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| nh1402 | ghosalmartin: hello | 08:41 |
| ghosalmartin | nh1402, waddup yo | 08:41 |
| nh1402 | ghosalmartin: u no 'ow i' is, work an' shi' | 08:43 |
| ghosalmartin | nh1402, ah mate tis such a piss take | 08:43 |
| nh1402 | ghosalmartin: i no righ' i'm making an instruction manual of how to use the android app | 08:46 |
| ghosalmartin | nh1402, is it for mass consumers or specific corporate use? | 08:46 |
| nh1402 | specific corporate use | 08:47 |
| ghosalmartin | nh1402, ah okay makes more sense :P if it was mass consumers id say the app had already failed at that point | 08:47 |
| r0kk3rz | nothing wrong with a manual, this idea that everyone should just divine how something works is quite bizarre :P | 08:54 |
| nh1402 | I understand where they're coming from, I wrote the app, I know exactly how it works, it's like I'm stating the obvious when writing the documentation | 08:55 |
| nh1402 | but someone else who is coming in blind, don't have a clue | 08:55 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah often getting developers to write the documentation is a terrible idea | 08:57 |
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| nh1402 | r0kk3rz: it's a small company, in this case the developers are the technical writers, testers, as well as the developer. The only thing we don't do is user stories. | 08:59 |
| r0kk3rz | same here really | 08:59 |
| r0kk3rz | but the results are usually fairly terrible... so you get this vicious cycle of nobody reads the documentation because its shit | 09:00 |
| nh1402 | and by developers I mean, me and this other guy | 09:00 |
| r0kk3rz | heh | 09:01 |
| nh1402 | who has been working at the company since i've been alive | 09:01 |
| r0kk3rz | ah yes, theres a few of those around here... | 09:01 |
| nh1402 | everyone here is at least double my age | 09:03 |
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| nh1402 | r0kk3rz: I was told to write the documentation for this other thing, which went over well, so I'm assigned to do all of them now... | 09:04 |
| r0kk3rz | :D | 09:06 |
| r0kk3rz | a victim of your own success, i feel i'll get that soon | 09:06 |
| r0kk3rz | i hacked together an android app for an internal project and corporate caught wind and went "oh you guys can do android apps? ive got a few ideas" | 09:07 |
| nh1402 | that was kind of loosely like a friend of mine, the company he works for outsourced the mobile app stuff to someone else, and he was like 'but I can make one' and started to work on one in his free time. | 09:09 |
| nh1402 | and the people they outsourced to F'd it up BIG time, and they outsourced it to someone else to fix it, and now my friend is the one doing the app from scratch himself during work time. | 09:10 |
| nh1402 | since it was so bad, the second lot that was contracted to fix it, couldn't. | 09:11 |
| nh1402 | and they were like F it, we'll do it ourselves | 09:12 |
| nh1402 | r0kk3rz: i suppose that's not even loosely similar to what you said | 09:12 |
| r0kk3rz | android app development is quite horrible | 09:12 |
| r0kk3rz | i want to rinse my hands of this one and never look back | 09:12 |
| nh1402 | r0kk3rz: at least it's not iOS development | 09:13 |
| r0kk3rz | never tried that one | 09:13 |
| nh1402 | using a language that forces you to write code which you've learnt your whole academic life to be bad practice, in that way. | 09:14 |
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| r0kk3rz | to be fair what you learn as 'best practice' at uni is usually about 10-20 years out of date | 09:15 |
| nh1402 | r0kk3rz: I meant like basic things like, no semicolon at end of line | 09:18 |
| nh1402 | no parentheses with if statement conditions | 09:18 |
| nh1402 | or loop conditions | 09:19 |
| r0kk3rz | so its like python then :P | 09:19 |
| r0kk3rz | or bash, or basic | 09:19 |
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| nh1402 | used basic at A-level, then my professor at uni just refused to acknowledge it as a language | 09:23 |
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| r0kk3rz | hah, good ol' programmer elitism :D | 09:24 |
| nh1402 | kind of like how I refuse to acknowledge scratch in the same way | 09:25 |
| r0kk3rz | yes how dare they try and make programming more approachable by children | 09:26 |
| nh1402 | there's a guy who did a week placement here, who was learning scratch in IT at school, and he's at GCSE level | 09:28 |
| nh1402 | I don't think scratch is appropriate for someone of that age. | 09:28 |
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| r0kk3rz | im sure you can still use it to learn some fundimentals | 09:30 |
| stephg | nh1402: depends what their career path is | 09:31 |
| r0kk3rz | tbh scratch is probably a better choice than excel functions | 09:32 |
| nh1402 | imo they should go straight to Basic | 09:33 |
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| stephg | nh1402: again depends who they are what they are and what they're doing, like scratch at 15 is fine if it's just 'fundamentals of programming' or 'how it works' but they're not going to be doing it for a job, if they are doing it for a job then yeah you're right | 09:35 |
| stephg | I thought python was the vogue language these days anyway (for gcse) | 09:35 |
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| r0kk3rz | i didnt really 'learn programming' until university | 09:36 |
| r0kk3rz | i was far too busy with photoshop and 3dsMax in highschool | 09:36 |
| nh1402 | r0kk3rz: hey, I learnt to use 3dsmax too, in my free time around that same time frame. | 09:37 |
| kimmoli | but when you master all excel functions in all languages... | 09:37 |
| r0kk3rz | nh1402: afaik the class at my old school is still using my examples | 09:38 |
| nh1402 | still need to learn how to use Blender though to get those game ideas off the idea floor. | 09:38 |
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| Mister_Magister | u have got nice conversation there can i join? lol | 09:42 |
| HoSnoopy | I had a problem with my camera on a Moto G 2nd Generation LTE "Thea" after a zypper refresh and zypper update. Camera didnt work at all. The problem is in the gstreamer-bad-upgrade. I had to downgrade by typing " zypper install --force gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad-1.4.5git10-2.armv7hl". | 09:43 |
| HoSnoopy | After that the cam works again ;-) | 09:44 |
| r0kk3rz | HoSnoopy: why did you `zypper update`? | 09:47 |
| r0kk3rz | dont do that :P | 09:47 |
| Mister_Magister | r0kk3rz: why lol | 09:48 |
| r0kk3rz | because it ignores the patterns, and can break things | 09:48 |
| HoSnoopy | r0kk3rz: for getting software upgrades.. ;) | 09:48 |
| HoSnoopy | r0kk3rz: ok, good to know. | 09:48 |
| Mister_Magister | zypper is ignoring patterns? wha? | 09:48 |
| Mister_Magister | Random funny fact. My univerity is hosting gentoo repository | 09:49 |
| r0kk3rz | whats funny about that? its fairly common for uni's to do such things | 09:49 |
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| Mister_Magister | r0kk3rz: geez -_- | 09:50 |
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| nh1402 | the uni I went to had an opensuse server where we learnt java, and submitted assignments and things | 09:51 |
| Mister_Magister | "java" | 09:52 |
| Mister_Magister | well i'm learning pascal and c | 09:52 |
| HoSnoopy | I only can a little bit of python O:-) | 09:52 |
| Mister_Magister | list of languages that i can use started to be quite long :v | 09:53 |
| r0kk3rz | HoSnoopy: anyway, the only way you should update things is with `version dup` | 09:53 |
| Mister_Magister | but i master php and c/c++ | 09:54 |
| Mister_Magister | r0kk3rz: i was always updating using zypper dup lol | 09:54 |
| Mister_Magister | even my ota instructions have it | 09:54 |
| r0kk3rz | Mister_Magister: cool story bro | 09:54 |
| Mister_Magister | nobody had a problem lol | 09:55 |
| HoSnoopy | me had :} | 09:55 |
| Mister_Magister | you are not using my port do you? :D | 09:55 |
| HoSnoopy | No. | 09:55 |
| HoSnoopy | haha | 09:55 |
| HoSnoopy | guhls one. | 09:55 |
| HoSnoopy | I found a MotoG-Camerfix-package. What is it? | 09:56 |
| HoSnoopy | cermafix | 09:56 |
| HoSnoopy | aaaah! camerafix | 09:56 |
| Mister_Magister | it's probably outdated and for g1 and outdated | 09:57 |
| HoSnoopy | ok | 09:59 |
| nh1402 | pascal?!? | 09:59 |
| nh1402 | my workplace is still using pascal for their 20/30 year old software, but eventually we'll be replacing tht. | 10:00 |
| r0kk3rz | why anyone would teach pascal in this day and age is beyond me :) | 10:00 |
| Mister_Magister | yeah pascal that outdated not used anymore shit | 10:00 |
| r0kk3rz | it'd be like teaching cobol | 10:00 |
| Mister_Magister | probably for learning basic programming | 10:01 |
| r0kk3rz | python or java is good for that | 10:01 |
| r0kk3rz | unless they deliberately want a language you cant copypasta from stackoverflow | 10:02 |
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| nh1402 | r0kk3rz: that reminds me of an interview I went for a few years back, willing to teach cobol for those interested | 10:11 |
| nh1402 | as what I assumed was a big enough portion of their clients required it | 10:12 |
| nh1402 | for cash machines and such | 10:12 |
| nh1402 | that was probably the worst interview I've ever had. | 10:13 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah cobol is currently paying big dollars in the financial world, but you might get 5-10 years out of it at best | 10:14 |
| nh1402 | they had 3 areas of focus, Java, Cobol and something else C# I think | 10:15 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah java is quite big, c# is also a growing language | 10:15 |
| Mister_Magister | imo both of them are shit lol | 10:15 |
| r0kk3rz | Mister_Magister: yeah ok Mr. PHP | 10:16 |
| Mister_Magister | ssshhh php7 is nice | 10:16 |
| stephg | fsvo of nice | 10:16 |
| stephg | s/of// | 10:16 |
| nh1402 | tbf I'm kind of glad I didn't end up working there, the kind of people they called back for a second interview, were the kind that would talk over others to get their point across | 10:16 |
| Mister_Magister | fsvo? | 10:16 |
| stephg | 'for specific values of' | 10:17 |
| nh1402 | I had to learn PHP for this job | 10:17 |
| nh1402 | the first thing I did | 10:17 |
| nh1402 | I did learn the very basics at uni though, so it wasn't completely alien to me. | 10:17 |
| Mister_Magister | from php7 php is starting to be nice language | 10:18 |
| Mister_Magister | (ps: i master c/c++/qt too and i'm considering switching to c/c++/qt) | 10:18 |
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| r0kk3rz | `c/c++/qt` makes no sense, all 3 of those things are worlds apart | 10:21 |
| Mister_Magister | not sure about that | 10:22 |
| Mister_Magister | you can use c inside c++. but anyway let's clear it up to c++ with qt | 10:22 |
| r0kk3rz | qt style c++ is completely different from standard c++ | 10:22 |
| r0kk3rz | if you remove the MOC its practically a different language | 10:23 |
| Mister_Magister | yeah | 10:23 |
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| lbt_away | PSA: A couple of Mer physical disks need replacing. One is on the main auth box so most Mer services will go down for a while (est 1-4 hrs). I'll do this after 18:00 UK time (20:00 Finnish) | 11:30 |
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| stephg | welcome back lbt! | 11:32 |
| lbt | good to be back - great to have a decent holiday :D | 11:32 |
| stephg | good stuff :D | 11:33 |
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| lantern1 | hi, guys, does anybody know why lvscan on my F5122 outputs errors? even in recovery | 14:52 |
| lantern1 | '/dev/mmcblk0rpmb: read failed after 0 of 4096 at 0: Input/output error /dev/mmcblk0rpmb: read failed after 0 of 4096 at 4128768: Input/output error /dev/mmcblk0rpmb: read failed after 0 of 4096 at 4186112: Input/output error /dev/mmcblk0rpmb: read failed after 0 of 4096 at 4096: Input/output error ACTIVE '/dev/sailfish/root' [2.44 GiB] inherit ACTIVE '/dev/sailfish/home' [47.38 GiB] inher | 14:52 |
| lantern1 | those sector numbers are non-random - 0x3F0000 and 0x3FE000 and 0x1000 | 14:53 |
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| ggabriel | o/ | 15:25 |
| ggabriel | so... I'm setting up the latest hadk, quick question I couldn't find an answer to: does platform sdk require the user "mersdk"? | 15:26 |
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| r0kk3rz | ggabriel: no i dont think so | 15:30 |
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| stephg | r0kk3rz is right I believe | 15:36 |
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| stephg | ggabriel: the only thing I think it cares is that you have sudo in the first place (and perms to do mount -o bind and such) | 15:40 |
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| delaya73 | Hello, how to boot in normal, not debug mode? | 15:54 |
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| gischpelino[m] | hi, may I cite Dijkstra: "It is practically impossible to teach good programming to students that have had a prior exposure to BASIC: as potential programmers they are mentally mutilated beyond hope of regeneration." ;-) | 16:01 |
| nh1402 | you may not | 16:04 |
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| nh1402 | " they are mentally mutilated beyond hope of regeneration." in my case, that explains *a lot* | 16:05 |
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| T4 | <@adampigg> What.about those whos first adventure into programming was by copying.code from books and magazines into an 8bit machine? | 16:06 |
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| stephg | sledges: NokiusTelegram[m the upside down selfie camera bug is v. annoying | 16:23 |
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| r0kk3rz | selfiecam upside down? nice! | 16:30 |
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| ggabriel | r0kk3rz, stephg: thanks... I may have a bug somewhere then. Nothing big, will post later/another day. I think my issue was with sdk-manage --targets --list or something like that | 16:40 |
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| meatbiscuit | hello folks | 16:43 |
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| TheOnlyBouncer | Ohai, question, i have a spare Huawei P8 Lite and might take a stab at porting Sailfish, anyone known to be working on this phone already? | 16:48 |
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| meatbiscuit | does anyone know what payment forms are going to be accepted when the official image rollout starts? | 16:49 |
| TheOnlyBouncer | Talking about the original ALE-L21 btw | 16:49 |
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| r0kk3rz | meatbiscuit: bitcoin | 16:51 |
| r0kk3rz | TheOnlyBouncer: i think Mister_Magister was looking at that one too | 16:52 |
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| Mister_Magister | whaaay? | 16:58 |
| Mister_Magister | ah yeah P8 lite is under crowdfunding | 16:58 |
| Mister_Magister | TheOnlyBouncer: ^ | 16:58 |
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| HoloIRCUser1 | Since hadk guide mentioned transition to lineage os,is it possible to port sailfish to 64bit devices now? | 17:14 |
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| oenone | Device=XperiaX F5122 with Sailfish from m4r0v3r installed, working. I want to resize my partitions like described on the community thread for Sailfish X on TMO (https://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1535928&postcount=181) How can I boot into hybris-recovery.img? I have tried [sudo fastboot boot $ANDROID_ROOT/hybris/mw/droid-hal-img-boot-f5121/installroot/boot/hybris-recovery.img] but I don't think I have this recovery image | 17:38 |
| oenone | Is there a source for this image and how would I go about putting it on my device? Or, is there an alternative I can try to achaive the same results? | 17:38 |
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| oenone | I can get a terminal window in the TWRP recovery, but lvm isn't found. | 17:40 |
| TheOnlyBouncer | Mister_Magister, ah nice, anything i can help with? | 17:41 |
| Mister_Magister | TheOnlyBouncer: yeah you can donate some money https://gogetfunding.com/sailfishos-for-huawei-p8-lite/ | 17:42 |
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| TheOnlyBouncer | Mister_Magister, i rather do the work to be honest | 17:52 |
| Mister_Magister | do whatever you want ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ One device less for me (4 devices in plans instead of 5) | 17:52 |
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| TheOnlyBouncer | I can at least spend a weekend and make a start on it | 17:58 |
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| Mister_Magister | well it will not be easy | 18:00 |
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| TheOnlyBouncer | i found a cyanogenmod image that supports most things, the porting guide looks quite straight forward | 18:02 |
| TheOnlyBouncer | i am sure it is not as easy as it seems though | 18:02 |
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| r0kk3rz | yeah that phone is a bit of a leap into the dark, im not sure we've done a port on a kirin processor before | 18:03 |
| * stephg general rage | 18:06 | |
| * stephg rarara etc | 18:06 | |
| r0kk3rz | stephg: fite da powa! | 18:07 |
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| stephg | r0kk3rz: :D | 18:08 |
| TheOnlyBouncer | r0kk3rz, well only one way to find out | 18:08 |
| TheOnlyBouncer | if i end up with just some initial findings, its at least something :) | 18:09 |
| TheOnlyBouncer | might just throw money if i get stuck anyway | 18:10 |
| r0kk3rz | TheOnlyBouncer: indeed you can only try, so good luck! let us know when you get stuck :) | 18:11 |
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| TheOnlyBouncer | r0kk3rz, will do, thanks :) | 18:12 |
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| thewisenerd | piggz, would you happen to remember where/what service minimedia is defined? | 18:30 |
| thewisenerd | can't seem to find that for gstreamer | 18:30 |
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| mal | external/droidmedia | 18:31 |
| thewisenerd | rpm/dhd/helpers/pack_source_droidmedia-localbuild.sh $DROIDMEDIA_VERSION also fails saying "build as per said in hadk" | 18:31 |
| Mister_Magister | TheOnlyBouncer: r0kk3rz first of all yeah you have cm source but it isn't that easy. P8 lite have many custom things. IIRC ghosalmartin ported for p9 but didn't do anything more than gui | 18:31 |
| Mister_Magister | i didn't even go to gui | 18:31 |
| Mister_Magister | because it needs debugging | 18:31 |
| mal | thewisenerd: are you sure you build the correct things in HABUILD_SDK | 18:32 |
| mal | or where ever you build the android side stuff | 18:32 |
| thewisenerd | ,,, i guess :p | 18:32 |
| thewisenerd | lemme try again | 18:32 |
| thewisenerd | i cound't find that service defined in system/core/* though | 18:33 |
| mal | because it's not there | 18:33 |
| mal | it's in external/droidmedia | 18:33 |
| thewisenerd | but but where's the service defined? :| | 18:33 |
| thewisenerd | the one that goes into an .rc file | 18:34 |
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| T4 | <@adampigg> Servicemanager.rc in 14.1, init.rc.otherwise | 18:58 |
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