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| sledges | PSA: Sailfish OS community collaboration in just under a half-hour, /join #mer-meeting | 08:34 |
| T4 | <adampigg> hmmm, how can /i join the meeting..... | 08:57 |
| T4 | <adampigg> what have i done vknecht | 08:57 |
| T4 | <abhishek_0> samyy_010101 stop it or you'll get banned | 09:46 |
| T4 | <samyy_010101 (MISSING @USERNAME! telegram.org/faq#usernames-and-t-me)> Sorry i dont noticed that this messages are public | 09:47 |
| T4 | <abhishek_0> read the pin | 09:47 |
| T4 | <abhishek_0> samyy_010101 setup a username | 09:48 |
| T4 | <samyy_010101 (MISSING @USERNAME! telegram.org/faq#usernames-and-t-me)> The 2 links in the description of the group want function | 09:49 |
| T4 | <abhishek_0> what do you want to do? | 09:50 |
| T4 | <samyy_010101 (MISSING @USERNAME! telegram.org/faq#usernames-and-t-me)> Open the Links | 09:50 |
| Mister_Magister | @samyy_010101 if you could add username then you would stop spamming | 09:52 |
| T4 | <abhishek_0> [Edit] Welcome to Sailfish OS Porters group, … Some rules before you start: … - Dont use the direct reply feature as it does not look good on the IRC side, rather use @their_username if tg or just their nick if IRC … - Be nice to each other. … - Dont post screenshots/photos of terminal log. … - Use paste.ubuntu.com, pastebin.com or ha | 09:53 |
| T4 | stebin.com for logs. … - Dont ping people unless they are currently helping you with the issue. … - No Promotions allowed. … - If anyone hasn't replied to your issue, check group logs if someone had similar issue. … HADK: https://sailfishos.org/HADK … FAQ-HADK: https://bit.ly/faq-hadk | 09:53 |
| T4 | <abhishek_0> [Edit] Welcome to Sailfish OS Porters group, … Some rules before you start: … - Dont use the direct reply feature as it does not look good on the IRC side, rather use @their_username if tg or just their nick if IRC … - Be nice to each other. … - Dont post screenshots/photos of terminal log. … - Use paste.ubuntu.com, pastebin.com or ha | 09:54 |
| T4 | stebin.com for logs. … - Dont ping people unless they are currently helping you with the issue. … - No Promotions allowed. … - If anyone hasn't replied to your issue, check group logs if someone had similar issue. … HADK: https://sailfishos.org/hadk … FAQ-HADK: https://bit.ly/faq-hadk | 09:54 |
| Mister_Magister | now this channel is full of spam :C | 09:55 |
| T4 | <samyy_010101 (MISSING @USERNAME! telegram.org/faq#usernames-and-t-me)> @Mister_Magister [@samyy_010101 if you could add username then y …], Ok hm i dont Know how? | 09:57 |
| r0kk3rz | oh god | 09:58 |
| Mister_Magister | https://telegram.org/faq#q-what-are-usernames-how-do-i-get-one | 09:59 |
| r0kk3rz | https://merproject.org/faq#q-what-is-t4-and-how-do-i-ban-it | 09:59 |
| Mister_Magister | r0kk3rz: xDDDDD | 10:00 |
| Mister_Magister | r0kk3rz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6KYqSDVj_g | 10:00 |
| locusf | what a train wreck | 10:10 |
| T4 | <abhishek_0> btw what happened to the Volte ? it was supposed to come with 3.0 | 10:17 |
| Mister_Magister | @abhishek_0 many features were supposed to come with 3.0 but almost none came. it was all just a lie. all the sfos3 features will be in sfos4 | 10:19 |
| T4 | <abhishek_0> and all sfos4's features will be in sfos5 ? | 10:20 |
| Mister_Magister | yep | 10:21 |
| lbt | Mister_Magister: sfos 3 got released with some of the features that are planned for sfos 3. | 10:21 |
| Mister_Magister | some but all sfos 3 features will be once sfos 3 ends and sfos 4 starts isnt that right? | 10:22 |
| Mister_Magister | https://jolla.com/sailfish3/ this whole page is one big lie | 10:22 |
| lbt | Mister_Magister: we've had this before - would you rather it had been released with some more features after christmas? maybe in spring? | 10:22 |
| lbt | or would you prefer "release early, release often" ? | 10:22 |
| Mister_Magister | lbt: i dont quite get what you mean | 10:22 |
| Mister_Magister | this page lists sfos 3 features and 3.0.0.8 is sfos 3 right? where are the features? this page lists sfos 4 features | 10:23 |
| lbt | I mean sfos 3 features will be worked on and released as we get them working | 10:23 |
| r0kk3rz | lbt: ordinarily id agree with you, but jolla decided to put big fanfare on this release | 10:23 |
| Mister_Magister | then dont say sfos 3 have all those features | 10:23 |
| locusf | theres pretty much nothing that goes to be enough for him | 10:23 |
| Mister_Magister | say it doesnt | 10:23 |
| Mister_Magister | r0kk3rz: this | 10:24 |
| Mister_Magister | locusf: you missed the point | 10:24 |
| lbt | Mister_Magister: do you still get up at 1am and look under the tree for your christmas presents and then complain if there's no bicycle? | 10:24 |
| Mister_Magister | lbt: what does that have to do with anything | 10:24 |
| lbt | Mister_Magister: is sfos 3.1 still sfos 3 | 10:24 |
| lbt | you can't have it all ways | 10:25 |
| Mister_Magister | all the feautes jolla said sfos 3 will have is a lie. Sfos 4 will have them | 10:25 |
| lbt | you either have us release things as and when we've done each bit or we hold off and release all at once | 10:25 |
| Mister_Magister | they wil be worked on during sfos 3 but sfos 3 wont have them all | 10:25 |
| lbt | and sfos 3 is more than just the first release | 10:25 |
| lbt | it's 3.0 and 3.1 and 3.2 and 3.3.... | 10:25 |
| r0kk3rz | lbt: big release once year seems to work for everyone else | 10:26 |
| lbt | Mister_Magister: yaya | 10:26 |
| Mister_Magister | lbt: you are missing the point | 10:26 |
| lbt | you got it | 10:26 |
| lbt | <Mister_Magister> they wil be worked on during sfos 3 but sfos 3 wont have them all | 10:26 |
| lbt | wooo hooo | 10:26 |
| lbt | I'll just fix it to be clearer | 10:26 |
| lbt | <Mister_Magister> they wil be worked on during sfos 3 but sfos 3***.0**** wont have them all | 10:26 |
| lbt | there you go | 10:26 |
| Mister_Magister | lbt: you are missing the point totally | 10:26 |
| lbt | phew | 10:26 |
| mal | Mister_Magister: so are you | 10:26 |
| lbt | no you missed the point | 10:26 |
| Mister_Magister | mal: not really | 10:26 |
| lbt | and the .0 :) | 10:26 |
| * lbt grins | 10:27 | |
| r0kk3rz | lbt: so thats cool, but where does it say that in the marketing for sfos3, blog posts, customer facing things | 10:27 |
| Mister_Magister | lbt: look at this page it lists sfos 3 features | 10:27 |
| Mister_Magister | sfos 3 doesnt have them | 10:27 |
| Mister_Magister | sfos 4 will have them | 10:27 |
| lbt | r0kk3rz: marketing ... srsly? | 10:27 |
| Mister_Magister | once sfos3 is dead | 10:27 |
| T4 | <abhishek_0> but A feature A realease sounds slow | 10:27 |
| T4 | <abhishek_0> lbt | 10:27 |
| r0kk3rz | lbt: you dont think the marketing is important? | 10:27 |
| lbt | Mister_Magister: 3.99999999 will have them | 10:27 |
| Mister_Magister | lbt: ye thanks but thats stil not the point | 10:27 |
| Mister_Magister | sfos 3.0 doesnt have them | 10:27 |
| lbt | r0kk3rz: yes - but it's not for you guys - you should appreciate how sw development and release works | 10:28 |
| Mister_Magister | but page says it dos | 10:28 |
| Mister_Magister | does | 10:28 |
| r0kk3rz | lbt: i do, and i mostly expected it to be like this, but the cognitive dissonance is sometimes quite amazing | 10:28 |
| lbt | r0kk3rz: marketing is important - of course ... but community cooperation isn't marketing | 10:28 |
| Mister_Magister | somebody looks at sfos3 page thinks "cool i will have volte and android8" then install sfos and realises all of that was a lie | 10:28 |
| Mister_Magister | and that he has to wait for sfos 4 for those features | 10:28 |
| T4 | <abhishek_0> android releases come with what they promise ,, subreleases only make them better | 10:29 |
| lbt | Mister_Magister: look if you just want to badmouth then feel free | 10:29 |
| Mister_Magister | ^ | 10:29 |
| Mister_Magister | lbt: why you cant see the point | 10:29 |
| r0kk3rz | Mister_Magister: you've made your point already, no need to repeat ad nauseum | 10:29 |
| Mister_Magister | r0kk3rz: but some cant seem to get that | 10:29 |
| T4 | <benzandsBot> @abhishek_0 [android releases come with what they promise , …], Well, Android 9.0 didn't have all features they promised to be in Android 9 :P | 10:30 |
| lbt | I thought we were pretty clear that features would come out during the lifetime of sfos 3 as opposed to all at once at the beginning | 10:30 |
| r0kk3rz | Mister_Magister: you mistake understanding for agreeing, they are different things | 10:30 |
| T4 | <abhishek_0> @benzandsBot like what ? | 10:30 |
| T4 | <benzandsBot> Digital Wellbeing | 10:30 |
| Mister_Magister | r0kk3rz: i dont i want people to understand my point | 10:30 |
| Mister_Magister | lbt: constantly seems to not understand | 10:30 |
| M4rtinK | lbt: for the record, that's also how I understood it back then - that ~all of that would be delivered by the Q3 date mentioned on the page | 10:30 |
| lbt | abhishek_0 as noted many many times - google has more people working on the cleaning crew for a single building than we have in our entire company ... but it's nice that you think we're still in a similar league ;) | 10:31 |
| T4 | Universebenzene was added by: Universebenzene | 10:31 |
| M4rtinK | lbt: I remember thinking "hmm, they are really ambitious, kudos to them" and also "that's really something that could help revitalize Sailfish OS is they can pull it off" | 10:31 |
| Mister_Magister | lbt: you are missing abhishek_0 and my point really | 10:31 |
| lbt | Mister_Magister: I understand what you and M4rtinK are saying. You're saying that you expected 3.0 and then 4.0 | 10:32 |
| mal | this discussion is going nowhere, can we just stop | 10:32 |
| M4rtinK | so I also agree the messaging was unfortunate | 10:32 |
| Mister_Magister | lbt: you see you dont understand | 10:32 |
| lbt | or maybe that 3.1 would have things not yet announced | 10:32 |
| lbt | whereas we announced a set of features that would come out as and when we developed them | 10:32 |
| lbt | Clearly that wasn't universally understood | 10:33 |
| Mister_Magister | lbt: https://jolla.com/sailfish3/ show me the line saying that here | 10:33 |
| M4rtinK | I can say how we do this in Fedora - we announce a set of changes for a release | 10:33 |
| M4rtinK | then deffer some of them if it turns out they are not doable/got blocked by something | 10:33 |
| M4rtinK | not saying this is useable for a commercial open/closed hibrid OS, but at least we don't have problems with users expecting something we are not going to do | 10:34 |
| M4rtinK | for the given release | 10:34 |
| lbt | M4rtinK: also consider who the marketing material is really aimed at | 10:35 |
| lbt | it's not really end users | 10:35 |
| DylanVanAssche | lbt: Jolla's business customers | 10:35 |
| lbt | yes, and we're clear about our businiess strategy | 10:35 |
| M4rtinK | I would actually expect potential business partners getting confused in the same manner | 10:36 |
| M4rtinK | not the ones you are working closely with of course | 10:36 |
| Mister_Magister | M4rtinK: "oh cool they suppor volte we can get them" "err we dont support that" "but you said you…" "we dont you misunderstood" | 10:37 |
| M4rtinK | but some potential future partners might hit the same expectation issues the community is having I'm afraid | 10:37 |
| lbt | M4rtinK: that's something we understand rather well and don't find in practice | 10:38 |
| lbt | they have extremely different questions and issues | 10:38 |
| lbt | there's clearly been an expectation that hasn't been met | 10:39 |
| M4rtinK | in any case I'm not saying current Sailfish OS 3 sucks - I like it very much & can see all the hard work, nice features and all the preparatory work going on (i do read *all* the changelogs every release) | 10:39 |
| lbt | by the community I mean | 10:39 |
| lbt | insofar as we didn't deliver everything in 3.0 | 10:39 |
| lbt | Actually here's something to think on.... | 10:39 |
| M4rtinK | and I think me & the community just want to help Jolla aware of a problem with their messaging out of worry off all the unnecessary bad press they might get | 10:40 |
| lbt | in internal meetings we discussed holding back things from our 2.x releases just so we could add them to 3.0 to make it "look bigger" - we didn't. Should we do that next time? | 10:40 |
| Mister_Magister | lbt: thats not the point | 10:40 |
| Mister_Magister | you are missing the point totally | 10:40 |
| lbt | isn't it? | 10:40 |
| Mister_Magister | no | 10:40 |
| lbt | so you wanted us to just wait 9 months with no releases so you could have a large number of items in one go? | 10:41 |
| Mister_Magister | no thats not the point either | 10:41 |
| lbt | or magically do 9 months of work in 1 month? | 10:41 |
| Mister_Magister | thats not the point | 10:41 |
| lbt | or just not say anything about what's planne? | 10:41 |
| lbt | d | 10:41 |
| Mister_Magister | see you missed our point totally | 10:41 |
| lbt | I hear "you gave us a list of features and they're not all there in 3.0" | 10:42 |
| Mister_Magister | just dont say that next update will have all those features. say it will have just some then add another in next updates | 10:42 |
| lbt | as I say ... I think the big confusion is that SFOS 3 is not 3.0 ... it's 3.0-3.x | 10:42 |
| Mister_Magister | surely | 10:43 |
| lbt | and yes, that's not stated explicitly | 10:43 |
| Mister_Magister | and sfos 3 page doesnt tell anything about that | 10:43 |
| Mister_Magister | nobody said what feautes will 3.0 update bring | 10:43 |
| r0kk3rz | just let it go already | 10:43 |
| lbt | anyhow ... I've tried to expand on this with you ... but I really need to go do some work too :) | 10:43 |
| Mister_Magister | r0kk3rz: as i see lbt finally realised i can let go | 10:43 |
| lbt | I'll see what I can do to say that more clearly in future | 10:44 |
| Mister_Magister | lbt: +1 | 10:44 |
| lbt | ie: SFOS 3 is not 3.0 ... it's 3.0-3.x | 10:44 |
| r0kk3rz | Mister_Magister: sometimes you just need to look at what you already wrote, and decide if you explained yourself clearly, and leave it at that | 10:45 |
| Mister_Magister | r0kk3rz: probably i should | 10:45 |
| T4 | <adampigg> mister_magister, tried #jolla-rants? its free to complain and everyone there will listen ;) | 11:02 |
| Mister_Magister | @adampigg what | 11:06 |
| T4 | <adampigg> thisis for porting discussion, not ranting | 11:07 |
| r0kk3rz | +1 | 11:07 |
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| T4 | <adampigg> anyone who has ever said glib is easier than qt, has clearly never used both GVariant and QVariant | 13:00 |
| r0kk3rz | heh | 13:03 |
| Mister_Magister | @adampigg glib is nightmare | 13:10 |
| Mister_Magister | >gpointer aka you have array with god knows what with god knows what type and pointers to god knows what | 13:11 |
| Mister_Magister | @adampigg i have been working on morsender aka gtk libpurple with qt frontend so i kinda know whatcha mean | 13:12 |
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| vknecht | @adampigg : you've done good :-) (android storage link, and video color fix) | 15:57 |
| piggz | mal: r0kk3rz: my new gst-droid and qtmm method is generally working | 18:02 |
| mal | piggz: you didn't rebase that gst-droid branch? | 18:06 |
| piggz | mal: there is time for that, or re-writing history | 18:09 |
| piggz | mal: how about i get it about right .... checkout a new branch, then merge/flatten into that? | 18:10 |
| mal | well rebase, and interactive rebase for combining te commit should be fine | 18:11 |
| piggz | mal: abranson: how is this for re-worked neatness? https://github.com/piggz/gst-droid/tree/exposure-modes-property | 19:27 |
| r0kk3rz | piggz: i think your spaces arent white enough, could you make them more white? | 19:35 |
| piggz | r0kk3rz: actually they are perfect ... has to go through the gst-format pre-commit hook!! | 19:45 |
| r0kk3rz | heh | 19:46 |
| kimmoli | is the warning intentended ? | 19:47 |
| kimmoli | https://github.com/piggz/gst-droid/commit/d06e6b0c75c898183a271cd1d5cdc78d13bcfeea#diff-4c0e11aa599150824f446314dbe38951R433 | 19:47 |
| kimmoli | smells like debug | 19:48 |
| piggz | fuck | 19:50 |
| piggz | aye | 19:50 |
| mal | Sailfish OS 3.0.0.8 beta3 for Fairphone 2 is now available https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris/Install_SailfishOS_for_fp2 | 20:01 |
| mal | piggz: the usual complain about commit naming :) | 20:04 |
| kimmoli | the [] in PR name does not end up in changelog | 20:06 |
| mal | kimmoli: really? https://build.merproject.org/package/view_file/nemo:devel:hw:fairphone:fp2-sibon/droid-config-fp2-sibon/_service:tar_git:droid-config-fp2-sibon.changes?expand=1 | 20:11 |
| mal | kimmoli: ah, misread | 20:11 |
| mal | kimmoli: the commit message does, PR of course not | 20:12 |
| steeeve | That repo is my inspiration | 20:18 |
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| abranson | piggz: that looks a lot neater! | 20:50 |
| T4 | <adampigg> Abranson, all been through the checker, not sure how that line changed...at the pub now on 'loweswater gold' ;) | 20:59 |
| T4 | <adampigg> I will rewrite it tomorrow when i take that debug line out | 20:59 |
| abranson | cheers! | 21:03 |
| kimmoli | added my comments to the PR | 21:25 |
| mal | looks like I have some issues with the latest code | 21:27 |
| T4 | <adampigg> Mal? | 21:32 |
| mal | @adampigg [D] unknown:0 - Checking supported: QCameraExposure::ExposureHDR | 21:34 |
| mal | (harbour-advanced-camera:23763): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: 23:33:12.913: g_value_set_variant: assertion 'G_VALUE_HOLDS_VARIANT (value)' failed | 21:34 |
| mal | so scene modes are all missing | 21:34 |
| T4 | <adampigg> Mal, qtmm bit not done yet | 21:37 |
| T4 | <adampigg> I have exposure and iso done so far | 21:38 |
| mal | ok | 21:38 |
| mal | iso is also empty, let me know when you have those done so I can test | 21:40 |
| T4 | <adampigg> Sure | 21:40 |
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