Monday, 2020-08-24

T42<adampigg> Hmm, illegal stuff on obs, would be better to point that out and correnct it rather than scrap it?07:21
T42<adampigg> As obs just builds, i wonder what it could be hosting bad07:22
rinigus@adampigg: I would classify this as speculation at this point. but note that we can upload precompiled rpms07:23
riniguslet's see what the official reply is07:23
rinigusmorning, btw07:23
T42<adampigg> Gm....the sun is hot in greece!07:24
T42<adampigg> I hope ppl arnt uploadibg AD or anything shitty like that07:24
T42<kabouik> What illegal stuff exactly? The "last updates" feed seems legit, and is up to 4 days old07:25
T42<adampigg> Still, education is key here, and guides should be plastered over the obs homepage07:25
T42<kabouik> Also, answer from Szopin on Openrepos: "Cool, thanks for nuanced reply, as I have deleted my jolla account won't be able to fix the shit on SFOS Forum, so..07:27
T42<kabouik> (It probably is still hidden anyway), but cool, thank You"07:27
T42<kabouik> He deleted his account. :|07:28
rinigusbut we don't really know whether that is a reason even. or do I misread monich reply? at least the start of the reply is not firm official response07:28
rinigus^ regarding legal aspect07:28
T42<kabouik> Also about attacks targeted at build environments (last post), OBS registration is not open and has to be confirmed by the Jolla staff if I remember correctly07:32
T42<kabouik> It doesn't prevent attacks, but should limit them I presume?07:32
rinigusagain, it is a speculation at this point. a valid concern, though07:38
T42<adampigg> @kabouik [He deleted his account. :|], Balerina devs, sheesh07:45
T42<kabouik> He still pushed updates on openrepos so I am hoping he was just pissed by the SFOS forum; but don't know how he'll find the motivation to maintain his forum app now07:46
monichrinigus: I'm not the one making decisions like shutting down obs, but I did complain when I had a chance :|08:34
monichand I will complain more when and if I have another chance08:35
rinigusmonich: thanks and please do. I hope we can find the solution that will work well08:36
rinigusbut to do so, we need to see the arguments. otherwise it is widely searching in the dark08:37
KabouikIs there an IRC channel for the Pinephone where I could check if the CE will be restocked?08:39
Kabouikrinigus, would the alternative described in the link posted by Firefox84 work for SFOS ports?08:39
DylanVanAsscheKabouik (IRC): PinePhone CE will probably get another round, question is when...08:40
DylanVanAsscheI suggest that you watch the blog: they announce such things there08:40
T42<kabouik> Thanks. Sadly I was on the verge on ordering one last week when it was still in stock, and decided to wait for the August salary before doing so. Bad decision. :<08:41
rinigusKabouik: I opened it and found description of the system, but didn't look further. again, we don't know yet for certain whether obs is closing or if it is considered. so, preferred to use time by hacking angelfish08:42
DylanVanAsscheKabouik (IRC): Yeah it went out of stock really recently... They will restock I think in a couple of weeks/months with another OS08:42
KabouikRight, they seem to change OS each time. I was really interested in the PmOS flavour though, I shouldn't have hesitated.08:43
KabouikI know I could certainly flash something else though, it will just change the logo.08:43
DylanVanAsscheKabouik (IRC): I ordered the 3GB one when it came out :D08:43
KabouikI was looking at it for quite some time and just because it was in stock for several weeks, I thought I had time. Stupid thinking.08:44
KabouikNow I only hope they make a version with even more RAM so I stop regretting. :>08:45
DylanVanAsscheKabouik (IRC): 3GB one is the hardware limit :D08:46
KabouikOh, Ok.08:47
T42Anna %lastname% was added by: Anna %lastname%09:22
T42<Anna %lastname%> 708009:23
T42<edp_17> @kabouik [@edp_17 the command for setting time is timeda …], Thank you!09:25
T42<adampigg> Monich: is there evidence of suspect packages hosted on obs?10:17
monichadampigg: I haven't heard anything specific. money may be playing the role too. and like I said, I'm not involved in making this sort of decisions but I do voice my objections when I have a chance. let's hope that these objections are heard. and I'm not in a position to make any official statements.11:33
T42<adampigg> Monich: thx for trying and voicing concerns11:46
r0kk3rzthanks monich12:26
rinigusthanks monich for your help and giving some background.13:16
T42<adampigg> (Voice, 0s)
T42<Anna %lastname%> Hey everyboy ! Mi greetings to all :) I have a query whether exist an  integrated SIP protocol implementation in the OS and if exists  , if there is RFC 3261 implemantation ,sip over tls , also if you can use docker or other containirising/isolation techniques for managing voip calls ( provided that sip implementation exist.)13:57
T42I am aware about s1p but its more than a separe app , not integration )13:57
T42<edp_17> Hi Anna: afaik there is no sip integration yet. You can check out more about it here:
T42<Anna %lastname%> cool , ty  4 your reply, I will chck !14:02
T42<adampigg> There is app on openrepos callred s1p14:05
T42<kabouik> @elros34 your Lipstick patch and qt5 plugin work perfectly for me on ProΒΉ running Awesome work, it's a joy to see it in action.14:08
T42<kabouik> I like the icon too (but maybe if HDMI-out is a thing one day, it would be more straightforward to use a regular cursor so it is a bit more precise and feels really like a desktop system),14:09
T42<edp_17> @kabouik: are you talking about the qt5-plugin-generic-evdev-5.6.3+git17.1+evdevmouse.
T42<edp_17> How did you manage to get a cursor in Lipstick?14:10
T42<kabouik> qt5-plugin-generic-evdev-5.6.3+git17.1+evdevmouse.
T42<kabouik> And Elros did a Lipstick patch, you can find it on his OBS profile. Just install it, then enable it in Patchmanager314:11
T42<elros34> icon change will be trivial if there is some source for it. Now i use just qml rectangle with radius.14:11
T42<kabouik> We're so close to having Linux_chroot or LXC on as ultra-portable NUCs. :<14:12
T42<kabouik> I took the liberty to post the results of this in the "External mouse support" issue I had opened at the ProΒΉ port @elros34, let me know if you want me to edit; I realize maybe this is still WIP14:14
T42<edp_17> @kabouik: Where from can I get the qt5-plugin-generic-evdev-5.6.3+git17.1+evdevmouse. I only have the ...20200817221810... version and this is what I see in Elros' OBS repo.14:15
T42<kabouik> Same release, same repo @edp_17, the rpm was updated14:16
T42<kabouik> On Github14:16
T42<kabouik> On OBS you need mousetracker14:16
T42<elros34> I couldnt build it at obs so here it is:
T42<edp_17> Oh, okay. Thanks! πŸ‘14:16
T42<edp_17> I guess the mousetracker in OBS is the patch for Lipstick.14:19
T42<elros34> there is one issue: you can't unlock screen with only mouse but you can switch to homescreen/events with middle button14:19
T42<kabouik> Yes I noticed that14:19
T42<kabouik> But SFOS has this option to leave the display on when connected to a charger, which prevents autolock14:20
T42<kabouik> So if you use a USB hub with the charger, that works14:20
T42<kabouik> Yes @edp_1714:20
T42<edp_17> @kabouik: Haven't you experienced battery drain issues? On my treltexx, since I use Elros' qtbase and cursor rpms the battery is draining rapidly. I thought it was because of the conky I installed on SID, but I got the same issue when switched conky off. Now, I removed the qtbase and cursor rpms to see whether the battery usage is back14:23
T42 to normal.14:23
T42<kabouik> Yes we discussed that, I have battery issues since a few weeks too, but in my case I don't think it's related to Elros' rpms. I only had installed qxcompositor on this device, which I still didn't use for Debian Sid because the cursor was not updated live; so I stuck to qxdisplay.14:25
T42<kabouik> So qxcompositor was installed but not running.14:25
T42<kabouik> The qt5 plugin was only installed on my other device14:25
T42<edp_17> Yeah, it might not relate to those rmps, it could be a coincidence. 😊 I am testing with and without them to find out more. πŸ‘14:27
T42<elros34> unlikely14:32
T42<edp_17> Thanks confirming. I'll try to dig somewhere else.14:47
T42<adampigg> Rinigus: good call replying to veskuh ... Dissapointing to not get a reply today16:00
T42<edp_17> @kabouik: Do you have an rpm of the16:09
T42<edp_17> mousetracker-lipstick-patch, please? πŸ˜„16:09
T42<elros34> it's here:
T42<joan0245> πŸ˜‡πŸ˜‡I just got paid again.....I ignored at first.16:22
T42<joan0245> But the company has really proved me wrong,I could have been a millionaire if I had trusted this company earlier. 😌😌16:22
T42<joan0245> It's never too late though.16:22
T42<joan0245>  This is no joke. I have Tested them and I trust them! πŸ’―16:22
rinigus@adampigg: I was surprised with not getting reply today. somehow I've got an impression that the discussion will continue in the thread ASAP from the messages with maajussi during the meeting16:51
T42<adampigg> Rinigus: in my experience, bad news is always sent out on a, if not heard by thurdsay..... !16:51
rinigus... we better start looking for new service :)16:52
rinigus@adampigg: legal aspects of suse obs:
rinigusto me it looks like sailfish is no go there, but nemo should be just fine16:54
T42<adampigg> Rinigus: thats to use their difficult is hosting own obs (also with dissalowed packages)16:56
rinigus@adampigg: yes, that is for use of theirs. as for setting up our own, I don't know.16:57
rinigusdon't forget we would need then compile farm and something distributing packages.16:58
rinigusin this case, we may want to look for alternatives. there was a link in THE thread regarding  openstack solution, but I haven't looked into it16:58
rinigusmal also mentioned that making repo is relatively simple. so that could be combined, in principle, with gitlab CI. as soon as we have server for distribution17:00
rinigusjust prefer to make it all through automatic systems and focus on the code instead17:01
T42<adampigg> Yup17:02
T42<adampigg> Gitlab ci + openrepos or similar might work, but only if its simple and works...the last thing we need to be dealing with is build system quirks, while trying to maintain ports and apps17:05
malrinigus: a repo is just what create_repo does in platform sdk during local build, the local repo is completely valid for remote use also17:05
T42<adampigg> Mal: how to handle automatic builds when dependencies change17:08
malnot sure17:08
maloutside OBS it might not be very simple17:09
T42<edp_17> Thanks @elros34. I thought the mousetracker and mousetracker-lipstick-patch were different. πŸ˜‚18:41
T42<elros34> maybe I should change name :)18:42
T42<kabouik> Too bad the hdmi output thing is compiled and can't be done with a patch similarly19:15
T42<kabouik> That would be sexy19:15
T42<meierrom> @adampigg: s1p is closed source tho.20:13
r0kk3rzi wonder if we can ask them to transfer the OBS to community ownership22:54
r0kk3rzif they dont want to host it, fine22:54
T42<edp_17> I guess there is cost side of that hosting. However, we could set up a pot where to all OBS user can contribute equally. Then from that pot the hosting could be paid. 😊 Or this is not how it works?23:08
r0kk3rzsomething like that yeah23:09
r0kk3rzfor reference it used to be community owned under mer project23:09
T42<edp_17> Or (as last resort) we can ask Jolla to rather decommissioning OBS, create a pot where the users can contribute into. πŸ˜„23:35
r0kk3rzit sounds like the issue isnt money, its that they dont want to host it and be legally responsible for it23:36
T42<edp_17> I see.23:37
T42<edp_17> What's their problem with the legal responsibility? Is there some illegal stuff in there?23:44
r0kk3rzi dont think so23:48
r0kk3rzits more a hypothetical risk23:48
T42<kabouik> Have you tried mousetracker in AD @elros34? I just did out of curiosity in a cloud computing app, and I think clicks are not registered (but hovering works).23:48

Generated by 2.17.1 by Marius Gedminas - find it at!