| ExTechOp | Good Morning, everyone! | 07:55 |
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| ViGe | Good Morning! | 07:56 |
| rainemak | #startmeeting Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 13th March 2025 | 08:00 |
| sailbot | Meeting started Thu Mar 13 08:00:32 2025 UTC. The chair is rainemak. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
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| rainemak | #info Meeting information and agenda can be found here: | 08:00 |
| rainemak | #link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/community-meeting-on-13th-march-2025/22380/2 | 08:00 |
| rainemak | I am the meeting's chairperson today, and will be doing my best to keep time and order. Please respect the timings and bee-hive. | 08:00 |
| rainemak | #topic Brief introduction (5 min). Please prefix your name/handle with #info | 08:00 |
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| ExTechOp | #info Otto Mäkelä, community | 08:00 |
| rainemak | Good morning | 08:00 |
| rainemak | #info Raine Mäkeläinen, Jolla | 08:00 |
| ViGe | #info Ville Nummela, Community | 08:01 |
| direc85[m] | #info Matti Viljanen, Jolla | 08:01 |
| direc85[m] | And good morning! | 08:01 |
| abr | #info Andrew Branson, sailing by | 08:02 |
| pvuorela | #info Pekka Vuorela, Jolla | 08:02 |
| rainemak | Alright, let's go then... | 08:04 |
| rainemak | we have one topic today | 08:04 |
| rainemak | #topic Tuning the OOM killer on Xperia 10 III (5 mins -- asked by tuplasuhveli) | 08:04 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "Tuning the OOM killer on Xperia 10 III (5 mins -- asked by tuplasuhveli) (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 13th March 2025)" | 08:04 | |
| rainemak | #info <tuplasuhveli> By default, applications are getting killed quite | 08:05 |
| rainemak | #info <tuplasuhveli> aggressively. However, we have now had over two years to | 08:05 |
| rainemak | #info <tuplasuhveli> test the values suggested by @direc85 [Tuning the oom | 08:05 |
| rainemak | #info <tuplasuhveli> killer / low memory killer - #60 by direc85 5] and | 08:05 |
| rainemak | #info <tuplasuhveli> everyone seems to think they work better than the default | 08:05 |
| rainemak | #info <tuplasuhveli> ones. Therefore, I’m asking, if these values could be used | 08:05 |
| rainemak | #info <tuplasuhveli> by default, so even people who don’t actively read this | 08:05 |
| rainemak | #info <tuplasuhveli> forum and / or are not comfortable with CLI, could enjoy | 08:05 |
| rainemak | #info <tuplasuhveli> a smoother experience on their 10 III. | 08:05 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> Yes, as tuplasuhveli noted about this we have applied these | 08:05 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> default values. | 08:05 |
| rainemak | surely we can further adjust and improve | 08:05 |
| rainemak | Maybe direc85 has something to add as well. | 08:06 |
| rainemak | This could actually be something for the next smaller update <- would you cherry-pick direc85[m] if not already done | 08:06 |
| rainemak | Any opinions? | 08:07 |
| direc85[m] | I indeed used the lowered values on my Xperia 10 III for years without issues, and work is ongoing to make those the default values. | 08:07 |
| rainemak | direc85[m], so changes are not yet integrated? | 08:08 |
| ExTechOp | I've noted that the application killer has indeed gotten more aggressive in the latest releases, and it'd be nice if it weren't quite so. | 08:08 |
| rainemak | ^ I'd say close in any case | 08:08 |
| rainemak | ExTechOp, nope... we haven't touched those values | 08:09 |
| ExTechOp | When were they last changed? | 08:09 |
| rainemak | ^ direc85[m] could you check from the git log? | 08:10 |
| direc85[m] | Not yet, I'll check it next. | 08:10 |
| rainemak | as we do not have other topics, we can extend this by 5mins | 08:11 |
| abr | if other things are taking more memory, then the OOM might appear more aggressive? | 08:14 |
| rainemak | abr, that's correct | 08:14 |
| ExTechOp | Indeed, if the kernel or other parts of the OS have gotten bigger that'd happen. Question: the OOM killer seems such a primitive solution, has anyone worked on anything more sophisticated? | 08:15 |
| piggz[m] | Would zram help? | 08:16 |
| rainemak | ExTechOp, 2022-03-12 time last before this change | 08:16 |
| piggz[m] | Or whatever that compressed swap in ram thing is | 08:16 |
| rainemak | last time | 08:17 |
| rainemak | another 5mins | 08:17 |
| rainemak | ExTechOp, ^ meaning that never changed/updated <- originally introduced with that commit | 08:18 |
| ExTechOp | OK | 08:18 |
| rainemak | anyhow, this could be something for the next minor update as well | 08:19 |
| rainemak | let's move on | 08:19 |
| rainemak | #topic Open PR discussion (15 mins -- asked by Jolla) | 08:19 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "Open PR discussion (15 mins -- asked by Jolla) (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 13th March 2025)" | 08:19 | |
| direc85[m] | The minfree change is now merged internally. | 08:19 |
| piggz[m] | Could i ask if jolla would like to look into adding webauthn to the browser. Its quite a significant security feature these days, and a notable omission. Thinking nfc/usb. | 08:20 |
| piggz[m] | Can wait for generak discussion | 08:21 |
| rainemak | let's have it in general | 08:21 |
| dcaliste | Hello, sorry to be late... | 08:21 |
| rainemak | no worry | 08:21 |
| rainemak | maybe we jump to general discussion | 08:22 |
| rainemak | #topic General discussion (15 mins) | 08:22 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "General discussion (15 mins) (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 13th March 2025)" | 08:22 | |
| rainemak | #info <piggz[m]> Could i ask if jolla would like to look into adding webauthn to the browser. Its quite a significant security feature these days, and a notable omission. Thinking nfc/usb. | 08:22 |
| rainemak | Good point. however, I'm not sure when we'd have time. | 08:23 |
| rainemak | Similarly I've been pondering various privacy related prefs. Anti fingerprinting etc. | 08:23 |
| rainemak | It was recently raised in the forum as well. | 08:23 |
| rainemak | This one https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/enhancing-privacy-in-sailfish-browser/12904 | 08:25 |
| rainemak | 3years old but commented again 3days ago :-) | 08:25 |
| piggz[m] | I have a feature request logged against the browser since last year | 08:25 |
| rainemak | ^ no, 8days ago | 08:25 |
| rainemak | piggz[m], I know | 08:25 |
| rainemak | mal just recently commented about that as well, referring to your report | 08:26 |
| piggz[m] | Probably cos i pinged him about it ;) | 08:27 |
| rainemak | piggz[m], I saw that pattern as well | 08:27 |
| piggz[m] | Ok, maybe a good todo item for when time allows | 08:27 |
| piggz[m] | Second, thought id mention this shameless community effort, https://www.gofundme.com/f/sailfish-os-add-support-for-the-amazfit-gtr4-to-amazfish?attribution_id=sl:7d507dc0-13fa-4731-9bc9-368633e37760&lang=fr_FR&utm_campaign=man_sharesheet_dash&utm_medium=customer&utm_source=copy_link | 08:28 |
| piggz[m] | You buy dev an unsupported watch, and it miraculously gains support | 08:29 |
| rainemak | nb, forum discourse update should be ongoing | 08:29 |
| rainemak | #link https://www.gofundme.com/f/sailfish-os-add-support-for-the-amazfit-gtr4-to-amazfish | 08:31 |
| rainemak | piggz[m], that's nice :-) | 08:31 |
| rainemak | anything else | 08:32 |
| rainemak | one last thing, we're working to get AppSupport available for Xperia 10 IV and 10 V | 08:32 |
| ExTechOp | Looking forward to that, as I've mentioned. | 08:33 |
| rainemak | even without newer blobs | 08:33 |
| rainemak | maybe even this afternoon :-) | 08:33 |
| rainemak | let's schedule next meeting | 08:34 |
| rainemak | #topic Next meeting time and date (2 mins) | 08:34 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "Next meeting time and date (2 mins) (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 13th March 2025)" | 08:34 | |
| rainemak | Proposing Thursday 27th March at 08:00am UTC | 08:34 |
| rainemak | usual cycle | 08:34 |
| ExTechOp | Works4Me | 08:35 |
| rainemak | #info Next meeting will be held on Thursday 27th March 2025 at 08:00am UTC: 2025-03-27T0800Z | 08:36 |
| ExTechOp | Thank you everyone! | 08:36 |
| rainemak | Thanks all! See you at the forum. | 08:36 |
| rainemak | #endmeeting | 08:36 |
| sailbot | Meeting ended Thu Mar 13 08:36:38 2025 UTC. | 08:36 |
| sailbot | Minutes: https://irclogs.sailfishos.org/meetings/sailfishos-meeting/2025/sailfishos-meeting.2025-03-13-08.00.html | 08:36 |
| sailbot | Minutes (text): https://irclogs.sailfishos.org/meetings/sailfishos-meeting/2025/sailfishos-meeting.2025-03-13-08.00.txt | 08:36 |
| sailbot | Log: https://irclogs.sailfishos.org/meetings/sailfishos-meeting/2025/sailfishos-meeting.2025-03-13-08.00.log.html | 08:36 |
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| direc85[m] | Thanks all! | 08:36 |
| piggz[m] | Thx | 08:36 |
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