Thursday, 2018-05-17

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pseudodevHello there sailors04:40
pseudodevany ideas why do i get Error: $DEVICE is undefined. Please run hadk when i run but echo $DEVICE returns my device name?04:41
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birdzhang_pseudodev: do you have ~/.hadk.env ?05:36
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birdzhang_source ~/.hadk.env05:42
pseudodevFixed it :)05:43
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birdzhang_piggz: Thank you very much, sensors works after use your hack!06:16
piggzbirdzhang_: ah, awesome!06:17
piggzbirdzhang_: there is another less hack too, from the helium guy06:17
birdzhang_but i don't know how to add these libs when use "sudo mic create fs "06:17
piggzbirdzhang_: they get added automatically from the hybris-boot build06:18
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birdzhang_so i need to put the libs under hybris-boot/initramfs ?06:20
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ajucould anyone tell what to do under this section? "3 Configure Mountpoint Information" my english is bad and i couldnt understand it?06:21
piggzno, use the to copy them to the right place06:21
piggzthen, when you -d, they will get pickjed up06:22
birdzhang_ok,thank you06:22
pseudodevaju: What device?06:24
ajubuilding for a new one... lgk10_m21606:24
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ajuhow to configure mountpoint configuration?06:36
piggzbut thats all in the hadk!06:36
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sledgesPSA: Sailfish OS Community collaboration @ #mer-meeting in 11mins07:49
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piggzmal: i sprained my ankle last night .... so ive a few days off work for coding, silver linings!09:48
malpiggz: :( and :)09:51
r0kk3rz piggz hah!09:51
piggzunfortunaly, i was in a&e when the meeting was on ... waiting for the minutes/logs to come out!09:53
piggzid really like to make a meeting to discuss ble sometime09:55
r0kk3rzpiggz: what do you want to discuss?09:56
piggzthe lack of it .... try and get better support in 3.009:56
piggzwhen i say lack of ... i mean api's09:56
r0kk3rzisnt that primarily down to kernely?09:56
r0kk3rzand you'll get better qt stuff with 5.9?09:57
piggzwe need qtconnectivity from 5.1109:57
piggzsee my tjc post09:57
piggzqtbluetooth < 5.11 uses raw l2cap bluez api  .... 5.11 will use the dbus api .... without the dbus api, bluez doesnt start its gatt server09:58
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ChronosmsHello everybody09:59
r0kk3rzsledges: soooo, hybris tree for new sonys?10:00
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sledgesall in good time10:05
r0kk3rzpatience be damned, theres porting to be done :P10:06
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malr0kk3rz: about the wayland update, I accidentially used the updated packages for month and didn't see any serious issues, so only sdl has some issue with it10:43
mal*for months10:43
r0kk3rzthats not so bad then, ill try it on tablet10:45
r0kk3rzmaybe i can get a gtk3 test app working10:45
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piggz_mal: r0kk3rz: thats cool (re wayland)11:15
piggz_thoughts? (wish the keys we more tactile, and less zx81)11:17
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piggz_first impressions, its neat, thin and a perfect size11:23
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piggz_second impression, its not that bad for typing11:27
r0kk3rzgot a linky?11:28
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rinigusMister_Magister: [reading through gpu discussion] I think we miss two inputs to conclude whether GPU is used or not: monitoring application that can report GPU usage while letting others to use GPU; application that stresses GPU.19:06
rinigusfor monitoring, I couldn't find anything that would report GPU usage except AIDA. Which is rather poor for this case - cannot run it remotely, takes stats over short period of time.19:06
rinigusIn AIDA, on onyx, I can see GPU usage while scrolling on its screen. It runs up to 50%ish, GPU clock nailed on the lowest one.19:07
Mister_Magisterrinigus: i think so too19:07
rinigusAs for proper GPU stress, you probably need some kind of benchmark. I am not sure whether GPU would be limiting for GL-using applications (not aware of many, only Mapbox GL).19:07
rinigusAs for high CPU usage - that should be checked next to the used CPU frequency and hotplugging. You can simplify monitoring by pegging it to some fixed frequency. Without it, top is pretty much useless19:07
rinigusMister_Magister: copy-and-paste finished19:07
Mister_Magisteri had seen gpu usage somewhere in sys19:07
Mister_Magisterrinigus: for gpu stress i can compile oxygine example19:08
rinigusMister_Magister: where did you see it in sys?19:08
Mister_Magisterthat will generate 10 000 animated objects19:08
Mister_Magisterenough to stress gpu a bit19:08
Mister_Magisterrinigus: that i cant remember19:08
riniguswhat's oxygine? google not really helping19:09
Mister_Magisterweird its super helpful for me19:10
Mister_Magisterwell on x force i have 30% cpu usage when no process uses cpu19:13
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rinigusMister_Magister: and whats frequency? same here, even higher. but, on onyx, I have mainly running on the lowest possible frequency, most of the time19:14
Mister_Magisterand it should use gpu more shouldnt it19:15
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r0kk3rzscrolling the display page on aida spikes gpu to 40% on jolla c for me19:16
rinigusMister_Magister: since we don't know how to monitor GPU, we cannot state that it doesn't. only program that I am aware (AIDA) shows GPU activity when I scroll in it and uses lowest GPU frequency. hence, lowering GPU in kernel will not be changing anything in this case19:16
Mister_Magisterim still concerned about so little gpu usaghe19:17
Mister_Magisterthat it doesnt jump frequency up19:17
Mister_Magisterand only scrolling made my cpu heat up 10°C19:17
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Mister_Magisterif it were to render fully on gpu it shouldnt happen should it?19:17
opendataMister_Magister: just add debugging in gem kernel stuff19:18
malMister_Magister: maybe it doesn't increase the frequency because it doesn't need to, on fp2 I managed to see gpu frequency changes in /sys19:18
Mister_Magistermal: yeah i monitor them in sys too thats not a problem19:19
r0kk3rztbh its not in super awesome game mode, so it shouldnt really need to19:19
Mister_Magisterbut i still doubt it would handle all gui with 2K video on lowest frequency19:19
Mister_Magisterthat doesnt make sense to me at all19:19
opendataAnd log iommu map/unmaps19:19
Mister_Magisterand scrolling causijg 10°C cpu heat up doesnt make sense too19:19
opendataMister_Magister: look in kernel driver, add some printks19:19
Mister_Magisterwhat driver? for what?19:19
malMister_Magister: why wouldn't it, considering it doesn't do any serious opengl stuff or anything19:19
Mister_Magistermal: then why would it heat up cpu?19:20
malthat is another issue19:20
rinigusMister_Magister: where do you scroll?19:20
opendataMister_Magister: gpu and iommu19:20
Mister_Magisterrinigus: doesnt matter where19:20
Mister_Magisterjust simply using gui19:20
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opendataLink kernel19:21
Mister_Magisteropendata: that doesnt make sense to me19:21
malMister_Magister: the cpu usage you see is probably a completely different issue, which base? do you have other available bases, do all have same kernel?19:21
rinigusMister_Magister: when you just use gui, you switch on your cpu. before that it was off => +10C doesn't sound as a huge issue19:21
opendataI take it you don't do much kernel stuff then :)19:21
opendataLink your downstream kernel19:22
Mister_Magisterrinigus: wwhat?19:22
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rinigusMister_Magister: where do you get dT=10C? from which state to scrolling state in whatever simple application (we are not talking about browsers, but let's scroll just in AIDA)19:24
Mister_Magistermal: probably… so maybe its rendering on gpu but also causing tons of cpu usage?19:24
Mister_Magisterrinigus: when unlocking screen19:25
Mister_Magisterusing gui -> tons of cpu usage and heating cpu to 55°C19:25
Mister_Magisterwhich causes whole 3700 battery go to 0 in 5 hours19:25
Mister_Magisterand heat up A LOT19:26
Mister_Magisterdoesnt seem like much issue to me… yeah you are right… (ironically)19:26
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rinigusMister_Magister: so, when your screen was locked, cpu was off (CPU was in sleeping mode). 5h of scrolling?19:26
r0kk3rzwhich process is using the cpu?19:27
Mister_Magisterr0kk3rz: there is sone constant 30% cpu usage that comes from nowhere but other than that lipsitck19:27
r0kk3rznowhere doesnt make sense19:27
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Mister_Magisterr0kk3rz: it doesnt make sense to me too19:28
opendataMister_Magister: link kernel19:29
opendataI'll tell you where to put debugging19:29
Mister_Magisterill not put any debugging19:29
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rinigusMister_Magister: 5h is screen time or just phone in your pocket?19:30
malMister_Magister: how do you expect to fix things without debugging19:31
Mister_Magisterscreen time19:31
Mister_Magistermal: thare is no point in gpu debugging19:31
Mister_Magisterscrolling causes cpu usage on every phone even official19:31
Mister_Magisterthats truth already19:31
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malbut the idle cpu usage19:31
Mister_Magistermal: that would come from kernel?19:32
malMister_Magister: I would test another android base to see if there is any difference19:32
malMister_Magister: well not all graphics stuff in sailfish are done in gpu, that is also a fact19:32
opendataMister_Magister: gpu is accessed in kernels19:32
opendataYou can figure out if it is using gpu19:32
Mister_Magistermal: there is no other base really19:33
malMister_Magister: no 14.1?19:33
Mister_Magister well there is some but 13 is stablest19:36
malthe high idle cpu usage is even when display is off?19:36
malhow is the idle battery life?19:37
Mister_Magistermal: lemme see19:37
Mister_Magistermal: well cpu usage form gui got a lot better after adding QPA_HWC_IDLE_TIME=519:37
Mister_Magistermal: nope it doesnt exists in idle19:38
malso cpu usage is only high when display is on?19:38
Mister_Magisterwait my tests are inconsistent19:39
Mister_Magisternow its magically gone but any action on gui still causes 30% cpu usage19:39
Mister_Magisterah when im on aida page with thermal19:39
Mister_Magisterthere is 30% cpu usage19:39
Mister_Magisteror not…19:39
Mister_Magisterbasically any action in gui causes 30% cpu usage that i know for sure19:40
malit's normal that doing something in homescreen causes 10-30% cpu usage19:40
Mister_Magisterit shouldnt be there19:40
mal22:32 < mal> Mister_Magister: well not all graphics stuff in sailfish are done in gpu, that is also a fact19:40
r0kk3rzdo you want a medal or something?19:40
Mister_Magisterwhen you pull app drawer it should use only gpu19:40
Mister_Magisterr0kk3rz: i want rendering on gpu19:40
Mister_Magisternot paritally19:41
r0kk3rzbut you dont want to fix it19:41
malMister_Magister: and I told you sailfish is not doing everything with gpu19:41
Mister_Magistersure i want19:41
Mister_Magistermal: yeah and thats what im complaining about19:41
malI thought you had a real problem19:41
Mister_Magisterwell it is a problem19:41
malthis is "feature"19:41
Mister_Magisterfor example cant play music19:42
Mister_Magisteror video19:42
Mister_Magisterthey stutter as hell19:42
Mister_Magister(basic screen in aliendalvik causes 94°C on cpu but that different story)19:43
Mister_Magistermal: i would be happy if audio, video, and animations wouldnt stutter19:44
malwell you are now talking about different issues19:45
Mister_Magisterbut cpu usage from gui «probably» causes stutter19:45
malwhich makes it difficult to follow your explanations19:45
Mister_Magistermal: im aware of that19:45
malwas that the big.little device?19:46
malso that is the reason then19:46
Mister_Magisteri see no reason in that19:46
Mister_Magisterxperia x is big little too19:46
malI assume your other devicess which are not big.little don't have the problem19:47
malMister_Magister: and xperia x had issues with that in the beginning19:47
malnot sure if it still has19:47
Mister_Magisterit doesnt19:47
Mister_Magisterif i didnt add QPA_HWC_IDLE_TIME=5 things were a lot worse19:47
Mister_Magisterthat means a lot more cpu usage19:48
Mister_Magistermal: im not sure what to do at this point. im like blind lost child19:51
malMister_Magister: do you have something like this
malMister_Magister: meaning enabling all cpus19:52
Mister_Magistermal: cpu management is good19:53
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Mister_Magisterif i were to enable all 8 cores i would have to be insane19:53
malso how many cores are used now?19:54
malon x only two were used before that19:54
Mister_Magisterits hotplug19:54
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malbut does it really start to use all if needed?19:54
Mister_Magisterall i had to do to start every core was use gui before19:55
malit not of course based on that commit, not always19:55
Mister_Magistermal: i know my cpu19:55
Mister_Magisterand i know how its managed19:55
Mister_Magisterthis commit wont do any change to my cpu19:55
Mister_Magistercause these paths doesnt exist19:55
malI'm not a mind reader19:55
Mister_Magisterim tryingh to tell you cpu is okay19:56
Mister_Magisterthere is even funny thing that when there is only little core gpu is slow19:56
malwell I cannot be sure until I get enough information19:56
Mister_Magisterah thats also example of rendering on cpu19:56
malif I would trust what everyone says the first time many issues would be left unresolved19:57
Mister_Magisteri have corectl when i set min cpu max cpu and threshold19:57
Mister_Magistermal: well you can trust me at leat19:57
malmany times even the best porters have oversights of some also simple things19:58
Mister_Magisterokay sure but at cpu management im sure19:58
r0kk3rztrust nothing, question everything, that is how you diagnose shit19:58
Mister_Magisterr0kk3rz: +119:59
malthat's why I sometimes ask very stupid and simple questions from people because I cannot be sure things haven't been overlooked19:59
Mister_Magistermal: i can make all cores online if you want19:59
Mister_Magisterbut what do you want to achieve20:00
r0kk3rzmoar cpus!20:00
Mister_Magisterr0kk3rz: less cpu20:00
Mister_Magisterless battery20:00
Mister_Magisteradding moar cpu because gui is lagging doesnt seem like rendering on gpu to me20:00
malhave you tried some opengl app?20:01
Mister_Magisterbut why?20:02
Mister_Magisteryou said yourself that sfos doesnt render everything on gpu20:02
malto see that at least some gpu stuff works20:02
Mister_Magisterah i have seen some standard gpu usage in aida20:03
malso what processes use cpu when you get audio issues?20:03
maland how much20:03
Mister_Magisterits not just audio/ when i pull app draver ther is lag when i switch apps there is lag when i switch page there is lag when i watch video there is lags20:04
Mister_Magisterwell audio issues are more rare after QPA_HWC_IDLE_TIME=520:05
Mister_Magisterthey still exists sometimes20:05
Mister_Magisterfor example when opening app20:05
Mister_Magisterbut its pretty random20:05
Mister_Magistermaking screenshot basucally causes audio freeze and gui20:06
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Mister_Magistermal: also there is this
Mister_Magisterrandom red bars when having basically screen on20:09
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Mister_Magistermal: well there is high cpu usage when using gui and low gpu usage so i safetly assumed its rendered on gpu20:10
Mister_Magistermaybe SMALL part is rendered on gpu20:10
Mister_Magisterno answer huh… ill go with my assumption further20:16
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