Thursday, 2018-11-15

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sledgesPSA: Sailfish OS community collaboration in just under a half-hour, /join #mer-meeting08:34
T4<adampigg> hmmm, how can /i join the meeting.....08:57
T4<adampigg> what have i done vknecht08:57
T4<abhishek_0> samyy_010101 stop it or you'll get banned09:46
T4<samyy_010101 (MISSING @USERNAME!> Sorry i dont noticed that this messages are public09:47
T4<abhishek_0> read the pin09:47
T4<abhishek_0> samyy_010101 setup a username09:48
T4<samyy_010101 (MISSING @USERNAME!> The 2 links in the description of the group want function09:49
T4<abhishek_0> what do you want to do?09:50
T4<samyy_010101 (MISSING @USERNAME!> Open the Links09:50
Mister_Magister@samyy_010101 if you could add username then you would stop spamming09:52
T4<abhishek_0> [Edit] Welcome to Sailfish OS Porters group,  … Some rules before you start: … - Dont use the direct reply feature as it does not look good on the IRC side, rather use @their_username if tg or just their nick if IRC … - Be nice to each other. … - Dont post screenshots/photos of terminal log. … - Use, or ha09:53 for logs. … - Dont ping people unless they are currently helping you with the issue. … - No Promotions allowed. … - If anyone hasn't replied to your issue, check group logs if someone had similar issue. … HADK:  … FAQ-HADK:
T4<abhishek_0> [Edit] Welcome to Sailfish OS Porters group,  … Some rules before you start: … - Dont use the direct reply feature as it does not look good on the IRC side, rather use @their_username if tg or just their nick if IRC … - Be nice to each other. … - Dont post screenshots/photos of terminal log. … - Use, or ha09:54 for logs. … - Dont ping people unless they are currently helping you with the issue. … - No Promotions allowed. … - If anyone hasn't replied to your issue, check group logs if someone had similar issue. … HADK:  … FAQ-HADK:
Mister_Magisternow this channel is full of spam :C09:55
T4<samyy_010101 (MISSING @USERNAME!> @Mister_Magister [@samyy_010101 if you could add username then y …], Ok hm i dont Know  how?09:57
r0kk3rzoh god09:58
Mister_Magisterr0kk3rz: xDDDDD10:00
locusfwhat a train wreck10:10
T4<abhishek_0> btw what happened to the Volte ? it was supposed to come with 3.010:17
Mister_Magister@abhishek_0 many features were supposed to come with 3.0 but almost none came. it was all just a lie. all the sfos3 features will be in sfos410:19
T4<abhishek_0> and all sfos4's features will be in sfos5 ?10:20
lbtMister_Magister: sfos 3 got released with some of the features that are planned for sfos 3.10:21
Mister_Magistersome but all sfos 3 features will be once sfos 3 ends and sfos 4 starts isnt that right?10:22
Mister_Magister this whole page is one big lie10:22
lbtMister_Magister: we've had this before - would you rather it had been released with some more features after christmas? maybe in spring?10:22
lbtor would you prefer "release early, release often" ?10:22
Mister_Magisterlbt: i dont quite get what you mean10:22
Mister_Magisterthis page lists sfos 3 features and is sfos 3 right? where are the features? this page lists sfos 4 features10:23
lbtI mean sfos 3 features will be worked on and released as we get them working10:23
r0kk3rzlbt: ordinarily id agree with you, but jolla decided to put big fanfare on this release10:23
Mister_Magisterthen dont say sfos 3 have all those features10:23
locusftheres pretty much nothing that goes to be enough for him10:23
Mister_Magistersay it doesnt10:23
Mister_Magisterr0kk3rz: this10:24
Mister_Magisterlocusf: you missed the point10:24
lbtMister_Magister: do you still get up at 1am and look under the tree for your christmas presents and then complain if there's no bicycle?10:24
Mister_Magisterlbt: what does that have to do with anything10:24
lbtMister_Magister: is sfos 3.1 still sfos 310:24
lbtyou can't have it all ways10:25
Mister_Magisterall the feautes jolla said sfos 3 will have is a lie. Sfos 4 will have them10:25
lbtyou either have us release things as and when we've done each bit or we hold off and release all at once10:25
Mister_Magisterthey wil be worked on during sfos 3 but sfos 3 wont have them all10:25
lbtand sfos 3 is more than just the first release10:25
lbtit's 3.0 and 3.1 and 3.2 and 3.3....10:25
r0kk3rzlbt: big release once year seems to work for everyone else10:26
lbtMister_Magister: yaya10:26
Mister_Magisterlbt: you are missing the point10:26
lbtyou got it10:26
lbt<Mister_Magister> they wil be worked on during sfos 3 but sfos 3 wont have them all10:26
lbtwooo hooo10:26
lbtI'll just fix it to be clearer10:26
lbt<Mister_Magister> they wil be worked on during sfos 3 but sfos 3***.0**** wont have them all10:26
lbtthere you go10:26
Mister_Magisterlbt: you are missing the point totally10:26
malMister_Magister: so are you10:26
lbtno you missed the point10:26
Mister_Magistermal: not really10:26
lbtand the .0 :)10:26
* lbt grins10:27
r0kk3rzlbt: so thats cool, but where does it say that in the marketing for sfos3, blog posts, customer facing things10:27
Mister_Magisterlbt: look at this page it lists sfos 3 features10:27
Mister_Magistersfos 3 doesnt have them10:27
Mister_Magistersfos 4 will have them10:27
lbtr0kk3rz: marketing ... srsly?10:27
Mister_Magisteronce sfos3 is dead10:27
T4<abhishek_0> but A feature A realease sounds slow10:27
T4<abhishek_0> lbt10:27
r0kk3rzlbt: you dont think the marketing is important?10:27
lbtMister_Magister: 3.99999999 will have them10:27
Mister_Magisterlbt: ye thanks but thats stil not the point10:27
Mister_Magistersfos 3.0 doesnt have them10:27
lbtr0kk3rz: yes - but it's not for you guys - you should appreciate how sw development and release works10:28
Mister_Magisterbut page says it dos10:28
r0kk3rzlbt: i do, and i mostly expected it to be like this, but the cognitive dissonance is sometimes quite amazing10:28
lbtr0kk3rz: marketing is important - of course ... but community cooperation isn't marketing10:28
Mister_Magistersomebody looks at sfos3 page thinks "cool i will have volte and android8" then install sfos and realises all of that was a lie10:28
Mister_Magisterand that he has to wait for sfos 4 for those features10:28
T4<abhishek_0> android releases come with what they promise ,, subreleases only make them better10:29
lbtMister_Magister: look if you just want to badmouth then feel free10:29
Mister_Magisterlbt: why you cant see the point10:29
r0kk3rzMister_Magister: you've made your point already, no need to repeat ad nauseum10:29
Mister_Magisterr0kk3rz: but some cant seem to get that10:29
T4<benzandsBot> @abhishek_0 [android releases come with what they promise , …], Well, Android 9.0 didn't have all features they promised to be in Android 9 :P10:30
lbtI thought we were pretty clear that features would come out during the lifetime of sfos 3 as opposed to all at once at the beginning10:30
r0kk3rzMister_Magister: you mistake understanding for agreeing, they are different things10:30
T4<abhishek_0> @benzandsBot like what ?10:30
T4<benzandsBot> Digital Wellbeing10:30
Mister_Magisterr0kk3rz: i dont i want people to understand my point10:30
Mister_Magisterlbt: constantly seems to not understand10:30
M4rtinKlbt: for the record, that's also how I understood it back then - that ~all of that would be delivered by the Q3 date mentioned on the page10:30
lbtabhishek_0 as noted many many times - google has more people working on the cleaning crew for a single building than we have in our entire company ... but it's nice that you think we're still in a similar league ;)10:31
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M4rtinKlbt: I remember thinking "hmm, they are really ambitious, kudos to them" and also "that's really something that could help revitalize Sailfish OS is they can pull it off"10:31
Mister_Magisterlbt: you are missing abhishek_0 and my point really10:31
lbtMister_Magister: I understand what you and M4rtinK are saying. You're saying that you expected 3.0 and then 4.010:32
malthis discussion is going nowhere, can we just stop10:32
M4rtinKso I also agree the messaging was unfortunate10:32
Mister_Magisterlbt: you see you dont understand10:32
lbtor maybe that 3.1 would have things not yet announced10:32
lbtwhereas we announced a set of features that would come out as and when we developed them10:32
lbtClearly that wasn't universally understood10:33
Mister_Magisterlbt: show me the line saying that here10:33
M4rtinKI can say how we do this in Fedora - we announce a set of changes for a release10:33
M4rtinKthen deffer some of them if it turns out they are not doable/got blocked by something10:33
M4rtinKnot saying this is useable for a commercial open/closed hibrid OS, but at least we don't have problems with users expecting something we are not going to do10:34
M4rtinKfor the given release10:34
lbtM4rtinK: also consider who the marketing material is really aimed at10:35
lbtit's not really end users10:35
DylanVanAsschelbt: Jolla's business customers10:35
lbtyes, and we're clear about our businiess strategy10:35
M4rtinKI would actually expect potential business partners getting confused in the same manner10:36
M4rtinKnot the ones you are working closely with of course10:36
Mister_MagisterM4rtinK: "oh cool they suppor volte we can get them" "err we dont support that" "but you said you…" "we dont you misunderstood"10:37
M4rtinKbut some potential future partners might hit the same expectation issues the community is having I'm afraid10:37
lbtM4rtinK: that's something we understand rather well and don't find in practice10:38
lbtthey have extremely different questions and issues10:38
lbtthere's clearly been an expectation that hasn't been met10:39
M4rtinKin any case I'm not saying current Sailfish OS 3 sucks - I like it very much & can see all the hard work, nice features and all the preparatory work going on (i do read *all* the changelogs every release)10:39
lbtby the community I mean10:39
lbtinsofar as we didn't deliver everything in 3.010:39
lbtActually here's something to think on....10:39
M4rtinKand I think me & the community just want to help Jolla aware of a problem with their messaging out of worry off all the unnecessary bad press they might get10:40
lbtin internal meetings we discussed holding back things from our 2.x releases just so we could add them to 3.0 to make it "look bigger" - we didn't.   Should we do that next time?10:40
Mister_Magisterlbt: thats not the point10:40
Mister_Magisteryou are missing the point totally10:40
lbtisn't it?10:40
lbtso you wanted us to just wait 9 months with no releases so you could have a large number of items in one go?10:41
Mister_Magisterno thats not the point either10:41
lbtor magically do 9 months of work in 1 month?10:41
Mister_Magisterthats not the point10:41
lbtor just not say anything about what's planne?10:41
Mister_Magistersee you missed our point totally10:41
lbtI hear "you gave us a list of features and they're not all there in 3.0"10:42
Mister_Magisterjust dont say that next update will have all those features. say it will have just some then add another in next updates10:42
lbtas I say ... I think the big confusion is that SFOS 3 is not 3.0 ... it's 3.0-3.x10:42
lbtand yes, that's not stated explicitly10:43
Mister_Magisterand sfos 3 page doesnt tell anything about that10:43
Mister_Magisternobody said what feautes will 3.0 update bring10:43
r0kk3rzjust let it go already10:43
lbtanyhow ... I've tried to expand on this with you ... but I really need to go do some work too :)10:43
Mister_Magisterr0kk3rz: as i see lbt finally realised i can let go10:43
lbtI'll see what I can do to say that more clearly in future10:44
Mister_Magisterlbt: +110:44
lbtie:    SFOS 3 is not 3.0 ... it's 3.0-3.x10:44
r0kk3rzMister_Magister: sometimes you just need to look at what you already wrote, and decide if you explained yourself clearly, and leave it at that10:45
Mister_Magisterr0kk3rz: probably i should10:45
T4<adampigg> mister_magister, tried #jolla-rants? its free to complain and everyone there will listen ;)11:02
Mister_Magister@adampigg what11:06
T4<adampigg> thisis for porting discussion, not ranting11:07
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T4<adampigg> anyone who has ever said glib is easier than qt, has clearly never used both GVariant and QVariant13:00
Mister_Magister@adampigg glib is nightmare13:10
Mister_Magister>gpointer aka you have array with god knows what with god knows what type and pointers to god knows what13:11
Mister_Magister@adampigg i have been working on morsender aka gtk libpurple with qt frontend so i kinda know whatcha mean13:12
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vknecht@adampigg : you've done good :-)  (android storage link, and video color fix)15:57
piggzmal: r0kk3rz: my new gst-droid and qtmm method is generally working18:02
malpiggz: you didn't rebase that gst-droid branch?18:06
piggzmal: there is time for that, or re-writing history18:09
piggzmal: how about i get it about right .... checkout a new branch, then merge/flatten into that?18:10
malwell rebase, and interactive rebase for combining te commit should be fine18:11
piggzmal: abranson: how is this for re-worked neatness?
r0kk3rzpiggz: i think your spaces arent white enough, could you make them more white?19:35
piggzr0kk3rz: actually they are perfect ... has to go through the gst-format pre-commit hook!!19:45
kimmoliis the warning intentended ?19:47
kimmolismells like debug19:48
malSailfish OS beta3 for Fairphone 2 is now available
malpiggz: the usual complain about commit naming :)20:04
kimmolithe [] in PR name does not end up in changelog20:06
malkimmoli: really?
malkimmoli: ah, misread20:11
malkimmoli: the commit message does, PR of course not20:12
steeeveThat repo is my inspiration20:18
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abransonpiggz: that looks a lot neater!20:50
T4<adampigg> Abranson, all been through the checker,  not sure how that line the pub now on 'loweswater gold' ;)20:59
T4<adampigg> I will rewrite it tomorrow when i take that debug line out20:59
kimmoliadded my comments to the PR21:25
mallooks like I have some issues with the latest code21:27
T4<adampigg> Mal?21:32
mal@adampigg [D] unknown:0 - Checking supported: QCameraExposure::ExposureHDR21:34
mal(harbour-advanced-camera:23763): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: 23:33:12.913: g_value_set_variant: assertion 'G_VALUE_HOLDS_VARIANT (value)' failed21:34
malso scene modes are all missing21:34
T4<adampigg> Mal, qtmm bit not done yet21:37
T4<adampigg> I have exposure and iso done so far21:38
maliso is also empty, let me know when you have those done so I can test21:40
T4<adampigg> Sure21:40
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