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| Nokius | gm | 08:15 |
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| nh1402 | morning | 08:15 |
| drFaustroll | morgen | 08:16 |
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| sledges | troning! | 09:12 |
| * stephg parp | 09:18 | |
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| lake11 | hei | 09:36 |
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| sledges | hello lake11:) | 09:59 |
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| ghosalmartin | morning | 10:00 |
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| ghosalmartin | anyone going to the mwc | 10:12 |
| Stskeeps | i'm | 10:15 |
| ghosalmartin | found out two of my team are going today | 10:17 |
| nh1402 | ghosalmartin: without you? | 10:19 |
| ghosalmartin | yeahh, i only joined this team a few weeks back so was too late. No sunny barcalona for me :P | 10:19 |
| nh1402 | ghosalmartin: working in mobile development? | 10:22 |
| ghosalmartin | nh1402: yeahh am technically an android dev | 10:22 |
| nh1402 | ghosalmartin: I'm classified as a Software Developer, but I'm really just a web dev, with the current project being an android app, and then ios *spits* | 10:26 |
| ghosalmartin | nh1402: yeah about same software dev, happy to work on anything that isnt javascript | 10:26 |
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| nh1402 | well the new standard isn't too bad, but its just not supported on the current web browsers | 10:44 |
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| ghosalmartin | nh1402: yeha but that takes forever | 10:49 |
| ghosalmartin | and legacy support | 10:49 |
| hashcore | I got an error http://paste.debian.net/379168/, is it just cosmentics or should I find solution to it? | 10:56 |
| dr_gogeta86 | porters ... good morning | 11:00 |
| nh1402 | ghosalmartin: yh internet explorer support *spits* | 11:09 |
| sledges | ghosalmartin: QML is javascript :D well, more like JSON i'd guess | 11:09 |
| ghosalmartin | sledges: it is, but theres structure | 11:11 |
| sledges | yep, i know what you mean http://bellard.org/jslinux/ | 11:11 |
| dr_gogeta86 | sledges, emscripten is worse https://github.com/kripken/emscripten/wiki | 11:12 |
| taaem | morning | 11:13 |
| sledges | odear:) | 11:14 |
| sledges | hey taaem | 11:14 |
| taaem | sledges: hows it going? | 11:14 |
| sledges | taaem: full steam, and you?;) | 11:14 |
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| * Siltaar supporter of Sailfish OS port on Fairphone 2 | 11:15 | |
| taaem | sledges: excited since i'm going to the us in 2 weeks | 11:15 |
| taaem | cause* | 11:15 |
| dr_gogeta86 | taaem, pvt pls | 11:16 |
| hashcore | I got an error http://paste.debian.net/379168/, is it just cosmentics or should I find solution for it? | 11:16 |
| sledges | dr_gogeta86: is this a national secret?;) | 11:18 |
| sledges | Siltaar: welcome aboard! | 11:18 |
| dr_gogeta86 | is a secret just for OPX owner ;-) | 11:18 |
| sledges | :D | 11:19 |
| dr_gogeta86 | btw a friend asked me for a phablet with active port | 11:19 |
| dr_gogeta86 | i've pointed him to find7 | 11:19 |
| dr_gogeta86 | but is pretty unavaiable in italy | 11:20 |
| dr_gogeta86 | sledges, did build by hand sfdroid | 11:35 |
| dr_gogeta86 | ? | 11:35 |
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| mal- | hashcore: your android_external_lzma is too old | 11:51 |
| nh1402 | did someone say sfdroid | 11:55 |
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| Nokius | Stskeeps: have fun at mwc | 12:15 |
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| Nokius | dr_gogeta86: find7a and find7s so 2014 | 12:16 |
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| sledges | Nokius: thanks, we'll try :D | 12:25 |
| stephg | http://repo.merproject.org/obs/home:/slava:/test/sailfishos_2.0.0.10_latest_armv7l/armv7hl/ is the latest ofono yeah? | 12:27 |
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| stephg | answering my own question apparently so yes | 12:32 |
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| Nokius | sledges: I lost teh connection | 12:39 |
| Nokius | stephg: zes there is also a repo from mal- https://build.merproject.org/project/show/home:mal:testing2 | 12:40 |
| * sledges going to MWC as well | 12:40 | |
| stephg | Nokius: ta | 12:40 |
| Nokius | sledges: oh | 12:40 |
| * Nokius wonder if we have not used tickets at work :s | 12:40 | |
| mal- | stephg: that repo also fixes some issues with statefs when using latest ofono, also some issues I encountered on fp2 related to connman | 12:41 |
| Nokius | still a dreeam to go there | 12:41 |
| mal- | does anyone have experience installing a zip using fastboot update? | 12:42 |
| stephg | mal-: ok thanks | 12:42 |
| stephg | will try with his then with yours | 12:42 |
| taaem | When does MWC begins? | 12:44 |
| sledges | 22nd Feb | 12:45 |
| Nokius | taaem: it's not payable if u have not a sponsor the ticket is $$$$$$ | 12:46 |
| Nokius | plus travel plus stay :,( | 12:46 |
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| Nokius | taaem: checked once when I was younger and then I found out that I will hardly make it there | 12:53 |
| Nokius | even if I work now in mobile tech inc, but in the wrong department but getting closer :D | 12:53 |
| ggabriel | when I try to check prices for mwc, I get an "Error establishing a database connection" | 12:54 |
| ggabriel | probably int overflow :P | 12:55 |
| ggabriel | ok, the price is insane to see yet another android device... | 12:57 |
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| ghosalmartin | sledges: i cant type anything? | 13:33 |
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| sledges | seemingly you are typing | 13:35 |
| ghosalmartin | sledges: into that jslinux | 13:38 |
| ghosalmartin | oh wait | 13:39 |
| ghosalmartin | its loaded | 13:39 |
| hashcore | mal-:How can I update android_external_lzma | 13:42 |
| mal- | hashcore: edit manifest | 13:42 |
| mal- | hashcore: i.e. change the revision of that repo | 13:44 |
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| sledges | PSA: Sailfish OS collab @ #mer-meeting in a minute ;) | 14:28 |
| ggabriel | ta, lurking away | 14:29 |
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| Nokius | sledges: stephg: Sorry I have not time the license is CC for the cm wiki we can use it as webosport did | 15:10 |
| Nokius | busy at work manager is going creazy | 15:10 |
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| Aoyagi_trashtop | So how hard is it to port Sailfish OS to a new device? | 15:15 |
| mal- | depends on the device, what device are you thinking? | 15:15 |
| Aoyagi_trashtop | Err, nothing in particular. But I assume it has to be something that's running Android. | 15:16 |
| mal- | Aoyagi_trashtop: yes, and you have to have either cyanogenmod 11.0 or 12.1 (and hopefully soon 13.0) or aosp5 sources available for the device | 15:17 |
| Aoyagi_trashtop | I shouldn't have looked at what's for sale nowadays... | 15:21 |
| Aoyagi_trashtop | BB Priv looks kinda nice. | 15:23 |
| Aoyagi_trashtop | If it wasn't so gigantic. | 15:23 |
| mal- | Aoyagi_trashtop: there are also some limitations which architecture it can have | 15:25 |
| Aoyagi_trashtop | I see. | 15:25 |
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| locusf | well that usually applies to exotic devices like new devices and x86 | 15:25 |
| mal- | yes | 15:26 |
| mal- | either 32-bit arm or 64-bit x86 | 15:26 |
| locusf | also 32bit x86 :) | 15:26 |
| locusf | but still | 15:26 |
| mal- | ok | 15:26 |
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| nh1402 | Phones are starting to come out with 4GB DDR4 RAM, it's starting to get ridiculous | 15:34 |
| nh1402 | not really ridiculous per-se that happened long ago when people started releasing giant phones | 15:34 |
| nh1402 | and idiots using 7inch tablets as a full on phone. | 15:35 |
| mal- | which makes apps and OS even more memory hungry because people don't need to care about it | 15:35 |
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| nh1402 | which is the wrong way of doing things | 15:37 |
| Aoyagi_trashtop | Consumer tech is going to hell, eh | 15:38 |
| Aoyagi_trashtop | I've just checked GSM arena, there are two phones in total that would fit my requirements... oh well | 15:39 |
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| nh1402 | Aoyagi_trashtop: which ones | 15:41 |
| Aoyagi_trashtop | http://tinyurl.com/h4he5l7 and I gotta go, sorry | 15:42 |
| Aoyagi_trashtop | S4 and some "Viper" | 15:42 |
| Aoyagi_trashtop | oh, and both of those lack physical keyboard, heh | 15:43 |
| Aoyagi_trashtop | (whici is why I originally checked BB Priv) | 15:43 |
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| nh1402 | lg g5 might come with a magical port, that could see a keyboard attachment | 15:45 |
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| nh1402 | not sarcasm | 15:49 |
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| r0kk3rz | sledges: stephg: re the meeting today, did you want to split the libhybris table up into a maintained / unmaintained section? | 17:42 |
| r0kk3rz | or even a released/unreleased might be useful | 17:44 |
| locusf | rather per device pages | 17:45 |
| nh1402 | what about colour coding the name section | 17:45 |
| nh1402 | for mantained and unmaintained | 17:46 |
| r0kk3rz | locusf: sure, my point was for a number of things in the table, theres nothing to put on a device page | 17:46 |
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| locusf | r0kk3rz: true | 17:54 |
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| nh1402 | locusf: what is the difference with a pure port and a libhybris based port? | 18:20 |
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| locusf | nh1402: just that its non-libhybris | 18:24 |
| locusf | no android as base | 18:24 |
| locusf | just install sailfish/nemo as normal linux | 18:24 |
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| r0kk3rz | locusf: would be nice to glorify those as well | 18:25 |
| r0kk3rz | few though there may be | 18:25 |
| locusf | n9 + rpi2 | 18:25 |
| nh1402 | what about the kerenl level could you use the latest linux kernel | 18:25 |
| locusf | qcom devices from sony should reach mainline at some point | 18:25 |
| nh1402 | why do you say that. | 18:26 |
| locusf | I talked with jerpelea at FOSDEM | 18:26 |
| locusf | thats why :) | 18:26 |
| locusf | he's the guy leading the effort | 18:27 |
| locusf | n9 mainline kernel probably might not work | 18:27 |
| locusf | rpi2 is almost mainline | 18:27 |
| locusf | but not quite | 18:27 |
| locusf | chip should be the most likely candidate | 18:27 |
| nh1402 | would there be any performance and/or battery consumption improvements | 18:28 |
| r0kk3rz | usually its the other way around | 18:29 |
| locusf | well it does drop a layer from the system calls | 18:29 |
| locusf | but its yet to be studied | 18:29 |
| locusf | we don't have eg. pure phone adaptations | 18:30 |
| locusf | and n9 has its android but its too old for any effective libhybris testing | 18:30 |
| locusf | vakkov did have ideas on using androids hwcomposer on n9 | 18:31 |
| nh1402 | how would one test the difference | 18:31 |
| locusf | easy | 18:32 |
| locusf | use libhybris port for a while, take measurements | 18:32 |
| locusf | switch to pure port, take measurements | 18:32 |
| locusf | compare results | 18:32 |
| nh1402 | what measurements | 18:32 |
| locusf | powertop for example | 18:33 |
| locusf | trace systemcalls | 18:33 |
| locusf | err well | 18:33 |
| locusf | I don't really know more :p | 18:33 |
| * piggz is viewig hex replies again :/ | 18:33 | |
| locusf | piggz: debugging ril? | 18:34 |
| piggz | locusf: yup .... so nearly got a data connection | 18:34 |
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| locusf | its all about those AT commands | 18:35 |
| locusf | get those right and go | 18:35 |
| locusf | at least thats what it was like doing the same things with pppd back in 2005 | 18:35 |
| piggz | its parsing the ril replies thats the problem .... version 6 is implemented in ofono, but not v4 | 18:35 |
| nh1402 | a pure port would still be device specific though wouldn't it | 18:36 |
| locusf | nh1402: yes | 18:37 |
| locusf | hmm | 18:38 |
| locusf | maybe not on Sony devices | 18:38 |
| locusf | they have unified kernel but differ only by device tree binary | 18:38 |
| locusf | but the kernel still needs to be configured correctly | 18:38 |
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| nh1402 | it's only the Sony devices that share a unified kernel, all the other manufacturers don't do that do they, I don't really have any experience with any other device, just had an Xperia Ray and a Nexus 5. | 18:40 |
| piggz | locusf: monich: i got 'Connected limited connectivity' ! | 18:44 |
| piggz | bb | 18:44 |
| piggz | monich: if you can suggest anything from these replies: https://paste.kde.org/psx9avnqb | 18:45 |
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| * piggz is getting good at decoding replies :) | 18:46 | |
| monich | piggz: SETUP_DATA_CALL reply? | 18:48 |
| locusf | nh1402: yes | 18:50 |
| monich | piggz: https://github.com/android/platform_hardware_ril/blob/7f8ded1d/include/telephony/ril.h#L1268 | 18:58 |
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| vgrade | nh1402: the sony efforts are aimed at qcom platforms so may be useful on other OEM devices | 19:11 |
| locusf | oh yes I forgot to mention that | 19:11 |
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| Litew | Is there any way to turn Developer mode on after turning it off? It asks Jolla account for enabling it back, and Terminal is gone | 19:19 |
| Litew | No ssh/telnet either | 19:20 |
| Litew | Shoot in the foot...ok | 19:21 |
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| stephg | Litew: hm | 19:21 |
| stephg | you may be able to hack at early boot with the telnet... | 19:21 |
| Litew | So this is normal state to ask Jolla account to enable dev mode? Just asking | 19:24 |
| Litew | Since my imei is not registered | 19:24 |
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| piggz | monich: hey | 19:36 |
| piggz | monich: its a bit odd that the response for setup_data_call get handed to ril_data_call_list_parse() ?? | 19:40 |
| piggz | which explains why ive had trouble parsing it in that function! | 19:40 |
| dwangoAC | Has there been any progress on making Sailfish run inside of an app sandbox in Android? | 19:43 |
| dwangoAC | (I haven't checked on this in a long, long while) | 19:43 |
| nh1402 | I've not heard of that project | 19:46 |
| nh1402 | unless you're talking about the exact opposite | 19:46 |
| dwangoAC | nh1402: It was in a thread on XDA a couple of years ago | 19:46 |
| dwangoAC | nh1402: Well, I'm actively testing the exact opposite :) | 19:46 |
| dwangoAC | But sadly, I may be forced by my company to use a corporate supplied phone with heavy encryption, running Android | 19:46 |
| dwangoAC | And if I refuse, I give up the ability to get E-Mail | 19:47 |
| monich | piggz: these days it's all RIL_Data_Call_Response (various versions of it) | 19:48 |
| dwangoAC | There might yet be one other opening; they are using MobileIron, so it's *possible* I could find a way to manually install it inside of sfdroid, but it would be best if I could do that in a "sandbox", because there's another restrcition that says we can't have any media on devices (i.e. no songs or videos) | 19:48 |
| dwangoAC | And if MobileIron is running they get full control to check for that, which is just silly | 19:48 |
| dwangoAC | So if I stick with Sailfish as the primary OS I'd ideally like to wall all of that off to an sfdroid "sandbox", and have a second sfdroid instance for personal use | 19:49 |
| dwangoAC | nh1402: Granted, this is all very lofty thinking on my part | 19:49 |
| nh1402 | remember sfdroid is still alpha, I wouldn't advise it to be installed on a primary rom | 19:50 |
| dwangoAC | nh1402: Oh, of course, I fully understand that :) | 19:50 |
| dwangoAC | nh1402: Although I am technically, I have my Nexus 4 in my pocket running sfdroid | 19:51 |
| dwangoAC | nh1402: And it's been my primary device the past few weeks | 19:51 |
| nh1402 | have you installed the latest version | 19:51 |
| nh1402 | reducing cpu usage | 19:51 |
| dwangoAC | nh1402: Not yet, need to | 19:51 |
| dwangoAC | nh1402: I want to move to Nexus 5 | 19:51 |
| dwangoAC | But the framerate there is around 20 fps at all times unless I'm connected to a charger | 19:52 |
| dwangoAC | At which point it mysteriously goes up | 19:52 |
| nh1402 | there was a deal somewhere for the Nexus 5 for a cheap price | 19:52 |
| dwangoAC | nh1402: Er, I mean, I have both a Nexus 4 and a Nexus 5 | 19:52 |
| dwangoAC | but the Nexus 5 isn't behaving well enough for sfdroid to be usable | 19:52 |
| dwangoAC | (By my needs, anyway) | 19:52 |
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| Qno_ | s4 mini detects sim now. Funny part is that this poor fellow is sim-locked:) Sad part is that i have to use windows to unlock it:( | 19:59 |
| Litew | Nope, all good, just needed to switch between Connect to PC and Dev mode several times to get telnet back | 20:00 |
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| stephg | Litew: cool (sorry, was having dinner) | 20:35 |
| stephg | which device btw | 20:35 |
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| Litew | stephg: Xiaomi Redmi 1S | 21:13 |
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| sledges | r0kk3rz: maintained/unmaintained is attemped to be reflected via Active/Past porters: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris/porters | 23:37 |
| dwangoAC | sledges: By the way, thank you very much for making Nexus 5 work so well - I hope to swing over to it as soon as I can work out some sfdroid issues and figure out why the touchpad still bugs out sometimes, but it's looking to be one of the best non-Jolla devices for Sailfish OS thanks to your initial efforts | 23:40 |
| dwangoAC | (Well, there were a lot of other people who helped out in the past on that as well) | 23:40 |
| dwangoAC | sledges: Any word on when there will be another Jolla phone in general or an official Jolla phone in the US? | 23:41 |
| dwangoAC | *touchscreen | 23:41 |
| sledges | dwangoAC: thanks for kind words, but it was mainly untying community's hands who did so well | 23:42 |
| sledges | dwangoAC: i remember you used n4 at first, that has sfdroid too ;) (coming) | 23:42 |
| dwangoAC | sledges: Heh - there is great power there :) | 23:42 |
| dwangoAC | sledges: I have the Nexus 4 in my pocket right now, running sfdroid | 23:42 |
| sledges | main sfdroid dev thought he'd buy himself a device finally:D as opposed to coding blind | 23:43 |
| sledges | that was one helluvan effort:)) | 23:43 |
| dwangoAC | sledges: but the same things that you might recall held me back before still hold me back now - I am legally required to use a hands-free kit and Nexus 4 does not have working Bluetooth | 23:43 |
| sledges | how is n4 vs n5 sfdroid? | 23:43 |
| sledges | true true.. | 23:43 |
| dwangoAC | sledges: And the Nexus 4 has very, very short vibration which means I miss calls all the dang time (this annoys me much) | 23:43 |
| sledges | which n4 build are you running? | 23:43 |
| dwangoAC | sledges: I'm running the "latest" on N4 | 23:43 |
| sledges | cm11? | 23:44 |
| dwangoAC | sledges: Regarding N4 vs. N5 sfdroid comparison, the N4 is much smoother, I seem to be seeing a framerate issue on N5 | 23:44 |
| dwangoAC | And battery life had been awful | 23:44 |
| dwangoAC | sledges: cm10 on N4 | 23:44 |
| dwangoAC | sledges: cm11 on N5, of course | 23:44 |
| sledges | there is cm11 on n4 | 23:45 |
| sledges | by ballock ;) | 23:45 |
| dwangoAC | sledges: Now, N4 had awful battery life with sfdroid, but I gather there was a build yesterday to address high CPU usage that I'll try out, but my destination is hopefully Nexus 5 | 23:45 |
| sledges | still no sound, but close | 23:45 |
| dwangoAC | sledges: Right | 23:45 |
| dwangoAC | sledges: Yeah, that's a detriment to using it, you might say... :) | 23:45 |
| sledges | i already watched youtube vids on it:) | 23:45 |
| sledges | mute though:D | 23:45 |
| dwangoAC | sledges: Heh, silently | 23:45 |
| sledges | but browser video integration was out of box | 23:45 |
| sledges | so was camera | 23:46 |
| sledges | hacks free | 23:46 |
| dwangoAC | sledges: But, yeah, will Jolla release an official phone in the US ever? :) | 23:46 |
| sledges | and recording iirc | 23:46 |
| dwangoAC | (I know, I know, I pushed too hard last year too) | 23:46 |
| sledges | dwangoAC: what do you think? ;) | 23:46 |
| dwangoAC | sledges: Well, I really hope so, but it's been so long | 23:46 |
| dwangoAC | sledges: The tablet project and all that was obviously a distraction, and I'm just hoping there's a refreshed device in the works | 23:46 |
| dwangoAC | sledges: I'll be content for the time being if I can get the Nexus 5 working, but it's really only usable without a case (most cases get too close to the screen and make swiping from the edge very difficult) | 23:47 |
| dwangoAC | The Nexus 4 has a bigger bezel and it's easier to find cases that you can still edge swipe with | 23:47 |
| dwangoAC | sledges: Very cool to hear on cm11 though, it's a big jump from cm10 to cm11 in a lot of ways | 23:50 |
| dwangoAC | cm10 is starting to feel downright dated :) | 23:50 |
| dwangoAC | sledges: Oh, by the way, since I last spoke with you I did another AGDQ event and we programmed Mario Maker on top of Super Mario All Stars, and going back to last year, our Pokemon Plays Twitch run is now documented in a PoC||GFTO article: https://www.alchemistowl.org/pocorgtfo/pocorgtfo10.pdf | 23:52 |
| dwangoAC | (That's a big .PDF file link, but that's becuase it's a polyglot that's a .pdf or can be renamed to .zip and unzipped or even renamed to .lsmv and replayed as a movie file in the lsnes emulator wich then replays the article I helped write) | 23:53 |
| sledges | dwangoAC: if you could blow an "in-pursuit-for-BT/bluez-developers", could make the headset profile work on n5 ;) | 23:53 |
| dwangoAC | sledges: Well, yes, I *could* go that route but if it already works on the Nexus 5 and I can get that working it's probably a path of less resistence - I mean, if no one has fixed it yet it isn't going to get fixed. :) | 23:53 |
| dwangoAC | sledges: But, yeah, the most recent AGDQ event (http://gamesdonequick.com) was the biggest TASBot block I've organized thus far and that block alone raised $94k USD for cancer prevention research, so it was a huge success | 23:54 |
| dwangoAC | And slightly horrifying, I presented in front of 196,000 live streaming viewers | 23:55 |
| sledges | dwangoAC: we had lots of things that were stalled (especially the dreaded qcom GSM modem glitches, which was a showstopper for most modern ports), but then monich and jusa_ came along and bang! we have full fledged ports on other devices now:) | 23:57 |
| dwangoAC | sledges: Awesome! | 23:57 |
| sledges | dwangoAC: so does headset work flawlessly for you on n5? | 23:57 |
| dwangoAC | sledges: I love hearing progress like that | 23:57 |
| dwangoAC | sledges: I don't know yet | 23:57 |
| dwangoAC | sledges: I need to test that | 23:57 |
| sledges | ah ok | 23:57 |
| sledges | well, be prepared for anything;) | 23:57 |
| dwangoAC | sledges: Heh - I usually am :) | 23:57 |
| sledges | n5 BT qcom layers are a PITA | 23:57 |
| dwangoAC | sledges: I'm testing OpenStack these days, it makes the stuff you make look positively polished | 23:57 |
| sledges | hence my advise for you to be a whistleblower when we'll need more BT devs around here:) | 23:58 |
| dwangoAC | sledges: Heh | 23:58 |
| tathhu | sledges o7 | 23:58 |
| sledges | well, wrong word there, but you catch my drift:)) | 23:58 |
| sledges | dwangoAC: openstack? cloud stuff? | 23:59 |
| sledges | tathhu: o7 | 23:59 |
| dwangoAC | sledges: Yes | 23:59 |
| dwangoAC | sledges: I'm currently testing 10 Gbps throughput through virtual network functions | 23:59 |
| dwangoAC | sledges: And playing with things like SR-IOV and DPDK for getting the most packets per second through as possible | 23:59 |
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