| rainemak | Good morning | 06:52 |
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| ExTechOp | Good morning, everyone! | 06:52 |
| Fingus | Good morning | 06:53 |
| piesalad[m] | Good morning | 06:54 |
| direc85[m] | Good morning! | 06:55 |
| flypig | Good morning! | 06:58 |
| rainemak | #info Meeting information and agenda can be found here: | 07:00 |
| rainemak | #link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/community-meeting-on-22nd-may-2025/23148 | 07:00 |
| rainemak | I am the meeting's chairperson today, and will be doing my best to keep time and order. Please respect the timings and bee-hive. | 07:00 |
| rainemak | #topic Brief introduction (5 min). Please prefix your name/handle with #info | 07:00 |
| rainemak | #info Raine Mäkeläinen, Jolla | 07:00 |
| Fingus | #info Niels S., Community | 07:00 |
| ExTechOp | #info Otto Mäkelä, | 07:00 |
| direc85[m] | #info Matti Viljanen, Jolla | 07:00 |
| ExTechOp | #info Otto Mäkelä, community | 07:01 |
| piesalad[m] | #info tfinn, Community | 07:01 |
| flypig | #info David Llewellyn-Jones, community | 07:01 |
| rainemak | community leading 4-2 | 07:01 |
| rainemak | Two topics today. In addition, two weeks ago we agreed to have a roadmap checkpoint | 07:04 |
| rainemak | today. Next roadmap checkpoint will be 19th June. I'll try to remind ourselves on | 07:04 |
| rainemak | the next community meeting. | 07:04 |
| rainemak | alright, let's get going | 07:04 |
| rainemak | #topic Sailfish OS roadmap checkpoint (10 mins -- rainemak) | 07:05 |
| rainemak | #info <rainemak> Previous roadmap checkpoint 24th April community meeting. | 07:05 |
| rainemak | #info <rainemak> An update from there as a textual update. | 07:05 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> Following bigger update items that we have on the roadmap. | 07:05 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> Good part of these will likely land to Sailfish OS 5.1. | 07:05 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> Items are not in priority order: | 07:05 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> systemd | 07:05 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> pulseaudio - fixes needed for bluetooth | 07:05 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> python - ready for 5.1 | 07:05 |
| Keto | rainemak: you forgot to startmeeting | 07:05 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> rpm | 07:05 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> openssl | 07:05 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> gcc | 07:05 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> esr102 | 07:05 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> glibc - integrated to 5.1 | 07:05 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> glib2 - integrated to 5.1 | 07:05 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> lvm - integrated to 5.1 | 07:05 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> and tons of other updates. | 07:05 |
| rainemak | shit, I'll replay | 07:05 |
| rainemak | #startmeeting Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 22nd May 2025 | 07:05 |
| sailbot | Meeting started Thu May 22 07:05:52 2025 UTC. The chair is rainemak. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 07:05 |
| sailbot | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. | 07:05 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 22nd May 2025)" | 07:05 | |
| rainemak | #info Meeting information and agenda can be found here: | 07:05 |
| rainemak | #link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/community-meeting-on-22nd-may-2025/23148 | 07:05 |
| rainemak | I am the meeting's chairperson today, and will be doing my best to keep time and order. Please respect the timings and bee-hive. | 07:05 |
| rainemak | #topic Brief introduction (5 min). Please prefix your name/handle with #info | 07:06 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "Brief introduction (5 min). Please prefix your name/handle with #info (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 22nd May 2025)" | 07:06 | |
| rainemak | #info <Fingus> #info Niels S., Community | 07:06 |
| rainemak | #info <ExTechOp> #info Otto Mäkelä, | 07:06 |
| rainemak | #info <direc85[m]> #info Matti Viljanen, Jolla | 07:06 |
| rainemak | #info <ExTechOp> #info Otto Mäkelä, community | 07:06 |
| rainemak | #info <piesalad[m]> #info tfinn, Community | 07:06 |
| rainemak | #info <flypig> #info David Llewellyn-Jones, community | 07:06 |
| rainemak | #info <rainemak> community leading 4-2 | 07:06 |
| rainemak | Two topics today. In addition, two weeks ago we agreed to have a roadmap checkpoint | 07:06 |
| rainemak | today. Next roadmap checkpoint will be 19th June. I'll try to remind ourselves on | 07:06 |
| rainemak | the next community meeting. | 07:06 |
| rainemak | #topic Sailfish OS roadmap checkpoint (10 mins -- rainemak) | 07:06 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "Sailfish OS roadmap checkpoint (10 mins -- rainemak) (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 22nd May 2025)" | 07:06 | |
| rainemak | #info Previous roadmap checkpoint 24th April community meeting. | 07:07 |
| rainemak | #info An update from there as a textual update. | 07:07 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> Following bigger update items that we have on the roadmap. | 07:07 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> Good part of these will likely land to Sailfish OS 5.1. | 07:07 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> Items are not in priority order: | 07:07 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> systemd | 07:07 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> pulseaudio - fixes needed for bluetooth | 07:07 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> python - ready for 5.1 | 07:07 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> rpm | 07:07 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> openssl | 07:07 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> gcc | 07:07 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> esr102 | 07:07 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> glibc - integrated to 5.1 | 07:07 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> glib2 - integrated to 5.1 | 07:07 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> lvm - integrated to 5.1 | 07:07 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> and tons of other updates. | 07:07 |
| rainemak | #info Sailfish OS 5.1 branching somewhere summer time frame | 07:07 |
| rainemak | #info or right after summer break. After branching, we’d need | 07:07 |
| rainemak | #info a month or two for ironing out issues that are blocking | 07:07 |
| rainemak | #info the release. | 07:07 |
| rainemak | #info Gecko sailfishos-esr102 related branches will be availble for | 07:07 |
| rainemak | #info each related repository: gecko-dev, embedlite-components, | 07:07 |
| rainemak | #info qtmozembed, sailfish-components-webview, sailfish-browser. | 07:07 |
| rainemak | #info Gecko's submodule points to mal's fork. During development patches | 07:07 |
| rainemak | #info are applied to git tree. You may see force pushes on these development | 07:07 |
| rainemak | #info branches - be warned. No branches yet for qtmozembed and sailfish-components-webview. | 07:07 |
| rainemak | #link https://github.com/sailfishos/gecko-dev/tree/sailfishos-esr102 | 07:07 |
| rainemak | #link https://github.com/mlehtima/gecko-dev-mirror/commits/sailfishos-esr102/ | 07:07 |
| rainemak | #link https://github.com/sailfishos/embedlite-components/tree/sailfishos-esr102 | 07:07 |
| rainemak | #link https://github.com/sailfishos/qtmozembed/tree/sailfishos-esr102 | 07:07 |
| rainemak | #link https://github.com/sailfishos/sailfish-components-webview/tree/sailfishos-esr102 | 07:07 |
| rainemak | #link https://github.com/sailfishos/sailfish-browser/tree/sailfishos-esr102 | 07:08 |
| flypig | Thanks for sharing these gecko branches; that's really exciting to see. | 07:09 |
| rainemak | Builds fine but not rendering yet. We'll try to get WebRendering pipeline working. | 07:10 |
| dodoradio[m] | has there been anything you can share on the open sourcing of components? | 07:10 |
| flypig | Great work from mal. | 07:10 |
| rainemak | flypig, yeap | 07:10 |
| flypig | Maybe it's not a topic for now, but I'm very curious to hear more about WebRender progress. | 07:11 |
| rainemak | dodoradio[m], not really. Steadily progressing. | 07:12 |
| rainemak | flypig, we could have WebRender update as a topic for the next meeting or the next community newsletter | 07:13 |
| rainemak | maybe it's a topic more for the community meeting | 07:13 |
| dodoradio[m] | ok, that's still good to hear, and the transparency about planned component updates is really appreciated! | 07:13 |
| rainemak | dodoradio[m], thanks | 07:13 |
| flypig | rainemak, that would be great. I can submit a topic for the meeting if that would be appropriate? | 07:13 |
| rainemak | flypig, yes sure, please do | 07:14 |
| flypig | 👍 (thumbsup) | 07:14 |
| rainemak | next one is a topic from Fingus | 07:15 |
| rainemak | #topic Percentage display of Jolla C2 battery (10 mins -- Fingus) | 07:15 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "Percentage display of Jolla C2 battery (10 mins -- Fingus) (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 22nd May 2025)" | 07:15 | |
| rainemak | #info <Fingus> The battery calibration of the percentage display on the Jolla C2 | 07:15 |
| rainemak | #info <Fingus> has a strange mapping/positive shifting. While the system shows | 07:15 |
| rainemak | #info <Fingus> 100% battery at “end” of charging, it sometimes continues to charge | 07:15 |
| rainemak | #info <Fingus> at 400mA and decreasing for 10-30 minutes until its really “full” | 07:15 |
| rainemak | #info <Fingus> - the System recognized that correctly then. When the | 07:15 |
| rainemak | #info <Fingus> battery-level falls below 20%, it drops very quickly (only a few | 07:15 |
| rainemak | #info <Fingus> minutes remain). The voltage of the battery is then 3.6 volts or | 07:15 |
| rainemak | #info <Fingus> lower, which indicates a miscalibration. Here in the forum, there | 07:15 |
| rainemak | #info <Fingus> are already some who have also observed and reported this. I do | 07:15 |
| rainemak | #info <Fingus> not consider this to be a hardware fault, as the battery voltages | 07:15 |
| rainemak | #info <Fingus> are within the permissible parameters. I could imagine it is | 07:15 |
| rainemak | #info <Fingus> defined in the device adaptation. Is there a way for you to easily | 07:15 |
| rainemak | #info <Fingus> change this mapping? Or its up to Reeder to change it in the | 07:15 |
| rainemak | #info <Fingus> Firmware/Driver? | 07:15 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> Internal bug report filed regarding this as well. Maybe something | 07:15 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> wrong in the calibration. Needs more investigation. | 07:15 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> Both nephros and affe_null posted good pointers to the forum. | 07:15 |
| rainemak | #link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/community-meeting-on-22nd-may-2025/23148/3 | 07:15 |
| rainemak | #link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/community-meeting-on-22nd-may-2025/23148/4 | 07:15 |
| Fingus | I would like to add: Observation on my Jolla C2: If the display currently shows 20% battery level, it actually corresponds to a true 5% battery level at the lower end of the battery discharge. At the upper end, when 100% is displayed, it is more like a real 96% battery level, as approximately 140mAh (3,5% of the 4000mAh battery-capacity) are often still being charged into the battery before the charging c | 07:16 |
| Fingus | This inaccurate battery display caused issues for some Jolla C2 users during setup (the device shut down during encryption). By now, security mechanisms have been implemented via an update (the battery level must have a minimum charge, and the charger must be connected). Nevertheless, it would be less confusing if a 20% battery display meant more than 5 minutes of runtime, as is common with other smartpho | 07:17 |
| Fingus | In my case, I don't consider it a hardware issue, as I can get 1.5 to 2 days of use on a single charge with normal usage before needing to recharge which is really great. | 07:18 |
| rainemak | We are hearing you Fingus and very good analysis | 07:18 |
| Fingus | Thanks for tracking it | 07:18 |
| rainemak | I'm also very glad about of the low power consumption but I'm still charging like daily -- old habits die hard | 07:19 |
| rainemak | s/about// | 07:19 |
| Fingus | Yeah, it will increase the battery life i guess | 07:20 |
| direc85[m] | The battery life is very good for me as well, and I too keep the battery quite well charged. I don't think I even noticed about the sudden power-off until I read about it on the forum. | 07:20 |
| rainemak | And it's good to enable that "Battery ageing protection" | 07:21 |
| rainemak | ^ like stop charging at 90% | 07:21 |
| Fingus | direct85: I suspect many people charge the battery when it is still above 20%. | 07:22 |
| rainemak | 3mins to go | 07:22 |
| direc85[m] | I typically have the phone connected via USB, so the treshold is nice to have. | 07:22 |
| direc85[m] | Fingus: My anxiety starts to kick in at around 30% :) | 07:23 |
| nephros_ | Batterybuddy charger connected detection is wonky though. It can detect "Charging=yes + Charger not connected" sometimes. | 07:23 |
| Fingus | direct85: For me its 25% and under | 07:24 |
| rainemak | let's move on | 07:25 |
| rainemak | #topic When the video recording in Jolla Camera will be added for C2??? (5 mins -- Valorsogueriero97) | 07:25 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "When the video recording in Jolla Camera will be added for C2??? (5 mins -- Valorsogueriero97) (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 22nd May 2025)" | 07:25 | |
| rainemak | #info <Valorsogueriero97> I think, have read that the C2 can’t yet natively record | 07:25 |
| rainemak | #info <Valorsogueriero97> video, and it’s pretty… absurd. When this will be | 07:25 |
| rainemak | #info <Valorsogueriero97> fixed? When we will have complete hw support for the | 07:25 |
| rainemak | #info <Valorsogueriero97> C2? Otherwise I am not buying it :slight_smile: | 07:25 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> Getting video recording working requires that we're able to | 07:25 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> swap from Camera 1 to Camera 2 API. Unfortunately, Camera 2 API | 07:25 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> is not yet there. Worth noting that Camera 2 API is developed | 07:25 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> jointly with the Sailfish OS community and you have | 07:25 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> been pushing it forward very well -- we just do not have hands | 07:25 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> for everything. That said, Camera 2 API is not necessarily too | 07:25 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> far away given that there are no surprises. It's ready when it | 07:25 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> is ready. | 07:25 |
| rainemak | #link https://github.com/sailfishos/droidmedia/issues?q=is%3Aissue%20state%3Aopen%20label%3Acamera2 | 07:25 |
| direc85[m] | nephros: Hm, they are separately tracked values iirc. Feel free to file a bug about it :) | 07:26 |
| Fingus | I'm using OpenCamera within App-Support do record Videos. I can choose there Camera API 2.0, is that real working? | 07:26 |
| rainemak | let's continue battery discussion in the general if something left | 07:26 |
| Fingus | In many Sony smartphones I have used, the percentage increase up to 99% is consistent, and then the last 1% takes a very long time. 100% corresponds to the status of being fully charged, and no charging current flows into the battery anymore. | 07:28 |
| rainemak | Usually it goes so that same resources are shared between developing different features, one could ask whether you'd like to have updated browser engine or Camera 2 API. These kind of things we need to prioritize. It should go without saying that also within context of esr102 development we'd like to develop that with you together. | 07:28 |
| Fingus | Maybe this behavior could be adapted for the Jolla C2. | 07:29 |
| rainemak | let's continue battery discussion in the general discussion at the end | 07:29 |
| Fingus | ok | 07:30 |
| rainemak | #topic Open PR discussion (5 mins -- asked by Jolla) | 07:30 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "Open PR discussion (5 mins -- asked by Jolla) (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 22nd May 2025)" | 07:30 | |
| rainemak | anybody? | 07:31 |
| flypig | It was great to see all the PR progress in the repository roundup last week. | 07:34 |
| rainemak | yeap, surely it was a longer time frame | 07:35 |
| rainemak | let's move to general discussion and back to battery :-) | 07:35 |
| rainemak | #topic General discussion (15 mins) | 07:35 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "General discussion (15 mins) (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 22nd May 2025)" | 07:35 | |
| rainemak | Very likely most of you noticed already... but | 07:36 |
| rainemak | #info Jolla C2 kernel available in GitHub’s Sailfish OS Adaptation Repositories | 07:36 |
| rainemak | #link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/jolla-c2-kernel-available-in-githubs-sailfish-os-adaptation-repositories/23249 | 07:36 |
| nephros_ | Seeing the pulseaudio update on the roadmap: has a move to pipewire been considered or looked into ever? | 07:37 |
| rainemak | nephros_, has been looked at point. It's a bigger effort as there are a lot of resource policies that are quite mobile specific | 07:38 |
| rainemak | nephros_, the last time we checked none of those existed | 07:38 |
| nephros_ | rainemak: that's precisely what I have been wondering - can the policystuff maybe be repplaced by wireplumber schripting. | 07:38 |
| rainemak | nephros_, maybe, I don't know | 07:40 |
| rainemak | Fingus, direc85[m] : did you had still something on the battery levels that you'd like to discuss | 07:41 |
| Fingus | rainemak: From my side, everything has been said. | 07:42 |
| nephros_ | ok thanks for the answer (but do look into it again once Mozilla gets to the release where it uses it vo video) | 07:42 |
| nephros_ | *for | 07:42 |
| direc85[m] | rainemak: Nothing more to add from me | 07:42 |
| rainemak | nephros_, thanks | 07:42 |
| rainemak | we'll try to remember that | 07:43 |
| dcaliste | rainemak, thanks for the pointer on the kernel sources and adaptation repos for C2. | 07:43 |
| rainemak | dcaliste, you're welcome | 07:44 |
| rainemak | if there you have interest to contribute to esr102, we're all open | 07:46 |
| rainemak | if you have interest to contribute to esr102, we're all open | 07:46 |
| dcaliste | How is the process for esr102 different from what flypig published in his blog series ? I mean to build from the repos… | 07:47 |
| rainemak | Something similar to flypig's esr91 diary would be awesome -- I still cannot get how did you flypig managed to do it | 07:47 |
| rainemak | dcaliste, I think that getting esr102 building was a smoother ride when comparing to esr91 | 07:48 |
| rainemak | dcaliste, but similar steps as with esr91 are waiting for us | 07:49 |
| flypig | There's a rust update required, if I saw correctly? Is that easy to handle with the SDK? | 07:50 |
| dcaliste | Great, I may give it a try then, if I find enough time for it ! | 07:50 |
| rainemak | mal commented something about rust-cbindgen at point but I don't recall others | 07:50 |
| direc85[m] | Rust 1.75 can build up to Firefox 123, so we're covered for a while: https://firefox-source-docs.mozilla.org/writing-rust-code/update-policy.html#schedule | 07:51 |
| flypig | I guess this was the change I was thinking of (from the roundup): https://github.com/sailfishos/gecko-dev/pull/173 | 07:52 |
| rainemak | Yeap | 07:53 |
| direc85[m] | flypig, you were faster to find that :) | 07:53 |
| flypig | But the change is on the gecko side, so not making the build more complex; that was my mistake. | 07:53 |
| rainemak | no worry | 07:53 |
| rainemak | shall we schedule next meeting... | 07:53 |
| rainemak | #topic Next meeting time and date (2 mins) | 07:53 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "Next meeting time and date (2 mins) (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 22nd May 2025)" | 07:53 | |
| flypig | direc85[m] :D I went via dcaliste's report in the newsletter! | 07:54 |
| rainemak | flypig, that's so handy at time | 07:54 |
| rainemak | s | 07:54 |
| flypig | Absolutely! | 07:54 |
| rainemak | Proposing Thursday 5th June at 07:00am UTC | 07:54 |
| rainemak | the usual interval | 07:54 |
| flypig | Looks good! | 07:54 |
| ExTechOp | Works4me | 07:55 |
| Fingus | Thank you for this great meeting, by the way, it was my first! | 07:55 |
| rainemak | settled | 07:55 |
| rainemak | Fingus, ah, I didn't realize as you're active at the forum | 07:56 |
| flypig | Great contributions Fingus; glad you're here! | 07:56 |
| rainemak | Fingus, nice to have you here | 07:56 |
| rainemak | flypig, +1 | 07:56 |
| rainemak | #info Next meeting will be held on Thursday 5th June 2025 at 07:00am UTC: 2025-06-05T0700Z | 07:57 |
| ExTechOp | Thank you, everyone! | 07:57 |
| Fingus | rainemak: These meetings have a different quality in real-time. | 07:57 |
| rainemak | Thank you everybody! Fingus please join in two weeks as well. | 07:57 |
| Fingus | rainemak: i try to do so | 07:57 |
| rainemak | Great! | 07:57 |
| flypig | Thanks rainemak for the great hosting! | 07:58 |
| rainemak | #endmeeting | 07:58 |
| sailbot | Meeting ended Thu May 22 07:58:30 2025 UTC. | 07:58 |
| sailbot | Minutes: https://irclogs.sailfishos.org/meetings/sailfishos-meeting/2025/sailfishos-meeting.2025-05-22-07.05.html | 07:58 |
| sailbot | Minutes (text): https://irclogs.sailfishos.org/meetings/sailfishos-meeting/2025/sailfishos-meeting.2025-05-22-07.05.txt | 07:58 |
| sailbot | Log: https://irclogs.sailfishos.org/meetings/sailfishos-meeting/2025/sailfishos-meeting.2025-05-22-07.05.log.html | 07:58 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "Next meeting will be held on Thursday 22nd May 2025 at 07:00am UTC: 2025-05-22T0700Z" | 07:58 | |
| direc85[m] | Thanks everybody! | 07:58 |
| flypig | Thanks all! | 07:58 |
| Fingus | Thank you all | 07:59 |
| Fingus | Goodbye | 08:01 |
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