to my XA2 but for some reason fastboot fails20:00
sebsebsebhi20:05
sebsebsebsledges: ping20:05
EYeA)01!@20:31
EYeAhi all20:32
EYeAjust upgraded to Sailfish 320:32
EYeAon.Jolla20:32
abransonEYeA: you can't just stop with a )01!@. where's the rest?20:40
EYeA)01!@ jolla )0h20:42
abranson\o/20:42
mornfalli never understood what that's supposed to mean :p20:43
EYeAJolla20:44
EYeAYoh20:44
mornfallwhich means? :)20:45
r0kk3rzits EYeAs call card20:45
EYeAmy irc tag line20:52
teeteri can't get over that the double l is diffferent characters lol21:35

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