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| MeowDude | you know... a guy could make a killing buying 30$ kindle fire hd tablets and selling them for 60$ as cheap android 6.0 tablets | 07:57 |
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| MeowDude | fug I might just try and get my cm13 base build to boot | 08:10 |
| MeowDude | because no one here including myself can figure out what is wonked with the cm11 base | 08:10 |
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| MeowDude | jesus the dmesg for my cm13 base is so bad... "cannot find fstab.manta" "unable to find droid-hybris/..." | 08:23 |
| MeowDude | might have something to do with it failing to mount /userdata at flash | 08:23 |
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| MeowDude | hm... fixup mountpoints for tilapia and grouper are different despite them basically being the same device... | 08:35 |
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| muppis | :/ | 08:41 |
| MeowDude | muppis: what is wrong? | 08:46 |
| muppis | MeowDude, just a comment to yours struggle. | 08:47 |
| r0kk3rz | its mostly a struggle of his own making :) | 08:48 |
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| MeowDude | well I don't understand why it refuses to mount /userdata when I am flashing it | 08:49 |
| MeowDude | it says "device or resource busy" | 08:50 |
| MeowDude | oh well what are you gonna do? | 08:50 |
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| r0kk3rz | thats possibly benign | 08:51 |
| r0kk3rz | does the same on my tablet | 08:51 |
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| r0kk3rz | so long as the script doesnt abort it might be ok | 08:51 |
| sledges | PSA: Sailfish OS community collaboration @ #mer-meeting starting just under 10mins | 08:52 |
| MeowDude | sledges!!! | 08:52 |
| sledges | delaya73_: added as per your request https://build.merproject.org/project/show/nemo:devel:hw:oneplus:oneplus3 | 08:55 |
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| sledges | MeowDude: please ping krnlyng_ on exynos/graphics questions if you already exhausted all what mal and/or vakkov_ asked you to | 08:56 |
| MeowDude | thanks | 08:56 |
| MeowDude | krnlyng_: ping | 08:56 |
| piggz | gm sledges | 08:57 |
| piggz | and r0kk3rz, * | 08:57 |
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| MeowDude | jesus CONFIG_AUDIT wasn't set in my defconfig for cm13 base... it wasn't even in the defconfig... | 08:57 |
| krnlyng_ | MeowDude, pong | 08:58 |
| MeowDude | hey | 08:58 |
| MeowDude | so you can help with exynos+Mali troubles? | 08:58 |
| delaya73_ | sledges: Thanks! | 08:58 |
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| MeowDude | because the Nexus 10 is double trouble. I got my CM11 based build to boot but most all apps fail with segmentation fault (including jolla-startupwizard, hence why I am stuck at lockscreen) | 08:59 |
| krnlyng_ | MeowDude, logs? | 09:00 |
| MeowDude | which ones do you need? | 09:01 |
| MeowDude | I straced jolla-startupwizard | 09:01 |
| krnlyng_ | logcat and strace | 09:01 |
| MeowDude | give me a sec | 09:01 |
| MeowDude | strace for nnow: https://pastebin.com/2LnBXuhV | 09:02 |
| MeowDude | Give me a moinute to grab init.log | 09:02 |
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| krnlyng_ | MeowDude, use strace -f | 09:05 |
| MeowDude | got it, give me a bit, reflashing my cm11 base + rootf | 09:06 |
| MeowDude | roots* | 09:06 |
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| MeowDude | krnlyng_: is there a pastbin alteernative that lets me paste something over 512kb? | 09:17 |
| MeowDude | this fugging max size stuff makes me really angery | 09:17 |
| r0kk3rz | 512kb is quite large... | 09:18 |
| MeowDude | its a massive log | 09:20 |
| MeowDude | I ran strace -f /usr/bin/jolla-startupwizard | 09:20 |
| MeowDude | jesus christ I might never buy another RPi | 09:21 |
| MeowDude | I know it's cheap but fug its so slow | 09:21 |
| vakkov_ | MeowDude: https://paste.ee/ | 09:24 |
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| vakkov_ | seems to have a limit up to 1MB but will expire unfortunately :( | 09:25 |
| MeowDude | krnlyng_: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/8c52bd4cb15ab963c62aca4a514ec100 | 09:25 |
| MeowDude | wew it was hard to find a service that let me paste that hefty log | 09:25 |
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| krnlyng_ | MeowDude, is it possible that the last part is missing? | 09:29 |
| MeowDude | krnlyng_: you have to click "view the full file" it is above the paste | 09:32 |
| MeowDude | the part that says "this has been truncated, yadda yadda yadda", you'll see it.. | 09:33 |
| krnlyng_ | MeowDude, this seems suspicious: [pid 1704] writev(42, [{"\3", 1}, {"mali_winsys\0", 12}, {"new_window_surface returns 0x300"..., 34}], 3) = 47 | 09:33 |
| krnlyng_ | MeowDude, do you have logcat? | 09:34 |
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| MeowDude | krnlyng_ how do I grab one? | 09:53 |
| MeowDude | sorry I was eating dinner | 09:53 |
| krnlyng_ | MeowDude, /usr/libexec/droid-hybris/system/bin/logcat | 09:53 |
| MeowDude | got it | 09:54 |
| rltyseven | I accidentally uninstalled the running kernel.........Fuck....... | 09:54 |
| MeowDude | give me a minute | 09:54 |
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| MeowDude | rltyseven: how does one do that? | 09:54 |
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| stephg | rltyseven: reinstall it then :) | 09:55 |
| rltyseven | I upgraded the kernel, and then there was an old kernel, I removed the current kernel. | 09:55 |
| rltyseven | stephg: MeowDude: Next time I should restart and then uninstall. | 09:58 |
| vakkov_ | #longest #logcat #ever :D i am quite interested into that issue, cmon MeowDude | 09:59 |
| rltyseven | Fortunately, not much problem...... | 09:59 |
| MeowDude | wait | 09:59 |
| MeowDude | krnlyng_:https://pastebin.com/7gX41A3A | 10:00 |
| MeowDude | as you can see, gralloc is goofed | 10:00 |
| MeowDude | it is overly clear | 10:00 |
| MeowDude | I removed a bunch of duplicate lines so I could paste it too | 10:00 |
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| MeowDude | line 2660 is when I tried running "/usr/bin/jolla-startupwizard" again | 10:01 |
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| r0kk3rz | krnlyng_: btw this is without mali_quirks enabled, right MeowDude? | 10:05 |
| MeowDude | nah its the same whether its on or on | 10:05 |
| r0kk3rz | yes, but which do you have now | 10:05 |
| MeowDude | and looking at the log I am 100% sure it is on in this build | 10:05 |
| MeowDude | line 282 is proof | 10:06 |
| MeowDude | I am on my latest build | 10:06 |
| MeowDude | so I assume it is one, and I doubt it is making much difference, whether off or on, nothing seems to change. either way everything segfaults | 10:06 |
| r0kk3rz | sure, but it helps to be specific | 10:07 |
| r0kk3rz | even if you think it doesnt matter, you're probably wrong anyway | 10:07 |
| MeowDude | *shrugs* | 10:07 |
| MeowDude | is there a way I can check real quick? | 10:07 |
| MeowDude | from the device via ssh | 10:07 |
| r0kk3rz | not sure, you can check your build tree though | 10:08 |
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| MeowDude | Ima take a real quick shower | 10:11 |
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| vakkov_ | mal: do you have the patches somewhere (github?) | 10:19 |
| mal | vakkov_: https://github.com/mlehtima/libhybris-1/commits/opencl I think I'll implement also some of the extensions before making the PR | 10:20 |
| vakkov_ | mal: i noticed that they have some kind of support on freedreno but haven't read about it yet; do you know something about that | 10:22 |
| mal | probably, this is just for libhybris since no device supports freedreno out of the box | 10:22 |
| mal | *includes | 10:23 |
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| MeowDude | I am back | 10:35 |
| MeowDude | krnlyng_ any ideas as to what to fix? | 10:35 |
| r0kk3rz | vakkov_: iirc freedreno requires mainline kernel... | 10:36 |
| krnlyng_ | MeowDude, try figuring out where those gralloc handles and the error i mentioned come from | 10:37 |
| MeowDude | how would I do that | 10:38 |
| krnlyng_ | MeowDude, checking code, binaries and stuff | 10:38 |
| MeowDude | I see | 10:38 |
| MeowDude | I will uh... do this | 10:38 |
| krnlyng_ | MeowDude, also try hybris tracing/debugging | 10:38 |
| MeowDude | yes | 10:38 |
| MeowDude | *thumbs up* | 10:38 |
| krnlyng_ | MeowDude, i would try that first even | 10:38 |
| MeowDude | yes | 10:39 |
| krnlyng_ | MeowDude, maybe there is just some query missing | 10:39 |
| MeowDude | I will run um.. trace.. mali... sys... Ill figure it out | 10:39 |
| krnlyng_ | HYBRIS_TRACE=1 HYBRIS_LOGGING_LEVEL=debug command | 10:39 |
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| MeowDude | so: "HYBRIS_TRACE=1" then "HYBRIS_LOGGING_LEVEL=/usr/bin/jolla-startupwizard" | 10:40 |
| MeowDude | I am an extremely inexperienced dev | 10:40 |
| krnlyng_ | MeowDude, in one line | 10:41 |
| krnlyng_ | with spaces in between | 10:41 |
| MeowDude | nothing changed | 10:43 |
| MeowDude | same output with strace | 10:43 |
| sledges | HYBRIS_TRACE=1 HYBRIS_LOGGING_LEVEL=debug /usr/bin/jolla-startupwizard | 10:44 |
| MeowDude | oh I see... thank you | 10:44 |
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| MeowDude | https://pastebin.com/1fvvZ7Xf | 10:48 |
| MeowDude | I am peeping the log now, but figured I would share it | 10:48 |
| mal | MeowDude: do not run as root | 10:48 |
| sledges | not root | 10:48 |
| MeowDude | yeah I noticed everything missing... | 10:48 |
| MeowDude | my bad | 10:49 |
| MeowDude | https://gist.github.com/anonymous/ec1b9c99ed16bbbe8202911dc924273d | 10:53 |
| MeowDude | remember to hit "view full file" | 10:53 |
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| MeowDude | so what I have grasped is that it needs buffers, but none are free | 10:55 |
| MeowDude | :/ | 10:57 |
| MeowDude | Ill run grep wayland-platform and see if I can stop it so buffer is free | 11:01 |
| M4rtinK | a simple/newbie question - how different is the Xperia X and Xperia X Compact hardware ? | 11:01 |
| MeowDude | a simple gsm arena search for both devices would answer that | 11:01 |
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| r0kk3rz | M4rtinK: screen aside, not very | 11:03 |
| MeowDude | r0kk3rs: how do I stop wayland-platform | 11:03 |
| r0kk3rz | M4rtinK: stephg built the xperia x adaptation for the XC and it JustWorkedTM | 11:03 |
| M4rtinK | yeah, from just looking at the spec sheets it seems the main (only ?) difference is screen resolution and USB-C instead of micro-USB | 11:04 |
| MeowDude | how much is an XC? | 11:05 |
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| flynn | hi | 11:06 |
| MeowDude | hi | 11:06 |
| flynn | I have read in few places that sailfish os is true linux os, does that mean we can install softwares meant for linux on sailfish os? | 11:07 |
| r0kk3rz | flynn: more or less, yeah | 11:07 |
| MeowDude | no not really | 11:08 |
| MeowDude | mostly less | 11:08 |
| MeowDude | When you actually try to it just failes | 11:08 |
| flynn | oh ok. Then why is it called true linux os? | 11:08 |
| r0kk3rz | MeowDude: maybe for you :P | 11:09 |
| MeowDude | I don't know | 11:09 |
| MeowDude | why use it because of that? | 11:09 |
| r0kk3rz | because thats like, the whole point | 11:09 |
| MeowDude | seems like a dumb reason. It's like only using something because its FOSS | 11:09 |
| r0kk3rz | some people do that | 11:09 |
| MeowDude | maybe for you, I use it because it is fast, lightweight, intuitive and fun to use, and all around god tier in aesthetic | 11:09 |
| sledges | flynn: one of the "usages" of a linux mobile phone :D https://twitter.com/nieldk/status/910817446377992193 | 11:10 |
| r0kk3rz | flynn: sailfish has a gnu based userspace unlike android | 11:10 |
| MeowDude | I am a firm believer that FOSS=/=quality just right off the bat | 11:10 |
| flynn | and linux has large software base also | 11:10 |
| r0kk3rz | flynn: the problem is 'linux' isnt an os... its a loose collection of all kinds of things | 11:11 |
| sledges | people are asking if they can run `mc` in their sailfishos device; yes https://build.merproject.org/package/show/home:nielnielsen/mc | 11:11 |
| r0kk3rz | flynn: a main hurdle for GUI linux apps is touch support and wayland support | 11:11 |
| MeowDude | I mean, you can run traditional linux commands in terminal | 11:11 |
| MeowDude | and do basic linux things | 11:12 |
| MeowDude | but trying to install a spotify .deb or .rpm file meant for a linux machine won't work, even if it is arm based | 11:12 |
| r0kk3rz | MeowDude: you arent helping | 11:12 |
| MeowDude | at least in my experience | 11:12 |
| flynn | ok. I get it now | 11:12 |
| MeowDude | what are we trying to help with? | 11:12 |
| r0kk3rz | im trying to explain something, and you're confusing things :) | 11:12 |
| flynn | nvm MeowDude, I got the answer. | 11:13 |
| sledges | MeowDude: can you install a debian's .deb inside ubuntu and expect c library and other things to just work? | 11:13 |
| MeowDude | Nah not really... not with most packages at least... | 11:13 |
| sledges | sfos is rpm based, and installing opensuse's arm rpm's won't work either | 11:13 |
| MeowDude | I'm just relaying my limitted experiences | 11:13 |
| sledges | needs rebuilding against sfos, just like OBS does ^^ | 11:14 |
| MeowDude | yeah I figured that out fast... my dreams of running a free spotify natively are dead... | 11:14 |
| flynn | What are mer derivatives actually? | 11:14 |
| flynn | I saw ubuntu touch is not a mer derivative | 11:14 |
| r0kk3rz | MeowDude: blame spotify for that | 11:14 |
| r0kk3rz | MeowDude: a spotify employee wrote a lovely looking sailfish os client, and they didnt let him release it | 11:14 |
| M4rtinK | installing random deb/rpm is not a good example - specific package versions are often tied to distro versions even on desktop | 11:15 |
| MeowDude | I do, trust me. I don't see why they refuse to allow a third party to create a native app that allows usage of free accounts (or even let me use webplayer with any browser) | 11:15 |
| flynn | wow why did spotify do that? | 11:15 |
| M4rtinK | so a Fedora F27 package might not work on Fedora 25 as the libs are too old, etc. | 11:15 |
| MeowDude | r0kk3rs: I don't understand why, more ad revenue and shit, why the fuck would spotify, a failing company, not want more users? this guy made this app for free | 11:16 |
| M4rtinK | flynn: that's hardly an exception - many services are actively hostile against third party clients (Whatsapp & co) | 11:16 |
| r0kk3rz | MeowDude: indeed, so imo stop giving them money | 11:16 |
| MeowDude | its so frustrating | 11:16 |
| MeowDude | I use a free account | 11:16 |
| r0kk3rz | stop listening to their ads then | 11:16 |
| MeowDude | and use a modded apk on my tablet thatblocks ads and adds many premium features | 11:16 |
| MeowDude | I block the ads | 11:17 |
| r0kk3rz | anyway, thats not the point | 11:17 |
| MeowDude | they can suck it | 11:17 |
| MeowDude | just like myriad can suck it | 11:17 |
| MeowDude | just let me buy alien dalvik!!! | 11:17 |
| M4rtinK | as for cross distro compatible package - things should generally improve with Flatpack | 11:17 |
| r0kk3rz | i dont think thats the fault of myriad | 11:17 |
| flynn | then you will lose a good service if everyone does it like this | 11:17 |
| r0kk3rz | until recently Jolla hasn't been able to handle that | 11:17 |
| r0kk3rz | now, they actually might do it | 11:17 |
| MeowDude | I already emailed myriad, a paid rpm file on the jolla store would be PERFECT for many reasons | 11:18 |
| M4rtinK | actually, there should not be anything blocking Flatpack apps running on Sailfish OS as long as their runtime can be build | 11:18 |
| MeowDude | A: port users could buy it, and B: they could update it from the store meaning Jolla 1 users won't be stuck with alien dalvik based on Android 4.1 | 11:18 |
| r0kk3rz | flynn: obviously boycotts dont work very well :) | 11:18 |
| MeowDude | I would pay 10$ for an alien dalvik rpm and I am sure many others would too | 11:19 |
| M4rtinK | MeowDude: I'm afraid the android runtime is not self-contained enough for that | 11:19 |
| r0kk3rz | it would be more like €50 | 11:19 |
| r0kk3rz | but they might do that | 11:19 |
| vakkov_ | MeowDude: alien dalvik is tied to the HW of the device; stop talking shit... you cant just put a paid rpm in the store cause it's only going to work on the device it was written for | 11:19 |
| M4rtinK | past discussions with Jolla indicate it depends on stuff provided by kernel & drivers and requires per device porting | 11:19 |
| M4rtinK | what vakkov_ says | 11:20 |
| flynn | yes and once ported, it would be available for all | 11:20 |
| r0kk3rz | it will need to be adapted by the porter sure | 11:20 |
| flynn | and that is a worry | 11:20 |
| vakkov_ | exactly .. you don't need to discuss it with jolla; just check the files (did it 2 years ago before i disappeared from those chats :D) | 11:20 |
| vakkov_ | and krnlyng recently reminded me of this fact | 11:20 |
| r0kk3rz | MeowDude: unfortunately the world is a lot more complicated than you realise right now :) | 11:21 |
| MeowDude | vakkov_: I am sure there is a way for the Jolla store to see which device you are using and to allow you to download the appropriate package | 11:21 |
| flynn | or atleast it would be good if some application to convert android bytecode to linux bytecode (along with dependencies) | 11:21 |
| M4rtinK | MeowDude: sure, but someone from Jolla needs to port it for the device first | 11:22 |
| MeowDude | alien dalvik can be ran on most all ported devices with a bit of tweaking with the rpm and platform file | 11:22 |
| r0kk3rz | 'most all' lol... not quite | 11:22 |
| r0kk3rz | i think you mean 'a very select few' | 11:22 |
| vakkov_ | MeowDude: quite probable; i think they were installing "android support" from the store (on the original jolla); yet again how exactly are you seeing myriad porting dalvik for our crappy implementations? | 11:22 |
| MeowDude | I've seen it ran on all nexus devices and heard of it ran on the OPO and OPX | 11:22 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah, a select few | 11:23 |
| MeowDude | I was more thinking myriad lets us port it for them and they get all the money... I don't know... I'll try and think up a system in which myriad gets money for our work and in return we get to use alien dalvik stress free on port devices | 11:23 |
| vakkov_ | interesting how it runs on all ported device when I have seen it only run on the intel-based tablet and the qualcomm based jollas and the first nexus that got ported by this community was mine and beidl's and it is a TI omap-based | 11:23 |
| flynn | where you saw it meowdude? | 11:23 |
| r0kk3rz | flynn: there was a thread on tmo about it | 11:24 |
| MeowDude | r0kk3rs: what is different about the Nexus devices and all the others port devices? | 11:24 |
| r0kk3rz | lots, obviously | 11:24 |
| MeowDude | vakkov_: I have seen it ran on the 2012 Nexus 7, the Nexus 4, the Nexus 5, the Nexus 7 2013, and heard of it on the OPO and OPX | 11:24 |
| flynn | ok, I will try to check the thread | 11:24 |
| T4 | <adampigg> And mido ;) | 11:25 |
| r0kk3rz | anyway, theres no point arguing with you since obviously you know best | 11:25 |
| flynn | mido also? | 11:25 |
| vakkov_ | nexus 7 2012 is tegra3-based; no chance that it has run there; look this is a really dumb discussion :D | 11:25 |
| MeowDude | r0kk3rs: I meant big things, the N7 2012 has a tegra 3, the N4 N5 an N7 2013 all have SD SoCs, I feel like more device support is possible on the same types of proccessors | 11:25 |
| r0kk3rz | i wish it were that simple | 11:26 |
| r0kk3rz | things would be a lot easier | 11:27 |
| MeowDude | r0kk3rs: what a canned response. I can show you videos of alien dalvik on these devices, my point is that the same general instructions for getting it to run on the Nexus devices could probably be applied to non nexus devices, and afaik, it just involves modifying the platform_extraenvsetup.sh file | 11:27 |
| r0kk3rz | then why isnt everyone doing it? | 11:27 |
| r0kk3rz | that news has been around for over a year | 11:27 |
| MeowDude | I don't think simply saying "nope only nexus devices and Jolla devices can run it, it'd be near impossible to run alien dalvik on other devices" because the Nexus devices were port devices too, and besides the "Nexus brand" they are pretty generic devices | 11:28 |
| r0kk3rz | there is no such thing as a generic android device | 11:28 |
| flynn | MeowDude: why dont you try to rip it off sony jolla device? | 11:28 |
| MeowDude | I don't know... but from my endless peeping for alien dalvik ports, I have yet to see any hints of people trying | 11:28 |
| r0kk3rz | why do you think we have to do device specific ports? | 11:28 |
| vakkov_ | krnlyng :D :D :D hope you are reading this :D | 11:29 |
| MeowDude | because the hardware is different, but I doubt alien dalvik is built for a single device in mind, if so, how come a single rpm has been able to run on all these different ports? | 11:29 |
| vakkov_ | meowdude: it was also running on n950/n9; they have probably modified the some android-realted script there as well :D | 11:29 |
| vakkov_ | we are not saying | 11:30 |
| vakkov_ | that it was built for a single device, omg .. | 11:30 |
| MeowDude | probably | 11:30 |
| r0kk3rz | MeowDude: it wasnt a single rpm, it was at least two | 11:30 |
| MeowDude | well then what are you saying | 11:30 |
| MeowDude | r0kk3rs: I only ever see the one N4 rpm from the maemo talk thread used | 11:30 |
| MeowDude | and it has been shown to work for fact on the 2013 N7 and N5, I don't know about the 2012 N7 though, I have just seen android apps on it | 11:31 |
| r0kk3rz | and with xperia x its now three | 11:31 |
| MeowDude | they used the N4 rpm on the xperia x? | 11:31 |
| r0kk3rz | no they didnt | 11:31 |
| vakkov_ | we are saying that the binaries that we have for it are built for a specific hardware and that myriad's business model does not involve rebuilding it for buggy community ports :) and that you are paying them by buying a device | 11:31 |
| vakkov_ | with it preinstalled on that device; | 11:31 |
| MeowDude | I wish they would just sell me an alien dalvik 2.0 rpm for 20$ so I can fiddle with it | 11:31 |
| vakkov_ | and this .rpm is going to be built for $which device | 11:32 |
| MeowDude | I don't wanna buy a Jolla phone or an aqua fish... I am not a fan of Jolla hardware | 11:32 |
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| flynn | MeowDude : you can fiddle with anbox | 11:32 |
| r0kk3rz | like i said €50 not $20 aud... | 11:32 |
| MeowDude | I don't know. I see this (https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=98800) rpm used, and only this one for ports | 11:33 |
| MeowDude | is anbox working? | 11:33 |
| flynn | MeowDude: yes jolla phones are quite low spec. | 11:33 |
| MeowDude | if so I want a link | 11:33 |
| MeowDude | now | 11:33 |
| MeowDude | its not even the specs, its the desing | 11:33 |
| vakkov_ | MeowDude: anyway; when are you going to sleep today cause I can't check your logs now but i would like to later today | 11:33 |
| vakkov_ | i am talking about your port ^ | 11:33 |
| MeowDude | I get a 5" screen on a device that is atleast 5.5" tall, I hate using big phones and if its big I don't want that much chin and forehead | 11:33 |
| flynn | Anbox should work as I have seen in anbox's webpage or their github page | 11:34 |
| MeowDude | I will probably sleep in 2 hours | 11:34 |
| MeowDude | I hate living on australian time | 11:34 |
| MeowDude | speaking of large devices I hope my OPO gets here tommorow | 11:34 |
| flynn | but it needs to be ported to specific platform. Join Anbox telegram group for more info if you like. | 11:35 |
| MeowDude | how easy is it to port | 11:35 |
| r0kk3rz | its not ready yet | 11:35 |
| flynn | answer to that question always depends upon how skilled are you | 11:36 |
| T4 | <adampigg> #sfdroid is where anbox for sfos is worked on | 11:36 |
| MeowDude | well I have few skills | 11:36 |
| MeowDude | :/ | 11:36 |
| MeowDude | if I had real skill I would not be here whining for help every night(day?) | 11:36 |
| flynn | Anyway, does spectre affect sfos devices? | 11:37 |
| MeowDude | what is spectre? | 11:37 |
| r0kk3rz | as much as it affects ARM devices sure | 11:37 |
| flynn | meltdown and spectre never heard? | 11:37 |
| MeowDude | wait is it that stupid arm device hack | 11:37 |
| MeowDude | I am not worried. | 11:38 |
| flynn | no its intel device hack | 11:38 |
| flynn | but spectre is for all devices | 11:38 |
| flynn | so does it affect sfos and will it be patched? | 11:38 |
| MeowDude | please debrief me on it, I skim read the article | 11:38 |
| r0kk3rz | MeowDude: dont be lazy, theres plenty of articles to read | 11:39 |
| MeowDude | probably not soon, if you haven't noticed sfos updates aren't exactly instant | 11:39 |
| flynn | duck duck go is your friend mewodude. ask him. | 11:39 |
| MeowDude | this is espescially so on port devices | 11:39 |
| MeowDude | or the king of searches: bing | 11:39 |
| flynn | yes, bing also follows to your washroom. | 11:40 |
| MeowDude | I thought that was google | 11:40 |
| flynn | :p | 11:40 |
| MeowDude | *sweating* there is no escape | 11:40 |
| flynn | both are similar :p so you ride on duck | 11:40 |
| MeowDude | then again bing can see my disgusting searches if they want. I hope they go to jail for seeing the things I see | 11:40 |
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| r0kk3rz | ive started using quant, its EU based and not a google wrapper | 11:41 |
| sledges | phones with much forehead and especial chin do prevent you from generating touches with your palm, or developing arthritis if you try to strain your thumb to avoid palm-touch | 11:41 |
| r0kk3rz | sorry, qwant | 11:41 |
| MeowDude | I will google that | 11:41 |
| flynn | well no one will know they saw your searches | 11:41 |
| flynn | only advertisers will know | 11:42 |
| MeowDude | I hope I don't get ads for the things I look up | 11:42 |
| MeowDude | that'd be spooky | 11:42 |
| MeowDude | and scary too.. | 11:42 |
| MeowDude | qwant is french | 11:42 |
| flynn | you always get ads for things you look | 11:42 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah... we dont want to know | 11:42 |
| MeowDude | I would not share. | 11:43 |
| r0kk3rz | good, please dont | 11:43 |
| MeowDude | also why french >:( | 11:43 |
| MeowDude | oh well duck duck go works | 11:43 |
| flynn | use duck duck go, it is also on onion | 11:43 |
| MeowDude | bing is just so accurate at what I want to search.. I look up an article, boom first result | 11:44 |
| r0kk3rz | whats wrong with french? | 11:44 |
| MeowDude | my rule of thumb for SEs is: Google for popular results, Bing for accurate results | 11:44 |
| MeowDude | I don't speak french | 11:44 |
| MeowDude | I speak a wee bit of spanish | 11:44 |
| r0kk3rz | it does english too | 11:44 |
| MeowDude | oh yeah I see | 11:45 |
| r0kk3rz | but it probably defaults to french, because france | 11:45 |
| flynn | well I have seen in an article that alien dalvik is unique not like anbox or similar things | 11:46 |
| MeowDude | I don't mean to bash, but what is special about france? everyone loves on paris but paris is a pretty trash city to be honest, besides the rusty tower in the center, its just like any other big city. lots of people, lots of garbage | 11:46 |
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| flynn | alien dalvik runs underlying android things and not in a virtualbox like anbox | 11:46 |
| flynn | is it true? | 11:46 |
| MeowDude | I want a youyota tablet but I don't think they are ever going to ship them | 11:46 |
| r0kk3rz | special? idk its just another european country to me | 11:47 |
| MeowDude | I have no idea how alien dalvik works, iirc its just dalvik and all the bare bones android dependencies in a neat little package | 11:47 |
| flynn | no running in a virtual box is different that running near native | 11:48 |
| MeowDude | in America everyone thinks french people are culttured and shit and they think Brits are all fancy. Its the opposite. In my experiences Brits are a bunch of drunks and french are slobs. | 11:48 |
| MeowDude | not saying americans are much better though... | 11:48 |
| r0kk3rz | alien-dalvik isnt even dalvik, its a myriad developed dalvik engine | 11:48 |
| r0kk3rz | MeowDude: be mindful of where you are talking | 11:48 |
| r0kk3rz | theres lots of europeans around here | 11:49 |
| MeowDude | europe britain, yeah yeah this is a euro irc | 11:49 |
| abranson | the special bit about aliendalvik is the integration | 11:49 |
| MeowDude | meh I would like to think that as an american I get a free pass, we get trashed on the most everywhere. I am surprised at the lack of american bashing here, cleanest place online. | 11:49 |
| r0kk3rz | but im sure everyone can sling american stereotypes at you :) | 11:49 |
| MeowDude | oh yes and they are most likely true | 11:50 |
| MeowDude | people are quite spot on with american sterotypes | 11:50 |
| MeowDude | at least in the south | 11:50 |
| r0kk3rz | we are nice to americans because the few that venture here are generally polite people | 11:50 |
| MeowDude | they must be from... not south... | 11:50 |
| MeowDude | any news on the youyota tablet? how long has it been in production | 11:51 |
| r0kk3rz | read the thread on tmo | 11:51 |
| MeowDude | I think it is dead | 11:52 |
| MeowDude | yet another reason to never back anything | 11:52 |
| flynn | <MeowDude> you must be from south | 11:52 |
| flynn | :p | 11:52 |
| MeowDude | yes, the best part, Texas | 11:53 |
| MeowDude | the best state in the best country | 11:53 |
| r0kk3rz | dead? | 11:53 |
| MeowDude | then again many disagree with me on that.. yeah the last news on it was back in march of 2017 | 11:53 |
| MeowDude | >neochapay | 11:53 |
| flynn | please dont go around on irc talking like this and briging us bad name everywhere!! | 11:53 |
| r0kk3rz | eh, you must be looking at the wrong thread | 11:53 |
| flynn | MeowDude | 11:53 |
| MeowDude | I will find him and I will get him to speak to me!! | 11:53 |
| abranson | now I'm only going to be able to read your comments in a Texan accent | 11:53 |
| r0kk3rz | MeowDude: howdy pardner | 11:54 |
| MeowDude | I do have a texas accent, which is odd since very few texans have a texan accent in my experience | 11:54 |
| sledges | another porter from the US: https://twitter.com/JShafer817 | 11:54 |
| MeowDude | Why are there so few US sfos porters... | 11:54 |
| flynn | well sfos is mainly from asia so you would not find much americans | 11:55 |
| flynn | asia and europe | 11:55 |
| r0kk3rz | idk, maybe americans are happy with american things like android and ios | 11:55 |
| abranson | i think it's mainly from finland ;) | 11:55 |
| flynn | yes and also happy with being tracked everywhere :p | 11:56 |
| r0kk3rz | you cant really escape that, but thats another discussion | 11:56 |
| flynn | yes but SAARC or something adopted sfos to promote it some time ago | 11:56 |
| flynn | well tor can escape that! | 11:57 |
| sledges | flynn: sfos is mainly from asia :D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pEipApD7w0 | 11:59 |
| abranson | r0kk3rz: there are different types of tracking | 12:00 |
| abranson | yes your phone can be followed around, but that's not the same as handing all your personal data over to an advertising company so they can mine it for way to sell you more stuff | 12:00 |
| r0kk3rz | like i said, thats another discussion | 12:01 |
| MeowDude | americans just don't care about being tracked | 12:04 |
| abranson | aside from tracking, they also don't mind being locked into a single vendor's products | 12:04 |
| MeowDude | you have to look at it from our perspective | 12:04 |
| MeowDude | no we mind | 12:04 |
| MeowDude | we are just too lazy to do anything about it | 12:04 |
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| abranson | that's hopeful. people can decide they've had enough and change their minds | 12:05 |
| abranson | i think we see people doing that all the time, and looking for things like sfos | 12:05 |
| MeowDude | I don't use sfos for privacy | 12:07 |
| MeowDude | I just hate how AOSP and iOS are going with this all-white UI bullshit | 12:07 |
| MeowDude | and I hate how the mainstream is eating up this retina burning eye blinding and frankly lazy design | 12:07 |
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| MeowDude | I am going to sleep so that when my dog wakes me up at 6AM it isn't as horrible as it is when I stay up to midnight | 12:10 |
| MeowDude | cheers to a good sleep tonight lads, good night. | 12:10 |
| sledges | n!n | 12:10 |
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| mal | sledges: ping | 12:34 |
| vakkov_ | how well is this sailfish X program selling | 12:36 |
| sledges | mal: pong | 12:37 |
| mal | sledges: just asking for your opinion about the vibrator middleware issue, the introduction of the new native version broke build_packages.sh and now we have two options, continue using the droid version on for build of only that or move to the native version which communicates directly with the kernel interface and not via android side, the first option is easier but the latter one would be nicer | 12:41 |
| mal | but would require changes to droid-hal-device, droid-hal-configs and droid-hal-version submodules | 12:41 |
| mal | sledges: jusa thought the native version might be better | 12:41 |
| sledges | didn't native vibra require patched kernel or some caps enabled at least? | 12:41 |
| mal | sledges: no, afaik it just uses the timed_output directly | 12:43 |
| mal | sledges: the native vibra is different from memless | 12:43 |
| sledges | k | 12:45 |
| mal | sledges: as you can see here it's very simple https://github.com/mer-hybris/ngfd-plugin-droid-vibrator/blob/master/src/native.c | 12:46 |
| sledges | if it won't break existing ports and jusa would say that it's also safe for all future official and unofficial ports, let's make changes in all the submodules then (as i think jusa only did this per-device internally for now) | 12:52 |
| mal | sledges: it would break those if people update submodules and/or make local builds | 12:53 |
| sledges | mal: i mean, if switching to native vibra won't stop vibra from working | 12:54 |
| sledges | on certain platforms | 12:54 |
| mal | it shouldn't, android does exactly the same thing but now we would just skip the android side library for the vibra | 12:55 |
| vakkov_ | as we should for everything :D :D :D | 12:56 |
| mal | unless there are some permission issues, maybe jusa can tell if those could be possible? | 12:56 |
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| flynn | hi, I think i found the like which MeowDude was talking about https://talk.maemo.org/archive/index.php/t-98800.html | 13:05 |
| flynn | this shows how to run alien dalvik on ported device | 13:05 |
| r0kk3rz | flynn: yeah, and thats going to be hit n miss | 13:08 |
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| flynn_ | yeah but many people reporting its working. | 13:11 |
| flynn_ | anyone here tried that? | 13:11 |
| flynn_ | r0kk3rz: yes but anyone here tried that? | 13:12 |
| flynn_ | or did you try it! | 13:13 |
| r0kk3rz | i havent | 13:13 |
| flynn_ | ok. | 13:15 |
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| T4 | <adampigg> Mal, is native better than memless? | 13:50 |
| r0kk3rz | piggz: maybe better in that you dont need to port the ffmemless driver | 13:51 |
| T4 | <adampigg> Better as in fetures? | 13:51 |
| elros | it's the same as droid just without wrapper | 13:51 |
| T4 | <adampigg> So, no extra features, but thinner layer? | 13:53 |
| elros | yes, https://github.com/mer-hybris/ngfd-plugin-droid-vibrator/blob/master/src/native.c | 13:54 |
| mal | @adampigg yes, feature-wise it's the same as droid version, just directly using the same kernel interface instead of going through android side | 13:54 |
| T4 | <adampigg> Yeah, reading the code, it looks nice and simple | 13:54 |
| T4 | <adampigg> Might switch to it | 13:55 |
| T4 | <adampigg> Abranson, what goodies you working on? | 14:00 |
| abranson | getting cameras working | 14:00 |
| T4 | <adampigg> On? | 14:01 |
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| T4 | <adampigg> r0kk3rz: you need to mimic mal, and get better at interacting with telegram users ;) | 14:25 |
| r0kk3rz | that would involve me recognising telegram users :) | 14:28 |
| mal | r0kk3rz: that should be easy | 14:31 |
| r0kk3rz | consider it willful non-recognition | 14:33 |
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| XenoPL | " | 14:40 |
| XenoPL | cats on the keyboards are evil :) | 14:40 |
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| T4 | <adampigg> I wonder if meowdude has trouble with keyboard cats | 15:14 |
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| piggz | finally, a user who has converted form JollaC to mido, thinks my port is great,, and is helping out by investigating different governors to get best performance | 18:59 |
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