#jollamobile log for Wednesday, 2018-11-21

Jopels09:42
Nicd-ll09:44
Oni^Kabouik: try use 00 instead of +09:47
abransonKabouik: I think it would be a good idea to install the ofono logger from the store and see what's going on when you try to make those calls. it's not normal behaviour.10:47
abransoncould be a weird interaction between ofono and your sim10:48
sebsebsebare any of the actual Jolla staff around ?11:47
r0kk3rzsebsebseb: what do you need?11:57
sebsebsebr0kk3rz: this stupid jolla form is uh !12:17
sebsebsebr0kk3rz: I want Salifish X, but with my refund money they still owe me :)12:17
sebsebsebr0kk3rz: I am doing an event on Satudray, would be nice to have it on my phone by then, but its looking like no probably not again12:18
r0kk3rzah ok, best to open a support ticket about that i think12:23
pketosebsebseb: what's the problem?12:28
pketosebsebseb: did you open ticket at https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/requests/new ?12:29
sebsebsebpketo: no I  got to get an account i think that's one thing12:30
sebsebsebpketo: then getting a imei off a phone is annoying12:31
Jopeisn't that visible in the settings12:32
Jope*#06# in the dialer?12:32
sebsebsebJope: its still on Android !12:33
sebsebsebwhat's the problem !12:33
sebsebsebmy phone is still on Android12:33
sebsebsebI want to put Salifish X on t12:33
sebsebsebit12:33
sebsebsebbut also not have to pay for it !12:33
tadzikwell, it does have a dialer, doesn't it? ;)12:33
sebsebsebthey owe me still money for tablet i never got12:33
pketosebsebseb: I think the imei is not necessary in your case, if the field is required just put something in that12:33
tadzikyou can always put the free sfx first12:33
sebsebsebi only got round one12:33
tadzikand then upgrade it to the proper one12:33
sebsebsebtadzik: I did think of that, maybe putting the free version on12:33
sebsebsebthat's just a trial though ?12:33
sebsebsebalso that's new having that ?12:33
tadziksebsebseb: well, I think it's a trial as in "the free stuff is in there, the paid is not", but forever12:34
tadzikit's a bit of a misnomer12:34
sebsebsebyeah looked like a cut down version12:34
tadzikand I think it's quite new, yes12:34
sebsebseba demo12:34
tadzikindeed12:34
sebsebseba cut down vversion12:34
sebsebsebpay if you want additional features such as Andriod12:34
r0kk3rznot *that* cut down12:35
sebsebsebJolla is really doing stuff like propritary software !12:35
r0kk3rzbasically what you get with community edition12:35
r0kk3rzsebsebseb: jolla has been doing proprietary software since the beginning, this isnt new12:35
sebsebsebbut the GUI really is propritary software anyway :D12:35
sebsebsebclosed source12:35
sebsebsebr0kk3rz: yeah but  Salifish is mostly open source, except for the GUI right ?12:36
r0kk3rztheres lots of open source parts, for sure12:36
* sebsebseb might have to re flash with the trial/demo before Saturday if possible12:36
sebsebsebthen12:36
sebsebsebsince ideally I want some kind of salifhs os on my phone by then12:37
sebsebsebI am doing this again :)12:37
sebsebsebhttp://facebook.com/LPDBristolUK12:37
sebsebsebyes look at that :)   or if anyone has a total facebook fobia here, but it's working for gettng people in,  http://linux-presentation-day.org.uk well go to that anyway12:37
r0kk3rzsledges: ^^12:38
r0kk3rzyou should really get some swag for it, give some stickers away or something :)12:38
sebsebsebalso I didn't get any device  on it with Salifish  2, so  i won't really know the difference between 2 and 312:38
sebsebsebr0kk3rz: yes I treid contacting sledges  last time with no response12:38
sebsebsebr0kk3rz: and I tried to ping him here yesterday12:39
sebsebsebwe did actaully have him at our first LPD in 2016 though :)12:39
sebsebsebbut yes sledges you availalbe this Saturday :) ?12:39
sebsebsebping12:39
r0kk3rzsledges is often quite busy :(12:40
sebsebsebr0kk3rz: he was showing some devices, and gving away swag at our first one, it was good12:40
sebsebsebr0kk3rz: some other guy should be turning up at 4pm,  or about, with some device he put salifish os on :) well hopefully :)12:40
sebsebsebanyway if I put  the trial/demo on12:41
sebsebsebI can  upgrade it later, once given proper access ?12:41
sebsebsebis it just a code or something ?12:41
sebsebseblike yep Propritary software12:41
pketosebsebseb: yes12:41
r0kk3rzsebsebseb: its basically just some extra packages you install12:41
sebsebsebso there's probably a way to illegally crack it too,  gettng extra's for free :)12:41
sebsebseblike the old days h eh,  I only did that to one program, or  did I h a ha12:42
sebsebsebpiracy is bad !]12:42
r0kk3rzprobably, but jolla wont continue support if nobody pays12:42
sebsebsebyeah even if I get form filled in today12:43
sebsebsebthey may not get untill at least tommoorw12:43
sebsebseband yeah it could take a while to get a response12:43
sebsebsebbut having the demo on would be a start !  I will probably be mostly pumping ubports anyway :D12:43
r0kk3rzim sure pketo can poke someone12:43
sebsebsebpketo works for Jolla ?12:44
pketosebsebseb: yes :)12:44
sebsebseboh yeah what's a good app for well backing up saving my android texts and such ?12:44
Jopesebsebseb, *#06# in the dialer is part of the GSM spec or something old like that. should work in almost any cellphone that does gsm12:48
Jopealso android12:49
Jopeand the imei is also buried inside the settings in android..12:49
sebsebsebJope: yeah I know can get a imei in android12:49
Jopegreat12:49
sebsebseblooks like i may not need to though12:49
sebsebsebJope: but what's a good app for backing up saving android texts and such ?12:49
JopeI'm the wrong guy. I don't bring anything else to a new device apart from my custom ringtones.. everything else comes from the cloud basically12:50
Jopesmses are disposable12:50
Jopeif I need something there for keeps, I copy it to something that keeps stuff12:50
Jopesorry.12:50
sebsebsebJope: yeah  I guess only some of my texts are useful12:51
sebsebsebfrom when I factry reset it12:52
sebsebsebso I guess i used something before12:52
Jopethere are tools to export them, but it's been such a long time.. the last phone I did where stuff had to be kept was for my wife. sony android -> sony android, so the built in tools just magically worked12:52
sebsebsebso is Salifish X  now Salfisih 3 as well or ?13:01
sebsebsebr0kk3rz: Jope  looks like pketo  hes helped out on the Jolla end :),  so I can look into re flashing later or whenever I am gong to do it13:03
r0kk3rzsebsebseb: just call it sailfish os13:05
sebsebsebr0kk3rz: is it version 3 ?13:07
r0kk3rz3.0.0.8 is the current version, sure13:08
sebsebsebby the way tablet yeah hmm, that most of us didn't get the jolla tablet, but then some of us also got caught out on this:  https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/youyota-sailfish-os-2-in-1-tablet#/13:09
sebsebsebthat would have been a nice device13:09
sebsebsebyes I did crowd fund that, so I lost my money on that one it seems !13:09
sebsebseboh and the vega plus I won't be getting as well it seems13:10
sebsebsebr0kk3rz: what's the difference betwen 2 and 3 ?13:11
r0kk3rzthe planet gemini seems like a cool thing13:11
r0kk3rzsebsebseb: +1?13:11
sebsebsebI didn't really  get a chance to play with 213:11
sebsebsebwhat you mean +1 ?13:11
sebsebsebI meant salifsh 2 and 313:11
r0kk3rzthe difference between 2 and 3...13:12
sebsebsebyes  salifish 2 and 313:12
sebsebseband  the planet gemmi wats' that, got a link ?13:13
sebsebseboh and off topic, but who likes slack here :d ?13:13
r0kk3rzidk there were like 15 updates between 2.0 and 3.0, so probably lots13:14
sebsebsebr0kk3rz: what do you see that's diffent ?13:14
r0kk3rzstuff13:14
sebsebsebyeah going from 1.0 a old version on a jolla phone13:14
sebsebsebto 3.013:14
sebsebsebis probably going to look quite differnet13:15
sebsebseband my Jolla phone is havng some hardware issues now a bit or something13:15
sebsebsebcan't remember quite,13:15
sebsebsebso  probably wont' take that on s aturday with me13:15
sebsebsebI got a load of other phones and devices and waht not to take with13:15
Nicd-the Youyota was never shipped?13:17
sebsebsebNicd-: indeed13:17
r0kk3rznope13:17
Nicd-color me surprised13:17
r0kk3rzit died a tragic death13:17
Nicd-:P13:17
sebsebsebr0kk3rz: or the guy went off with money ?13:17
sebsebsebNicd-: oh as in you thought it woudn't happen ?13:18
r0kk3rznah, pretty sure all the money got spent13:18
sebsebsebthey  didn't have enough extra   ?13:18
r0kk3rzyeah13:18
Nicd-sebsebseb: never believed in it13:19
abransonsebsebseb: which device are you trying to get sailfish x on?13:19
sebsebsebwhere as with this one13:19
sebsebsebthey may have just gone off with money13:19
sebsebsebhttps://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-sinclair-zx-spectrum-vega-plus-console#/13:19
sebsebsebso many people annoyed about that13:19
sebsebsebin the comments13:19
sebsebsebI only crowd funded that one, thinking it would be something, different and fun13:20
sebsebsebbut yep seems lost money on that one too13:20
Nicd-how much money have you lost so far?13:20
sebsebseband I had one more I had issues with early on too,  since the guy got stupid with me, and never sent anything out when I was like oh I was thinking of getting patron maybe in a email, and it all started off13:20
sebsebsebNicd-: not sure only on three campaings13:20
sebsebsebout of about hmm13:20
r0kk3rzsebsebseb: btw https://store.planetcom.co.uk/products/gemini-pda-113:21
sebsebsebten maybe?  inclduing the linux voice magazine, everything else been actasul tech13:21
r0kk3rzthats an actual product, not a kickstarter13:21
Nicd-I don't crowdfund at all, but I do read r/shittykickstarters13:21
sebsebseband ten being both indiegogo and kickstarter13:21
Nicd-it's a goldmine13:21
abransonr0kk3rz: but if you want a kickstarter, then the Cosmo one is still going!13:21
sebsebsebNicd-: what you mean gold mine ?13:21
Nicd-goldmine of shitty and mismanaged projects13:21
r0kk3rzcomedy goldmine13:22
sebsebsebI  have crowd funded a bit,  but don't really have money to do it with as such, and much more so now, now that got real bills et13:22
Nicd-to be fair I did not believe in Gemini either and they got it shipped, that's cool13:22
sebsebsebI pay all the bils myself now, since got a own flat13:22
sebsebsebthat wasn't the case before13:22
sebsebsebI  get some discounts etc too actsually since...  but even so13:22
sebsebsebNicd-: its a bit hit and miss13:24
sebsebsebcrowd funding13:24
sebsebsebr0kk3rz: would have bbeen good if yougta put up an update13:24
sebsebsebsorry we spent all the cash on ....13:24
sebsebsebit didn't work out13:24
sebsebsebthis is crowd funding13:24
sebsebsebthey would get flammed in comments maybe, but so be it13:25
abransonI think when people find themselves in such sticky legal situations, they say as little as possible to avoid extra liability13:25
sebsebsebabranson: yeah vega plus being all quite too13:26
abransonbut anyway, is your sfos x request for the Xperia X or the XA2? because it's not out for the XA2 yet, so you might as well just use the free image if you want it on one of those.13:27
malNicd-: gemini was suprisingly on time13:27
sebsebsebr0kk3rz:  mal  yes gemmi was  crowd funded oringally i think ?13:27
malwell almost on time, compared to most crowdfunding projects13:27
sebsebsebalso that's expensive13:27
sebsebseband I got gpd win and gpd pocket  and yeah anyway13:28
sebsebsebnot sure why GPD keep on going back to indeigoo13:28
sebsebsebdespite delivering a lot of successful projects like that already13:28
sebsebsebwith millions in cash13:28
r0kk3rzthe up front cost is probably too prohibitive13:29
r0kk3rzand, if people keep throwing in their money, why not?13:29
sebsebsebtoo risky you mean, or to much ?13:29
r0kk3rzboth13:29
sebsebsebabranson: yes  I  will be re flashing my sony xperia x, and pketo helped with the refund thing :)13:30
sebsebseboh and  you jolla staff too or ?13:30
abransonyep13:30
sebsebsebakaWolf: what's the xa2 another  sony device ?13:31
sebsebsebfor abranson13:31
abransonyes. the new one to be supported by sailfish x13:31
sebsebseboh right13:31
sebsebsebwhen was that released13:31
sebsebsebas in the hardware ?13:31
sebsebsebthe device13:31
abransonlast year I think?13:32
abransonhttps://blog.jolla.com/new-sailfish-x-support-xperia-xa2-variants-free-trial/13:32
sebsebsebbut the xperia x is like three years old isn't it ?13:32
sebsebsebthe device ?13:32
abransonthe sailfish image was just recently13:32
abransonwhich is why I thought you might mean that one13:32
sebsebsebno I just hadn't done it  yet on the xpeira x13:32
sebsebsebit's been on android for way longer than intended in a way for various reasons13:32
abransonoh this year. xa2 was released in feb of this year.13:33
sebsebsebincluding not having the refund voucher access thing, but now I do :)13:33
sebsebsebbut the xperia x is like three years old I think ?13:33
sebsebsebpeople think I got way too many smart phones :) I am like popey it seems :D13:33
* sebsebseb my next phone will be the libre m i guess, but not paid for that yet13:34
sebsebsebalso there's a pine 64  kde pone coming out, being worked on, so would like that too :)13:34
* sebsebseb is interested in oses :) differnet osees13:34
sebsebsebwell not Windows :D13:34
inte[m]I only wonder for when VoLTE/VoWiFi support is scheduled?13:35
inte[m]Was said to be introduced with sfos313:36
sebsebsebinte[m]: whats that ?13:36
sebsebseboh a new wirelss thing13:36
sebsebsebmobile data ?13:36
inte[m]Voice over LTE/WiFi?13:36
sebsebsebnot quite  sure  what that is but yeah13:36
inte[m]It is needed to make phone calls over LTE or WiFi networks13:37
sebsebseboh  ok13:37
sebsebsebthought something like  that13:37
inte[m]When there is no 3G/GSM coverage available but only LTE and/or WiFi13:38
sebsebseboh ok13:38
sebsebsebthat makes sense13:38
inte[m]Quite a standard feature for years... :-)13:39
inte[m]At least VoLTE, guess it was introduced around 1413:39
r0kk3rzwhenever they get around to it13:39
inte[m]At least it made its way into the announcement...13:40
inte[m]Maybe there was a further statement, e.g. in the channel meeting?13:41
r0kk3rznope13:41
inte[m]OK thx13:41
inte[m]Just asking13:41
inte[m]If anyone has a current status update on that, be welcome :)13:42
r0kk3rzthere was lots of things on the sfos 3 announcement that have yet to materialise13:42
henkthe little sms preview popup shows the mTANs used for logging into e-banking and such.  the phone being locked becomes more or less irrelevant for security.  can that preview be switched off?17:21
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