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| ExTechOp | Hello, everyone! | 15:55 |
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| direc85[m] | Hello! | 15:56 |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: +o rainemak | 15:57 | |
| rainemak | hello all from Slush | 15:58 |
| abr | o/ | 15:59 |
| ExTechOp | Oh, we'll need to hear the best stories from Slush! | 15:59 |
| rainemak | #startmeeting Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 20th November 2025 | 16:00 |
| sailbot | Meeting started Thu Nov 20 16:00:01 2025 UTC. The chair is rainemak. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| sailbot | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. | 16:00 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 20th November 2025)" | 16:00 | |
| rainemak | #info Meeting information and agenda can be found here: | 16:00 |
| rainemak | #link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/25457 | 16:00 |
| rainemak | I am the meeting's chairperson today, and will be doing my best to keep time and order. Please respect the timings and bee-hive. | 16:00 |
| rainemak | #topic Brief introduction (5 min). Please prefix your name/handle with #info | 16:00 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "Brief introduction (5 min). Please prefix your name/handle with #info (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 20th November 2025)" | 16:00 | |
| ExTechOp | #info Otto Mäkelä, community | 16:00 |
| rainemak | #info Raine Mäkeläinen, Jolla | 16:00 |
| Nico | #info Nico, community | 16:00 |
| mal | #info mal, Jolla | 16:00 |
| rainemak | We have two topics today. Please keep on asking and raising topics on forum. | 16:00 |
| rainemak | great mal that you were able to join | 16:00 |
| Keto | #info Pami Ketolainen, Jolla | 16:01 |
| filip | #info Filip, community | 16:01 |
| direc85[m] | #info Matti Viljanen, Jolla | 16:01 |
| nephros | #info Peter G., community | 16:01 |
| nephros | Hi all! | 16:01 |
| filip | o/ | 16:02 |
| abr | #info Andrew Branson, sailing by | 16:04 |
| rainemak | #topic Opensourcing the sailfish-compositor poc (10 mins -- pasik) | 16:05 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "Opensourcing the sailfish-compositor poc (10 mins -- pasik) (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 20th November 2025)" | 16:05 | |
| rainemak | #info <pasik> As discussed in the Nov 6th 2025 Community meeting there exists a | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #info <pasik> poc of a separate sailfish-compositor (done as a hobby project by | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #info <pasik> one of the sailors), which adds more modern wayland features | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #info <pasik> /protocols (eg. xdg-shell support) to sailfishos. It would be really | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #info <pasik> nice if this poc was opensourced to allow community participation in | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #info <pasik> development and testing, as getting the sailfish compositor to | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #info <pasik> support xdg-shell and other modern wayland protocols is really | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #info <pasik> important to get more native apps and frameworks working properly in | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #info <pasik> sailfishos. What are Jolla’s plans about this? | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> To clarify discussion from 6th Nov, Sailfish-compositor and the | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> mentioned Weston based compositor for Sailfish are two different | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> things. Conceptually this kind of hobby projects are projects of the | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> author. So, it’s not really Jolla’s plans on this matter. | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> Having said that, yes it would be nice to have that Weston based | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> compositor proto / demo available as an open source. However, we | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> cannot proceed with that too quickly. | 16:05 |
| rainemak | In any case, prototyping xdg-shell would be nice | 16:06 |
| rinigus | it would be. as a community, we could also use qt6/lipstick in principle and make OSS version. but it is not trivial and would require some effort. | 16:09 |
| nephros | There have been some mentioned of other possible compositors beside weston. Is there a particular reason that Weston is preferred? | 16:09 |
| Nico | Usualy wlr or something was quite widely used, right? | 16:10 |
| rainemak | nephros, not really. It actually might be that wl roots could be better | 16:10 |
| dcaliste | #info Damien Caliste, community | 16:11 |
| rainemak | just that it would be widely enough used | 16:11 |
| rainemak | but also that we really cannot have x11 dependencies there in the used toolkits | 16:13 |
| rainemak | let's move on | 16:14 |
| rainemak | #topic sailfish-browser esr102 status (10 mins -- pasik) | 16:15 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "sailfish-browser esr102 status (10 mins -- pasik) (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 20th November 2025)" | 16:15 | |
| rainemak | #info <pasik> What’s the latest status on updating the sailfish-browser to gecko | 16:15 |
| rainemak | #info <pasik> esr102 ? I believe earlier there was issues getting the new | 16:15 |
| rainemak | #info <pasik> webrender code working on sailfishos. Is that still the main | 16:15 |
| rainemak | #info <pasik> remaining issue? Is there something the community could/should help | 16:15 |
| rainemak | #info <pasik> with? | 16:15 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> Rendering is still the main issue in esr102 code at the moment. | 16:15 |
| Nico | More and more pages are breaking at this point in the current browser version sadly... But you are no doubt aware of that :) | 16:16 |
| rainemak | Yeah, we're following it quite closely | 16:17 |
| Nico | I guess nobody has anything to add on that topic? | 16:19 |
| rainemak | I guess so | 16:20 |
| rainemak | Let's move on | 16:20 |
| rainemak | #topic Open Pull Requests (PRs) to discussion (5 mins -- asked by Jolla) | 16:20 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "Open Pull Requests (PRs) to discussion (5 mins -- asked by Jolla) (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 20th November 2025)" | 16:20 | |
| Nico | Not a PR, but has anybody tried to build the weather app with the normal sfdk? I ran into some issues around translations with that (and then got sidetracked reading about weather APIs). What does Jolla use to build stuff like that? | 16:21 |
| rainemak | Nico, you need to comment two lines out from the spec | 16:22 |
| Nico | Yeah, I did figure that out | 16:22 |
| Nico | Oh, there actually seems to be a PR for a different weather provider now! https://github.com/sailfishos/sailfish-weather/pull/2 | 16:23 |
| Keto | fixing those translation dependencies is on my todo list :) | 16:23 |
| nephros | ... or create a dummy RPM which Provides: the missing translation package. That cen then be reused in other jolla-projects as well | 16:23 |
| rainemak | Thanks Keto | 16:24 |
| rainemak | alright, let's move to the general discussion | 16:24 |
| rainemak | #topic General discussion (10 mins or something) | 16:24 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "General discussion (10 mins or something) (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 20th November 2025)" | 16:24 | |
| Nico | Sounds good, wasn't too large a hurdle to cross, but it did make me wonder what workflow Jolla sailors use :) | 16:24 |
| Nico | I guess it is quiet today, must be the darkness and slush getting to people | 16:26 |
| nephros | Here's another interesting library re: xdg_shell support: https://github.com/winft/wrapland/ | 16:26 |
| rainemak | sounds silent indeed | 16:29 |
| ExTechOp | Any good stuff you'd like share from Slush? | 16:30 |
| Nico | Oh, slush is an actual event, I thought you were talking about partially molten snow! | 16:31 |
| rainemak | Busy two days here in side event | 16:31 |
| ExTechOp | Slush has grown a lot, I remember when it was just a small thing at Kaapelitehdas, now they have the expo center https://slush.org/ | 16:33 |
| rainemak | Yeap | 16:34 |
| rainemak | Alright, let's schedule next meeting | 16:35 |
| rainemak | #topic Next meeting time and date (2 mins) | 16:35 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "Next meeting time and date (2 mins) (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 20th November 2025)" | 16:35 | |
| rainemak | Proposing Thursday 4th December at 04:00 PM UTC | 16:35 |
| ExTechOp | The standard time seems appropriate. | 16:35 |
| rainemak | right before Finnish independence day | 16:36 |
| ExTechOp | Which is on Saturday this year, not that close really. | 16:36 |
| rainemak | it's relative | 16:36 |
| rainemak | #info Next meeting will be held on Thursday 4th December 2025 at 04:00pm UTC: 2025-12-04T1600Z | 16:37 |
| rainemak | thank you all! | 16:37 |
| rainemak | #endmeeting | 16:37 |
| sailbot | Meeting ended Thu Nov 20 16:37:19 2025 UTC. | 16:37 |
| sailbot | Minutes: https://irclogs.sailfishos.org/meetings/sailfishos-meeting/2025/sailfishos-meeting.2025-11-20-16.00.html | 16:37 |
| sailbot | Minutes (text): https://irclogs.sailfishos.org/meetings/sailfishos-meeting/2025/sailfishos-meeting.2025-11-20-16.00.txt | 16:37 |
| sailbot | Log: https://irclogs.sailfishos.org/meetings/sailfishos-meeting/2025/sailfishos-meeting.2025-11-20-16.00.log.html | 16:37 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "Next meeting will be held on November 20th 2025 at 04:00pm UTC: 2025-11-20T1600Z" | 16:37 | |
| direc85[m] | Thanks! | 16:37 |
| ExTechOp | Thank you, everyone! | 16:37 |
| *** rainemak changes topic to "set #sailfishos-meeting topic Next meeting will be held on December 4th 2025 at 04:00pm UTC: 2025-12-04T1600Z" | 16:37 | |
| dcaliste | Thanks. | 16:38 |
| Nico | Thank you! :) | 16:38 |
| filip | thank you!! | 16:38 |
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