Saturday, 2020-08-22

T42Thapsus was added by: Thapsus07:19
T42<Thapsus> 656607:19
rinigusFor those familiar with OBS: we have to choose some project as a base. In case of suse obs, you can choose one of many distributions (suse, Debian). Alternative is to choose some project. Hence question: how is the worker image set up to be compatible with sfos?10:08
T42<kabouik> @elros34, someone tested qxcompositor on ProΒΉ and sees the cursor position being refreshed live10:56
T42<kabouik> So there's an issue with mine. I wonder if there could be a conflict with Illyria's qxdisplay10:56
T42<kabouik> But it's `qxcompositor` that I launched10:57
T42<elros34> maybe you still have old version. Compare qml files or ust reinstall latest from obs11:10
T42<elros34> just*11:10
T42<elros34> ah i forgot that we already made some test so that is not the issue11:11
T42<adampigg> Rinigus: 2 porters no longer inclined to continue porting on the back of obs shutdown :( ... I hope jolla listen14:06
rinigus@adampigg: can you name who?14:07
rinigusbut OBS absence will hit us hard and unless there is something as good, I will consider my options as well14:07
T42<adampigg> Well, not for me to say14:07
DylanVanAsscherinigus (IRC): I'm one of them, I will be moving on14:08
rinigusI guess they will come forward when the time is right14:08
rinigusDylanVanAssche: makes sense. where to, if you decided?14:09
DylanVanAsscherinigus (IRC): pmOS probably, keeps the options open in terms of DE and seems to have an easy to use build system.14:09
rinigusI started looking into build systems. do you have some link describing pmOS one?14:10
rinigusDylanVanAssche: pmOS for me is somewhat complicated - they don't have systemd. as a result, osm scout server autostart is not working :(14:11
DylanVanAssche<rinigus "I started looking into build sys"> Not a specific link but from a pmOS dev I got this:14:11
T42<adampigg> I feel Ill stick with sfos for now as im comitted to some ports14:11
DylanVanAsscherinigus (IRC): Ah Mobian is also nice, but I find the build system too complicated. Maybe not if I spend some time on it :D14:12
rinigus@adampigg: it doesn't have to be an immediate switch either. but considering what to do next. we could always argue that obs shutdown is force majeure though.14:13
rinigusbut maybe Jolla will reconsider, let's see what's there on monday.14:14
T42<adampigg> Yes, thats why im not deciding straight away14:14
rinigushowever, all looks very typical - completely misplaced and plastered announcement reminds of all these "open" and listening to community texts that we have been receiving for too long without much backing it14:15
rinigusDylanVanAssche: mobian has rather active community. but debian docs behind packaging do make it rather complicated. haven't found their build system yet14:16
rinigusOpenSUSE build service does look nice. and maybe nemo would benefit greatly from moving to it as it could be suddenly based on full linux distro14:17
rinigus... not clear how to hook sfos there, though14:18
rinigusDylanVanAssche: your pmOS build system link/text has not gone through14:19
T42<kabouik> I feel so sad about the impact of all this, seeing some of the most influent devs in the community moving on or considering it, this could be a turning point in SFOS history14:20
T42<kabouik> I know another dev/porter who announced it on his Github repository14:20
T42<kabouik> And another one who already kinda decided moving to Mobian before14:20
T42<kabouik> I am so attached to SFOS and its capabilities, despite some quirks14:21
DylanVanAsscherinigus (IRC): What me also concerns is the feedback from the community is ignored for a long time. I tolerated it, but this is another case where the community is left out of it. I looked already for some time into other alternatives and I wasn't going to run SFOS on my PinePhone anyway.14:21
DylanVanAsscheSome examples from the past: closed source components, design changes, lack of communication, etc.14:21
rinigusKabouik: if it is announced on github, who is it?14:23
riniguslooking in a bigger picture, it is already 2-3 active members in 24 h14:23
T42<adampigg> Rinigus, worth adding some of this feedback to the forum post?14:24
DylanVanAsscherinigus (IRC): `pmbootstrap build --strict <package name> # Host architecture `14:24
rinigus@adampigg: I think so. please add and voice the opinion.14:24
DylanVanAsscherinigus (IRC): pmbootstrap build --strict --arch aarch64 <package name> # cross compile aarch6414:25
T42<adampigg> Rinigus, could you,.i dont mind being named, but im on holiday, no laptop to hand14:25
T42<adampigg> Rinigus:14:26
T42<adampigg> :D14:26
rinigusDylanVanAssche: those are, unfortunately, expected outcomes and have been there for long, indeed. I follow mobian / pureos development a bit as my maps stack is used there as well.14:27
rinigusDylanVanAssche: that command looks like you have to do locally. maybe via CI. if all is good, you get to distribute it centrally on pmOS, I guess14:28
DylanVanAsscherinigus (IRC): Yeah I saw your nickname passing by some time ago :D14:28
DylanVanAsscherinigus (IRC): Yes, this is locally, but putting this into a CI doesn't seem to be that complicated I think (have14:28
DylanVanAsschehaven't done it though)14:29
rinigus@adampigg: didn't go through. but you are on vacation as well :)14:29
rinigusI somehow have a feeling nemo on top of opensuse + plasma mobile apps may actually work nicely. close enough to sfos to work on real hardware, full obs support, and active devs from plasma.14:33
DylanVanAsscherinigus (IRC): The pmOS dev I talked too is the guy who ported Nemo to pmOS14:33
rinigusI see, nice.14:35
T42<kabouik> Is the irc bridge broken? I don't see what I posted from irc here.14:35
T42<kabouik> Ok, works in that direction.14:35
DylanVanAsscheKabouik_ (IRC): I see messages from Rinigus from IRC, but not from you14:36
T42<kabouik> Weird, same. Yet they appear fine in my client. I'll just relaunch the program14:36
KabouikSo, I was saying "It's g7 rinigus"14:37
DylanVanAsscheKabouik (IRC): Now I see your message :)14:38
KabouikHe committed the announcement on github the day he heard about obs, but before was working on the sailfish-browser for Pinephone; so no coincidence imo14:38
T42<eugenio_g7> yup, can confirm :)14:39
rinigusthanks, rather pity14:39
KabouikYou made me sad @eugenio_g7, I hope you feel guilty >:(14:39
T42<eugenio_g7> sorry :(14:40
T42<kabouik> Illyria perverted you >.<14:40
T42<eugenio_g7> it's sad for me too, but I guess it's time to move on :)14:40
T42<eugenio_g7> ahahaha true that14:40
T42<kabouik> That'll be a very significant loss to the OS, but thanks for everything you did for it until now14:40
rinigus @eugenio_g7: don't think you should be sorry about - maybe just too much14:40
T42<eugenio_g7> @kabouik thanks! I'm sure our paths will cross again :D14:41
T42<kabouik> I don't know, I know all the quirks and limitations of SFOS, yet somehow am not sure about moving to Mobian or PmOS because there's no real visibility about how well it will work for daily use in the future on new devices. And I like my little SFOS + LXC to merge both of both worlds :'<14:42
T42<kabouik> Plus I'm no dev, but for the first time in years started to package things for SFOS a couple months ago, I felt useful finally :p14:43
T42<kabouik> (Photo, 1280x640) And well, yet I'm talking here from Debian LXC, so nothing 100% specific to SFOS really14:44
T42<eugenio_g7> rinigus: yea it was tongue-in-cheek, still disappointed though 😐14:44
T42<eugenio_g7> @kabouik nice!14:45
T42brimborisieren was added by: brimborisieren14:46
T42<brimborisieren> 040514:47
T42<kabouik> @edp_17 the command for setting time is timedatectl, not timectl, my bad14:50
T42<kabouik> It works on Debian, just have to find the appropriate arguments14:50
T42<kabouik> I assume you just need to set the correct timezone14:50
rinigus@eugenio_g7: disappointment is surely there. let's see how it will work out and probably, as linux mobile is tiny, we will work together on something. same with DylanVanAssche15:12
T42<eugenio_g7> yep! Looking forward to15:15
T42<adampigg> Not liking some of the tone in the thread now!15:33
vknechtthe "ballerinas" thing ?15:35
T42<adampigg> Aye15:38
malthat was quite strange way to react15:38
vknechtit's not giving due respect to ballerinas either...15:40
T42<kabouik> He surprised me too, I guess he was pissed that I didn't give the name straight away15:51
T42<kabouik> Just didn't want to make any mistake without consent, but now I regret even posting15:51
T42<adampigg> I guess similar to calling people snow flakes for not voting.brexit :D15:51
vknechtat least "snow flake" (or "rock star") is not sexist ;-)15:53
vknechtanyway, guess I'll really have to hurry to make 3.3 release, if ever... is still to take litterally today ? eg. latest dhd submodule... as of today, or really at 2020-05-04 ?15:59
vknechtor something in between ? :-)16:00
T42<elros34> I just updated one device today with latest dhd so it should be fine. I added it because of previous upgrade-3.2.1 branch switch which was required16:00
vknechtok thank you elros16:02
rinigus@adampigg: I presume that the author of that post is rather upset as well and people could react irrationally to such situation. maybe ignoring it and moving on is the best way. alternative is to ask to cool down16:15
T42<adampigg> Rinigus,.last post is interesting re github. Jolla already runs a gitlab service and migrated from github to it previously. I wonder why not gitlab, but,.i guess there is already quite some repos on gihub anyway.....but, git provider is not really the issue here16:18
T42<adampigg> You could host repos on my nas for all i care :D16:18
rinigus@adampigg: I think they want to get rid of sysadmin load. so, choice is then or github.com16:19
T42<adampigg> Yeah, sysadmin seems to be a driver16:19
* vknecht thinks it would have been good to de-couple obs issue from the rest/naming stuff16:19
rinigusit is a running cost ...16:19
rinigusvknecht: that thread is about obs - naming is just PR16:20
T42<kabouik> It looks a bit like a way to conceal the OBS thing actually16:21
vknechtcost... blabla... afaics we're just assuming... maybe some "partner" just doesn't like it being too open16:22
vknechtif community provides value, it's not a cost :-P16:22
riniguscoming back to obs alternatives - pmOS is using for building. how it works exactly, I don't know. from logs at it looks like gitlabCI could do. but don't know how the build is triggered16:36
DylanVanAsscherinigus (IRC): pmOS sourcehut building is only for the distributed packages, it doesn't have the 'home' feature of OBS for each user.16:42
DylanVanAsscherinigus (IRC): Yes! Really looking forward to work with you again!16:42
DylanVanAsscheSame for @eugenio_g716:42
malI would assume at least mainline based devices can benefit from the work of other distros also16:45
vknechtcheck your SoC's mainline support here ;-)
T42<kabouik> What the heck is happening in the thread?17:59
T42<kabouik> Is that me or is he right and I overdid it when I said "significant contributor" (which he later changed into his own words and accused me of inflating)17:59
rinigusKabouik: I don't think that you overdid it. now how to clean up the mess, keep it constructive, and to the point - is a question18:01
T42<kabouik> I honestly don't see how this turned into this, why so much anger18:11
T42<kabouik> I tried to stay calm but this probably worsened it18:11
T42<kabouik> Oh I guess he is assuming I'm the one who flagged his posts as spam.18:13
T42<kabouik> He even named his screenshots with my nickname in them. ._.18:13
T42<eugenio_g7> lol, that escalated quickly18:16
DylanVanAsscheI think I missed something πŸ˜› I don't see the screenshot and the thread here :D18:17
malvknecht: I know that page because I have been doing msm8974 stuff18:18
T42<kabouik> I don't know why I see the screenshots, they are indeed greyed out but still visible to me18:24
T42<kabouik> Those are just screenshots of his flagged posts18:24
T42<kabouik> With funny names as if I was the one who deleted the messages18:24
T42<kabouik> I have like 4 posts on SFOS forum. I wonder how I could have such permissions.18:25
malquite a mess that thread now18:25
T42<adampigg> Oh, what did i miss....18:27
T42<kabouik> I wonder, is szopin a porter or developer?18:27
T42<kabouik> Or is he a muggle like me?18:28
T42<kabouik> Oh wait, he was seeing me typing an answer and then posted twice in that time assuming I was lying to cover my initial post18:30
rinigusI suggest to skip replying to those messages, maybe it will blow over. or with the help of admin18:30
T42<kabouik> U_U18:30
T42<kabouik> I hadn't seen that in a long time.18:30
DylanVanAsscheOh I see the thread now πŸ˜€ Wow, way out of line! Discussions are fine but not this way18:31
rinigusnow I realized, I am missing the guy who was asking for refund. now he was funny in quite a few messages18:32
rinigusdon't remember a nickname though18:32
T42<kabouik> Dave18:32
T42<kabouik> Who suddenly vanished by the way, hope he's alive.18:32
DylanVanAsscheOh the refunds, I totally forgot that :D18:33
T42<kabouik> But Dave indeed had a sense of humor18:33
malI just wonder what he would consider significant contribution18:34
T42<eugenio_g7> he really took this thing to heart18:34
T42<kabouik> Yeah. g7 merely made SFOS work on a new phone, worked on the browser everyone wants to see being improving, to name a few.18:34
T42<adampigg> Im not even sure who he is?18:34
T42<kabouik> Lazy you @eugenio_g718:35
T42<kabouik> Apparently that was not enough for the hall of fame of significant contributors.18:35
T42<adampigg> @eugenio_g7 native x86 wouldnt be there without you ;)18:35
T42<kabouik> I've seen this nick for a long time Adam, but can't correlate to any post or app. TMO maybe? Not sure18:35
T42<eugenio_g7> hah, thank you guys, but legit I'm laughing my ass off seething his dedication18:37
T42<eugenio_g7> seeing*18:37
malI think people not in porter community might not really notice the work being done here18:38
T42<adampigg> Heh, tbf, im using his forum app atm!18:39
vknechtmal: i guessed you knew it, but it could be of use to other people ;-)18:42
rinigusback to subject: I may have skimmed it fast through build engines, but looks like OBS makes most sense to use. at least we know how to (mostly).18:46
rinigusmobian has its own server compiling few packages for them, rest comes from debian. don't think debian has some service available for external devs18:46
rinigusmaybe we can come up with gitlabci and uploading somewhere rpms, but it seems to be coding new obs like solution. something that has been done already18:47
T42<adampigg> Rinigus, i wonder how satisfying it would be tun run obs on a pi4 :D18:49
rinigus@adampigg: we need something central, I think. not fun to waste large amounts of time to config the beast18:50
rinigusas for p4, maybe it is OK for the worker. but jolla admins know better18:51
T42<adampigg> Rinigus: who has the best dsl between us18:51
rinigus... this is all assuming that jolla obs is going down :)18:52
T42<adampigg> Yes18:52
rinigusohhh, I have a connection. but speed is not great, price for living outside the city18:53
T42<adampigg> I wonder, could they keep the server and give community an admin role, that would reduce admin costs18:53
T42<adampigg> My connection is as fast as you can get in UK, 80mbps down, not sure about up18:54
rinigus@adampigg: I presume we need to wait till Monday to get any reasonable reply.18:56
T42<adampigg> Yes, just pondering options18:57
* attah sneaks in18:59
T42<adampigg> Attah: forgot to give.congrats19:00
T42<adampigg> We received bording passes as pdf....went to print from desktop (okular) and it just stopped on page 2 of 6....sent to myself on telegram, opened in seaprint, and it printed absolutely fine19:02
attahT42: Nice to hear!19:04
T42<adampigg> @adampigg ... T42 is the bot ;)19:04
T42<adampigg> Bloody newbies19:04
T42<adampigg> :D19:04
attahDamn Telegram hipsters ;)19:05
T42<adampigg> By the definition of hipster, it would be the irc user ;) ....,im only hipster as i still use cassette and mini disc19:11
malwow, that guy on the thread is not calming down19:13
attahpoint! Guilty as charged... *pats vinyl record player*19:13
malalways relevant
T42<adampigg> Man, im intrigued to the flagged posts now19:20
T42<adampigg> Mal, u still have git-svn-cvs gateway? :D19:21
attahoh, so now i own the access rights to those? xD19:21
* attah still wants to make clearcasehub, because the git CLI sucks19:22
T42<kabouik> You guys can't see the flagged posts?19:24
T42<kabouik> I can see them, perhaps because the tab is open and they were flagged after, so I still see the content greyed out19:24
T42<kabouik> I don't want to refresh, I'm afraid of missing19:24
T42<adampigg> Yeah, cant see 1845-185119:26
T42<adampigg> I wonder if someone should contact him directlt...but theyd probably get grief, and noone.needs that over such an issue!19:28
T42<kabouik> I sent him a reply through openrepos form, at this point I'm his only issue anyway19:31
T42<kabouik> Well Rinigus is starting to be within his radar too19:31
T42<kabouik> The problem is he might not consider my reply neutral, which is true, and ignore what I said. I tried to be respectful though, but to answer to his points there so that he doesn't feel like posting over and over in the thread.19:32
T42<adampigg> Good luck with that!19:45
T42<adampigg> Still angry, lots more flagged /o\19:54
vknechtIt's not even september...20:25

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