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| rinigus | mal, adampigg: morning! the packaging was done to allow every language be installed separately and update components separately as well. users also prefer different keyboards (regular vs arrow) and we can have multiple layouts for en_US, for example. | 05:35 |
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| rinigus | space requirements for a language are about 10mb. for difficult cases, as Estonian, is 15mb. so, it can quickly get significant if we package all together. | 05:37 |
| rinigus | ^all languages together | 05:37 |
| rinigus | mal: please do finnish version. the bigger the corpus - the merrier. | 05:40 |
| rinigus | mal: I suggest to try it. it's an assistant that you can ignore if you wish, but it does make typing faster for me. | 05:42 |
| rinigus | mal: as for how does it work: all text flows through InputHandler (qml), gets processed with the suggestions based on the last few words (ngram is essentially Markov process model). this is joined with speller suggestions allowing you to continue typing even if you made a typo and selecting corrected suggestion. | 05:50 |
| rinigus | mal: please ask if you run into problems with ngram generation or want to know more. | 05:51 |
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| T4 | <adampigg> Rinigus, any options in the future for auto correct? | 06:53 |
| rinigus | adampigg: looking on how android users swear at autocorrection, I wasn't really planning it. its surely possible through. for that, I'd like to get better tokenizer working in presage and expose it to QML code. right now we have two tokenizers, one in presage and one in qml parser, leading to few issues | 06:57 |
| kimmoli | rinigus: merged pr, and tagged 0.0.39 | 06:59 |
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| rinigus | kimmoli: thanks! I rebuilt at OBS as well, so it should be ready for testing | 08:06 |
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| sonox1 | test | 10:34 |
| bshah | fail | 10:34 |
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| mal | rinigus: I can try to add finnish to that but I couldn't figure out where the other languages are store, I saw the instructions how the create new languages but no place where those are | 11:02 |
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| rinigus | mal: there are 3 RPMs required for each language: presage ngram database (https://openrepos.net/content/sailfishkeyboard/presage-lang; instructions at https://github.com/sailfish-keyboard/presage/blob/master/README.md including packaging script); hunspell dictionary (https://openrepos.net/content/sailfishkeyboard/hunspell-lang; same README.md for instructions); and keyboard file (see https://openrepos.net/content/sailfishkeyboard/english-u | 11:07 |
| rinigus | s-keyboard-layout-presage-based-text-prediction for example; instructions at https://github.com/sailfish-keyboard/sailfishos-presage-predictor/tree/master/utils/keyboard). Keyboard is in essence a copy of Jolla's keyboard, just other file name and new conf file | 11:07 |
| rinigus | mal: with hunspell, you might have to convert it to UTF8 (estonian was in one of iso formats) | 11:08 |
| rinigus | mal: so, the trickiest is to get some large representative text file. if you know someone doing NLP, they probably can give it to you | 11:09 |
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| rinigus | mal: I haven't optimized ngram database generation speed, but performance on phone should be fast. also, I suggest to look how ngrams were generated in Estonian - first split to sentences/then each sentence to tokens. | 11:10 |
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| mal | rinigus: you missed what I meant, I tried to ask where are the different languages stores, I found the rpms but what about the sources for the languages? | 11:12 |
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| rinigus | mal: sorry, language stores (corpus) is any text that you use to train ngram database. for estonian, I've got 250m words of text from someone doing nlp. for english, I have classical corpus (3m words) called OANC | 11:19 |
| rinigus | mal: for english I downloaded it from the net | 11:20 |
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| rinigus | mal: its basically text from newspapers, law, chats, and so on | 11:21 |
| mal | rinigus: but where is the database stored :) | 11:21 |
| mal | is it just on someones computer or somewhere in github? | 11:21 |
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| rinigus | mal: corpus is a plain txt, not database, usually. corpus can be either on someone's computer (as for estonian) or available for download online (english). so, no github for that part | 11:28 |
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| rinigus | mal: calculated ngrams are in the database, those we keep in rpms at openrepos, no github since its hard to diff them | 11:29 |
| rinigus | mal: this may help http://bionlp.utu.fi/finnish-internet-parsebank.html | 11:32 |
| mal | rinigus: ok, I found some n-gram collection for finnish based on 1.5 billion tokens (what is a token in this case) | 11:32 |
| mal | yep, I was on that page already | 11:32 |
| rinigus | mal: tokens could be tricky, estonian pros have it for parts of the longer words as well. finnish probably has the same structure, but maybe they used full words there | 11:33 |
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| locusf | 1,5 billion :D | 13:00 |
| mal | locusf: the files are quite big | 13:00 |
| mal | locusf: http://bionlp-www.utu.fi/fin-ngrams/fin-flat-ngrams/ | 13:01 |
| rinigus | mal: we need 3-grams (3,2,1). that will reduce them nicely | 13:06 |
| locusf | the tri-arcs http://bionlp-www.utu.fi/fin-ngrams/fin-syntactic-ngrams/ from here? | 13:09 |
| rinigus | locusf: I don't know what's tri-arcs, unfortunately. | 13:10 |
| rinigus | I looked at the paper, but didn't read it | 13:11 |
| rinigus | it maybe easier to get raw data and generate ngrams yourself. raw data should be smaller than the ngrams (depends on the format of ngrams database). but raw data would require significant ram (64gb +) | 13:14 |
| rinigus | ... to process it | 13:15 |
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| lbt | PSA: Mer git will be down for upgrades this evening | 14:10 |
| Mister_Magister | lbt: what about 2.1.4.14 target | 14:12 |
| hexc0de | Hi, anyone knows why audio-system cann't get modem info? https://pastebin.com/gbMF30Fn | 14:15 |
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| hexc0de | strace pulseaudio with this issue https://pastebin.com/kuNwtf2N | 14:21 |
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| hexc0de | I think, it is break creating sinks/sources for voicecalls | 14:22 |
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| NotKit | spiiroin, does mce use kernel autosleep on newer devices, as in https://git.merproject.org/mer-core/mce/blob/master/libwakelock.c#L323? | 17:50 |
| NotKit | I'm trying to understand what changes were made to it to handle Android power management | 17:51 |
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| spiiroin | NotKit: changes vs meego/maemo times? | 20:14 |
| spiiroin | or early suspend vs autosleep? | 20:15 |
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| NotKit | meego/maemo times vs Android, yes, and if autosleep is actually used (it seems Android doesn't use it even when kernel supports it?) | 20:15 |
| spiiroin | yes, gitlab is down but around ff31cda90ff6b2a7c11d7412be17e08c89237ad0 | 20:17 |
| spiiroin | in mce tree that is | 20:17 |
| spiiroin | autosleep vs early suspend support probing | 20:18 |
| spiiroin | then the changes from maemo... | 20:18 |
| spiiroin | basically started with: display state handling from maemo/meego -> enable autosuspend on display off, disable it on display != off | 20:19 |
| spiiroin | then add wakelocks here and there | 20:19 |
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| spiiroin | and eventually try to make sure everything is suspend proofed with wakelocks | 20:19 |
| TheKit | thanks for the explanation | 20:22 |
| spiiroin | then, since wakelocks are privileged op -> that cpu keepalive dbus interface was added -> apps can block suspend (without being able to mess up by leaking wakelocks) | 20:22 |
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| spiiroin | and in j1 days kernel did not support waking up from suspend except via rtc -> that was included in already existing maemo/meego libiphb api i.e. iphb timers get triggered even if device is suspended | 20:24 |
| spiiroin | I guess those are the biggest changes | 20:24 |
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