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| faenil | eh...I THOUGHT adsl issues were gone... :/ | 08:33 |
|---|---|---|
| faenil | moaning | 08:33 |
| Ali_ | Hey...! | 08:33 |
| faenil | yo | 08:33 |
| faenil | 2.6dB SNR margin downstream right now... | 08:34 |
| faenil | very nice | 08:34 |
| faenil | thank god dear DG834 can keep up with it...as long as it doesn't hit 1 or 0.. | 08:34 |
| Ali_ | faenil, maybe you're directly the right person to get rid of some questions... | 08:34 |
| faenil | ask away | 08:35 |
| Ali_ | I followed your tutorial to get a wayland VM image for i486 | 08:35 |
| Ali_ | better: I tried. | 08:35 |
| Ali_ | I have one issue with the replacement of repo.pub.meego.com | 08:36 |
| faenil | ah great :) | 08:36 |
| faenil | which issue | 08:36 |
| Ali_ | As I am behind a proxy, changing etc/hosts doesn't work... | 08:36 |
| Ali_ | Any other idea how to get this working? | 08:36 |
| faenil | mmm | 08:37 |
| faenil | it's strange that there hasn't been an update to the sdk fixing that yet | 08:37 |
| faenil | lbt, ^ | 08:37 |
| faenil | Ali_, it's an issue with mer sdk not updating correctly right? | 08:38 |
| Ali_ | you mean: maybe it is fixed and I don't need the hosts entry anymore? | 08:38 |
| faenil | well, have you tried without it? :D | 08:38 |
| Ali_ | hm, honestly, no ;-) | 08:38 |
| Ali_ | (strictly followed the wiki) | 08:38 |
| faenil | :) | 08:38 |
| Ali_ | I'll try it... | 08:38 |
| faenil | yeah I should move that to a "Troubleshooting" section | 08:39 |
| faenil | let me know if it works without it ;) | 08:39 |
| faenil | wait a moment though | 08:39 |
| faenil | zypper ar adds a meego repo again | 08:39 |
| faenil | I don't think I added that | 08:39 |
| faenil | mm yes I did | 08:41 |
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| Ali_ | feanil, yes, at zypper ar ... mer-tools --> here I get problems | 08:42 |
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| faenil | Ali_, write the output of "zypper repos -u" please | 08:42 |
| Ali_ | Just a moment - reinstalling the SDK... | 08:44 |
| faenil | ah ok | 08:45 |
| faenil | also make sure you have it updated | 08:45 |
| faenil | sudo sdk-version --latest --go | 08:46 |
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| Ali_ | faenil, result of "zypper repos -u" : http://textsnip.com/mg8crm | 08:50 |
| faenil | slaine, ping | 08:50 |
| slaine | Again, seriously | 08:50 |
| slaine | lol | 08:50 |
| faenil | slaine, holy f*** XD I owe you a beer bro | 08:50 |
| slaine | several at this point ;) | 08:51 |
| faenil | yeah, yeah | 08:51 |
| faenil | though you're always active aren't you :D | 08:51 |
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| faenil | Ali_, mmm ok let me think | 08:52 |
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| faenil | sledges, | 08:55 |
| faenil | Ali_, zypper rr mer-tools | 09:02 |
| faenil | and zypper rr mer-tools-debuginfo | 09:02 |
| faenil | Ali_, done? | 09:04 |
| Ali_ | faenil, yes | 09:06 |
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| faenil | argh | 09:08 |
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| faenil | Ali_, zypper ar http://repo.merproject.org/releases/mer-tools/rolling/builds/i486/packages/ mer-tools | 09:09 |
| faenil | Ali_, zypper ar http://repo.merproject.org/releases/mer-tools/rolling/builds/i486/debug mer-tools-debuginfo | 09:09 |
| faenil | delete the final slash on packages | 09:09 |
| Ali_ | in first command? | 09:10 |
| Ali_ | ok... | 09:10 |
| faenil | sorry :D | 09:10 |
| Ali_ | done | 09:10 |
| Ali_ | now follow the documented steps? | 09:11 |
| faenil | now zypper ref | 09:11 |
| faenil | then paste the output of repos -u again | 09:11 |
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| faenil | Ali_, ? | 09:21 |
| sledges | faenil, pong | 09:25 |
| faenil | sledges, I wanted to update submodule of qtquickcontrols to latest stable branch | 09:26 |
| faenil | though I'm trying to compile it, and it doesn't compile...I think Qt we have in Mer isn't fresh enough :/ | 09:26 |
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| Ali_ | faenil, sorry, had to change settings beacuse of reinstallation of SDK (env_keep was missing...) | 09:27 |
| Ali_ | here the output: http://textsnip.com/h14w6r | 09:27 |
| faenil | Ali_, zypper mr -d 6 | 09:28 |
| sledges | faenil, qtquickcontrols version is the same as qt's | 09:29 |
| sledges | so they should match | 09:29 |
| sledges | imo | 09:29 |
| Ali_ | faenil, result is: Repository 'mer-tools-debuginfo' has been successfully disabled. | 09:29 |
| faenil | ok | 09:29 |
| faenil | sledges, it seems we don't have this https://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qtbase/commit/9dfe4b0e683d706400a2e929a8de97df64ca172e/diffs | 09:30 |
| faenil | Ali_, ok now you should be able to follow the guide | 09:30 |
| faenil | starting from sudo zypper install syslinux-extlinux | 09:30 |
| faenil | nwards | 09:30 |
| Ali_ | faenil, I'll try. | 09:31 |
| Ali_ | Thanks so far :-) | 09:31 |
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| sledges | faenil, sure it's 5.1.1 version | 09:32 |
| sledges | we run 5.1.0 in mer:qt:devel | 09:33 |
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| faenil | sledges, yes, of course that's the problem | 09:37 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, when is the switch to 5.1.1 planned for? | 09:37 |
| Stskeeps | mm, i've been prepping it | 09:37 |
| faenil | sledges, I'll comment out the call to phase() and see if it compiles/works | 09:47 |
| faenil | Ali_, np, keep me updated ;) | 09:49 |
| sledges | faenil,thanks for sharing if you knew the problem ;) | 09:49 |
| faenil | error: 'TextureCanUseAtlas' is not a member of 'QQuickWindow' | 09:49 |
| faenil | argh :D | 09:49 |
| faenil | I guess I have to go back to old controls | 09:51 |
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| faenil | until we get Qt 5.1.1 :( | 09:51 |
| sledges | what's so newer? | 09:52 |
| faenil | repo structure is different | 09:52 |
| sledges | we should be glad we have qqc at all (with 5.1.0) | 09:52 |
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| sledges | ? again | 09:52 |
| faenil | yeah, they moved some private files and stuff like that | 09:52 |
| sledges | and tizen guys rebased already? | 09:53 |
| faenil | nope | 09:53 |
| faenil | they don't need to rebase | 09:53 |
| sledges | so what's the fuss? | 09:53 |
| sledges | i.e. why are you so rushing | 09:53 |
| faenil | we need it because I'm using original style files atm | 09:53 |
| faenil | while they have their own | 09:53 |
| sledges | could you please explain more in detail? | 09:55 |
| faenil | yes, just a bit lazy :D | 09:56 |
| faenil | so, in QQC you either provide all the style files or you provide none | 09:56 |
| faenil | since we don't have our own style files at the moment | 09:56 |
| faenil | I'm copying original ones, which we'll modify one by one | 09:57 |
| faenil | but the new style files rely on the new controls, which rely on Qt5.1.1 | 09:57 |
| sledges | so for now you will stick with 5.1.0 style files? | 09:57 |
| sledges | sad there is no inheritance | 09:58 |
| faenil | yep, where there is no Switch, no BusyIndicator | 09:58 |
| sledges | right | 09:58 |
| sledges | oh well | 09:58 |
| sledges | :) | 09:58 |
| sledges | we can leave switch and BI for last ;) | 09:58 |
| sledges | and by that time 5.1.1 will be there :D | 09:58 |
| faenil | :) | 09:58 |
| faenil | I was thinking about patching the original one to use a fallback style, in case the files of the choosen styles are not available | 09:59 |
| faenil | also, there is https://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qtquickcontrols-tizen/source/fd66e35cc0b0f0d841d8aec46e85afd6ff89444e:tools/patches/qtquickcontrols/1_QT_QUICK_CONTROLS_STYLE.patch | 10:00 |
| sledges | ;) | 10:00 |
| sledges | nice | 10:00 |
| sledges | having fun then ;) | 10:01 |
| faenil | eh...I wanted to avoid all that and starting from latest build, but as it's not possible.. | 10:01 |
| sledges | but 5.1.1 doesn't offer style inheritance either :p | 10:03 |
| sledges | there will always be something nice in future versions.. | 10:03 |
| faenil | yes, and I want everything! :P | 10:03 |
| sledges | are you thinking of settling for 5.1.1 for the time being? | 10:03 |
| sledges | as it saves switch and BI | 10:04 |
| sledges | designs | 10:04 |
| sledges | so looks convenient | 10:04 |
| faenil | well, I'll go back to 5.1.0 | 10:04 |
| sledges | though one must weigh the effort | 10:04 |
| sledges | i know, i mean for the future | 10:04 |
| faenil | ah, don't know | 10:04 |
| faenil | that's not a problem | 10:04 |
| faenil | just update controls, I don't think they'll break nem ocomponents | 10:04 |
| faenil | if they do, we'll fix them | 10:05 |
| sledges | anyway, sometimes (and quite often) it's not possible to avoid stuffs, just bite the bitter pill &) | 10:05 |
| faenil | :D | 10:06 |
| alterego | Could you not pull in the 5.1.1 BI and switch bits? | 10:17 |
| alterego | I would have thought a Switch control at least would be quite a useful widget to have from the get go ;) | 10:18 |
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| alterego | Hmmm, | 10:25 |
| sledges | now all hopes that it's easily backportable and/or easy to DIY | 10:28 |
| * alterego wonders what's so specific about ti-omap3-sgx to warrant N9xx adaptation versioning. | 10:29 | |
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| sledges | alterego, N9-950 is OMAP3630, N900 is 3430 | 10:33 |
| sledges | not enough? :) | 10:34 |
| alterego | The SGX drivers work for both | 10:34 |
| sledges | right | 10:34 |
| sledges | oh well :) | 10:34 |
| alterego | The actual version is "N9xx" so I'm guessing it works for all of them, and it should work for all OMAP3 devices, like beagleboard. | 10:35 |
| alterego | But meh :) | 10:35 |
| sledges | isn't your statement an oxymoron? "wonders what's so -specific- about ti-omap3-sgx to -warrant- N9xx adaptation versioning" | 10:35 |
| sledges | :) | 10:36 |
| alterego | My point is, it's specific to OMAP3, not N9xx Nokia hardware ;) | 10:36 |
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| alterego | So I'm just wondering why it has Adaptation.N9xx in the version string :) | 10:37 |
| sledges | :) | 10:37 |
| sledges | got you | 10:37 |
| dm8tbr | alterego: well, we can't be sure if Nokia used some custom spins of those SoCs | 10:37 |
| dm8tbr | also they have been known to put custom hacks in their software | 10:37 |
| alterego | dm8tbr: yeah, that makes sense. | 10:38 |
| sledges | let alone camera firmware closed blobs... | 10:38 |
| alterego | I was wondering if it was some kind of memory mapping, or possible hardcoded display crap. | 10:38 |
| dm8tbr | there is a pile of undocumented 'magic' in those SoCs | 10:38 |
| alterego | I hope nVidia open up their stuff a bit more, read a mildly positive article about them the other day. | 10:39 |
| dm8tbr | e.g. the camera interface probably goes through gpmc, but might use some undocumented functions | 10:40 |
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| alterego | Hmmm, | 10:40 |
| sledges | what's Jolla's GPU ? | 10:40 |
| alterego | Well, nevermind :) | 10:40 |
| sledges | some adren?.. | 10:41 |
| sledges | +o | 10:41 |
| alterego | It'll be whatever is in the Sanpdragon | 10:41 |
| alterego | So yeah, guessing Adreno | 10:42 |
| alterego | Which I've never heard of until now, but then I've never really looked at Qualcomm stuff before. | 10:42 |
| sledges | and i'm (positively) surprised that not many people were put off by Jolla choosing QC | 10:43 |
| sledges | since last AOSP main maintainer resignation due to QC being evil | 10:43 |
| sledges | but that's more #jollamobile topic :) | 10:44 |
| alterego | Well, it wasn't exactly planned ;) | 10:44 |
| sledges | QC is evil, but libhybris shows middle finger to them all :D | 10:44 |
| sledges | and that's the good about choosing Snapdragon | 10:44 |
| alterego | I wonder what chip it is they're using. Mention of Dual core 1.4Ghz But the only Dual core I see is 1.7Ghz (Snapdragon 400) | 10:45 |
| alterego | Maybe they're using an older chip. | 10:45 |
| sledges | if sailfish can run on N9 | 10:45 |
| sledges | why didn't they go to the low end chip | 10:45 |
| sledges | and invest money to LCD resolution instead.... | 10:45 |
| sledges | to keep the price at 399€ | 10:46 |
| alterego | I think Dual Core 1.4Ghz might be seen as being "low end" by modern smartphone standards. | 10:46 |
| sledges | i think more people are now offput by the absence of 786p rather than thinking about cores | 10:46 |
| alterego | Well, it's all a weighing up of volumes really. They have an idea or target of how many devices they want to initially ship and have to account for that costing. | 10:46 |
| alterego | Sure, the extra resolution would be nice, but on the other hand, I don't really care when we're talking about a device that fits in my pocket, I have a tablet for higher res. | 10:47 |
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| sledges | that's your thinking, mine too | 10:47 |
| sledges | but most people around me go: "OMG I SEE PIXELS!!!" :D | 10:47 |
| alterego | They don't care about seeing them, they just care about the numbers on the box the phone comes in :P | 10:49 |
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| alterego | I'd imagine it's this rather mundane opinion that everything has to have a higher spec than an iPhone. | 10:49 |
| faenil | I don't think N9 cpu would be enough to keep up with sailfish decently | 10:50 |
| alterego | I had an interesting coversation with my GF about how she's been institutionalized by Apple. | 10:50 |
| alterego | She thinks, because it's "too much effort to setup other services" and all her stuff is in iTunes/Cloud/Whatever, she can justify spending the money on buying a new iPhone, even though she's lost the past three in less than a year .. | 10:51 |
| alterego | Rather than get angry I just shrugged and said, "meh". :) | 10:52 |
| sledges | faenil, I'm talking about the number of people Jolla lost due to qHD | 10:52 |
| alterego | She seems to like the N9 I lent her though. | 10:52 |
| faenil | mmm zypper dup wants to install llvmpipe... | 10:52 |
| faenil | sledges, I think it would have lost more if sporting a single core CP | 10:52 |
| faenil | CPU | 10:52 |
| sledges | but they don't know that sailfish can run on slightly-less lower end chipset | 10:53 |
| sledges | meanwhile higher res -does- make visual difference when demoing it to the friends | 10:53 |
| alterego | I think really, when it comes down to it, this is their first phone. You can't judge too heavily and I imagine most preorders are early adopters who are more passionate about what the company is doing, rather than the specs of the device. | 10:54 |
| sledges | so im talking also about the looks when you have your jolla phone and spread the word | 10:54 |
| faenil | don't agree :) | 10:54 |
| faenil | yeah that is true | 10:54 |
| faenil | but you have to get to that point first | 10:54 |
| alterego | In the future, I'm sure they'll be bringing out premium highend hardware to be more competitive with the major players. | 10:54 |
| faenil | and if you have single core, you probably won't even reach that point :P | 10:54 |
| alterego | I think right now, I'd be slightly more paranoid about MS buying Nokia ... | 10:54 |
| Ali_ | faenil, I'm back with rather bad news ;-/ | 10:54 |
| faenil | Ali_, awesome, I love bad news | 10:54 |
| Ali_ | :-) | 10:55 |
| faenil | bring it on | 10:55 |
| Ali_ | the image doesn't work. | 10:55 |
| alterego | lol | 10:55 |
| Ali_ | got some info during mic | 10:55 |
| faenil | like what | 10:55 |
| sledges | ah, alterego you're not on #jollamobile :P we could continue there | 10:55 |
| faenil | sledges, did you ever try touch gallery of qqc on n950? | 10:55 |
| Ali_ | http://textsnip.com/e9k4zu | 10:55 |
| sledges | faenil, i havent got 950, and my n9 is under life support atm | 10:56 |
| Ali_ | Any idea...? | 10:56 |
| faenil | Ali_, there's a chance that can be ignored | 10:56 |
| faenil | what problem do you have when running the image? | 10:56 |
| Ali_ | I see... nothing ;-) | 10:56 |
| Ali_ | Grey background in VirtualBox | 10:56 |
| faenil | sledges, ok, so: qqc gallery shows portrait when phone is in landscape | 10:56 |
| Ali_ | nothing happens... | 10:57 |
| faenil | as it doesn't have any kind of orientation support it seems :/ | 10:57 |
| faenil | Ali_, have you done the customVideoMode command? | 10:57 |
| Ali_ | yeah. | 10:57 |
| faenil | can you ssh to it? | 10:57 |
| sledges | it's not tied in most probably, refer to nemo old qt5-qtcomponents src code | 10:57 |
| faenil | people are actively building vm images... | 10:58 |
| sledges | erm, qt4 :)) | 10:58 |
| Ali_ | try it... just a minute... | 10:58 |
| faenil | sledges, well those don't have it either, they just have code for the first orientation detection | 10:58 |
| faenil | this zypper dup problem has to be fixed | 11:02 |
| faenil | let's see what we can do | 11:02 |
| alterego | sledges: do you happen to know where the nemo wayland kickstart file is? | 11:14 |
| faenil | <faenil> jpnurmi, was wondering, is there any orientation handling in qqc, or planned? | 11:14 |
| faenil | <jpnurmi> faenil: nothing in place yet... i think the only work done in that area so far was tolszak's proof of concept | 11:14 |
| alterego | Ah, faenil yours is the latest? | 11:15 |
| faenil | yep | 11:15 |
| alterego | Thanks :) | 11:15 |
| faenil | np ;) | 11:15 |
| sledges | faenil, :{ | 11:16 |
| sledges | didn't expect that :) | 11:17 |
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| locusf | wow what a backlog | 11:44 |
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| locusf | it appears that I can do some glacier work on my masters thesis | 11:47 |
| Morpog_N9_____ | cool! | 11:47 |
| locusf | now if we could also adjust the usability for the entire UX as a main design point too, that would be excellent | 11:48 |
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| Morpog_N9_____ | well content roller is adjusted for usability | 11:50 |
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| locusf | okay | 11:59 |
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| faenil | lesson about to start...here we go again | 12:12 |
| faenil | sledges anyway orientation code is small stuff | 12:17 |
| faenil | w00t do you have any input on that? | 12:17 |
| sledges | that's why i thought i'd be in | 12:17 |
| sledges | +t | 12:17 |
| faenil | but it depends whether we want it to still be client dependent.. | 12:17 |
| sledges | eh? | 12:18 |
| sledges | :) | 12:18 |
| faenil | and jolla may have done some steps that way | 12:18 |
| faenil | (client independent) | 12:18 |
| sledges | is silica qqc? | 12:18 |
| faenil | don't think so | 12:19 |
| faenil | definitely not, I'd say | 12:22 |
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| Ali_ | Hey faenil, still motivated to solv my problem? :-P | 12:41 |
| faenil | I'm at uni, data mining lesson going on, but yeah ask away ;) | 12:42 |
| faenil | did you manage to ssh in? | 12:42 |
| sledges | Ali_, which version of .ks file did download and when, and when did you mic create the image ? | 12:42 |
| sledges | +you | 12:43 |
| Ali_ | When I created vdi file and created a VM, I see only grey screen of VBox | 12:43 |
| Ali_ | No, ssh not possible | 12:43 |
| faenil | what's thw problem with ssh? | 12:43 |
| Ali_ | https://raw.github.com/faenil/NemoWaylandKickstart/master/nemo-i486-vm-wayland.ks | 12:43 |
| Ali_ | that's the ks file. | 12:43 |
| faenil | have you opened the port via vbox settings? | 12:44 |
| Ali_ | ssh doesn't connect. | 12:44 |
| sledges | Ali_, you must tripple check it has your vm name in it 1:1: VBoxManage setextradata "YOUR_VM_NAME" CustomVideoMode1 "480x854x32" | 12:44 |
| Ali_ | Added Route for NAT : 22 on guest is 3022 on host | 12:44 |
| sledges | faenil, he's stuck in the kernel most probably | 12:44 |
| sledges | bootloader's grey screen so | 12:44 |
| faenil | port opened? | 12:45 |
| faenil | ok | 12:45 |
| Ali_ | sledges, i executed command several times (also with wrong VM name to get an error message... ;-)) | 12:45 |
| faenil | sledges I already asked him about the videomode | 12:45 |
| faenil | he said he did it | 12:45 |
| sledges | ok, I will rebuild it | 12:45 |
| sledges | because it's 1:1 video mode error by symptoms | 12:45 |
| sledges | but I might have broken something | 12:45 |
| sledges | via pattern | 12:46 |
| sledges | or there are new packages updates from mw/mer that break things | 12:46 |
| faenil | ok thanks | 12:46 |
| Ali_ | thanks also from me!1 | 12:46 |
| faenil | Ali_ sorry the ks was updated by sledges yesterday, I haven't tested it yet | 12:47 |
| Ali_ | no problem. | 12:47 |
| sledges | the .ks should be equiv, i tested its contents, anyway mic in progress | 12:48 |
| faenil | though I agree with sledges, it looks like videomode error to me | 12:48 |
| faenil | sledges yeah I don't think the problem is in the ks | 12:48 |
| Ali_ | found that in VM log - maybe it helps: | 12:49 |
| Ali_ | 00:00:03.487385 Guest Log: BIOS: Booting from Hard Disk... 00:00:03.560883 Display::handleDisplayResize(): uScreenId = 0, pvVRAM=0000000007be0000 w=640 h=480 bpp=24 cbLine=0x780, flags=0x1 00:00:04.075191 Guest Log: BIOS: KBD: unsupported int 16h function 03 | 12:49 |
| Ali_ | interesting: looks like VBOX command hasn't worked out, or? | 12:49 |
| sledges | Ali_, how to get that log) | 12:49 |
| sledges | ? | 12:49 |
| Ali_ | sledges,right-click onto vm in VBox Manager | 12:50 |
| Ali_ | "Show in file system" (or something like that...) | 12:50 |
| Ali_ | and there are the log files... | 12:51 |
| sledges | ok, checking them | 12:51 |
| sledges | that's right | 12:51 |
| sledges | mine is: | 12:51 |
| sledges | 00:00:07.186246 Display::handleDisplayResize(): uScreenId = 0, pvVRAM=00007f9efa7bb000 w=480 h=854 bpp=32 cbLine=0x780, flags=0x1 | 12:51 |
| sledges | ;P | 12:51 |
| sledges | how is your vm called? | 12:51 |
| sledges | any other vms with too similar names?) | 12:51 |
| Ali_ | NemoWayland_2 | 12:52 |
| Ali_ | That's the VM. | 12:52 |
| faenil | eheeh videomode | 12:52 |
| Ali_ | maybe the problem is that I'm connected remotely to vm. | 12:53 |
| sledges | heh | 12:53 |
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| Ali_ | heh? | 12:54 |
| sledges | open your .vbox file with editor Ali_ | 12:54 |
| sledges | and add <ExtraDataItem name="CustomVideoMode1" value="480x854x32"/> | 12:54 |
| sledges | between <ExtraData> | 12:54 |
| sledges | </ExtraData> | 12:54 |
| sledges | (create if they don't exist | 12:54 |
| sledges | (they are between <Machine> tags) | 12:54 |
| Ali_ | sledges, faenil, the entry is already there | 12:56 |
| * sledges gives up :{ | 12:56 | |
| sledges | never give up hehe, still launching own ks vm here.. | 12:59 |
| sledges | works fine here :( | 13:01 |
| Ali_ | sledges,faenil,I try it directly on machine anytime soon. | 13:01 |
| sledges | ok | 13:02 |
| Ali_ | Thanks so far for your help! | 13:02 |
| Ali_ | I'll come back when it doesn't help ;-) | 13:02 |
| sledges | did you change any settings? | 13:02 |
| sledges | i use vbox 4.2.12 | 13:02 |
| Ali_ | I sue 4.2.18 | 13:04 |
| sledges | good luck then and hope for good news | 13:05 |
| Ali_ | Hope so, too - thanks! | 13:05 |
| faenil | Ali_ does sailfish emulator work for you? | 13:05 |
| Ali_ | Haven't tried on VM... | 13:05 |
| sledges | it is vm on itself | 13:05 |
| Ali_ | will try that, too! That's a good idea. | 13:05 |
| sledges | install sdk | 13:05 |
| Ali_ | yea. | 13:05 |
| sledges | Ali_, quick recap for a laugh while my mind is fresh | 13:06 |
| sledges | * mic create raw | 13:06 |
| sledges | * vboxmanage convert to vdi | 13:06 |
| sledges | * vbox: create new vm, linux 2.6, 768MB ram, nemo.vdi | 13:07 |
| sledges | * vboxmanage setcustomvideomode | 13:07 |
| sledges | * launch | 13:07 |
| sledges | * works :) | 13:07 |
| sledges | (arch is i486 ofc) | 13:07 |
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| faenil | \o/ | 13:08 |
| sledges | faenil, you're a bit slow ;) 14:01 < sledges> works fine here :( | 13:08 |
| sledges | just checking with Ali_ if all was done and in right orde | 13:09 |
| faenil | I was just joking, following the steps ;) | 13:09 |
| sledges | ;P | 13:09 |
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| faenil | better | 13:13 |
| faenil | mm | 13:13 |
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| sledges | locusf: https://github.com/nemomobile/lipstick/commit/68269bd6d74d8ea34f756098fbc111a8cd017c5b | 13:19 |
| locusf | sledges: nice | 13:20 |
| faenil | useful :) | 13:20 |
| sledges | it's built now i gather | 13:20 |
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| locusf | yeah it sure is | 13:25 |
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| sledges | hour ago ;) | 13:28 |
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| locusf | yup | 13:31 |
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| faenil | lesson finished \o/ bbl | 13:41 |
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| sledges | :) | 13:43 |
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| giucam | hi | 13:46 |
| Stskeeps | lo giucam | 13:46 |
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| giucam | i'm trying to get started on the developing workflow for nemo | 13:46 |
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| giucam | i'm used to desktop developing in linux, but this is quite different | 13:47 |
| Morpog_N9_____ | stange, faenil is more active in here when he shouldn't be :D | 13:47 |
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| giucam | can anyone guide me? say i wanted to fix a bug in, say, lipsticks | 13:47 |
| giucam | i have the mersdk vm | 13:48 |
| Morpog_N9_____ | sledges, sage, faenil, locusf ^ | 13:48 |
| locusf | I got a remote lecture to watch bbl | 13:49 |
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| sledges | giucam, hello | 13:50 |
| sledges | clone the lipstick git repo | 13:50 |
| giucam | ok, in the host i guess? | 13:50 |
| sledges | yes | 13:50 |
| sledges | giucam, I was not going to say "there are many different ways to do it", but now I see I must :D | 13:52 |
| sledges | linux is all about choice ;) | 13:52 |
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| giucam | he :) | 13:52 |
| giucam | done | 13:52 |
| sledges | I have experience only with Mer Platform SDK (non-VM) | 13:52 |
| sledges | :( | 13:52 |
| giucam | ah | 13:52 |
| sledges | but | 13:52 |
| sledges | you'll need to make that repo you just cloned | 13:53 |
| sledges | accessible under mersdk | 13:53 |
| sledges | so in a VM, sorry ;) | 13:53 |
| giucam | well, it already is, since i have my home shared with the vm | 13:53 |
| sledges | perfecto! | 13:53 |
| sledges | now have you got a target setup? | 13:53 |
| sledges | (under /srv/mer/targets/) | 13:54 |
| giucam | yes | 13:54 |
| sledges | which is? | 13:54 |
| giucam | ok, wait. the vm setup guide told me to create that folder and add it as a shared folder for the vm, but i'm not even sure what a target is :) | 13:55 |
| sledges | also what device or VM do you actually have/want to run nemo ? | 13:55 |
| sledges | ok | 13:55 |
| sledges | so | 13:55 |
| sledges | let's answer my last | 13:55 |
| sledges | question first | 13:55 |
| sledges | :) | 13:55 |
| giucam | i have a x86 emulator | 13:56 |
| sledges | ok | 13:56 |
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| Sage | Morpog_N9_____: find issue, make patch upload to github fork of components x and make pull request :) | 13:56 |
| sledges | on virtualbox, running nemo image? | 13:56 |
| giucam | that is, anotrher vm | 13:56 |
| giucam | sailfish | 13:56 |
| sledges | ok | 13:57 |
| sledges | first things first, what do you want to play with? Nemo or Sailfish? | 13:57 |
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| giucam | well, sailfish actually | 13:58 |
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| sledges | so here's a channel for you: #sailfishos ;) | 13:59 |
| sledges | and i see you have sailfish SDK installed | 13:59 |
| sledges | it has QtCreator | 13:59 |
| sledges | you can import lipstick there, build, compile, execute and debug | 13:59 |
| sledges | find bug, make patch upload to github fork of components x and make pull request :) | 14:00 |
| sledges | ( Sage, giggles ) | 14:00 |
| giucam | sledges: ok, wait. let's rewind a bit. :) | 14:01 |
| giucam | let's leave sailfish out, sorry | 14:01 |
| sledges | right | 14:01 |
| giucam | so, is there a nemo vm emulator? | 14:02 |
| sledges | yes | 14:02 |
| sledges | instructions here how to build it yourself: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Wayland_Nemo_VM_Image | 14:02 |
| Sage | sledges: what? :) | 14:03 |
| giucam | ok, thank. i'll be back :) | 14:03 |
| sledges | Sage, i quoted you just a line above | 14:03 |
| sledges | giucam, not at all :) | 14:03 |
| giucam | uh? not at all what? | 14:04 |
| sledges | not at all = you're welcome | 14:04 |
| sledges | (di niente ;)) | 14:04 |
| giucam | ah :) | 14:04 |
| giucam | you're italian? | 14:05 |
| sledges | i speak some | 14:05 |
| sledges | awesome language :) | 14:05 |
| giucam | :) | 14:05 |
| * sledges afk talk later | 14:06 | |
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| jmlich | are there prebuild wayland images? | 14:14 |
| sledges | for n9-950 yes | 14:14 |
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| alterego | sledges: what's your definition of AFK? :P | 14:18 |
| sledges | :D | 14:20 |
| sledges | since I finally googled what it means only recently, until then i had many interpretations :D | 14:21 |
| alterego | Heh | 14:21 |
| sledges | which had nothing to do with its actual meaning | 14:21 |
| alterego | :) | 14:22 |
| alterego | git commit -s -a | 14:22 |
| alterego | Oh, whoops | 14:22 |
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| sledges | good, I like that command :D | 14:23 |
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| faenil | o/ | 14:58 |
| faenil | w00t, ping | 14:59 |
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| giucam | boy, the wayland vm image does look ugly ;) | 15:25 |
| faenil | :) | 15:26 |
| sledges | welcome to the dev world ;P | 15:26 |
| faenil | work on homescreen is stopped until we get components done ;) | 15:26 |
| sledges | which mesn yes, we need a lot of help :) | 15:26 |
| faenil | indeed :) | 15:26 |
| sledges | giucam, have you heard about Glacier ? | 15:26 |
| faenil | giucam, mind joining the dev? | 15:26 |
| giucam | sledges: i know i read that name somewhere but no, i don't know what it is. too much new information in too little time :) | 15:27 |
| giucam | faenil: well, i'm trying to get into it :) | 15:27 |
| faenil | great :) | 15:28 |
| sledges | giucam, i think you'll like it, it's future nemo UI we're working on: http://play.qwazix.com/grog/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/SystemUI.png | 15:28 |
| sledges | that's why wayland image is work-in-progress | 15:28 |
| giucam | mmh, looks cool | 15:29 |
| sledges | so hop aboard and let's make it happen ;) | 15:30 |
| giucam | i'm not a ui designer though, i'd rather work on the underlying parts :) | 15:30 |
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| sledges | we already got designers | 15:30 |
| faenil | no designer available here atm :D | 15:31 |
| sledges | and need people who'd rather work on the underlying parts :D | 15:31 |
| faenil | :D | 15:31 |
| locusf | lol :D | 15:31 |
| sledges | lol faenil :D | 15:31 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, you available? | 15:31 |
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| alterego | How many coders do you have working on it? | 15:34 |
| sledges | faenil, locusf, me | 15:34 |
| sledges | w00t and Sage helping out | 15:34 |
| alterego | More than enough :P | 15:34 |
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| sledges | :D in 3 years time maybe | 15:35 |
| faenil | :D | 15:35 |
| alterego | Heh | 15:35 |
| Ali__ | faenil, sledges, I wanted to say THANKS again, my nemo vm is starting now! | 15:35 |
| sledges | ask if they are full time workers :D | 15:35 |
| faenil | \o/ what was it? | 15:35 |
| sledges | \o/ | 15:35 |
| Ali__ | I don't really now. | 15:35 |
| alterego | sledges: I'm presuming you all are :P | 15:35 |
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| faenil | great, that's what I wanted to hear :) | 15:35 |
| alterego | Hah | 15:35 |
| sledges | alterego, i wish :)) | 15:35 |
| Ali__ | read the .vbox file of sailfish vm and created again. | 15:35 |
| alterego | I can't help but notice there's no Dialer app | 15:36 |
| Ali__ | now, it starts. SSHing is possible. | 15:36 |
| sledges | ok Ali__ , maybe some disk space/download/corruption/checksum issues | 15:36 |
| alterego | IS this for tablet only? :P | 15:36 |
| sledges | alterego, voicecall-ui | 15:36 |
| alterego | sledges: I know, I wrote it, I mean in the UX mockup | 15:36 |
| sledges | might need manual launching/bit-of-fixing | 15:36 |
| alterego | For Glacier. | 15:36 |
| Ali__ | sledges, maybe, maybe also some settings messed up... Don't know | 15:36 |
| sledges | alterego, got you :D | 15:36 |
| faenil | alterego, components specs are incomplete as well....little by little, as graphics guys have some spare time | 15:37 |
| alterego | Yeah, I would help, but I'm working on my own UI toolkit aswell in my spare time :( | 15:37 |
| faenil | oh, your own :) | 15:37 |
| alterego | Not QML :P | 15:38 |
| faenil | :D | 15:38 |
| alterego | I'll wait for you guys to finish yours, then I'll just hack it to work with my stuff :P | 15:38 |
| sledges | sly ;P | 15:38 |
| alterego | I'm working with HTML at the moment and QML, but the QML stuff hasn't really begun and I don't want to develop my own widgets :P | 15:39 |
| alterego | And the HTML/JS stuff is more useful for my purposes anyway. | 15:39 |
| sledges | alterego, not in the open? ;P | 15:39 |
| alterego | It will be. | 15:39 |
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| alterego | It's just not mature enough yet. | 15:39 |
| Ali__ | May I throw the next questions into the round :-)? | 15:40 |
| Ali__ | How to start up already ported apps on nemoWayland? | 15:40 |
| Ali__ | I can see boot screen, can ssh. Some tip how to get further? | 15:40 |
| alterego | Chinese, Pizza or Curry ... Hrm .. | 15:40 |
| sledges | alterego, italian! | 15:40 |
| alterego | damnit. | 15:40 |
| sledges | Ali__, can you not see the homescreen? | 15:41 |
| alterego | Ali__: I would help, but I've never really used VM | 15:41 |
| Ali__ | no, no homescreen so far. | 15:41 |
| sledges | Ali__, no good | 15:41 |
| sledges | :) | 15:41 |
| sledges | it has to be there | 15:41 |
| Ali__ | alterego, that's true for me, too ;-) | 15:41 |
| sledges | so you're stuck on blue nemo bootscreen? | 15:41 |
| sledges | in portrait | 15:42 |
| Ali__ | it's portrait, with stripes | 15:42 |
| sledges | stripes? | 15:42 |
| Ali__ | white strpies. | 15:42 |
| faenil | :O | 15:42 |
| sledges | not good | 15:42 |
| sledges | :D | 15:42 |
| faenil | wtf xD | 15:42 |
| Ali__ | there's also some text: piix4_smbus 0000:00:07..... | 15:42 |
| sledges | that's ok | 15:42 |
| sledges | type journalctl | 15:43 |
| Ali__ | that's the same as in sailfish emulator | 15:43 |
| sledges | in ssh | 15:43 |
| sledges | wOOt? | 15:43 |
| sledges | ;) | 15:43 |
| sledges | also | 15:43 |
| sledges | systemctl | grep -i fail | 15:43 |
| sledges | but even if sailfish emulator has white stripes and no homescreen, you're in trouble buddy | 15:44 |
| sledges | what host are you using? | 15:44 |
| Ali__ | sledges, no result | 15:44 |
| Ali__ | sailfish has homescreen. | 15:44 |
| sledges | and how 'remotely' are you connecting to those VMs? | 15:44 |
| Ali__ | there are no stripes ;-) | 15:44 |
| Ali__ | sailfish emulator works fine. | 15:44 |
| Ali__ | Therefore, Nemo should work, too, I would suppose... ;-) | 15:45 |
| sledges | yes | 15:45 |
| sledges | i get you now | 15:45 |
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| sledges | Ali__, i'd rather re-create everything from zero | 15:46 |
| sledges | including image generation | 15:46 |
| sledges | as i said, today i rebuilt the image, all works on vbox 4.2.12 | 15:46 |
| sledges | so you can try another machine as well.. | 15:47 |
| Ali__ | OK, so I'll do it once again | 15:47 |
| sledges | physical, not remote | 15:47 |
| sledges | Ali__, have you rebuilt it once already? | 15:47 |
| Ali__ | yeah, I did. Got some updates. | 15:47 |
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| sledges | pfffff | 15:47 |
| sledges | :| | 15:47 |
| sledges | what is your host configuration? | 15:48 |
| Ali__ | Is there any service like textsnip.com for pics? | 15:48 |
| sledges | imgurl.com | 15:48 |
| sledges | imgur.com | 15:48 |
| sledges | * | 15:48 |
| sledges | also Ali__ try nemo-vm->Settings->Processor->Enable ~PAE instructions | 15:49 |
| Ali__ | here's a screenshot of vm: http://merproject.org/logs/%23nemomobile/ | 15:49 |
| Ali__ | no, wrong url... ;-) | 15:49 |
| Ali__ | http://imgur.com/jhKWbXa | 15:50 |
| sledges | ungood | 15:50 |
| Ali__ | I don't wanna waste time. I'll rebuild everything. | 15:50 |
| Ali__ | Maybe that works again a little step... ;-) | 15:51 |
| locusf | hmm its stuck at plymouth so lipstick hasn't initialized properly | 15:51 |
| locusf | might just be a bad build with recent mer qt version | 15:51 |
| sledges | locusf, and that would be matter of hours | 15:51 |
| sledges | i rebuilt my vm mic image at 2pm UTC | 15:52 |
| Ali__ | mine maybe at 4pm UTC | 15:52 |
| Ali__ | wrong, 3 pm UTC | 15:52 |
| giucam | mine half an hour ago and it works :) | 15:53 |
| Ali__ | ok, so I buld again. | 15:53 |
| sledges | giucam, thanks that's most valuable | 15:53 |
| locusf | Ali__: I have a prebuilt vm bttw | 15:53 |
| Ali__ | where?! | 15:53 |
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| Ali__ | locusf,Haven't found any link/URL for prebuilt VMs... | 15:54 |
| locusf | https://www.dropbox.com/s/sdxpnfs1ud3k1yl/nemoWayland.vdi | 15:54 |
| locusf | Ali__: sure, I know, this under the counter image :) | 15:54 |
| sledges | :)) | 15:54 |
| Ali__ | ;-) | 15:55 |
| locusf | Ali__: sha1sum 47405dc61786cc8d6ed3d727af4fd0f1a1d69a04 Dropbox/nemoWayland.vdi | 15:56 |
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| Ali__ | HUHUUUU! A new build is like a new life. Halleluja! It's working. | 16:10 |
| sledges | :D | 16:11 |
| locusf | nice :) | 16:12 |
| sledges | is not the latest build though ;) | 16:12 |
| sledges | no idea what went wrong :D | 16:12 |
| sledges | but who cares now :)) | 16:12 |
| Ali__ | What's working now is my latest build... so, should be latest at all, no? | 16:13 |
| Ali__ | I have built it 10 minutes ago | 16:13 |
| sledges | Ali__, not the .vdi you dowloaded | 16:13 |
| sledges | a ok | 16:13 |
| sledges | then all clear :D | 16:13 |
| sledges | keep calm and carry on ;)) | 16:14 |
| locusf | ah :D | 16:14 |
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| faenil_ | qwazix, ping | 17:06 |
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| faenil | grrr | 17:15 |
| faenil | qwazix, ping | 17:15 |
| faenil | sledges, locusf do you know more about the "u" unit? | 17:16 |
| faenil | for components | 17:16 |
| faenil | as in, did anyone decide how to implement it? | 17:16 |
| locusf | I've interpreted it as px in the keyboard and I know I'm wrong | 17:17 |
| locusf | the u unit is defined here http://play.qwazix.com/grog/?p=456 | 17:17 |
| faenil | yeah I read that | 17:17 |
| locusf | ah ok | 17:18 |
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| locusf | There are two ways to do this: either patch Qt <- did you do this already :) ? | 17:21 |
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| faenil | nope :P | 17:21 |
| faenil | I guess a js import will do | 17:21 |
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| faenil | don't know if qwazix already had an idea about how to ship it | 17:28 |
| faenil | oh... giucam you there? | 17:28 |
| faenil | also, how are we supposed to recognize single devices? from their model name? | 17:35 |
| faenil | that u value is supposed to be device dependent.. | 17:35 |
| faenil | we either ship is as an env var with the device specific config package, which is probably the easiest (and best?) solution | 17:36 |
| faenil | or we set the constant once when the app starts, but then we have to read the device name, and act accordingly | 17:37 |
| faenil | both not difficult, we just have to decide which one to go with | 17:37 |
| faenil | qwazix, Hurrian Morpog_Mobile locusf sledges ^ | 17:37 |
| locusf | I'd go with runtime | 17:39 |
| faenil | as in? | 17:44 |
| locusf | the latter solution | 17:44 |
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| faenil | locusf, I'd vote the env var instead | 17:52 |
| faenil | actually, a cpp onleliner which reads the env var and exposes it to qml | 17:52 |
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| locusf | faenil: ok | 17:55 |
| faenil | I'll wait for some more opinions on this | 17:55 |
| faenil | locusf, did you have any news about the font issue? i.e. Qt not selecting the right font | 17:56 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, w00t ^ | 17:56 |
| locusf | faenil: ? | 17:56 |
| locusf | I didn't know there was an issue | 17:56 |
| faenil | remember, we have to delete all fonts for it to switch to opensans | 17:56 |
| faenil | come on, you did :D | 17:56 |
| locusf | ah yeah :D | 17:57 |
| locusf | no news | 17:57 |
| faenil | :P | 17:57 |
| faenil | mm ok | 17:57 |
| faenil | want to volunteer? :D | 17:57 |
| locusf | I don't even know where to start :D | 17:58 |
| locusf | but sure I can take a look | 17:58 |
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| faenil | qwazix, what if the dev chooses another size for the button? how to handle the disabled image overlay? | 18:02 |
| faenil | we can't just stretch it, but BorderImage won't work in our case | 18:02 |
| faenil | also, what is the background color for pages? | 18:06 |
| qwazix | faenil, on mobile with battery dying any minute, but the didabled overlay is tileable | 18:09 |
| qwazix | *disabled | 18:09 |
| faenil | yes, but tileable is different from BorderImage | 18:10 |
| faenil | do you want to use clipping? | 18:10 |
| faenil | qwazix, anyway no problem, we'll talk when you have some time ;) | 18:10 |
| qwazix | ? No borderimage for the button. | 18:10 |
| faenil | let's say Button is 300 instead of the default 240 | 18:10 |
| faenil | ah, I'm just talking bs, nevermind... | 18:11 |
| * faenil facepalms | 18:11 | |
| qwazix | scratch that. Probably we would use borderimage but with 0 width borders | 18:11 |
| faenil | well, no reason to use it without borders? :D | 18:11 |
| faenil | just image with tile mode will do? | 18:11 |
| qwazix | Yes, I wasn't sure image had tilemode | 18:12 |
| qwazix | Background color is #000 | 18:13 |
| faenil | qwazix, fillMode: Image.Tile | 18:13 |
| qwazix | Good | 18:13 |
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| ZogG_laptop | ._. | 18:19 |
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| faenil | ZogG_laptop, sup | 18:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | sup sup | 18:20 |
| faenil | have jolla guys been swallowed by a tornado today? :D | 18:23 |
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| ZogG_laptop | faenil: you mean irc or at all? | 18:34 |
| faenil | irc | 18:34 |
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| Stskeeps | faenil: got family visitibg | 18:36 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:36 |
| faenil | :) | 18:36 |
| sledges | id like to hear more on the u unit too | 18:36 |
| sledges | but that is the same answer to a question - are we already supporting other form factors? | 18:36 |
| sledges | or just put up with hardcoded N9 res (as maliit does atm) | 18:36 |
| sledges | (maliit-glacier) | 18:36 |
| sledges | for the time being | 18:37 |
| faenil | sledges, why doing things we know we will have to rewrite? | 18:37 |
| faenil | it's not a big change | 18:37 |
| faenil | we just have to decide how to ship that constant factor :9 | 18:37 |
| faenil | :) | 18:37 |
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| sledges | and then what will happen with images? | 18:37 |
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| sledges | we brainstormed we ship SVGs and rescale them on-device | 18:38 |
| sledges | to PNGs | 18:38 |
| sledges | during install | 18:38 |
| sledges | but that was just speculations, no proof-of-concepts either | 18:38 |
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| faenil | mmm | 18:39 |
| sledges | so for now 1 u = 1 px, and we`ll worry about it later ;) just have env var is all what you want faenil for time being? | 18:39 |
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| faenil | well, we can add support for U now | 18:39 |
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| faenil | and images later | 18:39 |
| sledges | right | 18:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | Stskeeps: you work from home or moved to fi btw? | 18:40 |
| ZogG_laptop | u as a letter u? | 18:41 |
| ZogG_laptop | what's wrong with it? | 18:41 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop, http://play.qwazix.com/grog/?p=456 | 18:41 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop, and about the other question, he works from home | 18:42 |
| faenil | (afaik) | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | ZogG_laptop: home | 18:42 |
| sledges | Stskeeps, you reply detailedness supposes a certain stage reached already: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/working_home | 18:44 |
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| ZogG_laptop | faenil: can i be sarcastic? | 18:46 |
| locusf | :D | 18:46 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop, you're free | 18:46 |
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| sledges | as in free speech | 18:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | but why did you take 1280X720p as standard :) | 18:47 |
| sledges | bbl | 18:48 |
| ZogG_laptop | but actuallly it is interesting point | 18:48 |
| ZogG_laptop | how does multi-resolution supports work | 18:49 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop, standard? | 18:49 |
| ZogG_laptop | not resolution | 18:49 |
| ZogG_laptop | but screen size | 18:49 |
| faenil | it's not my blog ;) qwazix is the author | 18:49 |
| ZogG_laptop | throwing responsabilities :) | 18:53 |
| faenil | :) | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: yes its like that | 18:53 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: did you finish studies already? | 18:53 |
| faenil | he's one of the graphics designers for glacier ;) | 18:53 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop, nope | 18:53 |
| ZogG_laptop | i yeah i know | 18:53 |
| ZogG_laptop | i'm not active member but i do follow | 18:54 |
| faenil | :) | 18:54 |
| ZogG_laptop | i'm sneaky ninja :) | 18:55 |
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| giucam | faenil: i'm now :) | 18:56 |
| faenil | giucam, hey :) there's an issue with fonts | 18:56 |
| giucam | hey, don't run too fast. i've yet to finish setting all up ;) | 18:57 |
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| faenil | ahaha :D | 18:59 |
| faenil | anyway, Qt ignores our requests re fonts | 19:00 |
| faenil | there must be some issue | 19:00 |
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| faenil | bbl, 4th anniversary today, out with gf :) | 19:02 |
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| qwazix | Faenil, happy anniv. | 19:02 |
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| faenil | qwazix, thanks :) | 19:03 |
| qwazix | Btw we should do a function u(x) {return x} for now | 19:03 |
| qwazix | And then do as we like with units without having to rewrite anything | 19:04 |
| qwazix | (except if you have a better idea) | 19:04 |
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| qwazix | And ZogG, we did take N9 /50 as a standard as it is our (only) development platform right now | 19:10 |
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| giucam | ok, i've followed https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Wayland_Nemo_VM_Image through the end | 19:20 |
| giucam | tomorrow i'll try to make the first bugfix :) | 19:21 |
| locusf | good :) | 19:22 |
| locusf | cloning qtbase | 19:23 |
| Morpog_PC | locuf you were not wrong, on N9 (854x480) 1u = 1px | 19:24 |
| locusf | Morpog_PC: oh ok | 19:24 |
| Morpog_PC | N9 is our reference | 19:25 |
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| locusf | hmm I really need to build waylandsink, it would be nice to have video recording functionality on the device itself | 19:29 |
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| locusf | ah sledges isn't here | 19:34 |
| giucam | what's waylandsink? a gstreamer plugin? | 19:35 |
| locusf | giucam: yes | 19:35 |
| giucam | hmmm... how can it read the wayland screen? | 19:36 |
| Morpog_PC | hmm no real fast microSDHC cards available.... there goes my dream of easily flashable nemo on Jolla device :( | 19:36 |
| Morpog_PC | oops I was wrong, I watched microsdxc | 19:37 |
| Morpog_PC | something like that should do it: http://geizhals.de/sandisk-extreme-pro-microsdhc-16gb-sdsdqxp-016g-x46-a832397.html | 19:38 |
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| locusf | giucam: lemme find the sources | 19:41 |
| locusf | giucam: https://gitorious.org/gst-wayland/gst-wayland/source/6575cb5bfb8c21959e3f22296cfd5e6ca34ca9e3: | 19:42 |
| locusf | I got it compiled \o/ | 19:43 |
| giucam | ah, but it plays, it doesn't record | 19:43 |
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| giucam | there's also mpv which has a wayland output | 19:45 |
| locusf | it doesn't? | 19:47 |
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| giucam | no: /* The waylandsink is creating its own window and render the decoded video frames to that.*/ :) | 19:48 |
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| giucam | a wayland client cannot access the screen output, that's what sounded strange to me | 19:48 |
| ZogG_laptop | araujo: hello ther gentoo dev :) | 19:48 |
| giucam | only the compositor, or a trusted client, can do video recording | 19:48 |
| giucam | a trusted client can do it via a private protocol, and it must be executed by the compositor | 19:49 |
| locusf | hmm ok | 19:50 |
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| ZogG_laptop | is there builtin shortcuts to make screenshots? | 19:53 |
| locusf | ZogG_laptop: on wayland yes, but not until todays build | 19:54 |
| ZogG_laptop | hmm | 19:54 |
| ZogG_laptop | i have half screen app and half screen the screen with open apps | 19:54 |
| ZogG_laptop | the funny thing that both are active | 19:55 |
| locusf | it can happen :) | 19:55 |
| ZogG_laptop | fingerterm is working? | 19:55 |
| ZogG_laptop | i have one of your builds | 19:55 |
| ZogG_laptop | want to update to last one | 19:55 |
| locusf | hmm I don't have time to bake one & upload one now :/ | 19:56 |
| locusf | hmm unless my internet speed got faster | 19:56 |
| ZogG_laptop | don't need one if i have term | 19:56 |
| ZogG_laptop | :) | 19:56 |
| locusf | oh | 19:56 |
| locusf | you mean zypper upgrading? | 19:57 |
| ZogG_laptop | yes | 19:57 |
| ZogG_laptop | but finger term is not working apperantly | 19:57 |
| locusf | hmm | 19:57 |
| locusf | it should | 19:57 |
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| ZogG_laptop | locusf: it doesn't :( | 20:02 |
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| locusf | ok, bummer | 20:03 |
| locusf | reboot? | 20:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | yeap | 20:03 |
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| ZogG_laptop | i on't think it wrked first boot either | 20:03 |
| locusf | ok | 20:05 |
| ZogG_laptop | next image then :) | 20:06 |
| locusf | ok :) | 20:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | btw the shutdown logo is much nicer than bootup image | 20:08 |
| locusf | cool :) | 20:09 |
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| ZogG_laptop | ._. | 20:18 |
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| zbenjamin | is there some documentation on how to build my own images? | 21:17 |
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| sledges | locusf, waylandsrc ;) | 21:20 |
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| sledges | zbenjamin, google for kickstarter (.ks) | 21:21 |
| sledges | and the do mic -h | 21:21 |
| sledges | on mersdk | 21:21 |
| sledges | then you csn build any image | 21:21 |
| sledges | ir did you have a particular img in mind? ;) | 21:21 |
| zbenjamin | well a image for my n9 , i wanna see if i can contribute, therefore i need a way to hack on it ;) | 21:22 |
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| sledges | zbenjamin, there is a wiki article on that | 21:49 |
| sledges | wiki.merproject.org/ | 21:49 |
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| sledges | search for qt5 wayland n950 | 21:49 |
| sledges | i think | 21:49 |
| sledges | on mobile now :) | 21:49 |
| zbenjamin | the n9 and the n950 is the same except for the keyboard? | 21:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | not so sure | 21:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | zbenjamin: which one you have? | 21:50 |
| zbenjamin | th1 blue 16gb version | 21:51 |
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| zbenjamin | s/th1/the | 21:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | you can check locusf's twitter (same nick there) he shared links for imgs | 21:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | so you have n9 | 21:51 |
| zbenjamin | yeah | 21:51 |
| faenil | zbenjamin, yes it is the same ;) | 21:57 |
| faenil | (mostly) | 21:57 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: to the rescue | 21:57 |
| faenil | :) just back | 21:57 |
| ZogG_laptop | how was it? | 21:57 |
| zbenjamin | good to know ... ; | 21:57 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: are you living with her? | 21:58 |
| faenil | zbenjamin, also, I wrote this ;) https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Armv7hl_Development_Guide | 21:58 |
| zbenjamin | aaa great! | 21:58 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop, nope, but she usually sleep in my room | 21:58 |
| ZogG_laptop | you leave with folks or renting? | 21:59 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop, great, great :) we have a trusted pizza place and we usually go there for this kind of occasions :) | 21:59 |
| ZogG_laptop | i'm gonna move in with my in few weeks | 21:59 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop, I live with other guys, I pay for a room | 21:59 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop, ohh, good luck! :) | 21:59 |
| ZogG_laptop | i'm living with my friend from army | 21:59 |
| faenil | ah :) | 22:00 |
| ZogG_laptop | as much as i'm in in TLV was living with him except one year | 22:00 |
| ZogG_laptop | now it's time to move on | 22:00 |
| faenil | :) | 22:00 |
| ZogG_laptop | but she hates computers and when i sit in front of them and twitter on my phone :) | 22:00 |
| faenil | let's try again, w00t ping | 22:00 |
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| ZogG_laptop | hope it would pass as we'll live otgether | 22:00 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop, ahahha I can understand :D | 22:00 |
| ZogG_laptop | otherwise i would need to sneak at night for internets | 22:01 |
| faenil | ahah :) | 22:01 |
| zbenjamin | faenil: and if i want to hack on the system itself? is there some documentation on how to build a system image? | 22:03 |
| faenil | zbenjamin, what do you mean? | 22:04 |
| zbenjamin | or is this for building a system image? | 22:04 |
| faenil | tell me what you need and what you think the guide is for ;) | 22:04 |
| faenil | and I'll try to explain :) | 22:04 |
| zbenjamin | well lets say i want to improve the app booster deamon, i need to be able to somehow put my changed version into the system ... | 22:05 |
| zbenjamin | wait ... i guess the system is rootet so i can just copy my binary on to it | 22:05 |
| faenil | yep ;) | 22:05 |
| zbenjamin | man sometimes i think so complicated .... | 22:06 |
| faenil | :) | 22:06 |
| faenil | so build nemo wayland image flash, flash it on device, and then copy modified stuff to device,or install new modified packages, or whatever :) | 22:06 |
| zbenjamin | ok sounds good to me | 22:06 |
| zbenjamin | thank you for your help | 22:06 |
| faenil | I usually copy modified package over, as there is a nice script which builds and packages | 22:07 |
| faenil | so you get rpm :) | 22:07 |
| faenil | np, I'm here to help :) and we need lots of help as well :D | 22:07 |
| zbenjamin | ;) now my n9 just needs to survive flashing it | 22:08 |
| faenil | :) | 22:08 |
| zbenjamin | maybe some dual boot setup would be a good idea | 22:08 |
| faenil | I currently have triple boot :) | 22:08 |
| faenil | using ubiboot | 22:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | zbenjamin: there is wiki for dual-boot howto | 22:09 |
| zbenjamin | ZogG_laptop: yeah saw that one already | 22:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: what is 3rd one btw? | 22:09 |
| zbenjamin | faenil: the nokia image, nemo and? | 22:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | i bet nitdroid | 22:09 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop, nitdroid, I needed it to reverse an android app | 22:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: :P | 22:09 |
| faenil | :) | 22:09 |
| zbenjamin | faenil: is it whatsapp? ;) | 22:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | i had funtoo before nemo | 22:09 |
| faenil | nope, my carrier app :) | 22:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | but as i'm too noob i didnt figure out how to make display wor | 22:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | work* | 22:10 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop, oh :) well, we're all noobs here :) at least I am ;P | 22:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: so you re-wrote carrier app? hmm. interesting idea | 22:10 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop, well, it's one of my projects, as they only published theirs for Android/iOS | 22:11 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: i booted there but as display doesn't refresh by itself i had no «eyes» :) | 22:11 |
| faenil | ah...yeah, it's quite tricky on n9 | 22:11 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: if you can assist me there btw i would be gladful | 22:12 |
| faenil | I don't know how it works in details | 22:12 |
| faenil | I don't think I'm the right guy, I don't have deep linux knowledge (yet ) | 22:12 |
| ZogG_laptop | :) | 22:12 |
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| faenil | but remember "fb_update_mode doupdate" | 22:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | i made some loop shell script | 22:13 |
| faenil | that's what is used to update the screen in Nemo when something in the graphics stack doesn't work | 22:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | but as openrc is not p"parallel" by default it showed it for some time and than went on without display :) | 22:14 |
| faenil | ah :) | 22:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | what do you mean doen't work? | 22:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | you mean before something else takes responsibilit to update | 22:14 |
| faenil | like when we were porting wayland to n9/n950 :) | 22:15 |
| faenil | yep | 22:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | and what is this something else? | 22:15 |
| faenil | no I mean when the graphics driver misbehaves | 22:15 |
| faenil | or there are graphics issues | 22:15 |
| faenil | which, for whatever reason, end up not updating the screen | 22:15 |
| zbenjamin | faenil: you have no deep linux knowledge but you port wayland to the n9 ???;) | 22:15 |
| faenil | then I usually force refresh with that command | 22:15 |
| faenil | zbenjamin, I didn't port it ;) I just played with it while other people were porting it ;) | 22:16 |
| zbenjamin | ah ic ;) | 22:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: better than plying wth yourself :P | 22:16 |
| faenil | :) | 22:16 |
| faenil | anyway good night people ;) | 22:17 |
| faenil | zbenjamin, if you need help tomorrow just ask away ;) | 22:17 |
| zbenjamin | faenil: yeah thank you .. good night | 22:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | night everyone | 22:19 |
| zbenjamin | night | 22:21 |
| * zbenjamin should catch some sleep too | 22:21 | |
| sledges | good idea | 22:28 |
| sledges | z) | 22:28 |
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