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| Winstem | hello everyone | 06:54 |
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| Winstem | Hi ghosalmartin | 06:54 |
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| faenil | piggz: Nokius_ thanks for the info re the job ad, I received the same email fwiw :) | 10:42 |
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| locusf | !seen tortoisedoc | 10:43 |
| merbot | locusf: tortoisedoc was last seen in #sailfishos-porters 3 days, 15 hours, 23 minutes, and 56 seconds ago: <tortoisedoc> :) | 10:43 |
| faenil | I've been working at Samsung's R&D Institute UK for a couple of months already, thanks anyway :) | 10:43 |
| locusf | now you and rzr can both bring boxing glowes and have 2 on 1 against jerpelea :) | 10:45 |
| piggz | faenil: cool :) | 10:48 |
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| Zolo | !seen litew | 10:48 |
| merbot | Zolo: litew was last seen in #sailfishos-porters 6 weeks, 0 days, 1 hour, 4 minutes, and 28 seconds ago: <litew> i guess it was too big :D | 10:48 |
| piggz | Mister_Magister: unlock done, wasnt too difficult | 10:48 |
| Zolo | !seen mal | 10:48 |
| merbot | Zolo: mal was last seen in #sailfishos-porters 12 hours, 43 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <mal> not now | 10:48 |
| Mister_Magister | piggz: but it's taking some time :D | 10:49 |
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| Zolo | devel-su ./power-diagnostics.sh > /home/nemo/power-state-report.txt | 10:49 |
| piggz | Mister_Magister_: well, to be fair, its less than 24hrs, and i havnt even started yet! | 10:49 |
| Mister_Magister | so since you have redmi note 4 there is only moto x force and honor 5x on my device list | 10:50 |
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| Winstem | Piggz? | 10:51 |
| piggz | hi | 10:51 |
| Winstem | Yesterday I asked about battery issue | 10:52 |
| Winstem | Nokius said it could be charging indicator showing wrong battery percentage | 10:52 |
| Winstem | It shows 50% every couple seconds on my phone on sailfish 2.0.5 | 10:53 |
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| Winstem | Please can you help me to fix it | 10:54 |
| Winstem | What should I do? | 10:54 |
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| piggz | guys .. any idea what thsi early boot problem could be .... device boots into fastboot, not the new /boot ... using fastboot to boot hybris-boot doest get far either | 12:46 |
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| piggz | now, the phone status is 'encrypted' in lineage .... do i have to turn that off somehow? | 12:47 |
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| nh1402 | piggz: is this an android thing? | 13:07 |
| nh1402 | if so, Settings -> Security -> Encryption | 13:08 |
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| piggz | would be be expected that the hubris-boot.img is ~9mb, and the lineage boot.img is 21mb? | 13:46 |
| piggz | nh1402: i dont seem able to turn it off | 13:47 |
| piggz | but, that might not be the issue anyway | 13:47 |
| piggz | may have to wipe/format to turn off encyryption | 13:49 |
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| _jester_ | has anyone tried meddling with the hw buttons on certain phones? my mi 4 has em but they are not mapped to anything on the os | 15:14 |
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| guhl | _jester_, did you check if they are evdev devices? | 15:18 |
| _jester_ | nopes, but thanks for the pointer. now i have a search term for google and the docs. much appreciated guhl ! | 15:20 |
| guhl | install mce-tools using zypper | 15:22 |
| mal | _jester_: amd use evdev_trace in that package | 15:22 |
| _jester_ | mal: i was hoping i would catch you online. i also have a nexus 5. id get to that in a bit | 15:24 |
| suicidal_orange | hi everyone, I'm a complete newbie hoping to get Sailfish fully working on the Xperia Z3 Compact - is there a special place for newbie questions or can I just put them here? | 15:24 |
| guhl | just ask | 15:25 |
| suicidal_orange | great | 15:26 |
| _jester_ | oh and a week ago, i was you | 15:26 |
| guhl | and see https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris | 15:26 |
| piggz | _jester_: as, u have a xiaomi? any clues as to why my redmi note 4 might boot into fastboot mode? | 15:26 |
| guhl | for the port status | 15:26 |
| suicidal_orange | I see someone started but it was a long time ago and they didn't get far - is it worth trying to continue or should I start from scratch? | 15:27 |
| suicidal_orange | the HADK says Cyanogen 12.1, not sure if the Z3C was an official release on CM13 or if it even matters as long as it ran? | 15:28 |
| _jester_ | i think saidinesh5 is a better person for that question. im just enjoying the fruits of his labor and trying to get myself educated enough to answer that question. piggz | 15:29 |
| guhl | suicidal_orange, my experience is that if you have a stable 12.1 that is a good basis | 15:29 |
| guhl | in general i start from scratch (the learning curve is steeper but the understanding better) | 15:30 |
| guhl | and have a look at the repos of the existing project while doing so | 15:30 |
| guhl | https://github.com/xperiasailors/ | 15:30 |
| piggz | saidinesh5: ^^ | 15:31 |
| guhl | unfortunately i would have to buy a new phone for my wife if i help you porting the z3c | 15:31 |
| suicidal_orange | I literally have no idea what I'm looking at in the git, didn't get to the first command in the HADK before having questions! | 15:32 |
| _jester_ | suicidal_orange : hadk is a tad outdated and also a bit of the documentation. xperia has a huge community though and the most ports. like guhl mentioned. im trying to do the same for the nexus 5, even though a port exists for it just so i get a better understanding | 15:32 |
| _jester_ | my recommendation so far would be to read the hadk, get the environment (sdk) up and running and get in touch with the original porter too to see why he left it mid way | 15:33 |
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| _jester_ | perhaps its a hw issue that couldnt be tackled at the time, or he got bored. either way, its critical information | 15:34 |
| _jester_ | wait, isnt jolla porting to an xperia z too? | 15:35 |
| _jester_ | there must be information on it in the last logs of the mer meeting, let me find those for you | 15:36 |
| suicidal_orange | Thanks, I'm trying to understand everything but know literally nothing about phone OSes - would reading up on Android (or anything else) help? | 15:37 |
| suicidal_orange | yeah, Sony are supposedly releasing Q2 so basically anyday, having said not a word since the good advertising in Feb... | 15:37 |
| guhl | well suicidal_orange you should be familiar with android recovery and rom flashing | 15:38 |
| guhl | and also with the tools adb and fastboot | 15:39 |
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| guhl | later in the porting process it will be an advantage to know how the android logcat works | 15:40 |
| _jester_ | suicidal_orange: it was discussed in the last meeting, #mer-meeting | 15:41 |
| _jester_ | let me atleast tell you what i understand so far and id get corrected in this channel if im wrong so it benefits both of us | 15:41 |
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| _jester_ | mer is the core for mobile based linux os, it has a library called hybris which provides an interface to the android drivers for linux to use | 15:42 |
| _jester_ | since no native phones for linux are being made, the idea is to port it to existing android devices | 15:43 |
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| _jester_ | this is where hybris comes in, and therefore the ports page is on mer wiki / hybris and not on sailfishos.org | 15:44 |
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| _jester_ | so mer requires an 'open' base system with everything working so mer and hybris can extend it and run on top. however mer on its own doesnt provide a fully develiped end user system so sailfish does that | 15:46 |
| _jester_ | now a sailfish os, often abbreviated as sfos running on any phone has 3 essential components. | 15:48 |
| _jester_ | a good stable and working base, (cm does that) a mer system and a sailfish user experience/ gui components | 15:49 |
| _jester_ | im trying to port with lineageos 14.1, elementalx kernel and multirom. just so i can get a headache | 15:50 |
| _jester_ | for now, just get a good base cm-12.1 | 15:51 |
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| _jester_ | make sure its stable, get the gapps bundle with it as well. | 15:52 |
| suicidal_orange | so is mer just a hardware abstraction layer and all the software is in sailfish or is sailfish more like X on desktop linux and booting is handled by mer? | 15:52 |
| _jester_ | stable = everything works i.e. hardware and the drivers | 15:52 |
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| _jester_ | no mer is actually a complete os, it assumes such a rile because there is no hardware made for linux drivers | 15:54 |
| _jester_ | role* | 15:54 |
| _jester_ | so the same kernel and drivers gets used from the stable base i.e. cm-12.1 | 15:55 |
| _jester_ | the base system, including the x server is provided by mer, alongwith telepathy backends for IM etc | 15:55 |
| suicidal_orange | right, that makes sense | 15:56 |
| _jester_ | sailfish is like a desktop environment like kde | 15:56 |
| _jester_ | if you know about the harmattan desktop. this is comparable to that | 15:56 |
| suicidal_orange | that's a lot of branding for not a lot of work! | 15:57 |
| _jester_ | but in addition, it provides a lot more things too | 15:57 |
| _jester_ | dont be so quick to judge, jolla contributes to mer too | 15:57 |
| suicidal_orange | not judging, just trying to understand | 15:58 |
| _jester_ | plus alien dalvik is quite a feat in my opinion. which im sure youd read about as you go along | 15:58 |
| _jester_ | but what sfos does provide is a unified interface and gui toolkit for mobile screens called silica | 15:59 |
| _jester_ | which is getting open sourced gradually, so youve come at an opportune time | 15:59 |
| _jester_ | i actually have firefox os installed as well, sailfish is leaps and bounds ahead in my opinion from other mobile gui environments | 16:01 |
| _jester_ | now heres whats missing or tough to get working | 16:02 |
| _jester_ | there are no multi user chat option | 16:02 |
| suicidal_orange | sailfish is great - I had a Jolla phone (walked it into a post) then an Aqua Fish (screen's snapped in half) | 16:02 |
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| _jester_ | voice and video chat dont work on ports, atleast not on my mi 4 | 16:03 |
| _jester_ | ah | 16:03 |
| suicidal_orange | one week trying to use lineage with it's non fullscreen browser and crazy task switching is enough | 16:04 |
| _jester_ | android apps dont work on all ports. there is support on the nexus 5 port but as i understand. its basic | 16:04 |
| suicidal_orange | not a problem, I'm not sociable or a gamer | 16:04 |
| suicidal_orange | just need a nice, small phone with a web browser and a camera - hence picking up an old Z3C | 16:05 |
| _jester_ | it does have a lovely game called numpty physics which i enjoy very much | 16:05 |
| suicidal_orange | android? | 16:06 |
| _jester_ | ah, well i hope someone updates the browser soon | 16:06 |
| _jester_ | nopes, on sfos | 16:06 |
| suicidal_orange | hmm... haven't seen that one - may as well install it now | 16:06 |
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| _jester_ | pay a visit to openrepos.org and check out the apps for sfos there | 16:06 |
| _jester_ | im still exploring but some of them are very nicely done.. a lot of them are missing features and some of them just seem to be hacked together | 16:07 |
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| suicidal_orange | it's in warehouse, even easier | 16:08 |
| _jester_ | for socializing, theres an excellent irc app, that im using at the moment | 16:08 |
| _jester_ | yup | 16:08 |
| _jester_ | for me on my mi 4, camera works like a freakin charm, the web browser is outdated for some sites like trello | 16:10 |
| suicidal_orange | unsure if I don't get it or screen is playing up | 16:10 |
| _jester_ | but theres webcat, which seems promising | 16:10 |
| suicidal_orange | I was using web pirate with the swipey bottom bar but copy/paste works better on the standard browser so went back to that | 16:12 |
| suicidal_orange | liking the game, will pass the time waiting for compiling - thanks! | 16:15 |
| _jester_ | you must be on 2.0 | 16:17 |
| _jester_ | no wait, copying was introduced on 2.1 | 16:17 |
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| _jester_ | try the droplet browser by dinesh. i actually loved the concept. | 16:18 |
| _jester_ | its like the chat heads you get on fb messenger everytime someone messages you | 16:18 |
| _jester_ | but droplets is a browset, so single click, opens it up in a driplet/ chat head like round icon. double click opens it in the system browser | 16:19 |
| _jester_ | and essentially its the same browser as the core one, so thats awesome | 16:20 |
| _jester_ | and youre most welcome, im just pating my debt forward | 16:20 |
| suicidal_orange | haha, fb... did I not say I'm not sociable? Droplet browser wants lipstick, this is getting weird | 16:21 |
| suicidal_orange | great to be using sfos again if only temporarily - it just makes sense | 16:23 |
| _jester_ | lipstick is the lil library that allows you to draw widgets on top of screens and apps | 16:24 |
| _jester_ | atleast as a framework, it has a lot of potential | 16:25 |
| _jester_ | the current examples and implementations might be a bit lacking. theres tux chakra and droplet browser that i know of and tux chakra does nothing productive | 16:26 |
| _jester_ | the ux is really sweet, plus now i hate android with a vengeance | 16:27 |
| _jester_ | so its either the n9(00) or port and contribute | 16:27 |
| suicidal_orange | haha! | 16:28 |
| suicidal_orange | I had a nokia 808 for a long time, then went to the Jolla | 16:28 |
| suicidal_orange | don't like the idea of carrying a google tracker and having used android for a week glad I didn't buy a proper phone with it | 16:29 |
| ghosalmartin | anyone know a good way to debug dhi? | 16:30 |
| _jester_ | ok, im an infosec guy primarily and i think if jolla and mer being where they are can stop and focus on doing it right, being security aware and having a massively better multitaskinh system. google is either being funny or are just a bunch of idiots | 16:30 |
| piggz | oh, thats interesting, boot.img is 21mb, hybris-boot.img is 9 ... does hybris remove stuff? | 16:31 |
| piggz | i'll have to see if the boot.img made from my buid boots | 16:32 |
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| ghosalmartin | piggz, i thought hybris-boot just wrapped around boot.img? | 16:40 |
| piggz | ghosalmartin: as did i, which is why im surporised about the size | 16:40 |
| bshah | no hybris-boot.img essenitally just contains busybox | 16:40 |
| bshah | and kernel and simple shell script | 16:40 |
| bshah | while original boot.img contains whole init script | 16:41 |
| suicidal_orange | is the curlfix stuff important? It wants to uninstall my x64 version of curl along with YAST (opensuse) which I'm not going to do! | 16:41 |
| bshah | s/script/android init binary/ | 16:41 |
| ghosalmartin | am guessing boot.img also has the ramdisk? | 16:41 |
| piggz | ok | 16:41 |
| bshah | ghosalmartin: well yes, both hybris-boot.img and boot.img contains ramdisk | 16:41 |
| bshah | but ramdisk in hybris-boot.img is too low | 16:42 |
| piggz | so, a good test will be if the boot.img loads | 16:42 |
| bshah | s/low/small | 16:42 |
| ghosalmartin | bshah, you made anymore progress on bullhead? :P | 16:42 |
| bshah | no.. well currently busy with halium :P | 16:42 |
| ghosalmartin | bshah how goes that | 16:43 |
| bshah | ghosalmartin: its going well.. :D | 16:46 |
| ghosalmartin | thats good :P | 16:46 |
| ghosalmartin | anyone know what process goes after droid-init-done? | 16:46 |
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| wiktorek140 | its normal that in final zip mountpoints for data and boot part are changed from default from fstab to "dev/mmc..."? | 16:58 |
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| piggz | the lineage boot.img is 21.1 and works, the boot.img from my build is 21.0 and doesnt, neither does the hybris-boot.img .... something to look into, need to go out for a bit though | 17:07 |
| bshah | piggz: honestly it have nothing to do with size.. can you maybe get last_kmsg or something? | 17:08 |
| ghosalmartin | piggz, does it reboot? | 17:09 |
| ghosalmartin | piggz, if so id check for this | 17:10 |
| ghosalmartin | https://github.com/ghosalmartin/android_kernel_huawei_eva/commit/8406e9900d74bd39ff62c34bd93fc28caa031ebf | 17:10 |
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| mal | wiktorek140: what do you mean? | 17:18 |
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| wiktorek140 | when i get packed zip in updater-script i have "/dev/mmc.." rather than "/dev/block/platform/..." | 17:20 |
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| _jester_ | just a quick question for some of the pros here. can an android kernel load modules on the fly? insmod, modprobe ? | 17:27 |
| _jester_ | or does it have to be monolithic? | 17:28 |
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| kimmoli | most of the ports load at least wifi as module. so yes it can load modules. | 17:29 |
| _jester_ | kimmoli: sweet, thanks for the reply | 17:31 |
| mal | wiktorek140: that's what the fixup-mountpoints does | 17:41 |
| mal | _jester_: except that some rare android device have module support disabled in kernel so check that it's enabled and enable if it's disabled | 17:42 |
| _jester_ | mal: are there cases where it cannot be enabled? i suppose its a security measure for them | 17:44 |
| mal | haven't heard of any such case, I doubt they would have completely removed it | 17:46 |
| wiktorek140 | mal: its troublesome because i cannot flash kernel via default zip | 17:49 |
| _jester_ | mal: thanks | 17:49 |
| locusf | just memset to kernelspace | 17:49 |
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| mal | wiktorek140: why not? what is the problem? some error? | 17:51 |
| wiktorek140 | yea i my recovery in /dev devices like mmc doesnt exist ;p | 17:52 |
| mal | that's odd | 17:52 |
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| mal | then you might need to edit some of the build scripts in probably hybris-boot | 17:53 |
| wiktorek140 | easier is modify it by hand | 17:55 |
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| Nokius_ | piggz: still having the issue? | 17:58 |
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| ghosalmartin | anyone see any obvious issues with this dhi dmesg | 18:24 |
| ghosalmartin | https://dpaste.de/Q9XO | 18:24 |
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| Nokius | I have issue but not visible in dmsg iirc sorry ghosalmartin | 18:58 |
| ghosalmartin | Nokius, logcaT? | 18:58 |
| Nokius | ghosalmartin: I should clean my r7plus build before giving comments maybe it's just me doing something wrong | 19:02 |
| Nokius | but atm I to busy sorry | 19:02 |
| ghosalmartin | Nokius, fair enough :) | 19:02 |
| wiktorek140 | sledges: can i apply to enable store for surnia? on github is nearly everything for build :) | 19:27 |
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| piggz | Nokius: been out ... need to back out to pick up curry .... gonna try reverting kernel changes and see if it boots lineage ... that gives me something to work from | 19:53 |
| piggz | ghosalmartin: thx for the tips | 19:56 |
| piggz | bshah: thx ... i'll start looking at kernel config | 19:56 |
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| wiktorek140 | how to disable "adaptation-community-common" repo after adding "%define community_adaptation 1" into config? | 20:25 |
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| mal | wiktorek140: why would you want to disable it? | 20:35 |
| wiktorek140 | mal: because i dont have repo on obs | 20:36 |
| mal | wiktorek140: adaptation-community-common is always on obs, that is for all devices | 20:38 |
| mal | https://build.merproject.org/project/show/nemo:devel:hw:common | 20:38 |
| wiktorek140 | mal: yea but i have this problem "Error <creator>: Unable to find pattern: Jolla Configuration surnia | 20:39 |
| wiktorek140 | " | 20:39 |
| mal | wiktorek140: that is probably because you are missing the local repo, which is in $ANDROID_ROOT/droid-local-repo/$DEVICE, from .ks | 20:41 |
| wiktorek140 | yea, it work when i add it | 20:41 |
| wiktorek140 | mal: is possible to add it automate? | 20:44 |
| mal | well you don't need to regenerate .ks so manualy adding it once is enough | 20:45 |
| mal | but that is a known issue, it needs to be solved somehow | 20:45 |
| mal | assuming you place it in $ANDROID_ROOT instead of $ANDROID_ROOT/tmp as in old hadk | 20:48 |
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| elros | TheKit: ping | 20:55 |
| TheKit | pong | 20:56 |
| wiktorek140 | mal: i place ks files in $ANDROID_ROOT/tmp | 20:56 |
| TheKit | *elros, | 20:57 |
| elros | TheKit: I saw https://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1528830&postcount=86. From logs looks like u dont have O_DIRECT support in kernel | 20:57 |
| elros | Maybe thats why u have problem with battery | 20:58 |
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| elros | https://github.com/elros34/android_kernel_motorola_msm8960-common/commit/06c448fb822542685a63ef7d7f6ea6423abd0d9c | 20:58 |
| TheKit | elros, will look into it, thank you | 20:59 |
| TheKit | wrong value is reported by sysfs too though | 20:59 |
| TheKit | (by cat /sys/class/power_supply/battery/capacity, for example) | 21:00 |
| elros | I remember kimmoli have problem with battery level | 21:01 |
| elros | had* | 21:01 |
| mal | wiktorek140: move it to $ANDROID_ROOT so it won't get removed all the time | 21:07 |
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| mal | wiktorek140: just remember to edit the path in mic build command | 21:07 |
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| wiktorek140 | mal: in sed should i change patch or not? | 21:08 |
| mal | wiktorek140: no need to run it anymore since .ks will not be removed | 21:09 |
| mal | wiktorek140: look here https://sailfishos.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/SailfishOS-HardwareAdaptationDevelopmentKit-1.9.9.pdf | 21:09 |
| mal | wiktorek140: so you only need to make the .ks file once and then you can reuse it | 21:10 |
| wiktorek140 | mal: i should ask myself why i use the old one :) | 21:10 |
| mal | wiktorek140: that new one is not official yet | 21:11 |
| wiktorek140 | but is good to know it exist :) | 21:13 |
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| _jester_ | any ideas on the zenfone 5? its made with the intel atom so its x86, which means linux "should" be a breeze, no ? | 23:48 |
| _jester_ | meh, it didnt make any waves anywhere | 23:51 |
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