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| stephg | morning everyone (evening lpotter if you're still up) | 08:54 |
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| energycsdx | morning | 08:55 |
| lpotter | :) just eating dinner | 08:56 |
| stephg | :) | 08:56 |
| energycsdx | lpotter: i have several problems with sensors | 08:57 |
| lpotter | wonderful | 08:57 |
| energycsdx | :) | 08:57 |
| stephg | ha | 08:58 |
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| energycsdx | lpotter: screen rotates in responce to orientation change only if i run messwerk and choose to show rotation sensor | 09:00 |
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| lpotter | what device? | 09:05 |
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| energycsdx | lpotter: xperia L | 09:31 |
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| jcbjoe_ | great os so far .. i wish nexus 4 had better battery life | 11:18 |
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| brick5492 | hello everyone | 12:09 |
| brick5492 | I've a question | 12:09 |
| brick5492 | Is there any open-source Dalvik runtime progress yet? I read about it that I could get some info about it here | 12:10 |
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| tbr | I haven't heard of any progress yet | 12:10 |
| brick5492 | oh | 12:10 |
| tbr | I have once seen something, outside of the sailfish context | 12:10 |
| tbr | it looked promising | 12:10 |
| brick5492 | Where did you saw that? | 12:11 |
| tbr | the problem is: I can't find the URL | 12:11 |
| brick5492 | Was it a Dalvik runtime for linux systems in general or something? | 12:11 |
| brick5492 | Oh | 12:11 |
| tbr | it was something like that, even came with a youtube video | 12:11 |
| brick5492 | that seems nice | 12:12 |
| brick5492 | gonna search for it, will post it here if I found something | 12:12 |
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| brick5492 | is it this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yp-1MdxfT8 | 12:14 |
| tbr | that's the commercial dalvik that jolla licensed for their device | 12:14 |
| brick5492 | yeah i know | 12:15 |
| brick5492 | but its the only youtube vid I can find about any kind of non-google Dalvik runtime | 12:15 |
| brick5492 | i gtg | 12:15 |
| brick5492 | cya guys | 12:15 |
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| vakkov | non-google dalvik ? lol :D wut wut ;D | 13:58 |
| locusf | yeah its the holy grail for porters | 13:59 |
| tbr | vakkov: I distinctly remember seeing a video where someone had some sort of AOSP build running in a framebuffer | 13:59 |
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| tbr | but I tried greping my logs several times and can't find it | 14:00 |
| vakkov | that was thp, i believe... but i have never seen a video, just a picture | 14:00 |
| vakkov | i tried it before | 14:00 |
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| tbr | can't be THP unless that was before he joined Jolla | 14:00 |
| vakkov | tbr: are you talking about nitdroid running in a window in harmatan? | 14:01 |
| vakkov | on the n950 iirc | 14:01 |
| tbr | vakkov: no | 14:01 |
| locusf | desktop? | 14:01 |
| tbr | the video was showing some sort of desktop environment and that thing was in a window | 14:01 |
| vakkov | many guys got android booting to homescreen on a desktop | 14:02 |
| vakkov | there were guides somewhere | 14:02 |
| tbr | the thing is to NOT use qemu and a kvm | 14:02 |
| locusf | we would only need the apps to run in wayland context | 14:02 |
| locusf | yeah, no virt, just ported dalvik or ART | 14:02 |
| tbr | that would give us some basic use cases | 14:05 |
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| tbr | ofc it would be all shades of awesome to have GLES and sound and whatnot, but well, it would be a start | 14:06 |
| vakkov | http://o.thp.io/tmp/2013-12-15_harmattan-nitdroid.png | 14:06 |
| vakkov | :P | 14:06 |
| tbr | ok, so before he was with jolla then | 14:07 |
| tbr | joining Jolla obviously means you can't work on that, because Jolla has contractual obligations towards Myriad | 14:07 |
| vakkov | i tried it in n900 before.. cant remember what was the problem. something with the kernel i think | 14:07 |
| locusf | thats just year ago | 14:07 |
| vakkov | http://infobot.rikers.org/%23n950club/20131223.html.gz | 14:07 |
| vakkov | yep, an year ago i decided to buy an n900 again :D | 14:08 |
| vakkov | locusf: that n9 3.5 kernel doesn't have any android patches, does it? | 14:09 |
| locusf | vakkov: afaik no | 14:09 |
| vakkov | locusf: and you still have the problem with the text in qml apps? | 14:09 |
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| locusf | vakkov: what problem? | 14:10 |
| locusf | I don't know about that | 14:10 |
| vakkov | ugh that was not the perfect description :D just a sec | 14:10 |
| vakkov | locusf: https://twitter.com/vgrade/status/451359113906495489 | 14:10 |
| vakkov | the framebuffer one | 14:11 |
| locusf | ah | 14:11 |
| vakkov | orientation one * it is still present, isn't it | 14:11 |
| locusf | hmm unless filippz fixed it, I'd assume there isn't one anymore | 14:11 |
| locusf | I mean we worked it around in glacier home | 14:11 |
| locusf | with homescreen rotation | 14:11 |
| vakkov | okaaay :P will try hybris with a hwcomposer then (there is the hwc ;D - https://github.com/CyanogenMod/android_device_lge_p970/tree/cm-10.1/hwc) | 14:12 |
| vakkov | btw n900's framebuffer is a little bit broken :D i was trying with an old x11 image (didnt want to mess up with wayland) | 14:13 |
| vakkov | i am talking about the 3.12 n900 kernel | 14:13 |
| locusf | whaaa theres a 3.12 kernel for it :D ? | 14:13 |
| vakkov | yep? :D it is supposed to boot maemo although i never succeeded... but i can boot nemo right before the sgx pvr driver .. | 14:14 |
| vakkov | after tat i codedropped an old working framebuffer (they did the same with the n9 kernel update :D) | 14:14 |
| vakkov | but it needs some fixing and to be fair many things have changed after 3.8 .... 3.5 seems easier to port | 14:15 |
| vakkov | http://elinux.org/N900#Kernel_git_repository_for_N900 | 14:15 |
| tbr | AFAIU N900 should be able to boot vanilla kernel.org | 14:15 |
| tbr | BUT that might be barely enough to get a UART console or fb-console | 14:16 |
| tbr | and would have probably no power-saving or other fancy features | 14:16 |
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| locusf | its sad that my n900 is gathering dust on my table :/ | 14:19 |
| tbr | yup, have a few of those too :/ | 14:22 |
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| vakkov | if only i could uart the n900 :D might try again at home | 15:26 |
| hedayat | brick5492: BTW, I don't think that you need a non-google dalvik; it is already an open-source dalvik itself! | 15:31 |
| hedayat | What I see a while back was some effort to build a x86 dalvik; but it is also working fine thanks to Android x86. | 15:33 |
| hedayat | I think, what porters need is an X/wayland compatible android runtime; rather than dalvik vm, which can be easily run in other OSes (e.g. Harmattan). | 15:34 |
| hedayat | Posts by liar in this topic should be interesting to anyone interested in Android compatibility: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=88250&page=18 | 15:45 |
| hedayat | sorry for all the noice! :P | 15:45 |
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| locusf | krnlyng is here too | 15:56 |
| hedayat | locusf: ah thanks; good to know. I might need to talk to him soon. | 15:58 |
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| vakkov | hedayat: nothing new - https://github.com/thp/apkenv/pull/55 | 16:01 |
| hedayat | vakkov: :D yes, I know that is not new; but didn't know that you are there too! ;) | 16:02 |
| energycsdx | btw, what technical reasons prevents to sideload aliendalvik from jolla phone? | 16:02 |
| hedayat | I was mostly wondering why should someone look for a non-google dalvik. | 16:02 |
| hedayat | energycsdx: I don't remember the details right now, but it seems that there are some hardware dependent bits there. Hopefully someone else can explain more details. | 16:04 |
| hedayat | I could be wrong | 16:04 |
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| locusf | vakkov: cool | 16:47 |
| locusf | so its not exactly sailfish but sdl | 16:47 |
| vakkov | a vanilla kernel would even have a wroking framebuffer on the n900 hahahaha | 16:53 |
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| krnlyng | locusf: ? | 18:25 |
| locusf | krnlyng: I just pointed you out to hedayat | 18:25 |
| locusf | krnlyng: good job on the SDL implementation for apkenv, I'm trying it out right now on my maguro | 18:27 |
| jcbjoe_ | locusf: you helped me ealier had 1 more thing .. since nexus 4 has a really bad battery and i was running salfish on it seems nice .. can i flash another kernel to help with battery or am i just stuck with default kernel ? or should the default salfish kernel do the job ? | 18:29 |
| krnlyng | just a random thought... it should be possible to port the android emulator to the n9 , in more detail running both the emulated android goldfish (without actually emulating it with qemu because it is arm) and the renderer on the n9 | 18:29 |
| krnlyng | locusf: unfortunately it crashes on the jolla phone | 18:29 |
| krnlyng | i haven't looked to much into why it crashes yet | 18:30 |
| locusf | krnlyng: yes thats why I'm trying to run it on maguro, it has open libhardware libhybris library so I can see about the crash details more easily | 18:30 |
| locusf | jcbjoe_: you can only run the kernel provided with the .zip file | 18:30 |
| jcbjoe_ | k | 18:31 |
| krnlyng | and back to the thoughts, the only thing which would require some work is probably the qemud interface which handles communication between goldfish and the renderer | 18:31 |
| jcbjoe_ | locusf: figured .. with a nexus4 if i use it with heavy usage i would probably get at least 3 hours | 18:32 |
| krnlyng | vakkov: might be interesting for you too | 18:32 |
| locusf | jcbjoe_: okay, SailfishOS is quite battery optimized already | 18:32 |
| jcbjoe_ | oh | 18:32 |
| locusf | krnlyng: error: 'SDL_OPENGLES' undeclared (first use in this function) <- how do I fix this? | 18:32 |
| locusf | krnlyng: I'm using Mer SDL2 libraries | 18:33 |
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| krnlyng | locusf: hmm maybe try SDL_OPENGL, but i don't know if that does the right thing, maybe thp knows | 18:35 |
| locusf | krnlyng: this is while compiling the fremantle platform, should I just comment it and move on to compile sailfishos? | 18:36 |
| krnlyng | locusf: ah you should set the platform variable to sailfish in config.mk | 18:37 |
| locusf | krnlyng: ah ok :) | 18:37 |
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| krnlyng | brb | 18:40 |
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| vakkov | actually it was not working with config.mk here | 18:44 |
| vakkov | i was exporting PLATFORM or whatever it was called | 18:44 |
| vakkov | locusf: you'll get a segfault on the maguro | 18:45 |
| locusf | vakkov: yup so I did | 18:45 |
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| locusf | vakkov: http://pastie.org/9778586 <- looking familiar? | 18:46 |
| vakkov | locusf: yep, was something like that | 18:47 |
| vakkov | locusf: btw, are you running update 8 | 18:48 |
| locusf | vakkov: nope, latest Nemo | 18:48 |
| locusf | :) | 18:48 |
| vakkov | lol :D nice | 18:48 |
| vakkov | i gotta try this | 18:48 |
| krnlyng | locusf: you didn't get a segfault on SDL_CreateWindow? | 18:50 |
| locusf | krnlyng: nope, its because I have a lacking system | 18:51 |
| locusf | krnlyng: make install etc | 18:51 |
| locusf | hmm I guess I really do need the separate target for compiling apkenv for maguro only | 19:04 |
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| locusf | krnlyng: vakkov: what app are you using for testing? | 19:26 |
| locusf | the android app I mean | 19:26 |
| krnlyng | locusf: i used pvz, and fruit ninja if it should be a more simple app | 19:27 |
| krnlyng | i use pvz mainly because i wrote the inital marmalade module :D | 19:27 |
| krnlyng | so i am familiar with the code | 19:27 |
| locusf | cool :) | 19:27 |
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| locusf | krnlyng: http://pastie.org/9778666 <- I'm getting segfault at a weird location | 19:29 |
| krnlyng | (not trying to brag or anything - ... i think i only make it worse) | 19:29 |
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| krnlyng | hmm | 19:30 |
| locusf | let me try on nemo jolla | 19:33 |
| krnlyng | what app is that? | 19:33 |
| locusf | Nemo Mobile on Jolla device | 19:34 |
| krnlyng | no i meant which game? | 19:34 |
| krnlyng | have you tried with linker debug messages? | 19:35 |
| locusf | krnlyng: pvz | 19:36 |
| locusf | krnlyng: how do I enable the debug msgs? | 19:36 |
| locusf | http://pastie.org/9778675 <- here is the whole trace | 19:37 |
| locusf | built with debugging symbols | 19:37 |
| krnlyng | locusf: debug_verbosity in linker/linker_debug.h but i doubt it will give us any more insight... | 19:40 |
| locusf | krnlyng: I'm trying with maguros dalvik | 19:40 |
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| krnlyng | locusf: which version of pvz? i don't remember which version of pvz worked unfortunately | 19:40 |
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| locusf | krnlyng: 1.1.2 | 19:41 |
| krnlyng | locusf: http://wiki.maemo.org/Apkenv/Game_Compatibility says 1.3.16 should work | 19:41 |
| locusf | krnlyng: I'll test fruit ninja | 19:43 |
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| jcbjoe_ | anyone know how to add there twitter account to sailfishos ? i just added my google account ? | 19:47 |
| vakkov | i was testing with fruitninja | 19:48 |
| vakkov | saim output | 19:48 |
| locusf | vakkov: with SDL_CreateWindow? | 19:51 |
| vakkov | wut wut | 19:52 |
| locusf | vakkov: segfault? | 19:53 |
| vakkov | the segfault was the same you got with angrybirds | 19:53 |
| locusf | vakkov: with maguro? | 19:53 |
| locusf | it appears then that this gles version is not really compatible libhybris or something | 19:54 |
| vakkov | yes, maguro, sailfish :D | 19:54 |
| locusf | vakkov: did you remember to compile with maguro libhybris gles headers? | 20:11 |
| vakkov | yes, yes | 20:11 |
| locusf | cool :) | 20:15 |
| rum | has anyone heard anything about Jolla making Alien Dalvik available to ported SF, once paid apps are finally in? | 20:25 |
| locusf | #1 0x40949904 in __cxa_atexit () from /system/lib/libc.so | 20:26 |
| locusf | thats wrong libc | 20:26 |
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| locusf | sledges: is there a path somewhere which points to /system/lib before /usr/lib? | 20:29 |
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| locusf | gaah | 20:47 |
| locusf | this is way beyond me now :p | 20:47 |
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| RaYmAn | hm, how do I go about adding symbols or replacing packages with symbols? It makes it a bit hard to debug with stripped binaries/libraries =P | 23:19 |
| RaYmAn | (for e.g. libhybris I mean) | 23:19 |
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