Thursday, 2024-11-28

Crabstermorning07:56
rainemakmorning07:59
rainemak#startmeeting Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 28th November 202408:00
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rainemak#info Meeting information and agenda can be found here:08:00
rainemak#link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/community-meeting-on-28th-november-2024/2105008:00
rainemakI am the meeting's chairperson today, and will be doing my best to keep time and order. Please respect the timings and bee-hive.08:00
rainemak#topic Brief introduction (5 min). Please prefix your name/handle with #info08:00
ViGemorning08:00
rainemak#info Raine Mäkeläinen, Jolla08:00
ViGe#info Ville Nummela, community08:01
tuplasuhveli[m]#info tuplasuhveli, community08:01
pvuorela#info Pekka Vuorela, Jolla08:01
tuplasuhveli[m]Good morning all!08:01
rainemakGood morning!08:01
abr#info Andrew Branson, Sailing by08:01
Crabster#info Crabster - lurker08:01
arisel#info arisel, community08:01
rainemakWe have 3 topics today so we should also time for general discussion08:02
rainemaklet's get going08:04
rainemak#topic bluetooth/ble support for android apps (5 mins -- asked by arisel)08:05
rainemakA question from the previous meeting08:05
rainemak#link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/community-meeting-on-28th-november-2024/21050/208:05
rainemak#info <Jolla> Too long question to be pasted here. Hence, above link.08:05
rainemakgood morning flypig and daiboiade as well08:05
flypigMorning! Sorry for being late.08:05
rainemakno worry08:05
flypig#info David Lllewellyn-Jones, community08:06
daiboiadegood morning everyone08:06
rainemak#info <Jolla> You can be rest assured that we are also aware of current limitations.08:06
rainemak#info <Jolla> We certainly want to have bluetooth support for AppSupport, it is not08:06
rainemak#info <Jolla> about that, and we have some novel ideas regarding this.08:06
daiboiade#info daiboade, community member08:07
rainemakHaving bt support for AppSupport would certainly unlock use cases08:07
ariselrainemak: do you have any ideas on prioritization, or on which way you might most possibly be following / evaluating?08:08
ariselrainemak: also: my Q was a bit about being able to find an information you just posted, somewhat more publicy. So: will there be any statement in the forum, maybe?08:09
rainemakarisel, some decision making needed first. I'll try to get above copy-pasted to the forum as well on a topic xyz08:11
rainemakarisel, for time being I guess this is satisfying answer :-)08:11
rainemaklet's move on08:12
rainemak#topic More generic features enabled in kernel configs  (5 mins -- asked by nephros)08:12
rainemak#info <nephros> I’d like to raise awareness for this feature request, maybe for08:12
rainemak#info <nephros> SFOS5 we could get a couple of the more desktop-y kernel functions08:12
rainemak#info <nephros> enabled?08:12
rainemak#info <nephros> My personal wish would be filesystems like NFS, CIFS and UDF, but08:12
rainemak#info <nephros> there are some other requests in the linked topic.08:12
rainemak#info <nephros> Where would a “formal” request with specific features have to be08:12
rainemak#info <nephros> directed? mer-hybris/mer-kernel-check? Somewhere else?08:12
rainemak#link https://github.com/mer-hybris/mer-kernel-check/08:12
rainemak#info <Jolla> You are right. The mer-hybris/mer-kernel-check is the right place to08:12
rainemak#info <Jolla> look at. Opening a PR is a good way to start discussion regarding08:12
rainemak#info <Jolla> needed kernel options.08:12
ariselrainemak: ty! (and knowing that you aim for that is nice!)08:13
rainemak#topic Jolla C2 adaptation repos and source code (5 mins asked by nephros)08:15
rainemak#info <nephros> This is a bit of a Folllow-up question to an older one forum topic08:15
rainemak#info <nephros> meeting log: The answer to the earlier question was: Opening up08:15
rainemak#info <nephros> adaptation sources got J Tablet and JollaC (one) was “are tricky as08:15
rainemak#info <nephros> there were some proprietary sources”.08:15
rainemak#info <nephros> Will such components be made available for the C2 device?08:15
rainemak#info <nephros> Also, as noted here, open source tarballs are not currently08:15
rainemak#info <nephros> available e.g. at Index of /sources/. Will these be available? If08:15
rainemak#info <nephros> so, when?08:15
rainemak#info <nephros> Do users who want to have access to e.g. the GPLv2 kernel sources,08:15
rainemak#info <nephros> indeed have to put that as a written request to Jolla, as noted in08:15
rainemak#info <nephros> the Sailfish OS License Terms?08:15
rainemak#link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/community-meeting-on-14th-march-2024/18132/808:15
rainemak#link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/jolla-c2-open-source-code/2095908:15
rainemak#link http://releases.sailfishos.org/sources/08:15
rainemak#info <Jolla> Current adaptation build process for C2 is complex making also OBS08:15
rainemak#info <Jolla> building difficult. That is making source code publishing to Index08:15
rainemak#info <Jolla> of /sources/ also difficult. There are tons of topics to be sorted08:15
rainemak#info <Jolla> out. No schedule promises at this point.08:15
flypigIs it just a technical difficulty (i.e. not legal or something else)?08:19
flypig(I'm refering to the difficulty of building on OBS).08:19
rainemakI'd say mostly technical difficulty08:21
flypigOkay, thank you! It sounded like that from the way you described it, but I just wanted to make sure.08:22
rainemaktime to move on08:22
rainemak#topic Open PR discussion (5 mins -- asked by Jolla)08:22
rainemakSeems that none today. Maybe on next meeting.08:27
rainemak#topic General discussion (10 mins)08:27
flypigA quick question about the kernel modules, as I'm clueless on the topic. How easy or hard is it to change these settings? Is it just a case of changing the value in the "mer_verify_kernel_config" file, or is it much more infolved than that?08:27
ViGeI'm as clueless, but "mer_verify_kernel_config" sounds like something that just verifies the config instead of actually creating the config08:29
flypigYes, it does rather, doesn't it.08:29
abrbut getting something added to that would mean that all adaptations including ports would be strongly encouraged to add it to their kernel configs.08:30
ViGePersonally, I would like to see midi sequencer enabled in the config, but as I'm probably the only one I'm not going to even suggest it to be added :-D08:30
abrof course there's nothing stopping them adding extra configs anyway08:31
flypigViGe, I think poetaster asks for something similar in the forum thread?08:31
ariselViGe: +1 ;))08:31
flypigSo, abr, the idea is that by getting it added there, warnings will be thrown up somewhere else that'll provoke the actual work needed (which, I suppose, could be considerable)?08:32
abrI don't think there's much extra work needed. There's nothing more to do than change the config file and make sure the kernel still works.08:33
flypigabr, thanks, that's interesting. I guess you still have to compile the kernel, which is no small task in itself.08:34
abrBut I don't think it's feasible to enable absolutely everything. There has to be a line somewhere. Else the kernel might end up too big and maybe even unstable.08:34
flypigBut for someone really keen to have a specific feature, it sounds like they could do it themselves and try it out?08:35
abriiuc adding the the kernel-check won't really get older adaptations updated either. just new ones. to add stuff to those you can create a PR on the repo (in the case of the xperias or other public adaptations)08:35
abrbuilding kernels isn't easy iirc. pretty serious HADK.08:36
flypigThanks abr, I find this really helpful for perspective.08:36
rainemakvery good discussion indeed08:37
abrHope I know what I'm talking about :D08:37
flypigYou always know what you're talking about! :)08:38
abrno i just sound like I do :P08:39
rainemakyeah, right :-)08:41
rainemaklet's schedule next meeting08:41
rainemak#topic Next meeting time and date (5 min)08:41
rainemakProposing Thursday 12th December at 08:00am UTC08:41
flypigNo objection here!08:42
abrbtw, here's how bt tethering was enabled recently in the xperia kernels: https://github.com/mer-hybris/android_kernel_sony_msm/pull/137/files08:42
abr+108:42
flypigNice, thanks abr! That looks pretty straightforward... as long as you know what you're doing.08:43
abryeah the tough bit is the building and testing08:43
rainemak#info Next meeting will be held on Thursday 12th December 2024 at 08:00am UTC: 2024-12-12T0800Z08:43
flypigIt looks like we're heading for a meeting on Boxing day ;)08:44
rainemakThank you everybody! Once again a very good meeting and nice to see some new nicknames.08:44
rainemakflypig, let's try to avoid that Dec 26 / Boxing Day collision08:45
flypigYes please :)08:45
rainemakI guess we'll just skip that continue 2nd Jan 202508:46
rainemak^ but that's to be decided on the next meeting08:46
rainemak I guess we'll just skip that and continue 2nd Jan 202508:46
rainemakthat's it for today08:47
rainemakthanks08:47
rainemak#endmeeting08:47
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Crabsterthx #?08:47
ViGethanks08:47
flypigThanks rainemak + all for a nice meeting as always!08:47

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