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| rainemak | #startmeeting Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 11th September 2025 | 16:00 |
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| sailbot | Meeting started Thu Sep 11 16:00:05 2025 UTC. The chair is rainemak. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| sailbot | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. | 16:00 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 11th September 2025)" | 16:00 | |
| rainemak | #info Meeting information and agenda can be found here: | 16:00 |
| rainemak | #link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/community-meeting-on-11th-september-2025/24644 | 16:00 |
| rainemak | I am the meeting's chairperson today, and will be doing my best to keep time and order. Please respect the timings and bee-hive. | 16:00 |
| rainemak | #topic Brief introduction (5 min). Please prefix your name/handle with #info | 16:00 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "Brief introduction (5 min). Please prefix your name/handle with #info (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 11th September 2025)" | 16:00 | |
| ExTechOp | Good evening/whatever everyone! | 16:00 |
| rainemak | Good evening! | 16:00 |
| rainemak | #info Raine Mäkeläinen, Jolla | 16:00 |
| ExTechOp | #info Otto Mäkelä, community | 16:00 |
| direc85[m] | #info Matti Viljanen, Jolla | 16:00 |
| direc85[m] | Good evening! | 16:00 |
| Keto | #info Pami Ketolainen, Jolla | 16:02 |
| rainemak | We have one topic today. | 16:03 |
| pherjung[m] | #info pherjung, community | 16:03 |
| attah | #info attah, community, late | 16:04 |
| FireFly | #info FireFly, community, also late | 16:04 |
| rainemak | not really... just in time | 16:04 |
| Nico | #info Nico, community | 16:04 |
| rainemak | let's get started | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #topic Adding Volte configuration (5 mins -- crun) | 16:05 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "Adding Volte configuration (5 mins -- crun) (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 11th September 2025)" | 16:05 | |
| rainemak | #info <crun> At year end there will be no SF device that can make calls due to 3G shutdown. | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #info <crun> There is no SF device with 4G Volte configured. Sony do not include | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #info <crun> any config for markets they do not retail into. (Appalling for a | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #info <crun> “global” brand really) | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #info <crun> | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #info <crun> I am fairly sure that the required config info can be obtained from | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #info <crun> the carriers. | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #info <crun> | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #info <crun> What is the process for adding a carrier config? | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #info <crun> | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #info <crun> Does it require a Qualcomm encryption key and qualcomm sdk? | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #info <crun> | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #info <crun> Does is require Sony’s key? Can only Sony do it? | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #info <crun> | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #info <crun> Can Jolla do it? | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #info <crun> | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #info <crun> Can users do it? | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #info <crun> (My phone is X10III) | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #info <crun> | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #info <crun> Will/are Jolla’s own phones be similarly unable to work outside | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #info <crun> europe? | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #info <crun> | 16:06 |
| rainemak | #info <crun> Can they roam globally? | 16:06 |
| rainemak | Yeah, 3G networks are shutting down globally. Hard to say, would carrier provide configurations. | 16:06 |
| rainemak | #link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/volte-on-the-xperia-10-ii-filling-in-the-gaps/12322 | 16:06 |
| rainemak | A link from the past. | 16:06 |
| attah | Is that link applicable at all for the III? | 16:07 |
| Nico | I don't think so | 16:07 |
| Nico | Only the II used those manual configs, iirc | 16:07 |
| attah | And for the III does anything at all similar exist? | 16:07 |
| attah | (that is what i understood to be the core of the question) | 16:07 |
| legacychimera247 | hello, 247, long time sf user | 16:08 |
| rainemak | Similar hacking can be done for IV afair | 16:08 |
| Nico | I thought the 10III didn't need that | 16:09 |
| rainemak | When it comes to Sony, it's more complex. Qualcomm even more so. | 16:09 |
| rainemak | Surely having more mobile bands and broader support is a good target for us. | 16:10 |
| ExTechOp | I think the most important question by crun is, will there be working Sailfish devices in that region once 3G shuts down? | 16:11 |
| rainemak | Jolla C2 has following LTE frequency bands supported by the modem | 16:11 |
| rainemak | LTE Band 1 (1900 & 2100 MHz) | 16:11 |
| rainemak | LTE Band 3 (1700 & 1800 MHz) | 16:11 |
| rainemak | LTE Band 7 (2500 & 2600 MHz) | 16:11 |
| rainemak | LTE Band 20 (800 MHz) | 16:11 |
| ExTechOp | And the software? | 16:11 |
| attah | Right... but i think the 10 II he had was kind of OK band-wise; it was just VoLTE config that was lacking | 16:12 |
| attah | *III | 16:12 |
| rainemak | attah, correct | 16:13 |
| pherjung[m] | How does it look for other distributions (postmarketOS or Ubuntu touch)? Wouldn't be possible to collabare to get more configs? | 16:13 |
| rainemak | ExTechOp, that's surely a target | 16:13 |
| attah | They only have VoLTE on modems that have it more integrated presumably | 16:13 |
| attah | SFOS manages to squeeze out VoLTE from a few more than the rest of the bunch does | 16:14 |
| ExTechOp | rainemak So, no, at this point? | 16:14 |
| rainemak | pherjung[m], there are more and more things buried deep in side modem. My feeling is that this requires collab with ODM. | 16:15 |
| mal | afaik the qmi ims is supported for mainline, at least I remember something like that from my mainline hobby projects | 16:15 |
| rainemak | I'm not sure do we have much more to provide at this stage. | 16:17 |
| rainemak | Let's move on | 16:17 |
| mal | but it seems the project is using modemmanager not ofono | 16:17 |
| rainemak | #topic Open Pull Requests (PRs) to discussion (5 mins -- asked by Jolla) | 16:17 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "Open Pull Requests (PRs) to discussion (5 mins -- asked by Jolla) (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 11th September 2025)" | 16:17 | |
| nephros | #info nephros, community, very late to the party! | 16:18 |
| rainemak | I don't have any | 16:20 |
| attah | Haven't seen any either | 16:20 |
| rainemak | Alright, let's move to General discussion | 16:21 |
| rainemak | #topic General discussion (10 mins) | 16:21 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "General discussion (10 mins) (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 11th September 2025)" | 16:21 | |
| attah | Any news on VoLTE for IV/V? | 16:22 |
| Nico | You really missed out on giving people fancy badges for their subscriptions! So much range for competition! Twitter made money with a checkmark after all! | 16:22 |
| ExTechOp | attah +1 | 16:23 |
| nephros | Someone on the Forums asked whether subscriptions would be tied to Jolla accounts in some way. Are there any plans for something like that? | 16:23 |
| CLMA31[m] | Very late to party.... amazing that Jolla added the voluntary donations! The topic that was raised in the forum was question regarding if there could be larger sums also included? Or possibility to add "other sum" field etc? | 16:23 |
| Nico | Also my cell broadcast didn't work today, let's see, if it works next year after that dbus magic (if I don't break my phone again) | 16:23 |
| rainemak | nephros, not at the moment | 16:24 |
| rainemak | CLMA31[m], there's quantity as well. So, you can do 9.90€ x 10 if you like. | 16:25 |
| CLMA31[m] | Ah, I didn't think about that! Amazing, no further question | 16:25 |
| Nico | Same, too smart for me :D | 16:26 |
| attah | Nothing on XIDL conversion progress in general? | 16:27 |
| rainemak | mal, do you have anything for attah ? | 16:27 |
| mal | well gps and sensor changes have PRs, nfc was already merged, volte is wip | 16:28 |
| attah | "work" and "progress" are good words :) | 16:28 |
| CLMA31[m] | Are there any possible proximitle updates regarding 5.1 update? Or regarding the ESR102? No need for date, more like do they seem likely this year? | 16:28 |
| nephros | Nico: what dbus magic is related to CB Messages? | 16:31 |
| rainemak | CLMA31[m], nothing really to update in that front. That said, we do have quite a bit of package updates in 5.1. already. | 16:31 |
| mal | esr102 still doesn't render webpages, the webrender pipeline is quite different from the old one so debugging is difficult | 16:32 |
| Nico | nephros: https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/is-there-any-way-to-disable-cell-broadcast-messages/12470/12 | 16:33 |
| mal | somehow the frames don't end up being processed correctly in the code that should be drawing those to screen and once enough have failed it stops the rendering thread | 16:33 |
| attah | Can derps like me build ESR102 already, or di i need to wait for 5.1 sdk? | 16:34 |
| CLMA31[m] | Thanks for update! | 16:34 |
| mal | it's possible to build but needs 2 or 3 dependencies to be updated first locally, at least rust-cbindgen and icu | 16:35 |
| mal | I think it might even build with older icu | 16:35 |
| attah | Sounds almost manageable :) | 16:35 |
| mal | I had some workaround patch there for that | 16:35 |
| attah | For the "C3" thread - is the term eMMC being used loosely, or did you accidentally almost leak the platform? | 16:36 |
| mal | I haven't pushed very latest code to github, I'll need to check that | 16:36 |
| attah | :) | 16:36 |
| rainemak | attah, internal storage is eMMC nothing more in that | 16:36 |
| rainemak | business as usual | 16:37 |
| rainemak | It looks that general discussion has been covered as well | 16:38 |
| rainemak | moving on | 16:38 |
| rainemak | #topic Next meeting time and date (5 mins) | 16:38 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "Next meeting time and date (5 mins) (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 11th September 2025)" | 16:38 | |
| rainemak | Proposing Thursday 25th September at 04:00 PM UTC | 16:38 |
| ExTechOp | works4me | 16:40 |
| Nico | I might not make it, since I am travelling at the time but don't mind me :3 | 16:40 |
| rainemak | no worry Nico, logs available as usual | 16:41 |
| rainemak | #info Next meeting will be held on Thursday 25th September 2025 at 04:00pm UTC: 2025-09-25T1600Z | 16:41 |
| rainemak | let's cover that one late question in the next meeting. | 16:41 |
| rainemak | thank you all! | 16:41 |
| attah | thank you :) | 16:41 |
| Nico | See ya! | 16:41 |
| ExTechOp | Thank you, everyone! | 16:42 |
| rainemak | #endmeeting | 16:42 |
| sailbot | Meeting ended Thu Sep 11 16:42:07 2025 UTC. | 16:42 |
| sailbot | Minutes: https://irclogs.sailfishos.org/meetings/sailfishos-meeting/2025/sailfishos-meeting.2025-09-11-16.00.html | 16:42 |
| sailbot | Minutes (text): https://irclogs.sailfishos.org/meetings/sailfishos-meeting/2025/sailfishos-meeting.2025-09-11-16.00.txt | 16:42 |
| sailbot | Log: https://irclogs.sailfishos.org/meetings/sailfishos-meeting/2025/sailfishos-meeting.2025-09-11-16.00.log.html | 16:42 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "Next meeting will be held on September 11th 2025 at 04:00pm UTC: 2025-09-11T1600Z" | 16:42 | |
| *** rainemak changes topic to "Next meeting will be held on September 25th 2025 at 04:00pm UTC: 2025-09-25T1600Z" | 16:42 | |
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