Saturday, 2017-09-23

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Guest5202English is not easy to use the translation software Would like to ask Chinese users how to buy Sailfish X And how fast brush machine03:42
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stephgsledges: so I was wrong, haptics and vibra are working06:19
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stephgso the only thing I need to do really is document how it differs from the X for building (basically include Manizuca's repos but eventually I suppose he needs to upstream them)06:29
stephgbut the minimalhooks bit is still messy06:29
stephgalso, rather bizarrely many many harbour- apps are missing from the store06:32
stephgcan someone with an X see if things like solitaire games and ytplayer are available?06:36
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BluesLee_good morning06:38
BluesLee_two stupid questions regarding Sony X community ports06:39
BluesLee_i guess Jolla store can't be used yet, right?06:39
BluesLee_most packages / apps can't be used as we need 64bit ones, right?06:40
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r0kk3rzblueslee userspace is 32bit, so apps will work06:46
r0kk3rzand i think store was enabled already06:47
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jakibakiThe store works fine :)06:56
jakibakiI had to install it using pkcon though.06:57
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stephgjakibaki: if you have an X:  are things like solitaire games and ytplayer are available?06:57
stephgspecifically either of those06:57
jakibakistephg solitaire-games works and ytplayer works but is a bit laggy06:58
stephgbut they're there in the store?06:59
stephg(because on the first build for the XC they're not06:59
jakibakistephg yes06:59
stephgManizuca: if you're here (also you're up late!) your image builds for me so congratulations, I reckon alot of your repos can be pushed upstream07:01
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bluesleewhich images do you use?07:04
stephgblueslee: this is the XC, I built the image07:05
bluesleestephg: xc, another of those sony devices07:05
stephgfor the X I believe ghosalmartin has public images07:05
stephgblueslee: X compact07:06
bluesleestephg: many thanks, i will check the logs07:06
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bluesleei used an image of m4r0v3r and tried the one of vknecht, the latter gave me a boot loop07:09
jakibakiblueslee: vknecht uploaded a second image and linked it in the mega-link of the first one. That one works without having to reset:!QfhFkZyK!cmNLlPTT9GfrMXYADDr9DA07:10
jakibakithe m4r0v3r image caused system-icons to disappear after a while for me.07:11
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bluesleejakibaki: and what about the vknecht image, any issues?07:21
jakibakiblueslee: I can't change ambiences and by default only 2 cpu-cores are enabled (that can be fixed by adding this under the init-section of the /init.loire.pwr.rc file)07:22
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bluesleejakibaki: what about the Jolla store?07:24
jakibakiblueslee: that works perfectly after installing store-client and jolla-settings-accounts-extensions-jolla from pkcon.07:25
bluesleedo i need to wipe partitions or whatever if i reflash?07:26
bluesleejakibaki: okay, will check07:26
jakibakiblueslee: I didn't have to wipe anything.07:27
stephgjakibaki: the ambiences and cores things are known bugs, the cores there is a fix at the bottom of the wiki for it07:28
bluesleestephg: which wiki? :-)07:28
jakibakistephg: Is there a fix for the ambience thing (or at least a workaround)?07:29
bluesleei am not up to date07:29
bluesleemany thank guys07:30
bluesleetethering did never work on Nexus 5, good!07:30
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stephglots of fixes in there07:36
bluesleeyes, i guess we will add more. does sledges edit the wiki?07:37
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jurop_stephg: solitaire-games and ytplayer are in the store for me as well07:48
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piggzsledges: are there any connect-watch videos in en_GB?08:06
sledgesblueslee: welcome back, i edit wiki, but it also links to bugs.m.o for yo u fellows to report issues08:08
sledgespiggz: i'd just mute them:)) and fast fwd to os demo08:09
sledgespiggz: ping kido08:09
piggzi dont need to, you just did ;)08:09
kidohi piggz :)08:09
* piggz wonders what kido does08:09
sledgespiggz: that's how you get introduced on irc ;p08:09
sledgeshe created asteroidos08:10
kidonot that I know of, they handle their communication themselves and they were first only targetting the french market (hence the choice of ulule)08:10
piggzim happy enough that the money is sage and refunded , so i might aswell just order it08:11
kidoI also happen to be a consultant for connect watch but connect watch and asteroid are two distinct projects and entities ;)08:11
sledgesway to go!08:11
sledgeskido: not saying they are one;)08:12
kidocool, glad you like the project :)08:12
piggzi'll _have_ to write a totp app for it, its one of my main pepple apps08:12
sledgeskido:  we need more promo to succeed funding!08:12
kidosledges: sure, I just prefer to make sure people understand hehe :) they definitely need more communication indeed08:12
piggztrue ... atm, i exepct i'll just get the money back!08:12
sledgespiggz: go for paypal, this way no money will even leave08:13
kidoI believe they want to publish a video of the current development progress but I don't know when exactly08:13
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piggzkido: does the gps and hrm work well?08:20
piggzmy main use cases are, notification, calendar and gps > strav08:21
kidopiggz: tonight I got NMEA sentences from the gps chip in geoclue-hybris but the chip couldn't detect any satellite yet. that would need some more work08:23
kidono work on hrm yet08:23
piggzah, ok, I assumed that was all working, and just wondered why it wasnt on the video!08:23
piggzso, its wip08:24
sledgespiggz: kido: looks it shares the same approach as sailfishos devices (now xperiax) - improve after sales through updates!08:24
piggzyes, and thats fine08:24
sledgesexcept that this one can be fully contributed by community08:24
sledgeskido: congrats on getting your first hw partner! ;)08:24
piggzkido: does it have acceleropmeters for sleep/movement tracking?08:25
piggzand, compass?08:25
kidosledges: thank you :) technically, my first partnership was with Jolla eh08:25
piggzdoes the connect-watch company do any s/w dev, or rely solely on community?08:25
sledgeskido: yep, but we couldn't buy it :`(08:26
kidothe watch indeed has a compass and accelerometer08:26
kidoand if the crowdfunding is started, they decided to ship devices before complete software support08:27
kidoso that the community can help08:27
piggzsledges: did you got wifi or lte?08:28
kidopiggz: they do not work on the software. mainly communication and hardware sourcing08:28
piggzwhat is the point of the 720p camera?08:28
kidopiggz: ask them08:28
piggz(also, it is on the 'wrong' side for the wrist I use!)08:28
sledgesyou don't like filming your elbow?08:29
piggzsledges: no, esp not as I have 'tennis elbow', and its fscked!08:29
sledgesjust realised one has to do the forearm-mounted-laser-rocketlauncher move when using camera:))08:30
piggzyeah, on the front would make sense for video calling (like michael knight)08:31
sledgesor if anyone (ever) wears their watch face down - spiderman move08:31
sledgesor dick tracy08:31
sledgesfor phone calls08:31
piggzsledges: kido: done08:35
sledgesi think 720p camera is to prevent getting much out of it when using it as spy cam ;p08:36
sledgespiggz: well done!08:36
piggzi hope its good!08:36
* sledges goes to check
sledgespiggz: of course, it's asteroid os!;) i'll be happy if it shows time :D08:37
sledgeswhen i funded, goal became £6,66608:37
sledgeshope i haven't jinxed anything08:37
kidohehe, it already shows time quite well :) too bad you couldn't go to the last london meetup sledges, I had a prototype with me08:37
sledgeskido: i would have been happy to meet you fellows even without prototype:)08:38
sledgesnext time for sure!08:38
kidocool ! :)08:38
piggzjust need someone to write notifications app for sfos!08:39
piggzdr_gogeta86 has all the ideas there08:39
malpiggz: better would be a generic notification backend for sailfish08:40
piggzmal: yes i know08:41
malpiggz: but if you write some app to do that it could be used as a base08:41
piggzi ill have to read up about btle and gatt08:42
piggzsledges: did you go wifi or lte?08:44
sledgespiggz: one of each08:44
piggzwow, splashing the $$$08:44
sledgesfor each wrist08:44
sledgesmy gf likes gadgets ;p08:44
sledgesyet still unsure which one i'll give her08:45
sledgesoh wait, the colours will already be chosen..x)08:45
piggzmy wife wont give up her fitbit surge08:45
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piggzinfact, ive just inherited one08:45
piggzfitbit customer service is great ... watch strap snapped, and is 'non replaceable' fitbit say they will send new watch and bin old one ..... ordered strap from ebay for £5!08:46
sledgeswhat a name for a fitbit model!:D08:46
sledgespiggz: lol08:46
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piggzsledges: it was 15mo old, and cost £150 .... so, i got a free gps watch!08:47
sledgesshe has pebble atm, gotta love the clock face where it writes "Quarter to ten"08:47
* sledges needs to convert that to hands, and then back to time :D08:47
piggzsledges: button fell off my pebble08:47
piggzi use trek v3 ;)08:47
sledgespiggz: given your surge for bikes, a must have :)08:47
bluesleesledges: currently i am migrating everything to X, will give it a go as a daily driver, using vknechts latest image, i will report back on Sunday08:48
piggzkido: oh, on that subject ... how customisable is watch face on asteroid? could a stra-trek face be made ? :)08:48
malpiggz: I think I might do some small test with that libgato08:48
sledgespiggz: lol good old casio and-i-can-do-it-all watchface:))08:49
piggzmal: to polar?08:49
bluesleesledges: i hope we get an inofficial customer image, not on mega servers or wherever08:49
kidopiggz: it's just qml08:49
bluesleesledges: ^community image08:49
sledgesblueslee: it's up to community08:49
piggzkido: well, that me for a few nights once it arrives!08:50
sledgesblueslee: wow you're taking a proper plunge! hope you have all the fixes08:50
kidosledges: this one ? :)08:50
piggzmal: sledges: how is los14.1 coming for sfos?08:50
piggzsledges: is mer updating to qt 5.6.3?08:50
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bluesleesledges: no i do not like all the advertising and popups on those sides :-)08:50
sledgeskido: even better :D08:50
malpiggz: oops, I have forgetten to test the latest version, it would just be the last test before pushing those to public08:51
sledgespiggz: i wouldn't know, been engrossed with sfosx and loads of other stuff08:51
piggzmal: did you get further with sfdroid too?08:52
* piggz has been busy with kexi dev this week ... some really painful bugs08:52
malit starts but no touch control doesn't work yet, I have cleaned up the code08:52
piggzmal: can i have the image file?08:53
piggzjust to see if it boots08:53
bluesleei hope that people are not struggling with backuping drm,unlocking, flashing .. can be crucial for some.08:53
malI need to test the latest version08:53
malpiggz: on which device?08:53
malis that 64-bit?08:54
sledgesblueslee: we are working with sony to eradicate some inconsistencies in instructions on their website in that regard08:54
sledgesblueslee: obviously they don't include backuping DRM xD08:54
malpiggz: does it have TARGET_USES_64_BIT_BINDER := true in in device repos?08:55
bluesleesledges: thats good. i can already say: the sony x image is much better than the first alpha of Nexus 5;-)08:55
sledgesblueslee: i'll take it as a compliment:))08:55
piggzmal: yup08:55
malpiggz: ok, then the same image would work, I have only made an image for 64-bit devices08:56
mala mixed 32/64 image actually08:56
bluesleeokay, will be back after a weekend testing. maybe i can setup a migration guideline08:56
piggzmal: yeah, thats what ive been waiting for .. also, which andbox repo do you use?08:56
piggzi just need to make some small mods for my kernel version08:57
piggzmounting doesnt work in saidinesh5 version08:57
piggzkido: what qt version is asteroid using?08:57
malpiggz: my code is basically the our patches applied to upstream with a lot of cleanup code08:58
piggzkido: ok, so, full qt location with maps elements and qgeo* for drawing?08:58
piggzaww man, that is so much better than sfos!08:59
* piggz grumbles about jolla licensing issues08:59
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malpiggz: the original installation script was badly broken for 64-bit devices because it didn't handle lib/lib64 properly09:09
piggzmal: yes, i think i remember that09:10
malalso it wouldn't have started anyway because of the 64-bit binder09:10
piggzmal: yeah, thats the point I got stuck09:14
piggzi got the install done, and modified anbox so the mount worked09:14
piggzbut then things started failing09:14
piggzand i needed to build a 64bit image, and you beat me09:15
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bluesleecellular network does not work here. i put my pin, provider is shown but it searches for a network forever09:16
bluesleeokay, i take it back, it took very long09:17
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sledgesblueslee: maybe unrelated, but: Jolla C has bad habit of not reconnecting in low signal areas, takes ages. xperia x has the same issue, but surprisingly it's also the stock android that behaves the same (operatos:
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nh1402smells like there was some talk of sfdroid recently10:03
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Manizucastephg, now i just need the store :)10:41
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Mister_Magisterspiiroin: ping10:57
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Mister_Magisterjusa: ping11:54
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elroskrnlyng: ping13:26
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stephgManizuca: I have the store13:49
stephg(sorry was out all day13:49
stephgManizuca: so do you not have the package or do you not have any apps in the store?13:54
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Manizucastephg, no packages14:01
Manizucajust jolla apps14:02
stephgand no app store app?14:02
Manizucastephg, yes, i have the store, just no apps14:03
stephgManizuca: ok good14:03
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stephghokay so we need to get the build onto OBS14:05
* blap salutes the stalward porters14:05
stephgManizuca: well even before then, is your IMEI stable across reboots/matches what it says on the box/what it says in Android?14:06
stephg(settings>about device)14:07
Manizucastephg, tryed rebooting, no changes14:12
stephgManizuca: great14:14
stephgManizuca: are you able to create an account at in order to get store access (and for that matter OTA updates) we need to get it building on OBS14:15
stephgnot sure if registration is open or not because of spam (certainly was the case for the mer wiki and everything is SSO)14:15
stephgManizuca: I'm following the hadk-faq14:16
Manizucastephg, sign up disabled14:16
stephglbt: could we create an account on obs for Manizuca pls? ^^ (I have one from way-back-when)14:16
stephgManizuca: basically we get a project and admin on it and then get the build running automatically up there against your repos14:17
stephgonce we have that we can then get OTA updates and access to the store enabled14:17
stephgghosalmartin has presumably already done this for the X?14:18
elrosstephg: afaik you dont need obs for jolla store14:18
stephgelros: well it needs to be enabled by a Sailor and if we're going to do that we may as well do it right14:19
ghosalmartinstephg, what did i do?14:19
elrosstephg: I still see no connection between obs and jolla store but good luck :)14:19
stephgelros: 'how to bring store to your device:14:20
stephg    Your device adaptation should be on Mer OBS (read "Building things on OBS" below)'14:20
stephgghosalmartin: you have your X port up in OBS14:21
elrosstephg: I dont have obs and still have store enabled14:22
stephgelros: which device, who made the port and are there any apps in there14:23
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elrosstephg: xt897, me, all in store14:24
ghosalmartinstephg, i do indeed, but i dont think thats neccessary for store14:24
ghosalmartini just had to add a particular pattern because i think it was missed out14:25
_sveni have store access too with apps in there14:25
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stephgmy understanding is that a sailor (pketo_) has to enable 'devices'?14:25
ghosalmartinstephg, well for the X it was already enabled me thinks14:26
elrosyes, but you don't need obs for it just stable port and correct imei14:26
_sveni just create an account14:27
stephgghosalmartin: yes I expect so14:28
stephgelros: yep, but if people are going to use the community port then they're also going to want fun things like OTA updates and whatnot, also, I'm fed up of building on laptops :D14:28
malManizuca: which device?14:29
elrosstephg: I agree14:29
Manizucamal, X Compact: f532114:30
stephgmal: Manizuca has done all the hard work and has all of the repos in place, it builds cleanly (apart from needing a poke with the minimalhooks)14:32
stephgso I'd like to get it onto OBS14:32
malManizuca: ok, then store needs to be activated by jolla, check faq in channel topic for instructions14:33
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malstephg: yes, you need to wait until lbt creates the project, btw getting the proper OBS project is nicer than building in home project14:35
malsome people seem to build in their home projects14:35
ghosalmartinsledges, can you update the dcd to the latest master for the droid-config-f5121 please14:35
stephgmal: allegedly sledges can create the project too, I have an account but it's only right that manizuca is also made a maintainer for it, and that does need lbt14:39
Manizucamal, yeah, it says that i need OBS14:41
ghosalmartinis it possible to rename an obs project after creation?14:42
ghosalmartinmal: you know the adaptation0 url in ports, were does that come from?14:42
malManizuca: OBS is not needed for jolla store, strongly recommended though14:44
malghosalmartin: there is no adaptation0 anymore, it's adaptation-community-$DEVICE or something like that, assuming the port is properly made with community_adaptation defined in .spec14:45
ghosalmartinmal: but were does the url come from?14:46
malghosalmartin: from community-adaptation rpm14:46
ghosalmartinmal: mine seems to have qualcomm instead of the name sony14:48
ghosalmartinwhich breaks the url :/14:48
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malghosalmartin: what?14:50
ghosalmartinmal: for some reason on device it becomes
ghosalmartinrather than
Manizucawell, my IMEI is the same from the box and stays on reboots14:52
Manizucaso i think we only need to wait for pketo_ ?14:52
ManizucaDevice model: Xperia X Compact (f5321 / f5321)14:52
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malghosalmartin: what have you messed up14:54
pketo_Manizuca: I just have to go afk, but I'll take a look at that later14:54
ghosalmartinmal: dunno :P i didnt change anything, just enabled community-adaptation14:55
Manizucapketo_, np14:55
pketo_probably tomorrow14:55
malghosalmartin: ah the f5121 spec files are funny14:55
ghosalmartinmal: ah thats were its determined from hmmm14:56
ghosalmartinis it going to stay as qualcomm or will it change to sony i wonder14:56
malghosalmartin: to fix it you need have the project as that qualcomm version, not sure why jolla has qualcomm as rpm_vendor14:56
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malghosalmartin: maybe talk to sledges to ask why it's like that14:57
ghosalmartinmal: can you rename a project on obs after its creation?14:57
malghosalmartin: not moving but osc copypac is quite quick way15:01
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ghosalmartinlbt: can you please make this project nemo:devel:hw:qualcomm:f512115:06
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librehatstephg: I followed here. Great work! I have an idle HTC One M7 GSM variant and I would love to help/test. But I see there is no newer images uploaded here:
librehatAccording to, there should be an image at least from May 2016? he one rebased on Sailfish OS 2.0.1?15:13
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stephglibrehat I've not done it for a long while15:15
stephgbut do still have that m7 in my drawer15:15
stephglibrehat: what we probably need to do is rebase on a newer CM15:16
stephgI was using CM 11 and that's now very old15:16
stephglibrehat: that also means kinda starting from scratch :/15:16
stephgI don't know, what do people think, are there may other active ports (e.g. with say 2.1) that are still based on CM 11?15:17
stephglibrehat: the other thing is that the HADK and the process has got alot better since I made that m7 port, things may also be easier15:19
malstephg: I'm pretty sure it would be easier15:21
librehatOK. I can find CM/LineageOS 14.1 for M7:
librehatAccording to the feedbacks on XDA, basic things work well15:22
librehatI'm a totally newbie in terms of porting Sailfish OS (my day job is a C++ and JS developer)15:23
stephglibrehat: fwiw I'm an admin, we have folks from all walks of life here15:26
stephgif you're interested in this rabbit hole (and it is a rabbit hole :D ) have a read of
stephgdunno if 14 is too new paradoxically, I haven't looked at CM really since the closing down15:28
malstephg: I still haven't pushed the 14.1 repos to mer-hybris15:29
kimmolioo 2.0.0 is out?15:29
stephgkimmoli: yeah thursday last15:29
stephglibrehat: the process basically is: find a CM/AOSP, flash it, check everything works, build a kernel with bits sailfish needs against that, build hybris and the glue libs so that sailfish can talk to the underneath bits then package the whole lot15:30
stephgso there's a mix of androidish things, gluey things and linuxish things15:31
stephgit's a challenge but can be fun if you like puzzles15:31
librehatstephg: sounds like fun! I ported a build of CM to a cheap Chinese tablet many years ago and I kinda remember that feeling of solving puzzles in a rabbit hole15:32
librehatI'll give it a try in next few days/weeks :) thank you15:32
librehatmal: does that mean I'd better use an older CM/LineageOS than 14.1?15:33
ghosalmartinlibrehat, well cm13/lineage13 is more stable atm15:35
librehatghosalmartin: thank you15:35
stephglibrehat: I'm a bit preoccupied with Sony devices right now but am always here to help, I'll also get my my buildenv ready for the m7 too, its been too long :D15:35
ghosalmartinlibrehat, i think the easiest thing to do first it get your environment completely setup by following the hadk15:36
sledgesghosalmartin: done:
librehatSure thing thanks15:37
stephgsledges can you do me a sony:f5321 ?15:37
sledgesstephg: already on it;)15:37
ghosalmartinsledges, awesome cheers :) stephg there is already one15:37
malsledges: it's quite odd to have qualcomm as rpm_vendor15:37
ghosalmartinah wait no that :P15:37
sledgesmal: it's the SoC vendor, histerical reasons of official devices15:37
sledgesalso, we can't put ODMs there anyway;)15:37
malsledges: ok15:38
sledgesso it's more historical than histerical15:38
sledgesat least this one ;p15:38
sledgesstephg: done15:38
malsledges: it's understandable for the original devices15:38
sledgeswe keep it to a minimum of vendors internally15:39
sledgesadding new would break havoc15:39
malyep, makes things easier15:39
stephgsledges: ta muchly15:39
sledgesand if we get more partners like sony (unlikely, mostly they are ODMs anyway), we'd end up with this list
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malsledges: yep, quite a mess :)15:40
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malstephg: you went with sony rpm_vendor and not use the f5121 as a base15:41
malstephg: looks like you just got wrong project15:42
stephgmal that's old and abortive15:42
stephg(me messing about)15:42
sledgesstephg: you haven't messed about there:)
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stephgsledges: this is actually what I built tho:
sledgesstephg: same15:44
malstephg: still the same vendor15:44
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sledgesthere's too many places to rename15:44
malstephg: sledges it would be clean if all those sonys from aosp would be under the same vendor on obs15:44
* sledges nukes sony:f5321 and adds qualcomm:f532115:44
malsledges: also nuke the sony:f5121 probably15:45
sledgesmal: i've always had my hopes that you could supervise the creation of one multirepo for all modern sony devices, like you did with xperias 2011:)15:46
sledgesdo you think that's sane?15:46
locusfjust my two cents15:47
locusfprobably not one repo for all devices15:47
malsledges: could be possible, but maybe not as easy as for 2011 series, might need some changes to submodules etc but not too much15:47
locusfbut rather have platform separation like with the git repos15:47
mallocusf: that would be cleaner, so a submodule with the original submodule15:48
sledgesOBS can't do two levels of .inc15:48
locusfproblems arise though with having just 2 devices eg in loire15:49
locusfdarn obs15:49
stephgsledges: ta, all we need now is Manizuca's account and we're rocking and rolling15:49
sledgeslbt: is on holiday for a fortnight :/15:50
stephgdoh, and happy holibobs lbt :D15:50
sledgesManizuca: write to his mail, he'll probably won't be around on irc, but a slightly bigger chance he'd check those15:51
locusfsledges: whats two levels of .inc?15:52
malsledges: I think at least for loire devices a shared repo might be possible, those are quite similar15:52
locusfsomething about rpms or git?15:53
stephgsledges, whilst we're also here, can you do me an htc:m7? if I'm doing this I may as well do that at the same time15:54
ghosalmartinthe speed of the gps lock on the X is amazing15:54
malghosalmartin: really? I haven't tested yet, did you do a cold lock without any assisting features?15:55
ghosalmartinmal: ah well i used all the assist features :P but it was cold15:55
malghosalmartin: hope you didn't have the mozilla system on?15:55
ghosalmartinmal i did15:56
malghosalmartin: that gets position immediately15:56
ghosalmartinmal: good, its nice to have gps that works quickly15:56
stephglibrehat: I just looked on this computer and the alst time I tried a build (unsuccesful I guess) was 8th of February this year,
stephglibrehat: I've got the codebase so I'm going to refresh it and see if I can build something much newer15:56
malghosalmartin: it uses cell towers for location15:56
malso a rough initial location15:57
librehatstephg: great thanks!15:57
librehatit just turned out that I don't have enough disk space in Linux... ugh I'll have to sort that out first15:57
ghosalmartinmal: i can live with that, most my gps use is on a motorcycle trying to get from A-B, even when am badly lost in the middle of knowhere i dont mind waiting at that point15:57
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malstephg: better to recreate the patterns, those have been changed a lot15:57
stephgmal indeed, I will do that all from new, but I have the repo already and I know that my ancient CM still works15:58
malstephg: while updating the submodules15:58
stephgI'm just being lazy not wanting to tackle a new CM :)15:58
ghosalmartinsledges, also to clean up after mic, all I had to do was unmount the partitions it mounted and the next image it creates works fine15:58
ghosalmartinright quick trip to the market to get dinner, its curry night :D15:59
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Manizucasledges, ok, will do16:02
kukushonokhi all. anyone have aosp-7.1 or maybe lineage-14.1 source as base for sfos? i wanna try build hybris-hal on top of nougat souce. should i start from scratch or i can join to someone?16:06
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lllanyone there16:17
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malkukushonok: I have made lineage-14.1 base for sailfish but it's not yet public, needs some final testing before that16:19
kukushonokmal: ok thanks.16:21
lllMust be installed Linux to brush Sailfish X?16:21
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stephglll: brush, this was translated badly before, do you mean build? compile? install?16:24
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stephglll: you need linux to install Sailfish X on an Xperia X, and you need linux to build an image as well16:24
stephglll: yep, you need linux to flash the Xperia X16:26
lllIs not now able to install the Sailfish X function is not yet full Bluetooth can not be used16:26
stephglll: Bluetooth currently does not work, Jolla have a fix and it is coming soon16:27
lllNot to say that need to spend money to buy it now direct installation can also be used directly?16:28
stephglll: the people in this IRC channel are making the 'community port', it is the same as what Jolla will release but does not have commercial software in it, for example the Android run time16:30
lllAfter the direct installation of this Sailfish X or buy it Another Chinese users how to get Sailfish X16:30
lllCan not run the Andrews virtual machine by installing Sailfish X?16:31
stephglll: the Android VM installed on official Sailfish Devices is proprietary software, and not open source, this is one reason why Jolla will ask for money for the official Sailfish X16:32
stephglll: the community Sailfish version for the Xperia X cannot have that software, however we do have some community projects to support Android, for example sfdroid16:33
lllSo how do Chinese consumers buy the Sailfish X installation package?16:33
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lllSo 49 euro is the money to buy virtual machine?16:35
lllChinese users have a lot of people to buy the F5121 just do not know how to buy16:37
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stephglll: all of the proprietary software (Android, predictive keyboard, Microsoft Exchange support and so on) and updates for at least a year16:37
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lllI am here is the Chinese jolla fans to the Chinese users there are still many people waiting for the Sailfish X and your follow-up news (have to say, you lack a propaganda department. News update too little)16:40
stephglll: well we are only the sailfish community; we are not the company16:42
ghosalmartinstephg, haha lack of propaganda department, had me in stitches16:42
stephglll: we are working on making sailfish on the Xperia X just like we do on all the other phones:
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stephgghosalmartin: well it's coming through a translation service, but yeah :)16:43
ghosalmartinstephg, yeah am sure what was meant is marketing, but I guess for apple it really is a propaganda department :P16:43
lllAt present in the Chinese consumers here feel jolla is not dead. The The Almost do not see jolla news propaganda16:44
stephglll: the Sony devices are different as they share the same base software. If we can make it work on the Xperia X we should be able to make it work on many other Sony devices (we have already made the Xperia X Compact work, and people are working on the XZ family)16:44
lllI just bought XZ1 hopefully used on Sailfish OS16:45
stephglll: we also feel Sailfish is not dead, otherwise we wouldn't be in this IRC channel16:45
stephglll: people are working on it!16:45
lllOf course I know. The The I just tell you about the Chinese market in this environment is very unfriendly to jolla16:46
stephglll: Jolla is a small company, things are difficult16:46
lllAlmost no news of the publicity occasionally to a news commentary are asking the system actually still alive16:47
ghosalmartinsledges, if i build hybris-boot and flash the result to the X it won't boot, but I can telnet in, is that expected behaviour?16:47
lllThis I know from the beginning of N9 until you a generation of jolla production follow-up of a series of things I basically are concerned about16:48
stephglll: I cannot speak for Jolla, but I know that building this software takes time, and they are small, so if they don't say anything in the press or on their blog that is because they are working hard and there is nothing new to say16:49
stephglll: but the community is also active and working hard every day here, so things are moving forward, even if there are no new 'official' announcements16:49
lllI know that jolla big layoffs but Chinese users will not see these only care that you have no better news coverage. The The The And you said good October China Sailfish OS16:51
stephgwell the blog announcement about the Xperia X official software says October the 11th for downloads, so that should be the case16:52
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lllI have a bad English I have never thought of direct contact with you this is the Google translation. The The You have a news in the Twitter on my side will personally give you on the network to promote you here I set up a jolla group there are many people have been concerned about waiting for your sail sail16:53
stephglll: Google Translate is doing a good job, you can tell your group there that the community have made a working image for the X and X Compact and that we're working on others too (and not just Sony devices)16:56
lllAt present the Chinese market is still too chaotic. The The The As far as I know, the Sailfish OS project in China seems to be only available to the government and the Russian government as hope to be able to do better to enter the Chinese market. Otherwise, there is no appeal in the Chinese market16:56
stephglll: but we are the Sailfish community and not Jolla so can't speak about what they are doing commercially16:57
lllIs not the problem of X completely solve the follow-up of the adaptation of the Sony model will speed up it16:57
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stephglll: once the X is done, all other Sony devices should be easier. Personally I hope that the interest in the X means that other manufacturers go into partnership so we see more official Sailfish devices16:58
lllAt present, Chinese consumers want to cooperate with companies such as millet and Huawei16:59
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lllThis can be better to enter the Chinese market17:00
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stephglll: we have some community support for some Huawei devices, but we (and Jolla if they are to support a device) need good open-source support for those devices17:01
lllThere is. The The Most of the users in China are very dissatisfied with the 400RMB (most of us that are acceptable) if you consider the future more suitable package to China or hope to be able to lower the price of the purchase of people in fact jolla is to make money. The After all, China's population is more17:02
stephglll: yes, and the trend in the west is for very expensive devices now, which I think is completely crazy17:04
ghosalmartinstephg, its "Courage" :P17:05
stephgghosalmartin: it's a 'scam' :D17:05
ghosalmartinstephg, "Courage" == 'scam' sure :P17:05
lllChinese users at this stage or like cheap free of such a large number of people really experience the comfort of the Sailfish OS will naturally give jolla advertising to promote China's brand mobile phone is the fire so pay attention to "cost"17:05
ghosalmartinApples strategy, Step 1 Remove Features, Step 2 Increase Price, Step 3 ??? Step 4 Profit17:06
lllHesitate to use the Chinese market Andrews system so many consumers never thought to spend too much money to buy a system used to spend money to buy configuration17:09
lllIf the Sailfish X adapter package in the other models of Sony can also be installed to use then 400RMB domestic users are still quite acceptable17:12
stephglll: like I said, I hope that the X is a success, and that other Sony devices also follow17:17
lllAs long as the adaptation of the X perfect China will have a lot of people to try to buy Sailfish X adapter package now part of Andrews users have begun to bored Andrews system But this year's Apple X operation feel a little bit to hit the Sailfish OS17:19
lllHope jolla company can speed up the adaptation speed17:19
stephglll: yes, I hope so too17:20
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lllIn addition to Sony there are other brands to cooperate now I know is the nearest JALA17:23
kimmolighosalmartin: step3
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lllApple this new operation will feel great impact on the subsequent operation of Sailfish OS. The Especially Chinese users may say Sailfish OS gesture plagiarized apple X. The The17:27
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ghosalmartinkimmoli, soundsa bout right17:42
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_svenups wrong window17:43
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AlmAckhi, why when I try to unlock xperia x I get "FAILED (remote: Command not allowed)" (using fastboot). I verified, my phone is "unlock allowed"18:07
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ghosalmartinAlmAck, how did you try to unlock? did you go to developer options and hit the oem unlock as well?18:11
AlmAckI'm following the sony instructions, enabled dev options. with "fastboot devices " I see the device, but then when I use the command fastboot -i 0x0fce oem unlock 0x1231231 I get this error18:12
AlmAckI found it!ü18:13
AlmAckthank you ghosalmartin, but this step is not specified in the sony guide... strange18:13
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ghosalmartinAlmAck, odd18:14
AlmAckunlocked :-)18:14
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ghosalmartinAlmAck, awesome :)18:19
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AlmAckI will try to flash the vknecht image (from September 20), and see how it works18:22
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ghosalmartinAlmAck, okays, if you have any issues with it let us know but i think his image is working perfectly19:20
ghosalmartinmal you about?19:20
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AlmAckthe only minor thing I noticed so far is that during the tutorial, when explaining the phone app pull-down menu, during the animation the hand is rendered without a transparent background (you can see the hand image frame moving)19:26
stephgAlmAck: that's interesting19:29
AlmAckyou need a video of that? so is more clear?19:30
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stephgAlmAck: would be curious after a reboot and if you launch the tutorial again its still there19:33
AlmAckyes, still there even after a reboot19:36
kimmolii dont see a frame19:36
malghosalmartin: ?19:37
sledgeslocusf: two levels of the main git repo (where .spec is) having a submodule (with assumed .inc) inside another submodule (another .inc) if me and mal understood you correctly (18:48 < mal> locusf: that would be cleaner, so a submodule with the original submodule)19:38
ghosalmartinmal, sledges: the two core issue on the X, is that just in the background or is it through the entire operation of the phone?19:39
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kimmoliAlmAck: if you mean this
AlmAckstephg: kimmoli: (the tutorial language is Italian)19:40
piggzoh, there is a hadk219:41
piggzwhats difference to 1.9.9?19:41
malsome fixes19:41
piggznote to jolla: add section 'changlog'19:41
sledgesghosalmartin: ah yes, LVM volumes, also seen in `/sbin/losetup`; will add the cleanups after mic in wiki, thanks!19:41
stephgAlmAck: that's excellent19:42
sledgesghosalmartin: the first built hybris-boot.img (via hybris-hal) is the legacy one, which doesn't know how to mount LVM volumes; so ssh would not be that useful there anyway. take one rebuilt by droid-hal-img-boot (same for recovery)19:42
ghosalmartinsledges, ahh I see okay thanks :)19:43
locusfsledges: this is for obs hierarchy, maybe I misunderstood some stuff here19:45
sledgesghosalmartin: droid-config-f5121/dcd is only one commit behind master, which is patterns templates, doesn't influence device patterns19:45
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ghosalmartinsledges, the store pattern isnt included i think19:46
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sledgesghosalmartin: ask abranson about cores19:51
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sledgespiggz: only bugfixes in hadk2 so we get less same questions here19:52
sledgeslocusf: OBS can only include one level down (an .inc into .spec, but not an .inc within an .inc)19:53
sledgesghosalmartin: store pattern is added in wiki, submodule only contains template patterns that get copied over when a fresh device is being ported19:53
locusfsledges: ahaa19:53
ghosalmartinsledges, were is this mystical wiki? :P19:54
sledgesghosalmartin: same place, from sailfishx hw opensourcing blogpost19:55
sledgesPSA: HADK v2.0.1 is now out, forces installation of 2.1.1 sb2 target and has a go about determining camera blobs bitness (in gstreamer1.0 section)19:56
sledgesmal: ^19:56
sledges*gives a go ;p19:56
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ZuccaAny rumors/guesses on if Sailfish OS will be ported to Xperia X Compact also?20:01
malsledges: nice20:02
malZucca: afaik xc port is already being done by community20:07
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sledgesPSA: sailfishx GPS fix explained in
sledges(untested ;p)20:19
malsledges: just wondering how 2.1.1 will work on f5121 since the store fix is missing from patterns20:21
malsledges: or does it come some differently in that case20:22
vknechtsledges, testing... :-)20:25
vknechttoo bad the webserver hosting the target archive is so slow...20:27
saidinesh5vknecht: you can use android file host or something like that and mirror the images on devaamo..20:28
vknechtindeed, got it faster from the browser rather than the sdk-assistant script20:29
vknechtSafemode`, or you meant something else ?20:30
saidinesh5sledges: any links to the sources of the hadk? aka where i cn see the diffs ?20:30
vknechtooops, saidinesh5 I meant :)20:30
saidinesh5vknecht: Ahh i thought you wanted to upload your build.. I use this.. and then mirror the build on devaamo20:31
vknechtI'll have to look into that ; got the quick "mega" way, only other solution at hand was home-hosted webserver with 500kbytes/s upload ;-)20:33
saidinesh5heh i try to avoid mega links.. they add crazy limits..20:33
saidinesh5vknecht: you too  were building for the xperia x?20:34
saidinesh5Ah.. you can apply for the dev account on afh. you usually get it in half an hour or something..20:36
saidinesh5also gives you nice "number of downloads"..20:36
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vknechtI admit I was curious about stats, but there aren't any in mega, it seems20:37
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vknechtsledges, following hadk-faq fpr f5121 fix, the git clone command doesn't populate dhd/ subdir... misses --recursive it seems20:48
vknecht*for f5121 gps20:49
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Zuccamal: Cool. I'll try to keep my eye on the progress then. :)20:57
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NikosASalut everyone!20:58
NikosAThanks for the great work on the upcoming Sailfish X.20:59
NikosAI am not a "porter", but I would like to give the recent build guide a go.20:59
stephgZucca: we have a functional port, we're sorting out making it behave nicely with the store and get updates, (basically productionizing it)21:00
NikosAIf things go well with the recent build guide, will future updates be sufficient in getting the release version running on the F5121?21:02
stephgNikosA: yes, OTA updates should be do-able and store stuff, community can never have Alien Dalvik however, or any of the other proprietary software21:04
NikosAstephg: Thank you. So, Alien Dalvik will come with the official release (?).21:05
stephgNikosA: the one you buy, yes21:07
NikosAstephg: Sounds good.21:07
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stephgNikosA: the community one (i.e. here, and like all of our other ports can't because it's proprietary21:07
NikosAstephg: Sorry, would you mind sharing a estimation about how long the "building" will take? If you know.21:08
stephgbut the community does also have a runtime, (search for sfdroid)21:08
stephgNikosA: there are a couple of builds in existance already, but they're not quite finished21:09
NikosAstephg: Would you mind recommending one? I just got hands of an F5121 and can't wait to see Sailfish running on it.21:10
vknechtit also depends on your download speed ;-) but count at keast half a day, I guess21:10
vknechtthere's the one I made, no bt / cam recording green/ no offline gps :!QfhFkZyK!cmNLlPTT9GfrMXYADDr9DA21:12
stephgvknecht: the zip is what, about a gig?21:12
vknechtI only get tar.bz221:13
vknechtbut yes21:13
vknechtand it has jolla store21:13
stephgsorry I meant vernacular zip, not .zip, but the download is about that size I mean21:14
malgps is trivial to fix21:14
vknechtvernacular ?21:14
vknechtmal, I'm following the doc atm ;-)21:15
malvknecht: well if you update the repo in rpm folder the it will be fixed if you built 2.1.121:16
stephgvknecht: vernacular == common usage of a word; I said zip, I should have said 'archive'21:16
piggzmal: got any connection to your polar?21:16
malpiggz: I was just checking the various options, didn't yet try anything21:16
piggzwhat options exist?21:17
vknechtstephg, ok :-)21:17
vknechtmal, I just did
vknechtmw rebuilt find, geoclue included21:18
malpiggz: directly with bluez, maybe libgato, newer qt connectivity would have bt le support, some other ones also21:18
vknechtnow I guess I can skip syspart ?21:19
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NikosAvknecht: Thanks for hints.21:20
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ghosalmartinNikosA, should have gps fix, and store working fine21:31
NikosAghosalmartin: Thanks for heads-up.21:32
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_svensome here tried caldav calendar on the x images? cant see caldav accounts on calendar settings.21:52
speactra_sven: caldav works with the image from
_sveni build my own image21:57
* vknecht didn't try caldav21:58
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* _sven heard this problem occurs at the vknecht image too22:12
vknechtmaybe this was fixed recently, my image is 3 days old22:13
vknechtand right now I get (at mic stage)22:14
vknechtWarning: file /usr/libexec/droid-hybris/system/bin/minimediaservice conflicts between attempted installs of droid-hal-f5121-0.0.6-201709232049.armv7hl and droidmedia-0.20170921.0-1.armv7hl22:14
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_svensystemctl —user stop msyncd && systemctl —user enable msyncd fixed the problem22:26
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