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| rinigus | morning! sun is shining, winter is over, and its time to transfer nexus4 from a small heating device into a green computer. right now, it battery consumption could easily be ~5-6%/hour on idle. as a result, keeping juice for one day becomes problematic. I'm pasting the issue here - if there is a better place, let me know. | 08:29 |
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| rinigus | I looked a bit around and found that sensors service is consuming at least 50% of the standby energy. simple test: leaving over night without network and all programs closed could consume ~30% during 6 h = 5%/h . if I switch sensors service off - 8% / 6h = 1.3%/h. cc ballock sledges | 08:29 |
| rinigus | test 2: network was on, mako idle, screen off, 5 min measurement. measured using powertop. with sensors service enabled, I get 95 wakeups/s. without sensors (systemctl stop sensors...), I get it down to 32 wakeups/s. | 08:29 |
| rinigus | test 3: same as test 2, measured using /proc/timer_stats and related to the wall clock. with sensors, 128 timers/s. without sensors: 40 timers/s. | 08:30 |
| rinigus | in summary, all tests give the same result: sensors are a good starting point. there are reports on N5 & sensors issues, I guess we have the similar problem on N4. | 08:30 |
| rinigus | ballock and sledges: is there any easy way to disable sensors one by one? | 08:30 |
| rinigus | ballock and sledges: alternative, do we actually need sensors while on idle? most are needed with screen, proximity on call. maybe we should switch them off otherwise? while testing I had the problem with restarting rotation sensor, but that was only once. | 08:30 |
| * Stskeeps idly wonders what rinigus's day job is | 08:31 | |
| ballock | Good morning! I admin the weather is nice and the moods are better :) | 08:34 |
| locusf | you control the weather? nice .. :) | 08:35 |
| ballock | locusf: Yes. When I move traffic between DCs, thousands of servers' load goes up, and so does the temperature! | 08:36 |
| locusf | heheh | 08:37 |
| mal- | rinigus: you can disable sensors from /etc/sensorfw/primaryuse.conf | 08:38 |
| ballock | rinigus: I'd need to check what the problem with N5 was, I thought it was way worse than on N4, and happened on Android as well (though less visible). | 08:39 |
| kehrnoo_ | what about /etc/xdg/QtProject/Sensors.conf? | 08:39 |
| rinigus | mal-: so, that's the place where I can comment them out one by one, right? what's comment char? ;? | 08:40 |
| kehrnoo_ | most likely # | 08:40 |
| mal- | kehrnoo_: that is the higher level configuration | 08:41 |
| rinigus | kehrnoo_: thnx. I see, I guess it would be a good idea to have /etc/xdg/QtProject/Sensors.conf and /etc/sensorfw/primaryuse.conf consistent. any other places to check? | 08:43 |
| kehrnoo_ | oh, good to know | 08:51 |
| ghosalmartin | morning | 09:11 |
| sledges | g | 09:12 |
| ghosalmartin | i wonder if it would ever be possible to force vendors to give both 32bit and 64bit binaries :P | 09:16 |
| ballock | ghosalmartin: I would be ok, even if they provided the sources without either of the binaries. | 09:28 |
| ghosalmartin | ballock: thats the dream | 09:28 |
| ballock | ghosalmartin: let's make it a plan. | 09:31 |
| ghosalmartin | ballock: somehow I don't think it will ever be possible | 09:32 |
| ghosalmartin | unless we start writing drivers now :P | 09:32 |
| ballock | Linux was a good hammer to enforce the source from the vendors to us | 09:33 |
| ballock | though it seems it's not only about the kernel | 09:33 |
| ghosalmartin | ballock: indeed, am surprised that we have bluetooth drivers in the kernel for the nexus devices tbh | 09:41 |
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| romu_ | hi porters, I'm still investigating the sensors issue on the N5. I found that the sensors framework can stop working, but the processes remain alive while not eating the CPU. I just wonder if someone may have an idea about how a way to diagnose? | 09:57 |
| sledges | romu_: is sensors framework also a process? (e.g. shows in `top` or `ps ax`?) | 10:02 |
| romu_ | yes 2, sensors.qcom and sensorfwd | 10:02 |
| sledges | so which processes stop, and which remain? | 10:03 |
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| spiiroin | rinigus: basically all the sensors (except proximity, and to limited degree als) should be turned off when display is not on; whether the sfos sensorfwd manages to make it work that way is one thing to check ... | 10:37 |
| spiiroin | rinigus: basically if display is off and a sensor does not have "standbyoverride" property set -> the sensor should be powered off | 10:39 |
| rinigus | spiiroin: good to know. now, according to my tests (powertop & /proc/timer_stats) that's not the case. unless sensors service itself is doing somethig. | 10:52 |
| rinigus | spiiroin: where could that property be set? "standbyoverride"? | 10:53 |
| spiiroin | rinigus: it is set over dbus, you can check with something like: dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.SensorService /SensorManager/orientationsensor org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties.GetAll string:local.OrientationSensor | 10:54 |
| spiiroin | rinigus: but normally that standbyOverride is set only by mce process (for als, ps, orientation) | 10:55 |
| spiiroin | rinigus: in practice only ps should have it on when display is off | 10:56 |
| spiiroin | rinigus: for als/orientation it is set when mce is about to turn on display -> to allow sensor power up happen parallel with display power up | 10:56 |
| rinigus | spiiroin: I'll check it out a bit later. Do you have one more magic command which could help me to check whether sensors are actually running or not when the screen is off? | 10:58 |
| spiiroin | rinigus: the ones that generate evdev events (als & ps usually) -> you can use "evdev_trace" | 10:59 |
| spiiroin | rinigus: also, if you do "mcetool --set-als-mode=disabled --set-ps-mode=disabled --set-orientation-sensor-mode=disabled" -> mce does not use sensors -> no sensor should have the standByOverride set | 11:00 |
| romu_ | sledges: sorry, lunch time. It depends. 1. the 2 processes stay alive but eat too much CPU, that's the most often case | 11:04 |
| romu_ | 2. The sensors.qcom process stays alive with a normal CPU consumption, but the sensorfwd is kiiled | 11:05 |
| romu_ | 3. Both processes stay alive with a normal CPU consumption but sensors don't work | 11:06 |
| romu_ | Of course, case 3 is the most difficult to detect with a script | 11:06 |
| romu_ | But case 3 is also the most rare case | 11:07 |
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| rinigus | spiiroin: excellent! I'll test it then tonight. first, whether anything else has "standbyoverride". second, whether I can find sensor(s) leading to these wakeups. | 11:28 |
| sledges | romu_: how is sensorfwd killed? by user? | 11:31 |
| romu_ | sledges: don't know, each time I see the sensors don't work, I'm logging in with SSH and see what happens with the processes and sometimes, the sensorfwd process is not listed. | 11:34 |
| romu_ | But not killed by me intentionnally for sure | 11:34 |
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| romu_ | I've seen that when the sensorfwd has been killed, restarting directly the sensorfwd service doesn't work. I've to kill the sensors.qcom process first, and then, I can restart the sensorfwd service. | 11:43 |
| nh1402_work | sledges: I've just realised something, when was that flip phone over to silence the phone when someone calls implemented?, could that have caused the sensor bug? | 11:53 |
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| sledges | spiiroin: nh1402_work has good point ^ | 11:54 |
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| Kaligule | Hi there. I would like to install sailfishos on my fairphone, and I already found some instructions. But it is not easy for me to see what the newest compatible version of SFos would be. Where should I look? Is the merprojectwiki the way to go? | 17:26 |
| nh1402 | Kaligule: Fairphone 1 or 2? | 17:26 |
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| Kaligule | nh1402: Fairphone 2 | 17:31 |
| nh1402 | I do believe the merproject wiki is the way to go. | 17:33 |
| nh1402 | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris/Install_SailfishOS_for_fp2 | 17:33 |
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| mal- | Kaligule: that link contains the instructions for the installation of the most recent sailfish image | 17:35 |
| Kaligule | Thanks, thats what I'm gonna try :) | 17:36 |
| nh1402 | dirkvl: http://www.xda-developers.com/lg-invites-registrations-for-play-with-friends-developer-event/ | 17:37 |
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| piggz | yo | 18:00 |
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| rinigus | spiiroin: dbus command did not produce any sensors with standbyoverride. there was one, but it was set to false | 19:36 |
| rinigus | spiiroin, ballock and sledges: and the winner is .... proximity sensor! | 19:36 |
| rinigus | spiiroin, ballock, sledges: when I used mcetool to keep only one of the three sensorss active, then configuration --set-als-mode=disabled --set-ps-mode=enabled --set-orientation-sensor-mode=disabled produced ~60 wakeups/s more than when ps-mode was disabled | 19:38 |
| rinigus | ... it was a bit tricky since sometimes even that config let to low wakeups, but after some stats I am pretty confident that proximity sensor is making most of the wakeups. | 19:40 |
| rinigus | ballock, sledges: you enabled proximity in the new cm11-based ballock port. how can I make proximity enabled only during calls? | 19:41 |
| rinigus | ... and I'm off. | 19:41 |
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| Nokius | fixing things before showing is not a good idea | 21:38 |
| Nokius | dunno why scorpion is boot looping when not attached to usb cable | 21:41 |
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