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| pseudodev | Hello there sailors | 04:40 |
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| pseudodev | any ideas why do i get Error: $DEVICE is undefined. Please run hadk when i run add_new_device.sh but echo $DEVICE returns my device name? | 04:41 |
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| birdzhang_ | pseudodev: do you have ~/.hadk.env ? | 05:36 |
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| pseudodev | yes | 05:40 |
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| birdzhang_ | source ~/.hadk.env | 05:42 |
| pseudodev | Nevermind | 05:43 |
| pseudodev | Fixed it :) | 05:43 |
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| birdzhang_ | piggz: Thank you very much, sensors works after use your hack! | 06:16 |
| piggz | birdzhang_: ah, awesome! | 06:17 |
| piggz | birdzhang_: there is another less hack too, from the helium guy | 06:17 |
| birdzhang_ | but i don't know how to add these libs when use "sudo mic create fs " | 06:17 |
| birdzhang_ | wow | 06:17 |
| piggz | birdzhang_: they get added automatically from the hybris-boot build | 06:18 |
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| birdzhang_ | so i need to put the libs under hybris-boot/initramfs ? | 06:20 |
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| aju | could anyone tell what to do under this section? "3 Configure Mountpoint Information" my english is bad and i couldnt understand it? | 06:21 |
| piggz | no, use the vendorsetup.sh to copy them to the right place | 06:21 |
| piggz | then, when you build_packages.sh -d, they will get pickjed up | 06:22 |
| birdzhang_ | ok,thank you | 06:22 |
| pseudodev | aju: What device? | 06:24 |
| aju | building for a new one... lgk10_m216 | 06:24 |
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| aju | how to configure mountpoint configuration? | 06:36 |
| piggz | fixup_mountpoints.sh | 06:36 |
| piggz | but thats all in the hadk! | 06:36 |
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| sledges | PSA: Sailfish OS Community collaboration @ #mer-meeting in 11mins | 07:49 |
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| piggz | mal: i sprained my ankle last night .... so ive a few days off work for coding, silver linings! | 09:48 |
| mal | piggz: :( and :) | 09:51 |
| r0kk3rz | piggz hah! | 09:51 |
| piggz | unfortunaly, i was in a&e when the meeting was on ... waiting for the minutes/logs to come out! | 09:53 |
| mal | piggz: http://merproject.org/meetings/mer-meeting/2018/mer-meeting.2018-05-17-08.01.html | 09:54 |
| piggz | id really like to make a meeting to discuss ble sometime | 09:55 |
| r0kk3rz | piggz: what do you want to discuss? | 09:56 |
| piggz | the lack of it .... try and get better support in 3.0 | 09:56 |
| piggz | when i say lack of ... i mean api's | 09:56 |
| r0kk3rz | isnt that primarily down to kernely? | 09:56 |
| r0kk3rz | and you'll get better qt stuff with 5.9? | 09:57 |
| piggz | no | 09:57 |
| piggz | we need qtconnectivity from 5.11 | 09:57 |
| r0kk3rz | ah | 09:57 |
| piggz | see my tjc post | 09:57 |
| piggz | qtbluetooth < 5.11 uses raw l2cap bluez api .... 5.11 will use the dbus api .... without the dbus api, bluez doesnt start its gatt server | 09:58 |
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| Chronosms | Hello everybody | 09:59 |
| piggz | lo | 10:00 |
| r0kk3rz | sledges: soooo, hybris tree for new sonys? | 10:00 |
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| sledges | all in good time | 10:05 |
| r0kk3rz | patience be damned, theres porting to be done :P | 10:06 |
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| mal | r0kk3rz: about the wayland update, I accidentially used the updated packages for month and didn't see any serious issues, so only sdl has some issue with it | 10:43 |
| mal | *for months | 10:43 |
| r0kk3rz | thats not so bad then, ill try it on tablet | 10:45 |
| r0kk3rz | maybe i can get a gtk3 test app working | 10:45 |
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| piggz_ | mal: r0kk3rz: thats cool (re wayland) | 11:15 |
| piggz_ | thoughts? https://twitter.com/adampigg/status/997072884672749568 (wish the keys we more tactile, and less zx81) | 11:17 |
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| stephg | nice | 11:20 |
| piggz_ | first impressions, its neat, thin and a perfect size | 11:23 |
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| piggz_ | second impression, its not that bad for typing | 11:27 |
| r0kk3rz | got a linky? | 11:28 |
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| piggz_ | https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Kit-Magnetic-Bluetooth-Keyboard-Case-for-7-8-Tablet-T3PY/371955365762?epid=15015962163&hash=item569a447782:g:n8cAAOSw42dZHsfO | 11:33 |
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| rinigus | Mister_Magister: [reading through gpu discussion] I think we miss two inputs to conclude whether GPU is used or not: monitoring application that can report GPU usage while letting others to use GPU; application that stresses GPU. | 19:06 |
| rinigus | for monitoring, I couldn't find anything that would report GPU usage except AIDA. Which is rather poor for this case - cannot run it remotely, takes stats over short period of time. | 19:06 |
| rinigus | In AIDA, on onyx, I can see GPU usage while scrolling on its screen. It runs up to 50%ish, GPU clock nailed on the lowest one. | 19:07 |
| Mister_Magister | rinigus: i think so too | 19:07 |
| rinigus | As for proper GPU stress, you probably need some kind of benchmark. I am not sure whether GPU would be limiting for GL-using applications (not aware of many, only Mapbox GL). | 19:07 |
| rinigus | As for high CPU usage - that should be checked next to the used CPU frequency and hotplugging. You can simplify monitoring by pegging it to some fixed frequency. Without it, top is pretty much useless | 19:07 |
| rinigus | Mister_Magister: copy-and-paste finished | 19:07 |
| Mister_Magister | i had seen gpu usage somewhere in sys | 19:07 |
| Mister_Magister | rinigus: for gpu stress i can compile oxygine example | 19:08 |
| rinigus | Mister_Magister: where did you see it in sys? | 19:08 |
| Mister_Magister | that will generate 10 000 animated objects | 19:08 |
| Mister_Magister | enough to stress gpu a bit | 19:08 |
| Mister_Magister | rinigus: that i cant remember | 19:08 |
| rinigus | what's oxygine? google not really helping | 19:09 |
| Mister_Magister | https://duckduckgo.com/?q=oxygine&t=ffab&ia=software | 19:10 |
| Mister_Magister | weird its super helpful for me | 19:10 |
| rinigus | :) | 19:12 |
| Mister_Magister | well on x force i have 30% cpu usage when no process uses cpu | 19:13 |
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| rinigus | Mister_Magister: and whats frequency? same here, even higher. but, on onyx, I have mainly running on the lowest possible frequency, most of the time | 19:14 |
| Mister_Magister | and it should use gpu more shouldnt it | 19:15 |
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| r0kk3rz | scrolling the display page on aida spikes gpu to 40% on jolla c for me | 19:16 |
| rinigus | Mister_Magister: since we don't know how to monitor GPU, we cannot state that it doesn't. only program that I am aware (AIDA) shows GPU activity when I scroll in it and uses lowest GPU frequency. hence, lowering GPU in kernel will not be changing anything in this case | 19:16 |
| Mister_Magister | im still concerned about so little gpu usaghe | 19:17 |
| Mister_Magister | that it doesnt jump frequency up | 19:17 |
| Mister_Magister | and only scrolling made my cpu heat up 10°C | 19:17 |
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| Mister_Magister | if it were to render fully on gpu it shouldnt happen should it? | 19:17 |
| opendata | Mister_Magister: just add debugging in gem kernel stuff | 19:18 |
| Mister_Magister | what? | 19:18 |
| mal | Mister_Magister: maybe it doesn't increase the frequency because it doesn't need to, on fp2 I managed to see gpu frequency changes in /sys | 19:18 |
| Mister_Magister | mal: yeah i monitor them in sys too thats not a problem | 19:19 |
| r0kk3rz | tbh its not in super awesome game mode, so it shouldnt really need to | 19:19 |
| Mister_Magister | but i still doubt it would handle all gui with 2K video on lowest frequency | 19:19 |
| Mister_Magister | that doesnt make sense to me at all | 19:19 |
| opendata | And log iommu map/unmaps | 19:19 |
| Mister_Magister | and scrolling causijg 10°C cpu heat up doesnt make sense too | 19:19 |
| opendata | Mister_Magister: look in kernel driver, add some printks | 19:19 |
| Mister_Magister | what driver? for what? | 19:19 |
| mal | Mister_Magister: why wouldn't it, considering it doesn't do any serious opengl stuff or anything | 19:19 |
| Mister_Magister | mal: then why would it heat up cpu? | 19:20 |
| mal | that is another issue | 19:20 |
| rinigus | Mister_Magister: where do you scroll? | 19:20 |
| opendata | Mister_Magister: gpu and iommu | 19:20 |
| Mister_Magister | rinigus: doesnt matter where | 19:20 |
| Mister_Magister | just simply using gui | 19:20 |
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| opendata | Link kernel | 19:21 |
| Mister_Magister | opendata: that doesnt make sense to me | 19:21 |
| mal | Mister_Magister: the cpu usage you see is probably a completely different issue, which base? do you have other available bases, do all have same kernel? | 19:21 |
| Mister_Magister | 13.0 | 19:21 |
| rinigus | Mister_Magister: when you just use gui, you switch on your cpu. before that it was off => +10C doesn't sound as a huge issue | 19:21 |
| opendata | I take it you don't do much kernel stuff then :) | 19:21 |
| opendata | Link your downstream kernel | 19:22 |
| Mister_Magister | rinigus: wwhat? | 19:22 |
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| rinigus | Mister_Magister: where do you get dT=10C? from which state to scrolling state in whatever simple application (we are not talking about browsers, but let's scroll just in AIDA) | 19:24 |
| Mister_Magister | mal: probably… so maybe its rendering on gpu but also causing tons of cpu usage? | 19:24 |
| Mister_Magister | rinigus: when unlocking screen | 19:25 |
| Mister_Magister | using gui -> tons of cpu usage and heating cpu to 55°C | 19:25 |
| Mister_Magister | which causes whole 3700 battery go to 0 in 5 hours | 19:25 |
| Mister_Magister | and heat up A LOT | 19:26 |
| Mister_Magister | doesnt seem like much issue to me… yeah you are right… (ironically) | 19:26 |
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| rinigus | Mister_Magister: so, when your screen was locked, cpu was off (CPU was in sleeping mode). 5h of scrolling? | 19:26 |
| r0kk3rz | which process is using the cpu? | 19:27 |
| Mister_Magister | r0kk3rz: there is sone constant 30% cpu usage that comes from nowhere but other than that lipsitck | 19:27 |
| r0kk3rz | nowhere doesnt make sense | 19:27 |
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| Mister_Magister | r0kk3rz: it doesnt make sense to me too | 19:28 |
| opendata | Mister_Magister: link kernel | 19:29 |
| opendata | I'll tell you where to put debugging | 19:29 |
| Mister_Magister | ill not put any debugging | 19:29 |
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| rinigus | Mister_Magister: 5h is screen time or just phone in your pocket? | 19:30 |
| mal | Mister_Magister: how do you expect to fix things without debugging | 19:31 |
| Mister_Magister | screen time | 19:31 |
| Mister_Magister | mal: thare is no point in gpu debugging | 19:31 |
| Mister_Magister | scrolling causes cpu usage on every phone even official | 19:31 |
| Mister_Magister | thats truth already | 19:31 |
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| mal | but the idle cpu usage | 19:31 |
| Mister_Magister | mal: that would come from kernel? | 19:32 |
| mal | Mister_Magister: I would test another android base to see if there is any difference | 19:32 |
| mal | Mister_Magister: well not all graphics stuff in sailfish are done in gpu, that is also a fact | 19:32 |
| opendata | Mister_Magister: gpu is accessed in kernels | 19:32 |
| opendata | You can figure out if it is using gpu | 19:32 |
| Mister_Magister | mal: there is no other base really | 19:33 |
| mal | Mister_Magister: no 14.1? | 19:33 |
| Mister_Magister | https://forum.xda-developers.com/droid-turbo-2/development/rom-cyanogenmod-14-1-kinzie-t3536148 well there is some but 13 is stablest | 19:36 |
| mal | the high idle cpu usage is even when display is off? | 19:36 |
| mal | how is the idle battery life? | 19:37 |
| Mister_Magister | mal: lemme see | 19:37 |
| Mister_Magister | mal: well cpu usage form gui got a lot better after adding QPA_HWC_IDLE_TIME=5 | 19:37 |
| Mister_Magister | mal: nope it doesnt exists in idle | 19:38 |
| mal | so cpu usage is only high when display is on? | 19:38 |
| Mister_Magister | wait my tests are inconsistent | 19:39 |
| Mister_Magister | now its magically gone but any action on gui still causes 30% cpu usage | 19:39 |
| Mister_Magister | ah when im on aida page with thermal | 19:39 |
| Mister_Magister | there is 30% cpu usage | 19:39 |
| Mister_Magister | or not… | 19:39 |
| Mister_Magister | hmm | 19:39 |
| Mister_Magister | basically any action in gui causes 30% cpu usage that i know for sure | 19:40 |
| mal | it's normal that doing something in homescreen causes 10-30% cpu usage | 19:40 |
| Mister_Magister | normal? | 19:40 |
| mal | yes | 19:40 |
| Mister_Magister | it shouldnt be there | 19:40 |
| mal | 22:32 < mal> Mister_Magister: well not all graphics stuff in sailfish are done in gpu, that is also a fact | 19:40 |
| r0kk3rz | do you want a medal or something? | 19:40 |
| Mister_Magister | when you pull app drawer it should use only gpu | 19:40 |
| Mister_Magister | r0kk3rz: i want rendering on gpu | 19:40 |
| Mister_Magister | fully | 19:41 |
| Mister_Magister | not paritally | 19:41 |
| r0kk3rz | but you dont want to fix it | 19:41 |
| mal | Mister_Magister: and I told you sailfish is not doing everything with gpu | 19:41 |
| Mister_Magister | sure i want | 19:41 |
| Mister_Magister | mal: yeah and thats what im complaining about | 19:41 |
| mal | I thought you had a real problem | 19:41 |
| Mister_Magister | well it is a problem | 19:41 |
| mal | this is "feature" | 19:41 |
| r0kk3rz | :D | 19:42 |
| Mister_Magister | for example cant play music | 19:42 |
| Mister_Magister | or video | 19:42 |
| Mister_Magister | they stutter as hell | 19:42 |
| Mister_Magister | (basic screen in aliendalvik causes 94°C on cpu but that different story) | 19:43 |
| Mister_Magister | mal: i would be happy if audio, video, and animations wouldnt stutter | 19:44 |
| mal | well you are now talking about different issues | 19:45 |
| Mister_Magister | but cpu usage from gui «probably» causes stutter | 19:45 |
| mal | which makes it difficult to follow your explanations | 19:45 |
| Mister_Magister | mal: im aware of that | 19:45 |
| mal | was that the big.little device? | 19:46 |
| Mister_Magister | yes | 19:46 |
| mal | so that is the reason then | 19:46 |
| Mister_Magister | i see no reason in that | 19:46 |
| Mister_Magister | xperia x is big little too | 19:46 |
| mal | I assume your other devicess which are not big.little don't have the problem | 19:47 |
| mal | Mister_Magister: and xperia x had issues with that in the beginning | 19:47 |
| Mister_Magister | «had» | 19:47 |
| mal | not sure if it still has | 19:47 |
| Mister_Magister | it doesnt | 19:47 |
| Mister_Magister | if i didnt add QPA_HWC_IDLE_TIME=5 things were a lot worse | 19:47 |
| Mister_Magister | that means a lot more cpu usage | 19:48 |
| Mister_Magister | mal: im not sure what to do at this point. im like blind lost child | 19:51 |
| mal | Mister_Magister: do you have something like this https://github.com/mer-hybris/device-sony-loire/commit/cd85f03cc6e8c164a97b19a1d67a3dddcb92c4e8 | 19:52 |
| mal | Mister_Magister: meaning enabling all cpus | 19:52 |
| Mister_Magister | mal: cpu management is good | 19:53 |
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| Mister_Magister | if i were to enable all 8 cores i would have to be insane | 19:53 |
| mal | so how many cores are used now? | 19:54 |
| Mister_Magister | depends | 19:54 |
| mal | on x only two were used before that | 19:54 |
| Mister_Magister | its hotplug | 19:54 |
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| mal | but does it really start to use all if needed? | 19:54 |
| Mister_Magister | yes | 19:55 |
| Mister_Magister | ofcourse | 19:55 |
| Mister_Magister | all i had to do to start every core was use gui before | 19:55 |
| mal | it not of course based on that commit, not always | 19:55 |
| Mister_Magister | mal: i know my cpu | 19:55 |
| Mister_Magister | and i know how its managed | 19:55 |
| Mister_Magister | this commit wont do any change to my cpu | 19:55 |
| Mister_Magister | cause these paths doesnt exist | 19:55 |
| mal | I'm not a mind reader | 19:55 |
| Mister_Magister | im tryingh to tell you cpu is okay | 19:56 |
| Mister_Magister | there is even funny thing that when there is only little core gpu is slow | 19:56 |
| mal | well I cannot be sure until I get enough information | 19:56 |
| Mister_Magister | ah thats also example of rendering on cpu | 19:56 |
| mal | if I would trust what everyone says the first time many issues would be left unresolved | 19:57 |
| Mister_Magister | i have corectl when i set min cpu max cpu and threshold | 19:57 |
| Mister_Magister | treshold* | 19:57 |
| Mister_Magister | mal: well you can trust me at leat | 19:57 |
| Mister_Magister | lleast | 19:57 |
| mal | many times even the best porters have oversights of some also simple things | 19:58 |
| gehidore | ^ | 19:58 |
| Mister_Magister | okay sure but at cpu management im sure | 19:58 |
| Mister_Magister | kay? | 19:58 |
| r0kk3rz | trust nothing, question everything, that is how you diagnose shit | 19:58 |
| Mister_Magister | r0kk3rz: +1 | 19:59 |
| mal | that's why I sometimes ask very stupid and simple questions from people because I cannot be sure things haven't been overlooked | 19:59 |
| Mister_Magister | mal: i can make all cores online if you want | 19:59 |
| Mister_Magister | but what do you want to achieve | 20:00 |
| r0kk3rz | moar cpus! | 20:00 |
| Mister_Magister | r0kk3rz: less cpu | 20:00 |
| Mister_Magister | less battery | 20:00 |
| Mister_Magister | adding moar cpu because gui is lagging doesnt seem like rendering on gpu to me | 20:00 |
| mal | have you tried some opengl app? | 20:01 |
| Mister_Magister | but why? | 20:02 |
| Mister_Magister | you said yourself that sfos doesnt render everything on gpu | 20:02 |
| mal | to see that at least some gpu stuff works | 20:02 |
| Mister_Magister | ah i have seen some standard gpu usage in aida | 20:03 |
| mal | so what processes use cpu when you get audio issues? | 20:03 |
| mal | and how much | 20:03 |
| Mister_Magister | its not just audio/ when i pull app draver ther is lag when i switch apps there is lag when i switch page there is lag when i watch video there is lags | 20:04 |
| Mister_Magister | well audio issues are more rare after QPA_HWC_IDLE_TIME=5 | 20:05 |
| Mister_Magister | they still exists sometimes | 20:05 |
| Mister_Magister | for example when opening app | 20:05 |
| Mister_Magister | but its pretty random | 20:05 |
| Mister_Magister | making screenshot basucally causes audio freeze and gui | 20:06 |
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| Mister_Magister | mal: also there is this https://i.imgur.com/KD66ADn.png | 20:08 |
| Mister_Magister | random red bars when having basically screen on | 20:09 |
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| Mister_Magister | mal: well there is high cpu usage when using gui and low gpu usage so i safetly assumed its rendered on gpu | 20:10 |
| Mister_Magister | maybe SMALL part is rendered on gpu | 20:10 |
| Mister_Magister | no answer huh… ill go with my assumption further | 20:16 |
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