Friday, 2017-07-28

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merplgreetings nice humans00:09
merplanyone here running sailfish on the Droid xt894?00:11
merplTheKit: ?00:13
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merpli do not find my old cyanogenmod 11 download00:19
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merplbut there is a torrent with many builds00:25
merplah found one00:32
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Mister_Magistermorning o/07:35
Malakayhi guys anyone here? :)07:35
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Malakayi need a help :)07:36
Mister_MagisterMalakay: just ask07:37
Malakayok, i have nexus 4 with sailfish and I cant make gps work07:38
Malakayall of android navigation apps like sygic, navfree or osmand are just searching signal and never will, even after half an hour waiting07:39
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Malakayi really need to solve this07:39
Mister_Magisteryou said it's sailfish07:40
cesdoHey guys, how to start development for Sailfish?07:40
Mister_Magistercesdo: you mean app development?07:40
cesdoof course07:40
Mister_Magisterno prob07:41
Malakayit is sailfish, but i dont know if there is some kind of car navigation for sfos, so i tried to use android apps via sfdroid07:41
Mister_MagisterMalakay: osm server + poor maps but it's poor navigation. Probably sfdroid doesn't support gps iirc07:42
Malakayi was thinking that that sfdroid maybe could be a problem07:43
Malakaybut i travel a lot so i need some kind of navigation.what should i do?07:43
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r0kk3rzMalakay: yeah i dont think theres integration with gps and sfdroid07:44
Mister_MagisterMalakay: the best option on sailfish is osm server + poor maps07:45
Malakayi suppose that this solution wont tell me what roads are paid and non-paid?07:46
Mister_Magisterprobably no :/07:46
Malakaypity pity :( and what if i replac sfdroid with aliendalvik?07:47
Mister_Magistergps is working in aliendalvik but dunno how it's working on nexus 4 u can try07:47
nh1402r0kk3rz: you're right, there isn't07:48
Malakaythe thing is i have dualboot with droid 5, but i want to remove that dammit android, so i need some kind of navi :(07:49
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Malakayand one more thing, is any way to get mtp usb file transfer working?07:51
r0kk3rzMalakay: yeah.. unfortunately navigation is tough, open street map is the best open thing on offer07:51
r0kk3rzeverything else is tightly guarded by their owners07:51
Mister_Magisterr0kk3rz: maps are good (osm) but the navigation....07:52
r0kk3rznavigation algos are also really hard :)07:52
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Malakayafter fresh install of sailfish there was some app called Maps, but suddenly disappeared, what does it mean?07:52
r0kk3rzwhich is why people like google cheat, and just track everyone07:53
r0kk3rzand choose their routes07:53
Mister_Magisterr0kk3rz: i mean look at poor maps, it's good but don't even recalculate your route when you change it07:54
Malakaythats a little problem because all those traffic jams and road repairs :(07:55
r0kk3rzMalakay: yes unfortunately to get something like google maps or HERE you need a dedicated development team07:58
r0kk3rznot one person doing it as a hobby07:58
r0kk3rzmodrana is probably the best one we have atm07:58
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Malakaythat modrana is suitable for car navi?08:01
riniguslet me jump in into this navigation issue08:01
riniguspoor maps will be supporting rerouting probably next week. PR is submitted and Osmo does not have time to review it earlier. for me, it works decently08:02
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rinigusas for algorithms, OSM Scout Server has valhalla as a routing engine which has Mapzen team working behind the scenes. I think we are actually getting close to state-of-the-art in terms of algorithms and you should give it a try08:04
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rinigusI would suggest this day to use Poor Maps and, if you need offline, OSM Scout Server with its default profile. Main drawbacks are larger storage requirements (should work with SD card though) and lack of voice (that I am planning to look into next)08:05
rinigusmodRana is a bit behind in terms of navigation, by I presume that Martin will work on it soon.08:06
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rinigusAs for payed / non-payed - where do you travel, France? I am not sure Valhalla (routing engine) reports it, but you could check.08:07
m4h0n3ymorning all08:08
* merpl greets08:08
rinigusif you want to install offline mode (OSM Scout Server), please grab it from openrepos - jolla store is on strike/vacation and does not seem to update packages. OSM Scout Server has user manual to help you out, if needed08:08
m4h0n3ydoes someone have expirience with shimlibs in cm? looks like it is the only way to work with old camera-sensors-codecs blobs08:09
Malakayi need czech maps :)08:09
m4h0n3yMalakay seznam.cz08:09
m4h0n3yi can see all appropriate code in my bionic/, but by some reason linker doesn't accept L_SHIM_LIBS08:10
rinigus@Malakay, any map should be available in OSM Scout Server, sans Antarctica, if you need offline.08:10
m4h0n3y*LD_SHIM_LIBS variable is simply ignored08:11
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Malakayyeah, i need offline :)08:11
m4h0n3yMalakay czech is so small, you can buy good paper map in any local store :)08:12
Malakay_but paper map will be useless in big cities ;)08:13
Malakay_so all of you recommend OSM serve + separate maps08:14
m4h0n3yMalakay depends on what is big city for you and what are going to do with it... are now in czech? :)08:14
Mister_Magisterpoor maps + osm server is really best imo08:15
m4h0n3yi found that linker will ignore any env variable which is not pass getauxval(AT_SECURE).... so may it be, that linker ignores LD_SHIM_LIBS because of missing selinux?08:15
Mister_Magisterrinigus: i can give you link to pretty good TTS08:16
m4h0n3yMalakay i wish you a good travel :) hope you will enjoy local nature and beer :)08:16
rinigusMister_Magister: please do so. I'll have to run, but I'll check the logs later.08:17
Malakay_I enjoy it everyday, I live here ;)08:17
rinigusMalakay_: if you get in trouble with installing OSM Scout Server, see for instructions. That would help you to setup Poor Maps or modRana to interact with it ass well.08:18
Malakay_so if I understand, I have to install osm+poormaps, or modrana+osm?08:18
rinigusMalakay_: yes and, at this moment, I suggest to go for poor maps + osm scout server (openrepos)08:19
rinigusMalakay_: if you want rerouting now, see poor maps github repo and its PRs08:20
Mister_Magisterrinigus: it has pretty good tts especially stl and it's opensource and compiles on sailfish (don't use my fork though it's outdated and changed)08:20
rinigusMister_Magister, thanks! I'll look into it. have to go now08:20
Malakay_i have one solution, but I dont really like it - I have dualboot Sailfish+Droid5 and when I need gps, I just reboot to droid. But im planning to remove droid, so at the moment I can wait until it will be completely usable on sfos :)08:21
Mister_MagisterMalakay_: but check osm+poor maps for real it's good08:22
Mister_Magisteruntil u get off the track...08:23
Malakay_i often get off the track :D08:23
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Mister_Magisterstill check it out maybe u'll like it08:24
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Malakayok, ill see :)08:39
Malakayand one more thing, is any way to get to work mtp tranfer via cable?08:39
pseudodevwhich device?08:39
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Malakay_nexus 4 :)08:48
NokiusHappy Sysadmin Day tbr08:58
pseudodevSomething like that exists?08:58
merplthe internet says so08:59
Malakay_noone has an advice?09:00
r0kk3rzMalakay_: nobody likes mtp :)09:00
Nokiuspseudodev: I just got donuts because of it :D09:01
Malakay_its a fact that it doesnt bother me much, but i dont like thinking that something is not fully working :D that gps bothers me much more :D09:03
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ghosalmartinMorning :)09:05
ghosalmartinMalakay_, there was an issue for the Nexus 5 where MTP didnt work. mautz made a kernel patch that fixed it, so maybe ask him what he did?09:06
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Mister_Magistermtp is slow and shit sftp masterrace09:08
Mister_Magisterbtw whole twitter talks about sysadminday :D09:09
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Malakayguys so I installed osm server and I need to get maps09:53
Malakaywhere to get those maps and where tu put them? :)09:53
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rinigusMalakay: why not poor maps? as for getting the maps, follow the instructions on users guide of osm scout server (link posted before). please note that jolla store version of osm scout server is outdated and incompatible with the currently distributed maps.10:01
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rinigusMister_Magister: if you plan to go off the track and want a new one re-calculated, that's what my PR is doing for poor maps. either use that or wait till it gets incorporated and released properly.10:03
rinigusMister_Magister: I wonder how well does mimic compares to espeak and flite? We should be using something that would support as many languages as possible. Do you know how they compare in this aspect?10:05
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Mister_Magisterrinigus: i think espeak is much worse quality. Mimic is Flite based so there is no point in checking difference between them but mimic has better voices inside however dunno how to add new one and u probably should use flite since you can add voices there easier10:11
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rinigusMister_Magister: looks like mimic can import flite voices. However, I cannot find international voices for flite, but maybe I am missing it.10:19
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tbrNokius: hehe, thanks10:27
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Malakayok, ill try poor maps10:50
Malakayand that PR is what and where I can get it?10:51
mal but then you need to build it manually10:52
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Malakaybuild it manually?11:10
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malMalakay: getting the source code and building it11:16
Malakayoh, this I cant do.ok11:17
Malakayit looks like I have to leave my phone with dualboot with android11:18
Malakayor try aliendalvik instead sfdroid11:18
malMalakay: just a moment, I'll build that11:19
Malakaythanks mal, it will be really helpful :)11:20
malMalakay: do you know how to install a rpm manually?11:23
Malakayyes :) i kinda know terminal - pkcon install xxxx.rpm ?11:24
Malakayor zypper?11:25
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malor rpm -i11:28
maltry what works11:28
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Malakayok :)11:29
Malakayand this file is complete poor maps with implemented rerouting from you? :)11:30
Malakayor it is just some patch?11:30
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malMalakay: I just built the code made by others, I haven't done anything to that myself, it's the complete poor-maps app11:32
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Mister_Magisterrinigus: what international voices do you mean? i gave found german for example11:32
Malakaymal: ok, so i can install just this one and thats all :) osm i have installed, later I will download maps and it will be complete ? :)11:34
malMalakay: I think so, I haven't used routing myself so others can tell more about that11:35
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rinigusMister_Magister: so you could get navigation instructions in the native languages. Looks like I missed it. Where did you find German voice?11:41
Malakaymal: ok, thanks for the help :)11:43
Malakayand is here someone who tried aliendalvik on nexus 4 sfos based on cm11 ?is it working?11:43
rinigusMalakay: you would have to configure Poor Maps to access the server (it has multiple backends). See user manual "Setting up the client/Poor Maps"11:43
Mister_Magisterrinigus: google11:44
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Mister_Magisterrinigus: flite voices will apply for mimic i think and mimic is quite easy to compile and use (it will be easier than using flite i think)11:46
Mister_Magisterthere is even indic whoa11:47
Mister_Magisterfound spanish too11:48
rinigusMister_Magister: thanks! I'll look into these voice commands a bit later, but now I have few pointers to start from. There are few things I need to finish/polish first :)11:49
malcouldn't find finnish11:49
malbut wiki says that should exist11:49
Mister_Magisterrinigus: sure if you want to add mimic i can even write code for you11:50
Mister_Magisterrinigus: oh my tons of multilanguage
Mister_Magisterdunno about theirs quality11:51
rinigusmal: at first, Valhalla would have to get Finnish support. Its not too difficult (I think Swedish was added by one of our translators), but it has to be done first, before speach11:52
Mister_Magisterrinigus: sure i'm just telling you11:52
rinigusMister_Magister: let's see, but would be great to get help. Coding is probably not too difficult, just have to learn Poor Maps or modRana internals first11:52
Mister_Magisterrinigus: just provide me place when i can put mimic code. i integrated mimic in my ai so i know how to use it ;)11:53
Mister_Magisterthat's what i mean11:53
rinigusMister_Magister: thanks, great to know. Can you call it from python or QML?11:54
Mister_Magisterit's c++ so if you can expose it to qml with ease11:55
malrinigus: ok, need to check that11:55
rinigusMister_Magister: Poor Maps and modRana are in python and I don't know whether we can mix it with C++/QML in that case.11:56
Mister_Magisterthat would be hard i think but! you can use mimic as standalone program and just call it like console command11:57
malrinigus: what actually does that valhalla do?11:58
malrinigus: ok, found some information12:00
rinigusmal: calculates the route between start and end point (car, bike, foot) and tells the instructions (turn left, ...)12:01
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malrinigus: looks like even osmscout-server is missing Finnish language12:01
rinigusmal: quite impressive engine, fast, allows to chop the planet into pieces and then bring it together on device12:01
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Mister_Magisterrinigus: check this out (voice test)
rinigusmal: true, haven't received any volunteers to translate into it12:02
malrinigus: I'll see if I can do that, I'll probably need to ask some review help from others because I might not always make the most fluent test12:03
rinigusmal: I added Finnish in transifex, just would need it to attach to you somehow12:06
malrinigus: need to figure out what transifex is :)12:07
Mister_Magisterpage to help translate apps?12:07
Mister_Magisterrinigus: have you listn to that link above? Need to know hat you think (since i'm not a native speaker)12:07
kamnxtHas the SDK been changed to start using a mersdk user?12:09
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kamnxtsince sdk-manage target installation seems to fail at trying to switch to that user12:09
rinigusMister_Magister: yes, its the translation service. As for the link with "Turn right, ...", sounded fine, in English. not native for me either, but seemed to be fine.12:09
Mister_Magisteryeah love this voice it's best english tts/voice combination i've found when i was searching for voice for my AI12:10
Mister_Magisteri'll try to import some other voices later okay?12:11
Mister_Magistermal: you are native speaker, no?12:11
malMister_Magister: yes12:12
Mister_Magistermal: can you listen to that link above please and give feedback?12:12
Mister_Magistermal: can you listen to that link above please and give feedback?12:13
Mister_Magisteroh sorry missclick12:13
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Malakayone more thing - i have multirom installed, and there one android 5 rom and one sailfish rom - can I create one more rom for testing purposes?wont it affect my main Sailfish ROM?12:16
rinigusMister_Magister: great! I will finish one more thing I wanted to do with re-routing and finish uploading all my packages to OBS. then can work on the new things with the voice commands being high on priorities.12:16
rinigusMalakay: yep, you can.12:16
malMister_Magister: I think I misunderstood what you asked12:16
Mister_Magistermal: i'll put it simply. can you listen that and tell me your opinion? Is that voice undestandable?12:17
Mister_Magisterrinigus: sure mimic by default compiles as console program and you can call that from python i think that will be easiest12:18
rinigusMister_Magister: thanks!12:19
Mister_Magistermimic is fast and can play directly sou you'll not have to handle that12:20
Mister_Magisterfor what?12:20
Mister_Magisteri'm just telling you about mimic :D12:20
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Mister_Magisterwaiting for our native speaker for opinion :D12:21
Mister_Magisterrinigus: so i can help you with that tts thing (i like poor maps :3)12:24
rinigusMister_Magister: Thanks. I'll get back to you when I'll be able to work on it. Give me few days and we could start adding voices into it12:24
Mister_Magistersure and give me few days so i'll check if we even can add flite voices to mimic12:25
malMister_Magister: I meant that I misunderstood which language you meant when you asked if I'm native speaker, not english12:26
malMister_Magister: but to me that is understandable12:26
Mister_Magistermal: oh okay right forgot to ask if you are english native speaker haha12:26
r0kk3rzfinns speak reasonable english anyway12:27
Malakaythanks a lot for a help with everything :) i will try those poor maps and i will compare with aliendalvik gps functions and then I will make a decision12:27
Mister_MagisterMalakay: sure12:29
Mister_Magisteri have too many projects meh12:29
Mister_Magisterrinigus: didn't even know "The voice referenced via an url will be downloaded on the fly."12:31
Mister_Magistermimic is awesome12:31
rinigusMister_Magister: take a look on Poor Maps issue regarding voice navigation. There was discussion regarding espeak and flite @SFOS and issues with it. If SFOS-compiled mimic can do better, we can use that, for sure.12:40
Mister_Magisterrinigus: tried mimic on sfos and it's working great the only problem will be compiling it with audio support but maybe i'll fix that12:45
Mister_Magisterrinigus: the thing is that nobody knows about mimic :D12:47
rinigusMister_Magister: maybe we will pipe it into file and read it out later. That should allow us to know how long is the instruction to ensure that the navigation instructions don't overlap with each other are12:47
Mister_Magisterrinigus: sure we can do that12:48
Mister_Magisterbut if you don't make it async then it will not overlap12:48
Mister_Magisterrinigus: they clearly have problems with that espeak and flite. didn't tried to build mimic with voice support though (only to file)12:49
rinigusMister_Magister: there is no point in "Turn left now" instruction when you passed the turn, right? It should all async, as far as I understand.12:52
Mister_Magisteri mean generating 3 words takes like 0.04792812:53
rinigususually, you get instruction in some time before and then one just close to action. would be great to keep them apart [looks like we are flooding porters irc with navigation].12:53
Mister_Magisteri mean you wait until the process ends before you star another one12:53
Mister_Magisterso they will not overlap12:54
Mister_Magisterrinigus: we definitely should move that to #sailfishos haha :D12:54
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m4h0n3ycan someone give some idea how the liner debug can be turned on? there are a lot of usefull messages in the sources, but can i see them during linking?13:55
m4h0n3y*linker debug13:56
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kamnxtDoes anyone know what the first part in connman service naming is based on?14:11
kamnxtIt keeps changing after every reboot, but iw shows that the mac is still the same14:11
malfound some mistakes in the english texts while translating14:11
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rinigusmal, I presume in the server code. please let me know or submit PR with the corrected texts in github, if possible.15:13
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malrinigus: I'll do that once I have translated all so I can see if something else is found15:41
malrinigus: do you want me to also fix the same typo in the source code? it's in some signal name15:48
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rinigusmal: sure! any typo fixing is welcome! but then we'd have to track them all over the code :(15:56
malrinigus: yes, but those are easy to find15:58
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Mister_Magisterwhat you gus are working on? rinigus mal16:02
malMister_Magister: I'm just translating OSM Scout Server to Finnish16:03
Mister_Magisteroh okay16:03
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m4h0n3yi have patched linker and customized couple of debug messages... when i run logcat it works like it should, i see my custom debug messages and libshim works fine.... but when i run test_sensors it print non customized messages20:43
m4h0n3yso don't understand, why one binary works fine and use right linker20:43
m4h0n3ybut another uses some linker which i eve can't locate at my disk20:43
m4h0n3ycan someone explain why it behaves like that?20:44
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