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| ExTechOp | Good evening, everyone! (and the /topic was not updated) | 15:51 |
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| rainemak | Good evening! | 15:51 |
| rainemak | ExTechOp, I'll try to remember to update today | 15:52 |
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| rainemak | meeting starting soon... | 15:56 |
| rainemak | #startmeeting Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 23rd October 2025 | 16:00 |
| sailbot | Meeting started Thu Oct 23 16:00:05 2025 UTC. The chair is rainemak. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
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| *** sailbot changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 23rd October 2025)" | 16:00 | |
| rainemak | #info Meeting information and agenda can be found here: | 16:00 |
| rainemak | #link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/25096 | 16:00 |
| rainemak | I am the meeting's chairperson today, and will be doing my best to keep time and order. Please respect the timings and bee-hive. | 16:00 |
| rainemak | #topic Brief introduction (5 min). Please prefix your name/handle with #info | 16:00 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "Brief introduction (5 min). Please prefix your name/handle with #info (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 23rd October 2025)" | 16:00 | |
| ExTechOp | #info Otto Mäkelä, community | 16:00 |
| rainemak | #info Raine Mäkeläinen, Jolla | 16:00 |
| direc85[m] | #info Matti Viljanen, Jolla | 16:00 |
| roundedrectangl | #info roundedrectangle, community | 16:00 |
| Keto | #info Pami Ketolainen, Jolla | 16:01 |
| Fellfrosch | #info Fellfrosch. community | 16:02 |
| rainemak | Hopefully mal can join as well. He would have good input for few topics. | 16:02 |
| piggz[m] | #info piggz community | 16:02 |
| mal | #info mal, Jolla | 16:02 |
| rainemak | We have five topics today. Please keep on asking. On last week's newsletter | 16:04 |
| rainemak | pherjung started a new community meeting summary. Great initiative. | 16:04 |
| rainemak | #link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/sailfish-community-news-16th-october-2025-a-new-writer/25006 | 16:04 |
| rainemak | Alright, let's start | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #topic WPA3 status update (5 mins -- KeeperoftheKeys) | 16:05 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "WPA3 status update (5 mins -- KeeperoftheKeys) (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 23rd October 2025)" | 16:05 | |
| rainemak | #info <KeeperoftheKeys> I recently installed some simple Open Source IoT | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #info <KeeperoftheKeys> switches and was very surprised to find them supporting | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #info <KeeperoftheKeys> WPA3, this makes my Jolla phone the only thing | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #info <KeeperoftheKeys> preventing me from switching our home network to WPA3. I | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #info <KeeperoftheKeys> recall that there has been some work on this in the past | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #info <KeeperoftheKeys> where do things stand? Based on a little of my own | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #info <KeeperoftheKeys> testing (see below) it seems like it should be “in | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #info <KeeperoftheKeys> reach/spitting distance”. | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #info <KeeperoftheKeys> | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #info <KeeperoftheKeys> WPA3 is mostly a software issue, I have seen it working | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #info <KeeperoftheKeys> on Linux laptops that were built years before anyone | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #info <KeeperoftheKeys> even thought about WPA3, as far as I recall connman | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #info <KeeperoftheKeys> / wpasupplicant would need to be updated for this. | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #info <KeeperoftheKeys> | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #info <KeeperoftheKeys> Software versions: | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #info <KeeperoftheKeys> | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #info <KeeperoftheKeys> * Connman 1.41 shipped initial WPA3-SAE support based on phoronix, the current version on my phone [SFOS 5 (10ii)] is 1.38 | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #info <KeeperoftheKeys> * Per a wpa_supplicant changelog it added WPA3 in 2.10 | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #info <KeeperoftheKeys> and on my phone I find 2.11 and I was able to manually | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #info <KeeperoftheKeys> connect using it (wpa_supplicant -i wlan0 -c | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #info <KeeperoftheKeys> local.conf) this did not set the correct IP address | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #info <KeeperoftheKeys> from my router, I need to check with another device if | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #info <KeeperoftheKeys> this is a config issue of the testing SSID or an issue | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #info <KeeperoftheKeys> with the phone but after manually setting the correct | 16:06 |
| rainemak | #info <KeeperoftheKeys> IP address (ip addr add…) I was able to “prove” that I | 16:06 |
| rainemak | #info <KeeperoftheKeys> indeed connected successfully to the WPA3 SSID. | 16:06 |
| rainemak | #info <KeeperoftheKeys> To do all of this I also had to do some gymnastics | 16:06 |
| rainemak | #info <KeeperoftheKeys> with enabling/disabling wireless in the GUI to allow | 16:06 |
| rainemak | #info <KeeperoftheKeys> wpa_supplicant to grab control of wlan0 from connman. | 16:06 |
| rainemak | #link https://www.phoronix.com/news/ConnMan-1.41-IWD-1.23 | 16:06 |
| rainemak | #link https://android.googlesource.com/platform/external/wpa_supplicant_8/+/refs/heads/main/wpa_supplicant/ChangeLog | 16:06 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> The support for WPA3 in newer connman version would not directly | 16:06 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> enable WPA3 support in Sailfish OS because we have a custom wifi | 16:06 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> plugin which needs adapting to support WPA3. Also higher level | 16:06 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> code using connman needs to be adapted to support WPA3 type. There | 16:06 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> is work in progress code for those but it does not work reliably | 16:06 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> on all devices yet and was missing some parts about correctly | 16:06 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> reporting type to higher level. | 16:06 |
| legacychimera247 | hello, 247 community member :) | 16:06 |
| pherjung[m] | #info pherjung, Community | 16:07 |
| flypig | #info David Llewellyn-Jones, community; and of course late. | 16:08 |
| rainemak | no worry flypig pherjung[m] legacychimera247 . Nice that you were able to join as well. | 16:08 |
| flypig | :D | 16:08 |
| Raymaen[m] | #info Raymaen, Community | 16:08 |
| flypig | Perhaps an obvious quustion (sorry), but is the plugin on GitHub? | 16:08 |
| flypig | (in case anyone wants to help... I know I wouldn't know where to start). | 16:09 |
| rainemak | Let's immediately extend this by 5mins | 16:09 |
| rainemak | :-) | 16:10 |
| rainemak | flypig, I don't recall by heart. Maybe mal or Keto would? | 16:10 |
| Keto | probably this https://github.com/sailfishos/connman/blob/master/connman/plugins/sailfish_wifi.c | 16:10 |
| rainemak | Keto, that was it | 16:11 |
| flypig | Nice; thank you Keto. | 16:11 |
| rainemak | #link https://github.com/sailfishos/connman/blob/master/connman/plugins/sailfish_wifi.c | 16:12 |
| rainemak | #info Link to Sailfish OS wifi plugin | 16:12 |
| mal | and there is the branch in there with the wip code, jb63050 | 16:13 |
| Keto | and there are probably some wip branches... | 16:13 |
| Keto | right :) | 16:13 |
| direc85[m] | WPA3 seems to depend on the access point as well. | 16:14 |
| rainemak | 1 minute | 16:14 |
| nephros | #info nephros, community, later-comer | 16:14 |
| rainemak | please, let's continue leftover discussions at the end | 16:15 |
| rainemak | let's move on to the next topic | 16:15 |
| rainemak | #topic Allow apps to use nextcloud client or add ability to configure folder sync (10mins -- KeeperoftheKeys) | 16:15 |
| rainemak | #info <KeeperoftheKeys> As documented in this topic Sailsync OwnCloud does not | 16:15 |
| rainemak | #info <KeeperoftheKeys> work out of the box with recent versions of nextcloud | 16:15 |
| rainemak | #info <KeeperoftheKeys> and due to Qt limitations this is only going to get | 16:15 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "Allow apps to use nextcloud client or add ability to configure folder sync (10mins -- KeeperoftheKeys) (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 23rd October 2025)" | 16:15 | |
| rainemak | #info <KeeperoftheKeys> worse, @nephros has built a newer drop in binary with Qt | 16:15 |
| rainemak | #info <KeeperoftheKeys> 5.15 but that is also a solution that will only hold so | 16:15 |
| rainemak | #info <KeeperoftheKeys> long and while those who run NC instances where they | 16:15 |
| rainemak | #info <KeeperoftheKeys> have full control can lower the | 16:15 |
| rainemak | #info <KeeperoftheKeys> minimum.supported.desktop.version they are taking a risk | 16:15 |
| rainemak | #info <KeeperoftheKeys> as per the NC devs. | 16:15 |
| rainemak | #info <KeeperoftheKeys> IMHO Sailsync OwnCloud provides a functionality that | 16:15 |
| rainemak | #info <KeeperoftheKeys> should just be part of the NC account settings, if that | 16:15 |
| rainemak | #info <KeeperoftheKeys> is not a possibility then it would be nice if it could | 16:15 |
| rainemak | #info <KeeperoftheKeys> leverage the builtin client (and credentials) instead of | 16:15 |
| rainemak | #info <KeeperoftheKeys> needing to ship its own. | 16:15 |
| rainemak | #link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/22969 | 16:15 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> NextCloud account (and related components) could be our next | 16:15 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> component to open source which would also enable contributions | 16:15 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> from the Sailsync OwnCloud towards platform NextCloud. We shall | 16:15 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> take this into account as we plan this. In many cases app | 16:15 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> functionalities easily provide more value when / if they are | 16:15 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> implemented as an operating system feature. | 16:15 |
| rainemak | This is especially for cases like NextCloud | 16:15 |
| poetaster | #info poetaster is late | 16:17 |
| rainemak | From my personal point of view, I'd not limit too much NextCloud folders that are being synced | 16:17 |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: +o abr | 16:17 | |
| rainemak | for the late comers as well, let's continue leftover discussions at the end. | 16:19 |
| poetaster | ahoi. | 16:19 |
| rainemak | surely, if we need more time to this, we could consider extending this topic | 16:19 |
| rainemak | poetaster, hi there | 16:19 |
| rainemak | how would see if NextCloud account would be the next one to be open sourced? | 16:20 |
| rainemak | I'll give 5 mins more to this | 16:20 |
| abr | +1 for nextcloud. that's got great potential. | 16:20 |
| rainemak | Ah, I already extended to 10mins :-) | 16:20 |
| flypig | This would be really positive. It already works really well, but there's scope for new features like this syncing. | 16:21 |
| rainemak | flypig, indeed | 16:21 |
| pherjung[m] | This may open various features! | 16:21 |
| poetaster | I'd be happy, for sure. I've done a bit of nextcloud module hacking and it would be nice to couple the work more tightly. | 16:21 |
| rainemak | one thing that I'd like myself is notes syncing | 16:21 |
| abr | does that syncing include auto photo upload? | 16:21 |
| pherjung[m] | syncing, tasks, better gallery integration | 16:21 |
| flypig | rainemak, same here, Notes sync would be wonderful. | 16:22 |
| abr | There's an official nextcloud notes app that just syncs text files. something like that would be great. | 16:22 |
| rainemak | flypig, I use notes almost like a todo-list | 16:22 |
| rainemak | 2mins | 16:23 |
| nephros | AFAIK syncing Notes is just WebDAV file syncing. | 16:23 |
| poetaster | I did some work on task list sfos apps and next cloud. non-trivial though there is some work done. | 16:23 |
| nephros | At least that's what I do regularly. | 16:23 |
| Cryx[m] | Opening Nextcloud would be nice. We already have same apps like Talk and for Phone Track, both somehow in alpha/beta state, but a good start for more. | 16:23 |
| poetaster | nephros, I also use your rclone method :) | 16:24 |
| rainemak | time runs... | 16:24 |
| nephros | Yea, and for Tasks, I use a TODO.txt formated Notes file | 16:24 |
| flypig | abr, I currently use this https://openrepos.net/content/scharel/nextcloud-notes , but would love it to work with the default Notes app synced in both directions. | 16:24 |
| rainemak | I think this really needs a bit attention when we are prioritizing components | 16:25 |
| rainemak | based on your feedback | 16:25 |
| abr | the key is using single account, so you're just signed in once | 16:25 |
| direc85[m] | I have to check that app as well, flypig :) | 16:25 |
| rainemak | but NextCloud has been on our mind | 16:25 |
| poetaster | I was using https://openrepos.net/content/gmc/tasks for a while | 16:26 |
| rainemak | it's also a great example | 16:26 |
| flypig | direc85[m], it's nice, but I just don't want two Notes apps :) | 16:26 |
| nephros | abr: true, and while it's possible to get apps to access the Account, I don't think that will fly in Harbour. | 16:26 |
| ExTechOp | I haven't looked at the Nextcloud integration, are things like caldav supported? | 16:26 |
| flypig | ExTechOp, yes! | 16:26 |
| rainemak | I'll move to next top 30min past -> 4 mins to this | 16:27 |
| rainemak | topic | 16:27 |
| abr | caldav and carddav | 16:27 |
| rainemak | having NextCloud plugin available that you really open up new directions | 16:27 |
| nephros | I think first step for all the notes apps is to agree on a common storage location. Currently in Jolla Notes it's a SQLite DB. | 16:27 |
| Cryx[m] | And viewing photos from the Nextcloud (as well as manual upload). | 16:28 |
| ExTechOp | flypig abr Excellent, I know I have a case coming up where I can make use of both | 16:28 |
| rainemak | nephros, damien already proposed a way to change backend type | 16:28 |
| abr | there are generic accounts for both of those anyway I think. older than the nextcloud plugin. | 16:29 |
| abr | i think they're open sourced already? | 16:29 |
| rainemak | abr, I don't think so | 16:29 |
| rainemak | very good thinking and discussion | 16:30 |
| flypig | buteo? | 16:30 |
| abr | https://github.com/sailfishos/buteo-sync-plugin-caldav/ | 16:30 |
| rainemak | flypig, yeah but the actual accounts / settings integration is elsewhere | 16:30 |
| flypig | Ah, yes, I see. | 16:30 |
| rainemak | flypig, I might remember wrong | 16:30 |
| abr | that bit might be a good candidate for moving over to oss then | 16:31 |
| rainemak | abr, correct | 16:31 |
| rainemak | but NextCloud is one of the best examples if not the best | 16:31 |
| abr | yeah it is | 16:31 |
| rainemak | let's move on | 16:32 |
| rainemak | #topic Support more codecs in QtMultimedia GStreamer plugin (5 mins -- roundedrectangl) | 16:32 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "Support more codecs in QtMultimedia GStreamer plugin (5 mins -- roundedrectangl) (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 23rd October 2025)" | 16:32 | |
| rainemak | #info <roundedrectangl> Information about supported audio capture codecs in | 16:32 |
| rainemak | #info <roundedrectangl> QtMultimedia GStreamer plugin seems to be hardcoded in | 16:32 |
| rainemak | #info <roundedrectangl> Qt 5.6 here: qtmultimedia/src/plugins/gstreamer/mediacapture/qgstreameraudioencode.cpp | 16:32 |
| rainemak | #info <roundedrectangl> at mer-5.6 · sailfishos/qtmultimedia · GitHub. I know | 16:32 |
| rainemak | #info <roundedrectangl> that there are no plans for changing the core behaviour | 16:32 |
| rainemak | #info <roundedrectangl> of this in the near future, because that would require a | 16:32 |
| rainemak | #info <roundedrectangl> Qt update. But are there any plans for, at least, adding | 16:32 |
| rainemak | #info <roundedrectangl> more codecs (such as Opus) to that hard-coded list? And | 16:32 |
| rainemak | #info <roundedrectangl> would a pull request adding this get accepted? | 16:32 |
| rainemak | #info <roundedrectangl> Related: How to record opus audio programatically? | 16:32 |
| rainemak | #link https://github.com/sailfishos/qtmultimedia/blob/mer-5.6/src/plugins/gstreamer/mediacapture/qgstreameraudioencode.cpp | 16:32 |
| rainemak | #link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/how-to-record-opus-audio-programatically/25139 | 16:32 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> It might be possible to enable some additional codecs but it needs | 16:32 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> to be tested that those actually work. Pull requests are always | 16:32 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> welcome and we’ll review and test them. | 16:32 |
| poetaster | currently: mpeg, vorbis, speex, gsm, pcm, amr and flac correct? | 16:35 |
| *** koza is now known as roundedrectangl | 16:35 | |
| roundedrectangl | hello, i got disconnected, sorry | 16:35 |
| rainemak | no problem roundedrectangl | 16:35 |
| flypig | poetaster, are you getting that from the code? | 16:35 |
| poetaster | yup. | 16:36 |
| flypig | Nice; thanks. | 16:36 |
| piggz[m] | this ... codecCandidates << "audio/AAC" << "audio/mpeg" << "audio/vorbis" << "audio/speex" << "audio/GSM" | 16:36 |
| piggz[m] | << "audio/PCM" << "audio/AMR" << "audio/AMR-WB" << "audio/FLAC"; | 16:36 |
| poetaster | yup. | 16:36 |
| roundedrectangl | poetaster: as i said in my post, from QAudioRecorder::supportedAudioCodecs i get only “audio/vorbis”, “audio/speex”, “audio/PCM”, “audio/FLAC” | 16:36 |
| flypig | roundedrectangl, you think Opus support is just a case of letting it through? | 16:37 |
| piggz[m] | looks like the candidate list is looped over later | 16:37 |
| rainemak | poetaster, roundedrectangl : based on variable name there's probably some checks elsewhere | 16:37 |
| rainemak | piggz[m], +1 | 16:37 |
| abr | opus works well in sfos afaik. in gst at least | 16:37 |
| roundedrectangl | flypig: yeah | 16:38 |
| rainemak | let's move forward 40min past | 16:38 |
| flypig | That's neat. Well sort of: it'd be nice if a PR wasn't needed. | 16:38 |
| Keto | opus seems to be inclued in gst-plugins-bad | 16:38 |
| abr | (sorry rainemak I only just saw your request to extend the meeting when I logged on today! i'm not on irc very much anymore...) | 16:39 |
| poetaster | there would need to be work for setup. so it's not just enable and go. | 16:39 |
| roundedrectangl | in code, if i understood correctly, it goes through codecs in that hard-coded list and filters for ones which the pulseaudio installation supports | 16:39 |
| rainemak | no worry... I said earlier that we can use 90mins when needed | 16:39 |
| abr | it's the start time that's important! | 16:39 |
| rainemak | if 40mins past is not enough then we add another 5mins :-) | 16:40 |
| poetaster | roundedrectangl, there is also minimal setup required for most codecs. not sure on the opus front | 16:40 |
| rainemak | 5mins more to this | 16:41 |
| rainemak | 45mins past | 16:41 |
| roundedrectangl | well, if what i said is correct (it checks if a codec is installed and only marks it as supported if it is), then simply adding opus would not hurt much | 16:41 |
| poetaster | true | 16:42 |
| poetaster | but it's probably a no-op | 16:42 |
| roundedrectangl | either way i think i will try to add opus to that list and compile and install the modified version of qtmultimedia on my device, then i will see if it will work and if it does make a PR | 16:43 |
| rainemak | roundedrectangl, great | 16:44 |
| rainemak | time to move on | 16:44 |
| roundedrectangl | although, last commit date being 4 months ago scares me ;) | 16:44 |
| rainemak | roundedrectangl, don't worry about it | 16:45 |
| rainemak | #topic Linux on Mobile stand at FOSDEM in 2026 (10mins -- flypig) | 16:45 |
| rainemak | #info <flypig> FOSDEM (https://fosdem.org) will take place again in Brussels on | 16:45 |
| rainemak | #info <flypig> the weekend of 31 January 2026. In previous years we’ve had a | 16:45 |
| rainemak | #info <flypig> very successful Linux on Mobile stand with Jolla being a big and | 16:45 |
| rainemak | #info <flypig> important presence. The submission deadline for 2026 is | 16:45 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "Linux on Mobile stand at FOSDEM in 2026 (10mins -- flypig) (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 23rd October 2025)" | 16:45 | |
| rainemak | #info <flypig> approaching and I’m planning to request a Linux on Mobile stand | 16:45 |
| rainemak | #info <flypig> again. As in previous years, it’d be fantastic to have Jolla on | 16:45 |
| rainemak | #info <flypig> the stand. Would you consider joining the effort once again? | 16:45 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> Excellent flypig that you’re again orchestrating this once again. | 16:45 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> Very much appreciated. Indeed, the Linux on Mobile stand has been | 16:45 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> successful in previous years. | 16:45 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> | 16:45 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> Yes, we are joining. Who are joining is not yet confirmed but most | 16:45 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> likely at least Sami and Raine. | 16:45 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> | 16:45 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> Flypig, do you need anything from us? | 16:45 |
| flypig | That's great news! In that case I can mention this in the submission. I think that's all I need to know right now. | 16:46 |
| rainemak | I'm joining for sure | 16:46 |
| flypig | Great! | 16:46 |
| flypig | There will also be a "Free Your Android workshop" where people can come and flash their phones. It would be great to have Sailfish OS represented there too. | 16:46 |
| rainemak | we could organize Sailfish OS meeting as well -- the usual one | 16:47 |
| flypig | rainemak, we should look out of the Birds-of-a-Feather call and book a room for that. | 16:47 |
| rainemak | flypig, that sounds good (both) | 16:47 |
| flypig | I'm pretty sure that's not out yet though. | 16:47 |
| rainemak | anybody else joining? | 16:48 |
| flypig | So as a rallying call to the community as well, if anyone would like to help flash phones, please get in touch! | 16:48 |
| flypig | In case anyone hasn't been before, it's always a great experience with chance to meet lots of Sailfish people. | 16:48 |
| rainemak | +1 for that | 16:49 |
| flypig | Including Sailors :) | 16:49 |
| abr | Always a lot of SFOS people at FOSDEM! | 16:49 |
| abr | and we always have a community evening somewhere too | 16:49 |
| rainemak | abr, and so we shall 2026 as well | 16:49 |
| Keto | I could finally this year try to join. Meant to couple of past years, but had always something else at the same time :) | 16:49 |
| rainemak | abr, and so we shall have 2026 as well | 16:49 |
| flypig | Keto, clear your calendar! | 16:50 |
| direc85[m] | Last year it was my first FOSDEM and it was great in so many ways :) | 16:50 |
| poetaster | I can't make it this coming year. sigh. Good chance to catch up! | 16:50 |
| rainemak | 5mins extra | 16:50 |
| flypig | direc85[m], I hope we'll see you this year too. | 16:50 |
| rainemak | again, I already extended this to 10mins :-) | 16:51 |
| TheKit[m] | flypig, talking about flashing phones, I'd definitely like to join | 16:51 |
| flypig | But I'm sorry to hear that poetaster. I've always enjoyed your company at FOSDEM in previous years. | 16:51 |
| direc85[m] | flypig, thanks, looking forward to it :) | 16:51 |
| flypig | TheKit[m], superb! I'll put you in touch with the organisers if you're not already. | 16:51 |
| poetaster | Yeah, it's a bit of a bummer cause it's nice to see u'all ;) | 16:51 |
| TheKit[m] | flypig, I'm curious how that event would work in practice given the relatively limited list of devices though | 16:53 |
| flypig | TheKit[m], you mean for Sailfish OS in particular? The room will cover all alternatives and there's no reason why community ports couldn't also be offered? | 16:54 |
| rainemak | do you want more time for this? | 16:55 |
| poetaster | And piggz[m] has a tablet port on offer :) | 16:55 |
| pherjung[m] | whats the purpose of flashing devices? Is it like a stand where you come with your phone and choose which distribution to flash? Or is it only for Sailfish OS? | 16:55 |
| rainemak | 5mins more | 16:55 |
| flypig | pherjung[m], that's exactly it, but it's not Sailfish OS specific. Iit's being run by the FSFE. | 16:55 |
| TheKit[m] | flypig: not only for SailfishOS, but in general for alternative OSes the list is relatively limited | 16:56 |
| flypig | I suppose it's built around this campaign: | 16:56 |
| flypig | https://fsfe.org/activities/android/ | 16:56 |
| flypig | TheKit[m], you make a good point, but I think that's nevertheless the arrangement: bring your phone and have it flashed. | 16:57 |
| flypig | It seems most of the operating systems listed are AOSP-based. All the more reason to have Sailfish OS (and other GNU/Linux variants) there too. | 16:59 |
| rainemak | let's to the last topic | 16:59 |
| rainemak | let's move to the last topic | 16:59 |
| flypig | Ack | 16:59 |
| rainemak | #topic SFOS / Jolla pot. changes regarding the already inforced EU Cyber Resilience Act (5mins -- tmindrup) | 16:59 |
| rainemak | #info <tmindrup> The EU Cyber Resilience Act (CRA) L_202402847EN.000101.fmx.xml | 16:59 |
| rainemak | #info <tmindrup> imposes mandatory cybersecurity requirements on all products | 16:59 |
| rainemak | #info <tmindrup> with digital elements sold in the EU, with consequences | 16:59 |
| rainemak | #info <tmindrup> including significant fines, market access restrictions, and | 16:59 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "SFOS / Jolla pot. changes regarding the already inforced EU Cyber Resilience Act (5mins -- tmindrup) (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 23rd October 2025)" | 16:59 | |
| rainemak | #info <tmindrup> the loss of the CE marking for non-compliant products. | 16:59 |
| rainemak | #info <tmindrup> Manufacturers, importers, and distributors face obligations to | 16:59 |
| rainemak | #info <tmindrup> integrate security into product lifecycles, and some critical | 16:59 |
| rainemak | #info <tmindrup> products must undergo third-party assessments. The regulation’s | 16:59 |
| rainemak | #info <tmindrup> aim is to increase product security, but it creates challenges | 16:59 |
| rainemak | #info <tmindrup> for businesses, especially smaller ones, in terms of compliance | 16:59 |
| rainemak | #info <tmindrup> costs, testing, and the need for continuous security updates. | 16:59 |
| rainemak | #link https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=OJ:L_202402847 | 16:59 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> Let’s take this more like a discussion topic. | 16:59 |
| poetaster | Well, it would require a legal team the size of fort knox to even untangle that legislation so who knows where to begin. Assume it's theater. | 17:03 |
| flypig | :) | 17:03 |
| rainemak | poetaster, something like that | 17:03 |
| rainemak | presumably | 17:03 |
| Keto | Haven't had time to read through the whole thing, so not sure of all the parts that might afect Sailfish OS. But would assume that basic things like requirement for security updates can be considered covered | 17:04 |
| rainemak | Keto, correct | 17:04 |
| rainemak | time for open pull requests | 17:05 |
| rainemak | it sounds | 17:05 |
| rainemak | #topic Open Pull Requests (PRs) to discussion (5 mins -- asked by Jolla) | 17:05 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "Open Pull Requests (PRs) to discussion (5 mins -- asked by Jolla) (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 23rd October 2025)" | 17:05 | |
| flypig | This hasn't yet reached the 3-week point, but I'll mention it anyway as I'd appreciate views on it. | 17:06 |
| piggz[m] | So, i understand the big scratchbox2 PR had some good testing, building all of devel? | 17:06 |
| flypig | https://github.com/sailfishos/gst-droid/pull/83 | 17:06 |
| piggz[m] | flypig: was good to read your progress on that PR | 17:07 |
| mal | piggz[m]: yes, seemed to work fine but still needs a proper review | 17:07 |
| direc85[m] | piggz, I was just going to ask if anyone has more feedback about it :) | 17:07 |
| rainemak | #link https://github.com/sailfishos/gst-droid/pull/83 | 17:07 |
| mal | I haven't yet had time to test that | 17:08 |
| flypig | Thanks piggz[m], mal. It's not an area I really know about. | 17:08 |
| rainemak | shall we move to general discussion | 17:09 |
| mal | also the python 3.11 cross build issue mentioned in one earlier meeting was solved and python update should get integrated soon | 17:09 |
| rainemak | mal, that I like to cover still | 17:09 |
| roundedrectangl | that is very nice | 17:10 |
| poetaster | 3.11 would be nice indeed. | 17:10 |
| flypig | +1 on that. | 17:10 |
| rainemak | mal, do you have still pending others PRs that are related | 17:10 |
| mal | nope, just the main python PR is still open | 17:11 |
| rainemak | great! | 17:11 |
| rainemak | to the general then | 17:12 |
| rainemak | #topic General discussion (10 mins or something) | 17:12 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "General discussion (10 mins or something) (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 23rd October 2025)" | 17:12 | |
| rainemak | How did you like the new newsletter section by pherjung[m] -- Community meeting summary | 17:12 |
| rainemak | I find it great! | 17:13 |
| flypig | Loved it! Great work pherjung[m] | 17:13 |
| ExTechOp | Any date for the Xperia 10 IV / V posting on the forum? | 17:13 |
| poetaster | works for me :) | 17:13 |
| pherjung[m] | thank you very much! A good way to practice my English :) | 17:13 |
| flypig | I may stop coming to the meetings now ;) | 17:13 |
| rainemak | flypig, please don't :-) | 17:14 |
| piggz[m] | If anyone wants to see SailfishOS on a nice tablet, the volla tablet port is working quite nicely :) | 17:14 |
| rainemak | ExTechOp, not from me unfortunately. Do you mal anything new to share regarding Xperia 10 IV / V? | 17:15 |
| poetaster | I thought it'd be a nice buzz for fossdem to show off a volla tablet with sfos. | 17:15 |
| flypig | piggz[m], looks amazing. | 17:15 |
| flypig | https://fosstodon.org/@piggz/115383533267498846 | 17:15 |
| mal | camera has still been causing issues on x10iv and v | 17:16 |
| flypig | https://fosstodon.org/@piggz/115385355972301576 | 17:17 |
| poetaster | mal, video related? | 17:17 |
| mal | I mean camera doesn't work at all | 17:17 |
| poetaster | ah. sigh. blob's your uncle. | 17:18 |
| direc85[m] | :D | 17:18 |
| ExTechOp | mal Is there any kind of idea when better blobs could arrive, or should I just give the 10V away? | 17:19 |
| rainemak | ExTechOp, hard to put an estimate on that | 17:23 |
| rainemak | same time, we surely want to get this released | 17:23 |
| pherjung[m] | Now that issues are on Github, would it be possible to use a label "Easy issue"? | 17:24 |
| pherjung[m] | Maybe some people would be interested to contribute to Sailfish, but don't have all the skills | 17:24 |
| rainemak | pherjung[m], afair that's something similar already. | 17:24 |
| rainemak | there's | 17:24 |
| rainemak | good first issue | 17:25 |
| rainemak | let's start wrapping up | 17:26 |
| poetaster | it's wordle time. good evening to you all! | 17:26 |
| flypig | Best of luck poetaster! | 17:26 |
| rainemak | poetaster, you too! nice to have you here as well | 17:27 |
| rainemak | let's schedule next meeting | 17:27 |
| rainemak | #topic Next meeting time and date (2 mins) | 17:27 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "Next meeting time and date (2 mins) (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 23rd October 2025)" | 17:27 | |
| rainemak | Proposing Thursday 6th November at 04:00 PM UTC | 17:27 |
| ExTechOp | rainmak Meta question: do you think there'll be a time when you can answer the question? | 17:27 |
| flypig | I think the clocks will change between now and then, right? | 17:27 |
| direc85[m] | Ah, yes. | 17:28 |
| rainemak | flypig, you're right I guess. didn't even check | 17:28 |
| ExTechOp | Question: would moving the time one hour earlier be inconvenient for participants, because this gets a bit late in Finland? | 17:28 |
| rainemak | ExTechOp, it'd be fine with one hour earlier | 17:28 |
| roundedrectangl | quick update, i compiled qtmultimedia with opus support and guess what? it works! | 17:28 |
| rainemak | ExTechOp, and you're right. it's kind of late already | 17:28 |
| flypig | roundedrectangl, amazing work! | 17:28 |
| roundedrectangl | yeah, but compiling took a while | 17:29 |
| roundedrectangl | i guess i will make the pr now | 17:29 |
| direc85[m] | Well that was fast :) That's great! | 17:29 |
| rainemak | 6PM HKI time? | 17:29 |
| ExTechOp | % date --date=2025-11-25T16:00:00Z | 17:30 |
| ExTechOp | 2025-11-25T18:00:00 EET | 17:30 |
| rainemak | yeap | 17:30 |
| direc85[m] | Works for me | 17:30 |
| flypig | So, that will leave it at the same start time in Finland? | 17:30 |
| flypig | Or did I misunderstand? | 17:30 |
| flypig | It's fine either way though :) | 17:31 |
| ExTechOp | Leave the same time in UT, so daylight saving time will make it start at 18 | 17:32 |
| ExTechOp | in Finland | 17:32 |
| direc85[m] | That's correct. | 17:32 |
| rainemak | so 04:00 PM UTC | 17:32 |
| flypig | Okay, so that's an hour earlier compared to today. Got it; thanks! | 17:32 |
| rainemak | #info Next meeting will be held on Thursday 6th November 2025 at 04:00pm UTC: 2025-11-06T1600Z | 17:33 |
| rainemak | thank you all! | 17:33 |
| rainemak | #endmeeting | 17:33 |
| sailbot | Meeting ended Thu Oct 23 17:33:17 2025 UTC. | 17:33 |
| sailbot | Minutes: https://irclogs.sailfishos.org/meetings/sailfishos-meeting/2025/sailfishos-meeting.2025-10-23-16.00.html | 17:33 |
| sailbot | Minutes (text): https://irclogs.sailfishos.org/meetings/sailfishos-meeting/2025/sailfishos-meeting.2025-10-23-16.00.txt | 17:33 |
| sailbot | Log: https://irclogs.sailfishos.org/meetings/sailfishos-meeting/2025/sailfishos-meeting.2025-10-23-16.00.log.html | 17:33 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "Next meeting will be held on October 9th 2025 at 04:00pm UTC: 2025-10-09T1600Z" | 17:33 | |
| *** rainemak changes topic to "Next meeting will be held on November 6th 2025 at 04:00pm UTC: 2025-11-06T1600Z" | 17:33 | |
| flypig | Thanks rainemak, all! Enjoyed the meeting as always (and of course I'll turn up in future even with pherjung[m]'s great summary!). | 17:33 |
| direc85[m] | Thanks everyone! Great to see lots of progress on the community side as well! | 17:34 |
| roundedrectangl | opened the pr, thanks everyone! https://github.com/sailfishos/qtmultimedia/pull/7 | 17:34 |
| abr | Aren't the clocks changing? Is that accounted for in that time? | 17:34 |
| abr | I do get confused with timezones | 17:35 |
| direc85[m] | abr, it's one hour earlier here in Finland at least. | 17:35 |
| ExTechOp | That is why I used the "date" command above | 17:35 |
| ExTechOp | Thanks everyone! | 17:35 |
| direc85[m] | So yes, for both of your comments separately :) | 17:36 |
| pherjung[m] | the same in Switzerland/France | 17:36 |
| flypig | ExTechOp, I hadn't thought of using date like that. Very neat! | 17:37 |
| ExTechOp | Daylight saving gets very confusing unless you do stuff like this. | 17:38 |
| direc85[m] | Heh, indeed! date typically makes fewer mistakes than me :) | 17:38 |
| abr | That's a really good idea | 17:42 |
| pherjung[m] | Time to go. Have a good night :) | 17:45 |
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