Thursday, 2025-09-11

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rainemak#startmeeting Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 11th September 202516:00
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rainemak#info Meeting information and agenda can be found here:16:00
rainemak#link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/community-meeting-on-11th-september-2025/2464416:00
rainemakI am the meeting's chairperson today, and will be doing my best to keep time and order. Please respect the timings and bee-hive.16:00
rainemak#topic Brief introduction (5 min). Please prefix your name/handle with #info16:00
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ExTechOpGood evening/whatever everyone!16:00
rainemakGood evening!16:00
rainemak#info Raine Mäkeläinen, Jolla16:00
ExTechOp#info Otto Mäkelä, community16:00
direc85[m]#info Matti Viljanen, Jolla16:00
direc85[m]Good evening!16:00
Keto#info Pami Ketolainen, Jolla16:02
rainemakWe have one topic today.16:03
pherjung[m]#info pherjung, community16:03
attah#info attah, community, late16:04
FireFly#info FireFly, community, also late16:04
rainemaknot really... just in time16:04
Nico#info Nico, community16:04
rainemaklet's get started16:05
rainemak#topic Adding Volte configuration (5 mins -- crun)16:05
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rainemak#info <crun> At year end there will be no SF device that can make calls due to 3G shutdown.16:05
rainemak#info <crun> There is no SF device with 4G Volte configured. Sony do not include16:05
rainemak#info <crun> any config for markets they do not retail into. (Appalling for a16:05
rainemak#info <crun> “global” brand really)16:05
rainemak#info <crun>16:05
rainemak#info <crun> I am fairly sure that the required config info can be obtained from16:05
rainemak#info <crun> the carriers.16:05
rainemak#info <crun>16:05
rainemak#info <crun> What is the process for adding a carrier config?16:05
rainemak#info <crun>16:05
rainemak#info <crun> Does it require a Qualcomm encryption key and qualcomm sdk?16:05
rainemak#info <crun>16:05
rainemak#info <crun> Does is require Sony’s key? Can only Sony do it?16:05
rainemak#info <crun>16:05
rainemak#info <crun> Can Jolla do it?16:05
rainemak#info <crun>16:05
rainemak#info <crun> Can users do it?16:05
rainemak#info <crun> (My phone is X10III)16:05
rainemak#info <crun>16:05
rainemak#info <crun> Will/are Jolla’s own phones be similarly unable to work outside16:05
rainemak#info <crun> europe?16:05
rainemak#info <crun>16:06
rainemak#info <crun> Can they roam globally?16:06
rainemakYeah, 3G networks are shutting down globally. Hard to say, would carrier provide configurations.16:06
rainemak#link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/volte-on-the-xperia-10-ii-filling-in-the-gaps/1232216:06
rainemakA link from the past.16:06
attahIs that link applicable at all for the III?16:07
NicoI don't think so16:07
NicoOnly the II used those manual configs, iirc16:07
attahAnd for the III does anything at all similar exist?16:07
attah(that is what i understood to be the core of the question)16:07
legacychimera247hello, 247, long time sf user16:08
rainemakSimilar hacking can be done for IV afair16:08
NicoI thought the 10III didn't need that16:09
rainemakWhen it comes to Sony, it's more complex. Qualcomm even more so.16:09
rainemakSurely having more mobile bands and broader support is a good target for us.16:10
ExTechOpI think the most important question by crun is, will there be working Sailfish devices in that region once 3G shuts down?16:11
rainemakJolla C2 has following LTE frequency bands supported by the modem16:11
rainemak    LTE Band 1 (1900 & 2100 MHz)16:11
rainemak    LTE Band 3 (1700 & 1800 MHz)16:11
rainemak    LTE Band 7 (2500 & 2600 MHz)16:11
rainemak    LTE Band 20 (800 MHz)16:11
ExTechOpAnd the software?16:11
attahRight... but i think the 10 II he had was kind of OK band-wise; it was just VoLTE config that was lacking16:12
attah*III16:12
rainemakattah, correct16:13
pherjung[m]How does it look for other distributions (postmarketOS or Ubuntu touch)? Wouldn't be possible to collabare to get more configs?16:13
rainemakExTechOp, that's surely a target16:13
attahThey only have VoLTE on modems that have it more integrated presumably16:13
attahSFOS manages to squeeze out VoLTE from a few more than the rest of the bunch does16:14
ExTechOprainemak So, no, at this point?16:14
rainemakpherjung[m], there are more and more things buried deep in side modem. My feeling is that this requires collab with ODM.16:15
malafaik the qmi ims is supported for mainline, at least I remember something like that from my mainline hobby projects16:15
rainemakI'm not sure do we have much more to provide at this stage.16:17
rainemakLet's move on16:17
malbut it seems the project is using modemmanager not ofono16:17
rainemak#topic Open Pull Requests (PRs) to discussion (5 mins -- asked by Jolla)16:17
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nephros#info nephros, community, very late to the party!16:18
rainemakI don't have any16:20
attahHaven't seen any either16:20
rainemakAlright, let's move to General discussion16:21
rainemak#topic General discussion (10 mins)16:21
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attahAny news on VoLTE for IV/V?16:22
NicoYou really missed out on giving people fancy badges for their subscriptions! So much range for competition! Twitter made money with a checkmark after all!16:22
ExTechOpattah +116:23
nephrosSomeone on the Forums asked whether subscriptions would be tied to Jolla accounts in some way. Are there any plans for something like that?16:23
CLMA31[m]Very late to party.... amazing that Jolla added the voluntary donations! The topic that was raised in the forum was question regarding if there could be larger sums also included? Or possibility to add "other sum" field etc?16:23
NicoAlso my cell broadcast didn't work today, let's see, if it works next year after that dbus magic (if I don't break my phone again)16:23
rainemaknephros, not at the moment16:24
rainemakCLMA31[m], there's quantity as well. So, you can do 9.90€ x 10 if you like.16:25
CLMA31[m]Ah, I didn't think about that! Amazing, no further question16:25
NicoSame, too smart for me :D16:26
attahNothing on XIDL conversion progress in general?16:27
rainemakmal, do you have anything for attah ?16:27
malwell gps and sensor changes have PRs, nfc was already merged, volte is wip16:28
attah"work" and "progress" are good words :)16:28
CLMA31[m]Are there any possible proximitle updates regarding 5.1 update? Or regarding the ESR102? No need for date, more like do they seem likely this year?16:28
nephrosNico: what dbus magic is related to CB Messages?16:31
rainemakCLMA31[m], nothing really to update in that front. That said, we do have quite a bit of package updates in 5.1. already.16:31
malesr102 still doesn't render webpages, the webrender pipeline is quite different from the old one so debugging is difficult16:32
Niconephros: https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/is-there-any-way-to-disable-cell-broadcast-messages/12470/1216:33
malsomehow the frames don't end up being processed correctly in the code that should be drawing those to screen and once enough have failed it stops the rendering thread16:33
attahCan derps like me build ESR102 already, or di i need to wait for 5.1 sdk?16:34
CLMA31[m]Thanks for update!16:34
malit's possible to build but needs 2 or 3 dependencies to be updated first locally, at least rust-cbindgen and icu16:35
malI think it might even build with older icu16:35
attahSounds almost manageable :)16:35
malI had some workaround patch there for that16:35
attahFor the "C3" thread - is the term eMMC being used loosely, or did you accidentally almost leak the platform?16:36
malI haven't pushed very latest code to github, I'll need to check that16:36
attah:)16:36
rainemakattah, internal storage is eMMC nothing more in that16:36
rainemakbusiness as usual16:37
rainemakIt looks that general discussion has been covered as well16:38
rainemakmoving on16:38
rainemak#topic Next meeting time and date (5 mins)16:38
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rainemakProposing Thursday 25th September at 04:00 PM UTC16:38
ExTechOpworks4me16:40
NicoI might not make it, since I am travelling at the time but don't mind me :316:40
rainemakno worry Nico, logs available as usual16:41
rainemak#info Next meeting will be held on Thursday 25th September 2025 at 04:00pm UTC: 2025-09-25T1600Z16:41
rainemaklet's cover that one late question in the next meeting.16:41
rainemakthank you all!16:41
attahthank you :)16:41
NicoSee ya!16:41
ExTechOpThank you, everyone!16:42
rainemak#endmeeting16:42
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