Thursday, 2025-10-09

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rainemak#startmeeting Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 9th October 202516:00
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rainemak#info Meeting information and agenda can be found here:16:00
rainemak#link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/2494816:00
rainemakI am the meeting's chairperson today, and will be doing my best to keep time and order. Please respect the timings and bee-hive.16:00
rainemak#topic Brief introduction (5 min). Please prefix your name/handle with #info16:00
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rainemak#info Raine Mäkeläinen, Jolla16:00
ExTechOp#info Otto Makela, community16:00
mal#info mal, Jolla16:00
rubdos[m]#info Ruben -rubdos- De Smet, community16:00
ViGe#info Ville Nummela, community16:00
CLMA31[m]#info CLMA31, community16:00
flypig#info David Llewellyn-Jones, community16:00
direc85[m]#info Matti Viljanen, Jolla16:01
Nico#info Nico, community16:01
legacychimera247#info 247, community member16:01
rainemakoh, nice amount of participants!16:01
rainemakvery good16:01
Keto#info Pami Ketolainen, Jolla16:02
rubdos[m]Totally by accident. Virally couch bound today.16:02
mini_coe[m]#info Thorsten M., community16:02
ViGeI can't stay for long :(16:03
rainemakI'm having a bit flu or something, sore throat and almost deaf ear. Not stopping this thou.16:04
rainemakGood number of topics today. Please keep on asking. Kudos from multiple questions from CLMA31. I like this kind of activity.16:04
rubdos[m]very flu like here as well16:04
rubdos[m]The whole .eu I suppose. Ah well.16:04
NicoYeah, pretty much everone here caught something16:05
rainemakLet's get started16:05
rainemak#topic Amount of supported devices (10 mins -- CLMA31)16:05
rainemak#info <CLMA31> I am too new here to have historical package and understand that16:05
rainemak#info <CLMA31> this topic might be unpopular. But anyway is this list up to16:05
rainemak#info <CLMA31> date: Supported Devices | Sailfish OS Documentation? If so has it16:05
rainemak#info <CLMA31> been considered that most of the devices could be moved to16:05
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rainemak#info <CLMA31> “Ceased support” category? I don’t know if in reality keeping so16:05
rainemak#info <CLMA31> many models supported causes any extra work for upkeep. But I16:05
rainemak#info <CLMA31> would guess it does, which is why I ask. Wouldn’t it make more16:05
CLMA31[m]I have been thinking I bomb too many questions lately and dont leave enough space for other questions 😅16:05
rainemak#info <CLMA31> sense to focus only few models at the time and really fine tune16:05
rainemak#info <CLMA31> the user experience? Maybe it would make development like the16:05
rainemak#info <CLMA31> Perceived responsiveness of the UI easier and faster?16:05
rainemak#link https://docs.sailfishos.org/Support/Supported_Devices/16:05
rainemak#link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/perceived-responsiveness-of-the-ui/2499/8216:05
rainemakCLMA31[m], it's good, no worry. I'll start filtering if there are too many16:05
rainemakfiltering == moving to next meeting16:06
rainemak#info <Jolla> This we already somewhat answered in some other context. We said16:06
rainemak#info <Jolla> that we're not dropping older officially supported Sailfish OS16:06
rainemak#info <Jolla> devices. Quite commonly it's the kernel that dictates the timing16:06
rainemak#info <Jolla> of dropping older devices. We actually have a matrix of things to16:06
rainemak#info <Jolla> support being it number of devices, kernel version and AppSupport16:06
rainemak#info <Jolla> which is making it more difficult.16:06
rainemak#info <Jolla>16:06
CLMA31[m]Good, I wouldn't mind16:06
rainemak#info <Jolla> We have quite a wide community user base using in Xperia line16:06
rainemak#info <Jolla> devices which is super good. You are reporting issues and using16:06
rubdos[m]CLMA31 FYI, Raine is here via the OFTC bridge, so emoji responses won't work for them :)16:06
rainemak#info <Jolla> them. That's also part of way of doing things -- we want to16:06
rainemak#info <Jolla> support devices as long as it is feasible.16:06
rainemakrubdos[m], I can open both :-)16:07
* rubdos[m] checks participant list16:07
rainemakThere's quite is a great value of having multiple official supported ports along side with community ports16:09
rainemakThere's is a great value of having multiple official supported ports along side with community ports16:09
CLMA31[m]I see the benefits of supporting multiple devices for a long period of time as from a user perspective. I don't like to buy a new phone every two years either. Also great that there are options for everyone. Just wondering could the limited resources be used more efficiently with little less supported devices? At least until financial situation gets better --> more resources16:10
KetoThe list of supported devices looks a bit long, but basically what comes to supporting them the different variants of same model can be counted as one16:10
rubdos[m]Maybe worth noting that Jolla currently only actively does the C2 and two times two very alike Xperia 10 models afaik, so there's quite some "focus" in some sense I would say.16:10
rainemakKeto, thanks for adding that16:11
mini_coe[m]Should I buy Sony Xperia 10 III now?16:11
CLMA31[m]Keto: Definitely good thing to note. But there us also a lot of devices supported already more than 5years16:11
ExTechOpmini:16:11
rainemak4 mins16:11
ExTechOpmini_coe If you can live without working echo cancellation, sure.16:11
rainemakExTechOp, I lived with 10 III for many years16:12
ViGeI still have 10 III as my daily driver16:12
CLMA31[m]rubdos[m]: If this would be the official stance, would it make version updates easier and accelerate the development?16:12
ExTechOpSame here16:12
rainemakone practical trick is use headphones with 10 III... for example if you have a meeting that you'd need to participate16:12
CLMA31[m]I am up for something else also. Just tried to think some ways that would accelerate the development or make it easier16:13
mini_coe[m]I have a Sony 10 II since some years. But it responses more and more slower.16:13
ExTechOpA nicer practical trick would be to actually have the echo cancellation which somehow(?!) works with Android16:13
abrMe too with the 10iii. Weirdly never had the echo problem myself. (sorry I'm late)16:13
rubdos[m]Oh I always forget about the XA series. Nevermind my statement.16:13
rainemakCLMA31[m], it doesn't help much16:13
rubdos[m](or make it "thrice two very alike")16:13
KetoXperia XA2 and 10 support will probably end soon, as their old kernel versions and mixed 64/32bit flavor is causing issue...16:14
ViGeI also have encountered the echo problem like only two or three times ever16:14
CLMA31[m]rainemak: This was the answer that is enough for me. Need to keep thinking other ways16:14
rainemakKeto, that's correct but I think 5.1. will go with them still16:14
flypig+1 more on an Xperia 10 III and very happy with it. But I'm keen to move to the 10 V.16:14
direc85[m]I still have XA2 Ultra, it's great!16:14
rainemakCLMA31[m], great16:14
Ketoyeah, for 5.1 they are still ok16:14
rainemakwe're on time... let's move on16:14
rainemak#topic Open Sourcing: Expectations (10mins -- nephros)16:15
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rainemak#info <nephros> It’s great that the Open-Sourcing process has finally landed,16:15
rainemak#info <nephros> and we have seen repos (currently: Weather and Notes, with16:15
rainemak#info <nephros> Camera recently added) appear on Github.16:15
rainemak#info <nephros> In communications prior to the relicensing and publishing, it16:15
rainemak#info <nephros> has been said that depending on what happens with these “Test16:15
rainemak#info <nephros> Balloon” applications, more could follow.16:15
rainemak#info <nephros> What are the factors that are monitored at Jolla regarding this,16:15
rainemak#info <nephros> or what is the expectation of what kinds of community16:15
rainemak#info <nephros> contributions will happen?16:15
rainemak#info <nephros> In other words, what would be something that would indicate to16:15
rainemak#info <nephros> the ones in deciding positions that “Hey, Open-Sourcing has been16:15
rainemak#info <nephros> a great success for us, let’s do more of that!”.16:15
rainemak#info <Jolla> A very good question as well. As you may think, it's about the16:15
rainemak#info <Jolla> traction being contributions, bug reports, feature proposals,16:15
rainemak#info <Jolla> percieved welcoming, etc. At the same time, we want to be16:15
rainemak#info <Jolla> transparent on these. You can go and check what these open sourced16:15
rainemak#info <Jolla> apps do. What's the actual factor probably will be something that16:15
rainemak#info <Jolla> has likely a bit of objective and subjective aspects as all cannot16:15
rainemak#info <Jolla> be easily measured.16:15
rainemakTrust me, we're over measuring these.16:15
rainemakf**ck16:15
rainemakTrust me, we're not over measuring these.16:16
rubdos[m]lol16:16
rainemakyeap16:16
ViGe:-D16:16
ExTechOp\o/16:16
rainemakgood fun for everybody16:16
rubdos[m]I had a slight itch to look at the camera app source and dust off my background in image processing... but only very slight.16:16
NicoSo once you have 1000 PRs per year, you will open source everything, right?16:16
abranyone know what happened to the guy who said they'd switched the weather app to another provider? did they post any patches anywhere?16:17
rainemakI like this topic a lot. You have taken this very well on forum and this seems to create a positive spirit.16:17
rainemakrubdos[m], I think camera app and piggz[m] 's Advanced camera would go great together16:18
rainemakwe can surely have more options and settings16:18
ExTechOpA complete dilettante asks: now that these "traditional" applications are open source, what is the build process for them, ie. who decides when new releases get made? Do they get autobuilt into Chum, or what?16:18
NicoOnce I finished with my current construction project, I really need to look at the weather app, because my dad is bugging me about it a lot and helped me a lot...16:18
rainemakNico, let's first get some... Damien created one for notes already16:18
rainemak^ maybe account asked nephros could be next? who knows16:19
Nicorainemak, no, I always aim for the top to then get disappointed!16:19
NicoYour approach would be way to reasonable16:19
rainemakIt's also about your comments. What would you like to see next and why?16:20
rainemakplease add comments to the forum respected forum posts16:20
rainemak5mins16:20
KetoExTechOp: we are not going to start realasing the apps separately, at least any time soon. so any cahnges will land with the usual OS updates16:21
rubdos[m]My main itch would be to look at denoisening models, I think.16:21
NicoI'm really happy with the weather app being one of the first ones, it is nice and tangible. There is more stuff, but I don't even know, if those things are open or closed and what is part of it :D16:21
rubdos[m]Just steal some ideas from Darktable 🤔16:21
rainemakrubdos[m], +116:21
rainemakLet's get rid of that Foreca thingie16:22
CLMA31[m][@rubdos:rubdos.be](https://matrix.to/#/@rubdos:rubdos.be) +116:22
abrlast time i looked there were a few other features (like denoising) that could be set in the camera api. there was a desire internally to keep the ui simple, so a few never made it in, which is why advanced camera was started iirc16:22
rainemakI'd not aim first for plugin based rather something kiss16:22
rainemakabr, that I have changed already16:23
rubdos[m]Shouldn't even be in the UI imo.16:23
rainemakthe approach I mean16:23
rubdos[m]noise is noise, and if you have a good model for your sensor, it should just get applied :'-)16:23
abrcool!16:23
malabr: I think one way would be to have some advanced setting button in the camera ui16:23
abri remember there was a bool to set it.16:23
NicoMake the advanced use case the one, where you disable the denoise?16:23
abrslo-mo and timelapse for video too :)16:24
rubdos[m]Nico not even. The advanced setting gives you raw files. In my humble opinion :'-)16:24
rubdos[m]default is "best we can offer JPEG", and if you want fancy processing, get yourself a DNG and throw it in Darktable16:24
CLMA31[m]With future release notes it would be amazing to have a section for the open sourced native apps16:24
NicoYeah, sounds somewhat reasonable16:25
rainemakdo we need more time on this?16:25
rainemak5mins?16:25
rubdos[m]Uhh, maybe one last off-side remark from me: I won't really do anything voice or video or picture related as long as I can't access the camera on my IV :'-)16:26
rubdos[m]but iirc that's one of the next topics hehe16:26
rainemakwe have some probably shorter topics16:26
rainemakrubdos[m], next after that16:26
piggz[m]abr: advanced cam came around because i wanted HDR ... maybe an issue now is that there are multiple android APIs for talking to the camera, and mine uses the old one via gst.  Not sure if gst supports the newer API16:27
rubdos[m](voice, video, picture, includes Camera app contributions, and audio/video calls in WF...)16:27
abrpiggz[m]: there's been work in there to support api2 for ages so the 10iii and up would work properly. dunno how far along it is now16:27
rainemakcoming to the current weather, notes and camera? has this been a good starting point?16:28
rainemakhave we listened you?16:28
rubdos[m]I'd say that's a great start.16:28
flypigYes, same here. Very happy to see these.16:29
NicoYep!16:29
rainemakabr, discussed during summer at office about camera api2 but got feeling that current approach is not too far16:29
rainemaks/but/and/16:29
abrthat's good16:29
flypigAccounts would be good next... including Nextcloud integration :)16:30
rainemakalright, let's move on16:30
abr+1 on nextcloud16:30
rainemakflypig, let's see :)16:30
flypig:)16:30
malabr: video recording is not properly working, also some cleanup of settings side etc16:30
CLMA31[m]+1 on nextcloud16:30
abrnextcloud server running on the mind2 as well pls :)16:30
rainemaklet's continue on this on general if we have time left16:30
rainemak#topic Unable to set lock pin for Android apps requiring it (mins -- CLMA31)16:30
rainemak#info <CLMA31> There has been multiple persons reporting that they are unable to16:30
rainemak#info <CLMA31> set lock pin for Android apps that require it. Usually the apps16:30
rainemak#info <CLMA31> requiring the pin are quite crucial for peoples daily usage. Has16:30
rainemak#info <CLMA31> this been investigated by Jolla and is this at some roadmap on16:30
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rainemak#info <CLMA31> planned fixes? Here is couple links of the subjects: Unable to16:30
rainemak#info <CLMA31> set lock pin for Android apps requiring it & Android app16:30
rainemak#info <CLMA31> requiring lock pin16:31
rainemak#link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/unable-to-set-lock-pin-for-android-apps-requiring-it/1580616:31
rainemak#link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/android-app-requiring-lock-pin/820416:31
rainemak#info <Jolla> This is well an understood topic but again not so easy to tackle -- so has been investigated.16:31
rainemakthis is 5 mins, accidentally changed window...16:31
rainemakbut sure, we do understand the need16:32
CLMA31[m]Is this on any road map on problems to tackle with some wage timeline?16:32
rainemakCLMA31[m], I'd rather not make state on that as there are many other things already16:33
rainemakstatement16:33
CLMA31[m]A little bit related to this. I have been wondering if there could be voting system where (for example the people with monthly voluntary subscription) could vote the most critical bugs or missing features in their use case?16:33
rainemakCLMA31[m], we have been thingie that as well... let's what kind goodies we figure out.16:34
CLMA31[m]rainemak: Understandable. Also understand that native side is the most important but all help to AAS for transition is welcomed16:34
CLMA31[m]Good to hear!16:35
rainemakokey, time to move on16:35
rainemak#topic Any new information about next gen Jolla phone (5mins -- CLMA31)16:35
rainemak#info <CLMA31> Many of us are probably almost holding our breath if we could get16:35
rainemak#info <CLMA31> some updates on next gen Jolla phone. Most interesting topic on16:35
rainemak#info <CLMA31> this is, will there be next gen Jolla phone? There seem to be16:35
rainemak#info <CLMA31> more and more interest for alternative solutions and as Sailfish16:35
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rainemak#info <CLMA31> offers just that, but many which or need better HW phone. Is16:35
rainemak#info <CLMA31> there any updates regarding this?16:35
mini_coe[m]Are there any changes planed reg. the cyber resilience act in SFOS?16:35
rainemakmini_coe[m], general topic please16:35
rainemak#info <Jolla> Unfortunaly, we cannot reveal/expose this yet.16:35
rainemak#info <Jolla> Please, do understand.16:35
mini_coe[m]Ok. I'll propose it for the next meeting, sorry.16:36
CLMA31[m]Can understand, just too eager. Had to try....16:36
flypigCLMA31[m], just for clarification, what do you mean by "next gen"? Do you just mean "the next phone after the C2"?16:37
rainemakmini_coe[m], thank you16:37
rainemak#link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/next-gen-jolla-phone/2388216:37
CLMA31[m]Yes, the one where there were polls about hw specs16:37
flypigUnderstood; thanks CLMA31[m]!16:38
CLMA31[m]That one, thanks Raine!16:38
abrmini_coe[m]: you can bring it up in the 'general' topic at the end he means. no need to wait until next meeting (unless there isn't an immediate answer available...)16:38
rainemak2mins16:38
rainemakWe're quite booked already and that "cyber resilience act" would be very good also for the next topic16:39
rainemakabr, I think there are some topics that you'd like to continue as well16:40
abrwho me? :)16:40
rainemakall16:40
rainemakcamera, open sourcing, random discussion16:40
rainemaklet's move to the roadmapping16:41
rainemak#topic Roadmap (10mins -- Cryx)16:41
rainemak#info <Cryx> Having a general Roadmap again (and regular posts on the official16:41
rainemak#info <Cryx> Jolla blog) would be an addition to this topic - right know we all16:41
rainemak#info <Cryx> can just guess s into the blue to where the journey might go on16:41
rainemak#info <Cryx> both software and hardware side.16:41
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rainemak#info <Jolla> A very good raise by Cryx. Thank you.16:41
rainemak#info <Jolla> First thing is that we need to educate what is roadmap. Quite16:41
rainemak#info <Jolla> commonly what happens is that one carves the published roadmap16:41
rainemak#info <Jolla> into a stone. In reality, roadmap is a planning tool that changes16:41
rainemak#info <Jolla> over time. That's also reason why rainemak has not opened too long16:41
Cryx[m]Sorry, I'm late, but nothing to add...16:41
rainemak#info <Jolla> lasting roadmaps. It just cannot be a "snapshot" from a moment. #info <Jolla> We need to have a proper public tool that we can use as a16:41
rainemak#info <Jolla> discussion platform. Surely, blog is not good for that.16:41
rainemak#info <Jolla>16:41
rainemak#info <Jolla> Still writing to Jolla Blog is good. We're open to take16:41
rainemak#info <Jolla> contributions to there as well. Simple fact is that writing a16:41
rainemak#info <Jolla> superior blog compared to writing to announchement to Sailfish16:41
rainemak#info <Jolla> Forum takes much more time. Theoretically, we could communicate as16:41
rainemak#info <Jolla> much as you'd like but that's always away from something else.16:41
rainemakCryx[m], JIT16:41
rainemakPersonally I'd like to have an interactive addon on GitHub that each can follow16:43
rainemakNo blog post for static pngs16:43
rainemakNo blog post nor static pngs16:43
rainemakI think I need to increase my font size :-)16:44
flypigPersonally I'd prefer more frequent, less polished, announcements on the forum, than fewer polished announcements on the blog!16:45
rainemakRegarding Blog, I'm open to do a blog with of you -- surely credits would on author16:45
CLMA31[m]flypig: +1 to that!16:45
rainemakflypig, you probably know how time consuming polish blog is (even to Jolla Blog)16:46
ExTechOpI know writing a Polish blog would take a lot of time, since I don't read or write Polish.16:46
rainemakpolished16:47
rainemak:-)16:47
ExTechOp:-D16:47
piggz[m]+1 for flypig's awesome nightly reads16:47
Cryx[m]I think the community would like to get any information of development in a more frequent way. Just think on the Xperia IV/V...16:47
rainemakExTechOp, I'm copying and typing16:47
rainemakbare with me16:47
KetoI guess the community news posts on forum do work quite well as short term summary of what is going on?16:47
ExTechOp+1 Yes, Flypig's stuff is fun, even though a majority of the technical details escape me16:48
rainemakKeto, that's target... we can surely extend that more16:48
Cryx[m]Maybe community news are a way to. But up to now there were not really device and development focused.16:48
rainemakalso if you have ideas for the community news, please share them16:48
flypigThanks piggz[m], ExTechOp! The technical details escape me too most times sadly!16:49
rainemakshall we move to 10V?16:50
ExTechOp+1 !16:50
rainemaklet's leave a bit of time for general... I'm ok to go overtime as well16:50
rainemak16:50
rainemak#topic Xperia 10V (5mins -- koza)16:50
rainemak#info <koza> Get some official statement when or if ever we will get camera and16:50
rainemak#info <koza> rest of main phone features what does not work now ( mainly:16:50
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rainemak#info <koza> camera, jack audio, fingerprint). Just lot of people purchased16:50
rainemak#info <koza> these Xperias because Jolla promised that until xmass 2024… so16:50
rainemak#info <koza> would be nice to get real status to decide if selling device is16:50
rainemak#info <koza> better solution for all who wasted money caused by Jolla16:50
rainemak#info <koza> promises … thanks16:51
rainemak#info <Jolla> We'll get back to this with the dedicated topic that we promised16:51
rainemak#info <Jolla> earlier. We know that we get camera working, battery indicator16:51
rainemak#info <Jolla> working, maybe some others as well. Fingerprint is a hard nut to16:51
rainemak#info <Jolla> crack -- frankly it's very likely something that won't happen.16:51
rainemakWe are testing new blobs and integration.16:51
rainemakDo you mal have any insights?16:51
rubdos[m]oh wow, wasn't aware about the fingerprint sensor until now 🫣16:52
rainemakI used it already during spring as my daily along with Jolla C2.16:52
flypigFor those using it as a daily driver, how do you find it?16:52
malcamera has been difficult because of issues in the vendor blobs16:52
ViGeI have to go now and read the rest from the logs :/16:53
rainemakthanks ViGe for joining!16:53
ExTechOprainemak I think I've asked this before, but how does Sony itself avoid these issues, just load more proprietary bits with their Android to avoid the firmware issues?16:54
mini_coe[m]Is the 10 V better than the C2. Also from performance POV?16:55
malfingerprint would need monitoring certain communications on device with official android and reverse-engineer the protocol used16:55
rainemakExTechOp, Open Device Program is a different beast as market Sony.16:55
rainemakOpen Device Program may share some issues... not necessarily all of them16:56
rainemakHello, TheKit16:56
ExTechOpAh, I was under the impression that the blobs that came from Sony were parts of the same stuff that gets flashed with Android, apparently the aren't?16:56
abrNot at all, they're freshly developed for AOSP by the SODP team within Sony16:57
rainemakmaybe mal can elaborate more16:57
TheKitHello :). Sorry for coming out of blue, but do you think doing a community port on top of official blobs could solve some of the issues? Even if it Jolla would have more issues with redistribution in this case16:57
TheKitthe problem with Open Device Program is that they attempt to reimplement some of the HAL components, often in not fully feature complete way16:58
malyeah, the official android is quite different from sony aosp, including different blobs etc16:59
ExTechOpI've understood one of the issues here is also that they quite rarely deliver corrections for reported bugs in the blobs?16:59
rainemakLet's extend this a bit16:59
TheKitI think they fix the issues eventually, but do this for newer Android bases and then SailfishOS has to chase the changes16:59
rainemakwe have 3 topics to cover still (open pull requests, general, next meeting)17:00
abrbecause upgrading the base android version would be really tricky on an existing sfos install17:00
rainemakI'm happy to go over time if that suites you17:00
rubdos[m]that really changes my opinion on the ODP, wow.17:00
direc85[m]+117:00
ExTechOpI don't quite see why they re-develop bits that they have already done for the Android distribution, some strange Sony-internal political thing?17:02
rainemakthanks mal, TheKit, abr for elaborating... Maybe this is covered.17:02
filip#info Filip, community17:02
rainemakExTechOp, please let's not start speculating17:03
rainemaktime to move forward it sounds17:03
rainemak#topic Open Pull Requests (PRs) to discussion (5 mins -- asked by Jolla)17:03
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rainemakSmall contribution / issue reporting related PR for Camera (see my comments)17:04
rainemakhttps://github.com/sailfishos/jolla-camera/pull/217:04
piggz[m]oh, i might just chip in here, that yesterday we successfully built qt 6.8.3 on OBS using a branch of SB2 from Thaodan_  ... will this PR be getting merged, it appears to fix a long standing issue https://github.com/sailfishos/scratchbox2/pull/3917:05
rainemakMy thinking is that for each repository we'd create a simple README but common things would be in issue-tracker. How does that sound like?17:05
malpiggz[m]: as that PR is a rather big one it needs time to review and more testing like full rebuild of devel17:07
rainemakpiggz[m], could be something for 5.1. -- Keto / mal comments?17:07
rainemakmal, +117:07
malI'll do such a test build soon and see what happens17:07
piggz[m]mal knows it doesnt actually built itself .. i have a branch with a few small changes17:08
rainemakWould 22mins extra be ok?17:08
Ketoyeah, reviewing that sb2 PR has been on my todo list, but it's quite scary :)17:08
rainemakKeto, indeed... I don't dare to start reviewing nor I have time for it17:09
Ketoand I would think it can very well land on 5.1 if there isn't any major issues17:09
malKeto: maybe splitting the work a bit like reviewing all commits separate but dividing the work so nobody needs to check all17:10
piggz[m]it is awesome that it works though, makes us quite happy to not have the file permission issues from the old version17:10
rainemakmaybe ViGe has ideas as well even though he left already17:10
rainemak^ review perspective17:10
direc85[m]piggz: Great to hear it works well for you :)17:11
rainemaksplitting it is sounds like a good idea to me17:11
rainemakshould we move to general chatting... I doubt setting up next takes much time.17:12
malyes17:12
rainemak#topic General discussion (whatever left -- meeting end target 30mins past)17:12
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rainemakanything still from the roadmapping?17:13
rainemakor from Open Sourcing: Expectations17:14
rainemakat least these both created a lively discussions17:14
ExTechOpSo, when we can expect the Sony Xperia 10IV/V article?17:14
flypigRe: open sourcing. Keep up the good work!17:15
rainemakExTechOp, soonTM, once we get new blobs discussed and tested17:15
rainemakExTechOp, super hard to say more than that17:15
maljust a small comment about wpa3 topic which was moved to next meeting: we have a work in progress implementation which is still missing some parts and only seemed to work on some devices so more work is needed17:16
CLMA31[m]There was a question on the forum about the echo problem on Sony 10 III. Is it probably that it will be fixed soonish or is that something that Sony need to fix?17:16
TheKitregarding open sourcing, just a hopeful wishing would be to have the whole dependency chain of the open-sourced applications available, so it could be possible to compile them with community Qt 6.x for example17:16
ExTechOpCan you reveal anything on the process how the blobs would get updated, if I remember correctly this hasn't been done before?17:16
rainemakI pushed some old branches for notes and camera... tried to check whether they are out dated or not17:16
rainemakfor notes I liked the idea of bringing categories17:17
rainemakand replacing note coloring in favor of category17:17
filipI wonder how 5.1 testing is going. or will be another 5.0 before?17:17
rainemakfilip, I think we have one 5.0 still. We some good network fixes for Jolla c2.17:18
abrExTechOp: you would just need to flash that one partition with the new blob img. Not something you'd expect a general consumer to do, but advanced sfos users who've done a bit of flashing in their time should be fine with it.17:18
rainemakfilip, for 5.1. we just integrated new GCC and we need to run for a while17:18
filipgcc == scary upgrade jenga17:19
rainemakcorrect, but so far none after integrating it17:19
rainemakonly that one runtime buggie that we mentioned in the last week's newsletter17:19
ExTechOpabr This is not something that could be integrated into the normal OS update, but it would have to be a separate operation done with the specialized Android tools one needs for initial installation?17:19

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