| rainemak | good morning | 07:56 |
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| ViGe | morning | 07:56 |
| ExTechOp | Good morning, everyone! | 07:56 |
| rainemak | hi ViGe and ExTechOp | 07:56 |
| daiboiade | good morning, everyone | 07:57 |
| rainemak | #startmeeting Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 27th February 2025 | 07:59 |
| sailbot | Meeting started Thu Feb 27 07:59:57 2025 UTC. The chair is rainemak. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 07:59 |
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| rainemak | #info Meeting information and agenda can be found here: | 08:00 |
| rainemak | #link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/community-meeting-on-27th-february-2025/22233 | 08:00 |
| rainemak | I am the meeting's chairperson today, and will be doing my best to keep time and order. Please respect the timings and bee-hive. | 08:00 |
| rainemak | #topic Brief introduction (5 min). Please prefix your name/handle with #info | 08:00 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "Brief introduction (5 min). Please prefix your name/handle with #info (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 27th February 2025)" | 08:00 | |
| ViGe | #info Ville Nummela, community | 08:00 |
| ExTechOp | #info Otto Mäkelä, community | 08:00 |
| direc85[m] | Good morning! | 08:00 |
| rainemak | #info Raine Mäkeläinen, Jolla | 08:00 |
| direc85[m] | #info Matti Viljanen, Jolla | 08:00 |
| daiboiade | #info daiboiade, community | 08:01 |
| rainemak | welcome daiboiade | 08:01 |
| abr | #info Andrew Branson, sailing by | 08:02 |
| rainemak | nice to occasionally see new nicknames | 08:02 |
| nephros | #info nephros, community | 08:03 |
| pvuorela | #info Pekka Vuorela, Jolla | 08:04 |
| rainemak | No topics today. We do have at least one PR to discuss so we have a good amount of time. | 08:04 |
| * nephros will be afk for 5 min, sorry | 08:04 | |
| rainemak | nephros, np | 08:04 |
| rainemak | #topic Open PR discussion (15 mins -- asked by Jolla) | 08:05 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "Open PR discussion (15 mins -- asked by Jolla) (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 27th February 2025)" | 08:05 | |
| rainemak | I'll give that 5mins for for nephros first. If there are other PRs, let's cover those first. | 08:06 |
| rainemak | pvuorela and dcaliste maybe something? | 08:06 |
| rainemak | nb, we do have also https://github.com/sailfishos/issue-tracker now. | 08:08 |
| pvuorela | damien doesn't seem to be around, but we're having some good stuff at messagingframework front. | 08:08 |
| rainemak | noticed that | 08:09 |
| rainemak | #info <nephros> I was happy to see the announcement of an improvement of the | 08:10 |
| rainemak | #info <nephros> IMHO important XMLHttpRequest functionality in QtDeclarative. | 08:10 |
| rainemak | #info <nephros> @throwaway69 has found an old PR towards QtDeclarative which | 08:10 |
| rainemak | #info <nephros> would enable binary payloads, which would enable POSTing things | 08:10 |
| rainemak | #info <nephros> form QML that are not text. This is currently impossible to do | 08:10 |
| rainemak | #info <nephros> with many HTTP API Endpoints (for example, this Forum). | 08:10 |
| rainemak | #info <nephros> PR URL: https://codereview.qt-project.org/c/qt/qtdeclarative/+/143732 | 08:10 |
| rainemak | #info <nephros> and older variant against Qt5.6: https://codereview.qt-project.org/c/qt/qtdeclarative/+/125625 | 08:10 |
| rainemak | #info <nephros> Would there be any objections to adopting this change in the | 08:10 |
| rainemak | #info <nephros> SailfishOS version of QtDeclarative? | 08:10 |
| * nephros is back just in time ;) | 08:11 | |
| rainemak | Any opinions? | 08:11 |
| nephros | There was the question re: licensing. Can "old", pre-license changes get merged into the Jolla tree at all? | 08:12 |
| pvuorela | i'm not too eager to cherrypick user facing qt changes which are skipped upstream. if there are problems with qtdeclarative requests it shouldn't be too hard to just do it in c++. | 08:12 |
| rainemak | nephros, conceptually they can | 08:13 |
| pvuorela | also that's doing some v4 stuff which i wouldn't like to maintain when going forward | 08:13 |
| rainemak | if you have a Silica based app running for Sailfish OS and you're using QML => there ain't really others to use it i.e. having it in upstream or not doesn't play too big of a role | 08:15 |
| piggz[m] | #info piggz, community | 08:17 |
| piggz[m] | Gm | 08:17 |
| rainemak | further, based on quick look that fix doesn't really look too bad to maintain | 08:17 |
| rainemak | but surely it's a bit of maintenance effort | 08:18 |
| nephros | It looks like a small change yes. You're right can be worked around in c++ or Python, but it's a bit weird to have to do that in a qml-only app just for uploading. | 08:19 |
| pvuorela | but is there really much benefit if the whole problem can be easily side-stepped in a way that should work on any qt | 08:19 |
| nephros | Like the Forum-Viewer app does, go via imgur for images. | 08:20 |
| ExTechOp | Maybe this meeting isn't the place for a philosophical discussion of how far we want to diverge from the upstream. Could this change itself be pushed to upstream? | 08:20 |
| pvuorela | v4 has a risk of regressions too elsewhere and there hasn't been much code review approvals on the PRs. | 08:21 |
| nephros | Upstream AFAIK has adopted the feature, but a different implementation, in a higher versin. | 08:22 |
| rainemak | nephros, is that application level behavior more or less the same? | 08:22 |
| ExTechOp | Would it make sense to backport the upstream implementation? | 08:23 |
| rainemak | not directly due to license | 08:23 |
| nephros | Not sure I understand. Do you mean does the accepted change do the same as this one? | 08:23 |
| rainemak | nephros, yeap... app developer point of view transparent and similar way of using it | 08:24 |
| rainemak | as it's only in the xmlhttprequest payload it really cannot be too much different either | 08:24 |
| nephros | I guess it does. You give a TypedArray as payload to the xmlhttprequest. | 08:25 |
| rainemak | so shouldn't be a big deal to have it => can be adapted to Sailfish OS as well | 08:26 |
| rainemak | let's move on | 08:28 |
| rainemak | #topic General discussion (15 mins) | 08:28 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "General discussion (15 mins) (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 27th February 2025)" | 08:28 | |
| rainemak | Any feedback on 5.0.0.61? | 08:28 |
| nephros | WEll, Congratulations to the team for the 5.0 release! | 08:28 |
| piggz[m] | Yes, thanks for all the work i now need to do to make 5 images for all my ports :D | 08:29 |
| nephros | BTW I think this is the accepted upstream version: https://codereview.qt-project.org/c/qt/qtdeclarative/+/198433 | 08:29 |
| ExTechOp | rainemak No comment, seems to work as well as the earlier release, so no news is good news | 08:29 |
| daiboiade | let me leave a "kiitos" here, to everyone from jolla. SFOS with mind2 feels great on big screen. <3 | 08:29 |
| rainemak | ExTechOp, we're trying to figure out a way to deliver AppSupport already for Xperia 10 IV and 10 V | 08:30 |
| rainemak | this week and next week some folks are on vacation but after that I think we could sort it out | 08:31 |
| ExTechOp | Looking forward to seeing some progress on that front, I've had the phone sitting on a shelf already for quite some time :-/ | 08:32 |
| rainemak | ExTechOp, do you have Sailfish OS in it already? | 08:32 |
| ExTechOp | Yes, on Xperia 10 V | 08:32 |
| rainemak | and you're "blocker" has been missing AppSupport? | 08:32 |
| rainemak | your | 08:32 |
| ExTechOp | Basically yes, there are certain Android apps that I need on my daily phone, like Visma Tiima, Epassi, Danske Mobiilipankki, Mobilepay | 08:34 |
| rainemak | or maybe we should say that you're missing some crucial apps that are only available as apks | 08:34 |
| rainemak | ExTechOp, understood | 08:34 |
| ExTechOp | However, getting some very basic things like the charging indicator and fingerprint detection working would also be needed on a daily phone. | 08:35 |
| rainemak | ExTechOp, agree but with Android apps you could already daily drive it | 08:37 |
| rainemak | charging indicator is harmful | 08:37 |
| rainemak | there was that one openrepos app | 08:38 |
| ExTechOp | Indeed I could, though the thing is: I've kinda gotten used to missing echo cancellation on the Xperia 10III (just use headset) | 08:39 |
| ExTechOp | but missing some very basic functionality like this does not really inspire confidence in the long-term future of SFOS | 08:39 |
| nephros | rainemak: https://openrepos.net/content/kozaobecna/battinfo-xperia-10v | 08:40 |
| rainemak | nephros, yeap, that one | 08:41 |
| rainemak | it sounds that we're done for today... let's schedule a next meeting | 08:41 |
| rainemak | #topic Next meeting time and date (2 mins) | 08:42 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "Next meeting time and date (2 mins) (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 27th February 2025)" | 08:42 | |
| rainemak | Proposing Thursday 13th March at 08:00am UTC | 08:42 |
| rainemak | #info Next meeting will be held on Thursday 13th March 2025 at 08:00am UTC: 2025-03-13T0800Z | 08:42 |
| ExTechOp | Works4me | 08:42 |
| rainemak | oops... too quick copy-paste :-) | 08:42 |
| rainemak | but the normal bi-weekly schedule | 08:43 |
| rainemak | thank you all! | 08:43 |
| ExTechOp | Thank you again, everyone! | 08:43 |
| rainemak | #endmeeting | 08:45 |
| sailbot | Meeting ended Thu Feb 27 08:45:16 2025 UTC. | 08:45 |
| sailbot | Minutes: https://irclogs.sailfishos.org/meetings/sailfishos-meeting/2025/sailfishos-meeting.2025-02-27-07.59.html | 08:45 |
| sailbot | Minutes (text): https://irclogs.sailfishos.org/meetings/sailfishos-meeting/2025/sailfishos-meeting.2025-02-27-07.59.txt | 08:45 |
| sailbot | Log: https://irclogs.sailfishos.org/meetings/sailfishos-meeting/2025/sailfishos-meeting.2025-02-27-07.59.log.html | 08:45 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "Next meeting will be held on Thursday 27th February 2025 at 08:00am UTC: 2025-02-27T0800Z" | 08:45 | |
| direc85[m] | Thanks all! | 08:48 |
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