Thursday, 2025-10-23

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rainemakGood evening!15:51
rainemakExTechOp, I'll try to remember to update today15:52
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rainemakmeeting starting soon...15:56
rainemak#startmeeting Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 23rd October 202516:00
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rainemak#info Meeting information and agenda can be found here:16:00
rainemak#link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/2509616:00
rainemakI am the meeting's chairperson today, and will be doing my best to keep time and order. Please respect the timings and bee-hive.16:00
rainemak#topic Brief introduction (5 min). Please prefix your name/handle with #info16:00
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ExTechOp#info Otto Mäkelä, community16:00
rainemak#info Raine Mäkeläinen, Jolla16:00
direc85[m]#info Matti Viljanen, Jolla16:00
roundedrectangl#info roundedrectangle, community16:00
Keto#info Pami Ketolainen, Jolla16:01
Fellfrosch#info Fellfrosch. community16:02
rainemakHopefully mal can join as well. He would have good input for few topics.16:02
piggz[m]#info piggz community16:02
mal#info mal, Jolla16:02
rainemakWe have five topics today. Please keep on asking. On last week's newsletter16:04
rainemakpherjung started a new community meeting summary. Great initiative.16:04
rainemak#link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/sailfish-community-news-16th-october-2025-a-new-writer/2500616:04
rainemakAlright, let's start16:05
rainemak#topic WPA3 status update (5 mins -- KeeperoftheKeys)16:05
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rainemak#info <KeeperoftheKeys> I recently installed some simple Open Source IoT16:05
rainemak#info <KeeperoftheKeys> switches and was very surprised to find them supporting16:05
rainemak#info <KeeperoftheKeys> WPA3, this makes my Jolla phone the only thing16:05
rainemak#info <KeeperoftheKeys> preventing me from switching our home network to WPA3. I16:05
rainemak#info <KeeperoftheKeys> recall that there has been some work on this in the past16:05
rainemak#info <KeeperoftheKeys> where do things stand? Based on a little of my own16:05
rainemak#info <KeeperoftheKeys> testing (see below) it seems like it should be “in16:05
rainemak#info <KeeperoftheKeys> reach/spitting distance”.16:05
rainemak#info <KeeperoftheKeys>16:05
rainemak#info <KeeperoftheKeys> WPA3 is mostly a software issue, I have seen it working16:05
rainemak#info <KeeperoftheKeys> on Linux laptops that were built years before anyone16:05
rainemak#info <KeeperoftheKeys> even thought about WPA3, as far as I recall connman16:05
rainemak#info <KeeperoftheKeys> / wpasupplicant would need to be updated for this.16:05
rainemak#info <KeeperoftheKeys>16:05
rainemak#info <KeeperoftheKeys> Software versions:16:05
rainemak#info <KeeperoftheKeys>16:05
rainemak#info <KeeperoftheKeys> * Connman 1.41 shipped initial WPA3-SAE support based on phoronix, the current version on my phone [SFOS 5 (10ii)] is 1.3816:05
rainemak#info <KeeperoftheKeys> * Per a wpa_supplicant changelog it added WPA3 in 2.1016:05
rainemak#info <KeeperoftheKeys>   and on my phone I find 2.11 and I was able to manually16:05
rainemak#info <KeeperoftheKeys>   connect using it (wpa_supplicant -i wlan0 -c16:05
rainemak#info <KeeperoftheKeys>   local.conf) this did not set the correct IP address16:05
rainemak#info <KeeperoftheKeys>   from my router, I need to check with another device if16:05
rainemak#info <KeeperoftheKeys>   this is a config issue of the testing SSID or an issue16:05
rainemak#info <KeeperoftheKeys>   with the phone but after manually setting the correct16:06
rainemak#info <KeeperoftheKeys>   IP address (ip addr add…) I was able to “prove” that I16:06
rainemak#info <KeeperoftheKeys>   indeed connected successfully to the WPA3 SSID.16:06
rainemak#info <KeeperoftheKeys>   To do all of this I also had to do some gymnastics16:06
rainemak#info <KeeperoftheKeys>   with enabling/disabling wireless in the GUI to allow16:06
rainemak#info <KeeperoftheKeys>   wpa_supplicant to grab control of wlan0 from connman.16:06
rainemak#link https://www.phoronix.com/news/ConnMan-1.41-IWD-1.2316:06
rainemak#link https://android.googlesource.com/platform/external/wpa_supplicant_8/+/refs/heads/main/wpa_supplicant/ChangeLog16:06
rainemak#info <Jolla> The support for WPA3 in newer connman version would not directly16:06
rainemak#info <Jolla> enable WPA3 support in Sailfish OS because we have a custom wifi16:06
rainemak#info <Jolla> plugin which needs adapting to support WPA3. Also higher level16:06
rainemak#info <Jolla> code using connman needs to be adapted to support WPA3 type. There16:06
rainemak#info <Jolla> is work in progress code for those but it does not work reliably16:06
rainemak#info <Jolla> on all devices yet and was missing some parts about correctly16:06
rainemak#info <Jolla> reporting type to higher level.16:06
legacychimera247hello, 247 community member :)16:06
pherjung[m]#info pherjung, Community16:07
flypig#info David Llewellyn-Jones, community; and of course late.16:08
rainemakno worry flypig pherjung[m] legacychimera247 . Nice that you were able to join as well.16:08
flypig:D16:08
Raymaen[m]#info Raymaen, Community16:08
flypigPerhaps an obvious quustion (sorry), but is the plugin on GitHub?16:08
flypig(in case anyone wants to help... I know I wouldn't know where to start).16:09
rainemakLet's immediately extend this by 5mins16:09
rainemak:-)16:10
rainemakflypig, I don't recall by heart. Maybe mal or Keto would?16:10
Ketoprobably this https://github.com/sailfishos/connman/blob/master/connman/plugins/sailfish_wifi.c16:10
rainemakKeto, that was it16:11
flypigNice; thank you Keto.16:11
rainemak#link https://github.com/sailfishos/connman/blob/master/connman/plugins/sailfish_wifi.c16:12
rainemak#info Link to Sailfish OS wifi plugin16:12
maland there is the branch in there with the wip code, jb6305016:13
Ketoand there are probably some wip branches...16:13
Ketoright :)16:13
direc85[m]WPA3 seems to depend on the access point as well.16:14
rainemak1 minute16:14
nephros#info nephros, community, later-comer16:14
rainemakplease, let's continue leftover discussions at the end16:15
rainemaklet's move on to the next topic16:15
rainemak#topic Allow apps to use nextcloud client or add ability to configure folder sync (10mins -- KeeperoftheKeys)16:15
rainemak#info <KeeperoftheKeys> As documented in this topic Sailsync OwnCloud does not16:15
rainemak#info <KeeperoftheKeys> work out of the box with recent versions of nextcloud16:15
rainemak#info <KeeperoftheKeys> and due to Qt limitations this is only going to get16:15
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rainemak#info <KeeperoftheKeys> worse, @nephros has built a newer drop in binary with Qt16:15
rainemak#info <KeeperoftheKeys> 5.15 but that is also a solution that will only hold so16:15
rainemak#info <KeeperoftheKeys> long and while those who run NC instances where they16:15
rainemak#info <KeeperoftheKeys> have full control can lower the16:15
rainemak#info <KeeperoftheKeys> minimum.supported.desktop.version they are taking a risk16:15
rainemak#info <KeeperoftheKeys> as per the NC devs.16:15
rainemak#info <KeeperoftheKeys> IMHO Sailsync OwnCloud provides a functionality that16:15
rainemak#info <KeeperoftheKeys> should just be part of the NC account settings, if that16:15
rainemak#info <KeeperoftheKeys> is not a possibility then it would be nice if it could16:15
rainemak#info <KeeperoftheKeys> leverage the builtin client (and credentials) instead of16:15
rainemak#info <KeeperoftheKeys> needing to ship its own.16:15
rainemak#link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/2296916:15
rainemak#info <Jolla> NextCloud account (and related components) could be our next16:15
rainemak#info <Jolla> component to open source which would also enable contributions16:15
rainemak#info <Jolla> from the Sailsync OwnCloud towards platform NextCloud. We shall16:15
rainemak#info <Jolla> take this into account as we plan this. In many cases app16:15
rainemak#info <Jolla> functionalities easily provide more value when / if they are16:15
rainemak#info <Jolla> implemented as an operating system feature.16:15
rainemakThis is especially for cases like NextCloud16:15
poetaster#info poetaster is late16:17
rainemakFrom my personal point of view, I'd not limit too much NextCloud folders that are being synced16:17
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rainemakfor the late comers as well, let's continue leftover discussions at the end.16:19
poetasterahoi.16:19
rainemaksurely, if we need more time to this, we could consider extending this topic16:19
rainemakpoetaster, hi there16:19
rainemakhow would see if NextCloud account would be the next one to be open sourced?16:20
rainemakI'll give 5 mins more to this16:20
abr+1 for nextcloud. that's got great potential.16:20
rainemakAh, I already extended to 10mins :-)16:20
flypigThis would be really positive. It already works really well, but there's scope for new features like this syncing.16:21
rainemakflypig, indeed16:21
pherjung[m]This may open various features!16:21
poetasterI'd be happy, for sure. I've done a bit of nextcloud module hacking and it would be nice to couple the work more tightly.16:21
rainemakone thing that I'd like myself is notes syncing16:21
abrdoes that syncing include auto photo upload?16:21
pherjung[m]syncing, tasks, better gallery integration16:21
flypigrainemak, same here, Notes sync would be wonderful.16:22
abrThere's an official nextcloud notes app that just syncs text files. something like that would be great.16:22
rainemakflypig, I use notes almost like a todo-list16:22
rainemak2mins16:23
nephrosAFAIK syncing Notes is just WebDAV file syncing.16:23
poetasterI did some work on task list sfos apps and next cloud. non-trivial though there is some work done.16:23
nephrosAt least that's what I do regularly.16:23
Cryx[m]Opening Nextcloud would be nice. We  already have same apps like Talk and for Phone Track, both somehow in alpha/beta state, but a good start for more.16:23
poetasternephros, I also use your rclone method :)16:24
rainemaktime runs...16:24
nephrosYea, and for Tasks, I use a TODO.txt formated Notes file16:24
flypigabr, I currently use this https://openrepos.net/content/scharel/nextcloud-notes , but would love it to work with the default Notes app synced in both directions.16:24
rainemakI think this really needs a bit attention when we are prioritizing components16:25
rainemakbased on your feedback16:25
abrthe key is using single account, so you're just signed in once16:25
direc85[m]I have to check that app as well, flypig :)16:25
rainemakbut NextCloud has been on our mind16:25
poetasterI was using https://openrepos.net/content/gmc/tasks for a while16:26
rainemakit's also a great example16:26
flypigdirec85[m], it's nice, but I just don't want two Notes apps :)16:26
nephrosabr: true, and while it's possible to get apps to access the Account, I don't think that will fly in Harbour.16:26
ExTechOpI haven't looked at the Nextcloud integration, are things like caldav supported?16:26
flypigExTechOp, yes!16:26
rainemakI'll move to next top 30min past -> 4 mins to this16:27
rainemaktopic16:27
abrcaldav and carddav16:27
rainemakhaving NextCloud plugin available that you really open up new directions16:27
nephrosI think first step for all the notes apps is to agree on a common storage location. Currently in Jolla Notes it's a SQLite DB.16:27
Cryx[m]And viewing photos from the Nextcloud (as well as manual upload).16:28
ExTechOpflypig abr Excellent, I know I have a case coming up where I can make use of both16:28
rainemaknephros, damien already proposed a way to change backend type16:28
abrthere are generic accounts for both of those anyway I think. older than the nextcloud plugin.16:29
abri think they're open sourced already?16:29
rainemakabr, I don't think so16:29
rainemakvery good thinking and discussion16:30
flypigbuteo?16:30
abrhttps://github.com/sailfishos/buteo-sync-plugin-caldav/16:30
rainemakflypig, yeah but the actual accounts / settings integration is elsewhere16:30
flypigAh, yes, I see.16:30
rainemakflypig, I might remember wrong16:30
abrthat bit might be a good candidate for moving over to oss then16:31
rainemakabr, correct16:31
rainemakbut NextCloud is one of the best examples if not the best16:31
abryeah it is16:31
rainemaklet's move on16:32
rainemak#topic Support more codecs in QtMultimedia GStreamer plugin (5 mins -- roundedrectangl)16:32
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rainemak#info <roundedrectangl> Information about supported audio capture codecs in16:32
rainemak#info <roundedrectangl> QtMultimedia GStreamer plugin seems to be hardcoded in16:32
rainemak#info <roundedrectangl> Qt 5.6 here: qtmultimedia/src/plugins/gstreamer/mediacapture/qgstreameraudioencode.cpp16:32
rainemak#info <roundedrectangl> at mer-5.6 · sailfishos/qtmultimedia · GitHub. I know16:32
rainemak#info <roundedrectangl> that there are no plans for changing the core behaviour16:32
rainemak#info <roundedrectangl> of this in the near future, because that would require a16:32
rainemak#info <roundedrectangl> Qt update. But are there any plans for, at least, adding16:32
rainemak#info <roundedrectangl> more codecs (such as Opus) to that hard-coded list? And16:32
rainemak#info <roundedrectangl> would a pull request adding this get accepted?16:32
rainemak#info <roundedrectangl> Related: How to record opus audio programatically?16:32
rainemak#link https://github.com/sailfishos/qtmultimedia/blob/mer-5.6/src/plugins/gstreamer/mediacapture/qgstreameraudioencode.cpp16:32
rainemak#link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/how-to-record-opus-audio-programatically/2513916:32
rainemak#info <Jolla> It might be possible to enable some additional codecs but it needs16:32
rainemak#info <Jolla> to be tested that those actually work. Pull requests are always16:32
rainemak#info <Jolla> welcome and we’ll review and test them.16:32
poetastercurrently: mpeg, vorbis, speex, gsm, pcm, amr and flac correct?16:35
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roundedrectanglhello, i got disconnected, sorry16:35
rainemakno problem roundedrectangl16:35
flypigpoetaster, are you getting that from the code?16:35
poetasteryup.16:36
flypigNice; thanks.16:36
piggz[m]this ... codecCandidates << "audio/AAC" << "audio/mpeg" << "audio/vorbis" << "audio/speex" << "audio/GSM"16:36
piggz[m]                    << "audio/PCM" << "audio/AMR" << "audio/AMR-WB" << "audio/FLAC";16:36
poetasteryup.16:36
roundedrectanglpoetaster: as i said in my post, from QAudioRecorder::supportedAudioCodecs i get only “audio/vorbis”, “audio/speex”, “audio/PCM”, “audio/FLAC”16:36
flypigroundedrectangl, you think Opus support is just a case of letting it through?16:37
piggz[m]looks like the candidate list is looped over later16:37
rainemakpoetaster, roundedrectangl : based on variable name there's probably some checks elsewhere16:37
rainemakpiggz[m], +116:37
abropus works well in sfos afaik. in gst at least16:37
roundedrectanglflypig: yeah16:38
rainemaklet's move forward 40min past16:38
flypigThat's neat. Well sort of: it'd be nice if a PR wasn't needed.16:38
Ketoopus seems to be inclued in gst-plugins-bad16:38
abr(sorry rainemak I only just saw your request to extend the meeting when I logged on today! i'm not on irc very much anymore...)16:39
poetasterthere would need to be work for setup. so it's not just enable and go.16:39
roundedrectanglin code, if i understood correctly, it goes through codecs in that hard-coded list and filters for ones which the pulseaudio installation supports16:39
rainemakno worry... I said earlier that we can use 90mins when needed16:39
abrit's the start time that's important!16:39
rainemakif 40mins past is not enough then we add another 5mins :-)16:40
poetasterroundedrectangl, there is also minimal setup required for most codecs. not sure on the opus front16:40
rainemak5mins more to this16:41
rainemak45mins past16:41
roundedrectanglwell, if what i said is correct (it checks if a codec is installed and only marks it as supported if it is), then simply adding opus would not hurt much16:41
poetastertrue16:42
poetasterbut it's probably a no-op16:42
roundedrectangleither way i think i will try to add opus to that list and compile and install the modified version of qtmultimedia on my device, then i will see if it will work and if it does make a PR16:43
rainemakroundedrectangl, great16:44
rainemaktime to move on16:44
roundedrectanglalthough, last commit date being 4 months ago scares me ;)16:44
rainemakroundedrectangl, don't worry about it16:45
rainemak#topic Linux on Mobile stand at FOSDEM in 2026 (10mins -- flypig)16:45
rainemak#info <flypig> FOSDEM (https://fosdem.org) will take place again in Brussels on16:45
rainemak#info <flypig> the weekend of 31 January 2026. In previous years we’ve had a16:45
rainemak#info <flypig> very successful Linux on Mobile stand with Jolla being a big and16:45
rainemak#info <flypig> important presence. The submission deadline for 2026 is16:45
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rainemak#info <flypig> approaching and I’m planning to request a Linux on Mobile stand16:45
rainemak#info <flypig> again. As in previous years, it’d be fantastic to have Jolla on16:45
rainemak#info <flypig> the stand. Would you consider joining the effort once again?16:45
rainemak#info <Jolla> Excellent flypig that you’re again orchestrating this once again.16:45
rainemak#info <Jolla> Very much appreciated. Indeed, the Linux on Mobile stand has been16:45
rainemak#info <Jolla> successful in previous years.16:45
rainemak#info <Jolla>16:45
rainemak#info <Jolla> Yes, we are joining. Who are joining is not yet confirmed but most16:45
rainemak#info <Jolla> likely at least Sami and Raine.16:45
rainemak#info <Jolla>16:45
rainemak#info <Jolla> Flypig, do you need anything from us?16:45
flypigThat's great news! In that case I can mention this in the submission. I think that's all I need to know right now.16:46
rainemakI'm joining for sure16:46
flypigGreat!16:46
flypigThere will also be a "Free Your Android workshop" where people can come and flash their phones. It would be great to have Sailfish OS represented there too.16:46
rainemakwe could organize Sailfish OS meeting as well -- the usual one16:47
flypigrainemak, we should look out of the Birds-of-a-Feather call and book a room for that.16:47
rainemakflypig, that sounds good (both)16:47
flypigI'm pretty sure that's not out yet though.16:47
rainemakanybody else joining?16:48
flypigSo as a rallying call to the community as well, if anyone would like to help flash phones, please get in touch!16:48
flypigIn case anyone hasn't been before, it's always a great experience with chance to meet lots of Sailfish people.16:48
rainemak+1 for that16:49
flypigIncluding Sailors :)16:49
abrAlways a lot of SFOS people at FOSDEM!16:49
abrand we always have a community evening somewhere too16:49
rainemakabr, and so we shall 2026 as well16:49
KetoI could finally this year try to join. Meant to couple of past years, but had always something else at the same time :)16:49
rainemakabr, and so we shall have 2026 as well16:49
flypigKeto, clear your calendar!16:50
direc85[m]Last year it was my first FOSDEM and it was great in so many ways :)16:50
poetasterI can't make it this coming year. sigh. Good chance to catch up!16:50
rainemak5mins extra16:50
flypigdirec85[m], I hope we'll see you this year too.16:50
rainemakagain, I already extended this to 10mins :-)16:51
TheKit[m]flypig, talking about flashing phones, I'd definitely like to join16:51
flypigBut I'm sorry to hear that poetaster. I've always enjoyed your company at FOSDEM in previous years.16:51
direc85[m]flypig, thanks, looking forward to it :)16:51
flypigTheKit[m], superb! I'll put you in touch with the organisers if you're not already.16:51
poetasterYeah, it's a bit of a bummer cause it's nice to see u'all ;)16:51
TheKit[m]flypig, I'm curious how that event would work in practice given the relatively limited list of devices though16:53
flypigTheKit[m], you mean for Sailfish OS in particular? The room will cover all alternatives and there's no reason why community ports couldn't also be offered?16:54
rainemakdo you want more time for this?16:55
poetasterAnd piggz[m] has a tablet port on offer :)16:55
pherjung[m]whats the purpose of flashing devices? Is it like a stand where you come with your phone and choose which distribution to flash? Or is it only for Sailfish OS?16:55
rainemak5mins more16:55
flypigpherjung[m], that's exactly it, but it's not Sailfish OS specific. Iit's being run by the FSFE.16:55
TheKit[m]flypig: not only for SailfishOS, but in general for alternative OSes the list is relatively limited16:56
flypigI suppose it's built around this campaign:16:56
flypighttps://fsfe.org/activities/android/16:56
flypigTheKit[m], you make a good point, but I think that's nevertheless the arrangement: bring your phone and have it flashed.16:57
flypigIt seems most of the operating systems listed are AOSP-based. All the more reason to have Sailfish OS (and other GNU/Linux variants) there too.16:59
rainemaklet's to the last topic16:59
rainemaklet's move to the last topic16:59
flypigAck16:59
rainemak#topic SFOS / Jolla pot. changes regarding the already inforced EU Cyber Resilience Act (5mins -- tmindrup)16:59
rainemak#info <tmindrup> The EU Cyber Resilience Act (CRA) L_202402847EN.000101.fmx.xml16:59
rainemak#info <tmindrup> imposes mandatory cybersecurity requirements on all products16:59
rainemak#info <tmindrup> with digital elements sold in the EU, with consequences16:59
rainemak#info <tmindrup> including significant fines, market access restrictions, and16:59
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rainemak#info <tmindrup> the loss of the CE marking for non-compliant products.16:59
rainemak#info <tmindrup> Manufacturers, importers, and distributors face obligations to16:59
rainemak#info <tmindrup> integrate security into product lifecycles, and some critical16:59
rainemak#info <tmindrup> products must undergo third-party assessments. The regulation’s16:59
rainemak#info <tmindrup> aim is to increase product security, but it creates challenges16:59
rainemak#info <tmindrup> for businesses, especially smaller ones, in terms of compliance16:59
rainemak#info <tmindrup> costs, testing, and the need for continuous security updates.16:59
rainemak#link https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=OJ:L_20240284716:59
rainemak#info <Jolla> Let’s take this more like a discussion topic.16:59
poetasterWell, it would require a legal team the size of fort knox to even untangle that legislation so who knows where to begin. Assume it's theater.17:03
flypig:)17:03
rainemakpoetaster, something like that17:03
rainemakpresumably17:03
KetoHaven't had time to read through the whole thing, so not sure of all the parts that might afect Sailfish OS. But would assume that basic things like requirement for security updates can be considered covered17:04
rainemakKeto, correct17:04
rainemaktime for open pull requests17:05
rainemakit sounds17:05
rainemak#topic Open Pull Requests (PRs) to discussion (5 mins -- asked by Jolla)17:05
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flypigThis hasn't yet reached the 3-week point, but I'll mention it anyway as I'd appreciate views on it.17:06
piggz[m]So, i understand the big scratchbox2 PR had some good testing, building all of devel?17:06
flypighttps://github.com/sailfishos/gst-droid/pull/8317:06
piggz[m]flypig: was good to read your progress on that PR17:07
malpiggz[m]: yes, seemed to work fine but still needs a proper review17:07
direc85[m]piggz, I was just going to ask if anyone has more feedback about it :)17:07
rainemak#link https://github.com/sailfishos/gst-droid/pull/8317:07
malI haven't yet had time to test that17:08
flypigThanks piggz[m], mal. It's not an area I really know about.17:08
rainemakshall we move to general discussion17:09
malalso the python 3.11 cross build issue mentioned in one earlier meeting was solved and python update should get integrated soon17:09
rainemakmal, that I like to cover still17:09
roundedrectanglthat is very nice17:10
poetaster3.11 would be nice indeed.17:10
flypig+1 on that.17:10
rainemakmal, do you have still pending others PRs that are related17:10
malnope, just the main python PR is still open17:11
rainemakgreat!17:11
rainemakto the general then17:12
rainemak#topic General discussion (10 mins or something)17:12
*** sailbot changes topic to "General discussion (10 mins or something) (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 23rd October 2025)"17:12
rainemakHow did you like the new newsletter section by pherjung[m] -- Community meeting summary17:12
rainemakI find it great!17:13
flypigLoved it! Great work pherjung[m]17:13
ExTechOpAny date for the Xperia 10 IV / V posting on the forum?17:13
poetasterworks for me :)17:13
pherjung[m]thank you very much! A good way to practice my English :)17:13
flypigI may stop coming to the meetings now ;)17:13
rainemakflypig, please don't :-)17:14
piggz[m]If anyone wants to see SailfishOS on a nice tablet, the volla tablet port is working quite nicely :)17:14
rainemakExTechOp, not from me unfortunately. Do you mal anything new to share regarding Xperia 10 IV / V?17:15
poetasterI thought it'd be a nice buzz for fossdem to show off a volla tablet with sfos.17:15
flypigpiggz[m], looks amazing.17:15
flypighttps://fosstodon.org/@piggz/11538353326749884617:15
malcamera has still been causing issues on x10iv and v17:16
flypighttps://fosstodon.org/@piggz/11538535597230157617:17
poetastermal, video related?17:17
malI mean camera doesn't work at all17:17
poetasterah. sigh. blob's your uncle.17:18
direc85[m]:D17:18
ExTechOpmal Is there any kind of idea when better blobs could arrive, or should I just give the 10V away?17:19
rainemakExTechOp, hard to put an estimate on that17:23
rainemaksame time, we surely want to get this released17:23
pherjung[m]Now that issues are on Github, would it be possible to use a label "Easy issue"?17:24
pherjung[m]Maybe some people would be interested to contribute to Sailfish, but don't have all the skills17:24
rainemakpherjung[m], afair that's something similar already.17:24
rainemakthere's17:24
rainemakgood first issue17:25
rainemaklet's start wrapping up17:26
poetasterit's wordle time. good evening to you all!17:26
flypigBest of luck poetaster!17:26
rainemakpoetaster, you too! nice to have you here as well17:27
rainemaklet's schedule next meeting17:27
rainemak#topic Next meeting time and date (2 mins)17:27
*** sailbot changes topic to "Next meeting time and date (2 mins) (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 23rd October 2025)"17:27
rainemakProposing Thursday 6th November at 04:00 PM UTC17:27
ExTechOprainmak Meta question: do you think there'll be a time when you can answer the question?17:27
flypigI think the clocks will change between now and then, right?17:27
direc85[m]Ah, yes.17:28
rainemakflypig, you're right I guess. didn't even check17:28
ExTechOpQuestion: would moving the time one hour earlier be inconvenient for participants, because this gets a bit late in Finland?17:28
rainemakExTechOp, it'd be fine with one hour earlier17:28
roundedrectanglquick update, i compiled qtmultimedia with opus support and guess what? it works!17:28
rainemakExTechOp, and you're right. it's kind of late already17:28
flypigroundedrectangl, amazing work!17:28
roundedrectanglyeah, but compiling took a while17:29
roundedrectangli guess i will make the pr now17:29
direc85[m]Well that was fast :) That's great!17:29
rainemak6PM HKI time?17:29
ExTechOp% date --date=2025-11-25T16:00:00Z17:30
ExTechOp2025-11-25T18:00:00 EET17:30
rainemakyeap17:30
direc85[m]Works for me17:30
flypigSo, that will leave it at the same start time in Finland?17:30
flypigOr did I misunderstand?17:30
flypigIt's fine either way though :)17:31
ExTechOpLeave the same time in UT, so daylight saving time will make it start at 1817:32
ExTechOpin Finland17:32
direc85[m]That's correct.17:32
rainemakso 04:00 PM UTC17:32
flypigOkay, so that's an hour earlier compared to today. Got it; thanks!17:32
rainemak#info Next meeting will be held on Thursday 6th November 2025 at 04:00pm UTC: 2025-11-06T1600Z17:33
rainemakthank you all!17:33
rainemak#endmeeting17:33
sailbotMeeting ended Thu Oct 23 17:33:17 2025 UTC.17:33
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sailbot Log: https://irclogs.sailfishos.org/meetings/sailfishos-meeting/2025/sailfishos-meeting.2025-10-23-16.00.log.html17:33
*** sailbot changes topic to "Next meeting will be held on October 9th 2025 at 04:00pm UTC: 2025-10-09T1600Z"17:33
*** rainemak changes topic to "Next meeting will be held on November 6th 2025 at 04:00pm UTC: 2025-11-06T1600Z"17:33
flypigThanks rainemak, all! Enjoyed the meeting as always (and of course I'll turn up in future even with pherjung[m]'s great summary!).17:33
direc85[m]Thanks everyone! Great to see lots of progress on the community side as well!17:34
roundedrectanglopened the pr, thanks everyone! https://github.com/sailfishos/qtmultimedia/pull/717:34
abrAren't the clocks changing? Is that accounted for in that time?17:34
abrI do get confused with timezones17:35
direc85[m]abr, it's one hour earlier here in Finland at least.17:35
ExTechOpThat is why I used the "date" command above17:35
ExTechOpThanks everyone!17:35
direc85[m]So yes, for both of your comments separately :)17:36
pherjung[m]the same in Switzerland/France17:36
flypigExTechOp, I hadn't thought of using date like that. Very neat!17:37
ExTechOpDaylight saving gets very confusing unless you do stuff like this.17:38
direc85[m]Heh, indeed! date typically makes fewer mistakes than me :)17:38
abrThat's a really good idea17:42
pherjung[m]Time to go. Have a good night :)17:45

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