Saturday, 2022-08-06

voidanix[m]@Umeaman : Z3 tablet right? There's a nougat branch in the repos01:30
T42<Umeaman> What repo? (re @SailfishFreenodeIRCBridgeBot: <voidanix[m]>@Umeama...)09:01
T42<Verevka86> Work good for hybrid 18.1 👍09:58
T42<system> file too big to download (714271453 > allowed size: 2000000)09:58
T42<Verevka86> Forwarded from Verevka86:09:58
T42<Verevka86> Waydroid hybris-18.1, work good -
ThaodanDon't post zip files into the channel or the bridge tries to download it.10:20
ThaodanI will not distribute any blobs her.e10:21
T42<Verevka86> Sorry10:25
T42<Umeaman> If only Wayback Machine could let me download the modem fix for Android 6.0 that Nokius made. Without it I can't flash Sailfish to it. I guess I can build it using the sfbootstrap script.12:05
T42<Umeaman> I failed to build AOSP 6.0 and AOSP 6.0.1 even though I followed the instructions from the Sony website.12:07
Thaodanpink nokuis on twitter maybe12:09
T42<Umeaman> Yes, but he removed it from his server.12:10
T42<Umeaman> The hypervisor is down.12:10
T42<Umeaman> So I can't retrieve it.12:11
T42<Umeaman> I can see it, but I cannot retrieve it.12:11
ThaodanWayback machine doesn't keep big data I think.12:11
ThaodanIts easier if its just a patch.12:12
T42<Umeaman> I know.12:14
ThaodanCan you find just the patch?12:16
T42<bouic> The browser was working fine in the port I'm using (devel image for Pro1x), but suddenly it can't resolve anything; with sailfish-browser as well as with harbour-webcat. It does have working internet connection and can ping, just can't resolve I believe.12:59
T42<bouic> I don't know what I did that may have changed that12:59
T42<bouic> It basically was working, and 2 min later it wasn't. Has anyone already experienced that on any SFOS port?13:00
T42<Umeaman> Finally I found an AOSP working installation, but I cannot be sure if Sailfish will install on top of it since it's Android 7 (which this device not officially supports if you check the sonyxperiadev repo).14:05
voidanix[m]@Umeaman: , you probably already found it though14:08
T42<Umeaman> Yes, I just thought that the instructions saying that it only supports Android up to 6.0.1, not including 7.0 (re @SailfishFreenodeIRCBridgeBot: <voidanix[m]>@Umeama...)14:17
T42<Umeaman> @voidanix[m]
T42<Umeaman> That states that it can only be upgraded to 6.0.1 at most.14:18
T42<Umeaman> Which seems odd if the repo says otherwise.14:18
voidanix[m]i can't find shinano in the local_manifest for nougat though14:25
T42<Umeaman> I know AOSP is adaptable, but aren't there limitations to what the hardware can handle?15:09
ThaodanNo just what blobs you get17:07
EleventhLasti'm back and i have a problem17:10
EleventhLastRPM build errors:     File not found: /home/eleventh/hadk/installroot/default.prop17:10
T42<Umeaman> Check if it's there then. (re @SailfishFreenodeIRCBridgeBot: <EleventhLast>RPM bu...)17:39
T42<Umeaman> And are there blobs for scorpion for 7? No. (re @SailfishFreenodeIRCBridgeBot: <Thaodan>No just wha...)17:52
T42<Umeaman> So, this does not help.17:52
T42<TheVancedGamer> @Umeaman Please don't tag the IRC side of messages, instead tag their nick.17:56
T42<Umeaman> Yes, but I'm using Telegram atm.17:57
T42<TheVancedGamer> So am I17:57
ThaodanSame on telegram17:57
T42<TheVancedGamer> doing like 'nick on IRC: message'17:57
ThaodanReplies on irc need IRCv3 draft/reply to worj17:58
Mister_Magisterand we on irc have no issue with tagging via @Mister_Magister17:59
T42<Mister_Magister> mister_magister: so you should have no issue with tagging irc as well17:59
T42<TheVancedGamer> You just pinged yourself?17:59
NicoWorks fine from matrix too usually, Mister_Magister ;p18:00
T42<Mister_Magister> two times18:00
T42<Mister_Magister> yes18:00
T42<Mister_Magister> just be nice towards people on all sides18:00
Mister_Magisterand IRC is superior anyway18:00
T42<TheVancedGamer> I should disable replies on telegram side18:01
NicoNah, you are just using a bad bridge...18:01
* Nico hides18:01
T42<Mister_Magister> don't think you can (re @TheVancedGamer: I should disable rep...)18:02
T42<TheVancedGamer> python and telethon exists18:03
T42<Mister_Magister> what do you mean18:03
T42<Mister_Magister> not to mention when i just write on telegram i ping myself on irc (re @TheVancedGamer: You just pinged your...)18:03
ThaodanYou can disable them in the bridge but you can't them on the telegram side18:05
Mister_Magisterwhat we need to fix is bridge forwarding deleted messages18:05
T42<Mister_Magister> I guess people are like "just pick a damn platform and stop switching"18:06
Mister_Magisterand yet i'm constantly switching anyway xd18:06
ThaodanAgain we can't add a delay, in any case a delay is just baiting for a race condition.18:07
ThaodanBut this is about replies not about forwarded messages18:07
Mister_Magisteryeah but replies are not much of an issue, bigger issue is spam being forwarded from telegram when we have none of it on telegram18:10
T42<Umeaman> Why can't Sailfish OS be backwards compatible?18:13
Mister_Magisterbecause jolla manages sailfishos18:14
Mister_Magisterand jolla decided so18:14
T42<Umeaman> So that means that SFOS is just free to 99% then?18:15
T42<Umeaman> Free as in Freedom.18:15
T42<Umeaman> You are referring to the usage of vendor blobs?18:15
NicoIsn't Sailfish backwardscompatible (if you use the tiny subset of harbour allowed APIs)?18:15
Mister_MagisterNico: its not tho18:18
Mister_Magistereven if you use harbour APIs they change18:18
NicoSure, but usually those have deprecation notices and usually don't change willy nilly18:19
ThaodanWhat do you mean by backwards compatible?18:19
ThaodanFrom hal or from app pov is a totaly different story.18:20
ThaodanWe have pre 4.4 kernels in use it hardly can get any better or worse depending on your pov18:20
Mister_Magisterwell from hal it's mostly backwards compatible ye18:21
Mister_Magisteronly rarely you need to update smth18:21
Thaodanits almost to good sometimes, old kernels are a burden.18:23
Nico"Can we have wireguard in Sailfish now?"18:24
Mister_MagisterThaodan: i want my g2 to last for next 10 years!18:24
ThaodanNico: Go backport XD, we might as well import some rel patches Mister_Magister18:25
Mister_MagisterThaodan: i mean it's working so far18:25
NicoWhy can't the world just be nice and a modern kernel useable on all weird devices...18:26
ThaodanWe go the other way around hack some ABI together and pray it works. Anything else just gets LTS kernels that are support for like 2-3 Android versions18:27
ThaodanCan't have that Qcom actuall posts stuff upstream18:27
NicoI mean, I appreciate the work that goes into that, but I wish it wouldn't have to be necessary :D18:28
ThaodanAnd we only had to carry some device patches and not just whole subsystems that don't exist in mainline.18:28
ThaodanNico: I think it is pretty much about attitude and not just and forget source code releases.18:29
NicoYeah, I know18:29
NicoI will still complain though ._.18:29
ThaodanPlease do so18:32
Mister_Magister[20:26] <Nico> Why can't the world just be nice and a modern kernel useable on all weird devices...18:33
Mister_Magisterbecause there's google18:33
Mister_Magisterand industiral revolution18:33
Mister_Magisterand consumerism18:33
Mister_Magisterand people, and agricultural revolution18:33
* Nico mumbles something about capitalism, roots and evil18:33
Mister_MagisterNico: need i say more18:33
T42<Umeaman> In terms of freedom overall and that the phone isn't outdated after 2 days, what phone should I consider to use SFOS in? I was thinking about purchasing the Sony Xperia 10 III as I've seen it in the shop, but I haven't seen it with Sailfish in it.18:34
Mister_MagisterWell sfos allows you to own the phone which is nice in terms of freedom18:35
T42<Umeaman> Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaatoooooooraaaaaaaaade! :) (re @SailfishFreenodeIRCBridgeBot: <Nico>mumbles someth...)18:35
Mister_Magisteryou want root? sure go ahead18:35
Mister_Magisteralso i haven't reinstalled my moto g2 in 6 years18:35
NicoYeah, it is pretty nice that it is my choice to break stuff!18:35
Mister_Magisteri've been updating it ever since sfos 218:35
ThaodanAny modern Sony is good.18:36
T42<Umeaman> I have the XZ Premium, XA2........ XA2 has become sluggish.18:36
ThaodanEven XA2 should still work good but kernel is very old, new features that come from kernel level might not work.18:36
EleventhLastthis file is not there, the assembly is based on lineage 17.118:36
NicoMy X compact is developing weird bugs nowadays, but... it still works! :D18:37
EleventhLastвсе условия по сборке были соблюдены18:37
EleventhLastall assembly conditions were met18:37
T42<Umeaman> Otherwise I'm thinking about Pinephone.18:38
T42<Umeaman> If only they could release a flagship model.18:38
Thaodanits good but kinda beta since it's mainline.18:38
ThaodanSome stuff is just not handled completly, stuff that is done right now by the vendor blobs.18:39
Thaodan(not just on sfos)18:39
T42<Umeaman> Which of the newer tablets have a working SFOS running today? I don't really trust the wiki as it rarely gets updated.18:39
T42<Umeaman> A8 ?18:39
ThaodanNo idea18:39
Mister_Magister@Umeaman don't buy pinephone18:39
Mister_Magisterpinephone is not for end user18:40
T42<Umeaman> @Mister_Magister Give me pros and cons, please.18:40
T42<Umeaman> I know..... I'18:40
T42<Umeaman> I know..... I'm not really an end user persay. (edited)18:40
T42<Umeaman> I know..... I'm not really an end user per say. (edited)18:40
Mister_Magister@Umeaman pros: you can do whatever you want as a developer, it's developer's playground so we can for example develop sfos on mainline for it to be ready for actual phones on mainline like oneplus 6. cons: super slow super unstable, specs are shit, camera is shit, case is literally put together the cheapest way possible because it's not for end user its for developers18:41
Mister_Magisteryou can count issues for days18:41
T42<Umeaman> Ooooooh. What comes closest to freedom compaired to that then?18:42
Mister_Magisterscreen flickering, camera being basically lightyears behind, battery life tragic, performance tragic, gpu tragic, case tragic, build quiality tragic18:42
Mister_Magister@Umeaman define freedom18:42
T42<Umeaman> Not needing any proprietary blobs and stuff.18:42
Mister_Magisterphones with mainline18:42
T42<Umeaman> Such as?18:43
Mister_Magistergoogle it18:43
T42<Umeaman> Name one example.18:43
Mister_MagisterI know of oneplus 618:43
Mister_MagisterI don't know if it has sfos tho18:43
Mister_Magisterbut it does have mainline18:43
ThaodanXperias have limited mainline. But it is nothing worth sofies.18:43
EleventhLasterror: File not found: /home/eleventh/hadk/installroot/default.prop18:43
EleventhLastthis file does not exist. what should i do?18:43
Mister_Magisteryou basically want some phone on top snapdragon since 83518:43
ThaodanIt's postmarket18:43
T42<Umeaman> Wow!
Mister_Magisterthey have XBL and normal efi so easy to mainline18:44
ThaodanThe issue is that ofono can't deal with qcom modems on it's own18:44
Thaodan(with the recent at least)18:44
Mister_Magistercan't you just make ofono plugin18:45
Thaodanofono needs to support qnmi and so on18:46
Thaodanso no idea18:46
Thaodanslava knows best18:46
Mister_Magisterdoesn't nemo run on mainline now18:46
Mister_Magisterand don't they also use ofono18:46
* Mister_Magister gimme sec18:46
T42<Mister_Magister> @NotKit you know?18:47
T42<Umeaman> Where you talking about Project Treble for instance?18:49
T42<Umeaman> I just read about it.18:49
Mister_Magisternobody was talking about treble here18:50
Mister_Magisternot at least past 2h18:50
T42<Umeaman> Maybe using Replicant can be an alternative. I don't know how many devices it supports though.18:54
T42<Umeaman> Are Librem phones any good?18:58
EleventhLastI understand that no one can help me here.19:00
T42<Umeaman> Do you have full output to show? Paste to (re @SailfishFreenodeIRCBridgeBot: <EleventhLast>I unde...)19:01
T42<TheVancedGamer> I think I told you *not* to tag IRC :p19:02
T42<Umeaman> Darn it!19:02
Mister_Magister@Umeaman Replicant is literally android you can stay on stock android and it will be literally the same19:04
T42<Umeaman> EleventhLast: Stay tuned, someone might know how to fix it........ Maybe not the next 5 minutes, but in time. Remember that we live in different timezones.19:06
T42<Umeaman> <Mister_Magister>Without the blobs though.19:07
Mister_Magister@Umeaman highly doubt it19:07
Mister_Magisterlets check the FAQ19:08
Mister_MagisterWhile Replicant is a fully free system, other components run aside the system, such as bootloaders, firmwares and the modem operating system (if applicable). These components are usually proprietary software.19:08
Mister_Magisteryeap, you're wrong19:08
T42<Umeaman> EleventhLast: It seems to me that you haven't fixed the warnings and then rebuilt.19:08
T42<Umeaman> <Mister_Magister>: Replicant is a free operating system (OS) based on the Android mobile platform that aims to replace all proprietary Android components with free-software counterparts.19:09
Mister_Magisterdoesn't change anything19:09
Mister_Magisterread the FAQ19:09
Mister_Magisterand it doesn't disprove what i said and copied from FAQ19:09
T42<Umeaman> OK. My bad.19:11
T42<Umeaman> Sorry.19:11
EleventhLastUmeaman: I changed the config following the instructions. but not all settings applied19:12
Mister_MagisterI mentioned mainline so many times because it's mutually exclusive with blobs19:13
Mister_Magisteryou cannot have blobs with mainline and you cannot have mainline with blobs19:13
Mister_MagisterMainline forces everything except qcom's secure boot stack to be opensource19:14
T42<elros34> EleventhLast why don't you search in channel logs yourself? Yous hould aknow how to do this already default.prop shows solution in first result19:37
deathmist1Mister_Magister: well technically you can have blob drivers on mainline as well, platforms with PowerVR GPUs come to mind since there isn't really an alternative for now (e.g. Samsung Galaxy Tab 2)20:25
T42<bouic> Any pointer on how to investigate why vibrator doesn't work on a port? I'm not sure where to start22:21
T42<bouic> Keyboard backlight was not working, and turns out it was a really simple thing, so I'm secretely hoping it could be the same for vibratioin.22:22
T42<elros34> start with checking what kind of driver your device use. If memless then evdev_trace will show you supported effects otherwise it's sysfs22:51
T42<bouic> That's memless apparently:
T42<bouic> The device is a Pro1x, not Pro122:54
T42<elros34> nothing memless related so it's sysfs, probably /sys/class/timed_output22:59

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