| voidanix[m] | @Umeaman : Z3 tablet right? There's a nougat branch in the repos | 01:30 |
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| T42 | <Umeaman> What repo? (re @SailfishFreenodeIRCBridgeBot: <voidanix[m]>@Umeama...) | 09:01 |
| T42 | <Verevka86> Work good for hybrid 18.1 👍 | 09:58 |
| T42 | <system> file waydroid-18.1.zip too big to download (714271453 > allowed size: 2000000) | 09:58 |
| T42 | <Verevka86> Forwarded from Verevka86: | 09:58 |
| T42 | <Verevka86> Waydroid hybris-18.1, work good - https://github.com/UbuntuTouch-vayu/waydroid_11/releases/tag/1.0 | 10:02 |
| Thaodan | Don't post zip files into the channel or the bridge tries to download it. | 10:20 |
| Thaodan | I will not distribute any blobs her.e | 10:21 |
| Thaodan | here | 10:21 |
| T42 | <Verevka86> Sorry | 10:25 |
| T42 | <Umeaman> If only Wayback Machine could let me download the modem fix for Android 6.0 that Nokius made. Without it I can't flash Sailfish to it. I guess I can build it using the sfbootstrap script. | 12:05 |
| T42 | <Umeaman> I failed to build AOSP 6.0 and AOSP 6.0.1 even though I followed the instructions from the Sony website. | 12:07 |
| Thaodan | pink nokuis on twitter maybe | 12:09 |
| T42 | <Umeaman> Yes, but he removed it from his server. | 12:10 |
| T42 | <Umeaman> The hypervisor is down. | 12:10 |
| T42 | <Umeaman> So I can't retrieve it. | 12:11 |
| T42 | <Umeaman> I can see it, but I cannot retrieve it. | 12:11 |
| Thaodan | Wayback machine doesn't keep big data I think. | 12:11 |
| Thaodan | Its easier if its just a patch. | 12:12 |
| T42 | <Umeaman> I know. | 12:14 |
| T42 | <Umeaman> https://web.archive.org/web/20210327190546/https://nokius.net/SFOS/scorpion/AOSP/ | 12:14 |
| Thaodan | Can you find just the patch? | 12:16 |
| T42 | <bouic> The browser was working fine in the port I'm using (devel image for Pro1x), but suddenly it can't resolve anything; with sailfish-browser as well as with harbour-webcat. It does have working internet connection and can ping, just can't resolve I believe. | 12:59 |
| T42 | <bouic> I don't know what I did that may have changed that | 12:59 |
| T42 | <bouic> It basically was working, and 2 min later it wasn't. Has anyone already experienced that on any SFOS port? | 13:00 |
| T42 | <Umeaman> Finally I found an AOSP working installation, but I cannot be sure if Sailfish will install on top of it since it's Android 7 (which this device not officially supports if you check the sonyxperiadev repo). | 14:05 |
| voidanix[m] | @Umeaman: https://github.com/sonyxperiadev/device-sony-scorpion/tree/n-mr1 , you probably already found it though | 14:08 |
| T42 | <Umeaman> Yes, I just thought that the instructions saying that it only supports Android up to 6.0.1, not including 7.0 (re @SailfishFreenodeIRCBridgeBot: <voidanix[m]>@Umeama...) | 14:17 |
| T42 | <Umeaman> @voidanix[m] https://www.sony.co.uk/electronics/support/articles/SX243901 | 14:18 |
| T42 | <Umeaman> That states that it can only be upgraded to 6.0.1 at most. | 14:18 |
| T42 | <Umeaman> Which seems odd if the repo says otherwise. | 14:18 |
| voidanix[m] | i can't find shinano in the local_manifest for nougat though | 14:25 |
| voidanix[m] | hmmmmm | 14:25 |
| T42 | <Umeaman> I know AOSP is adaptable, but aren't there limitations to what the hardware can handle? | 15:09 |
| Thaodan | No just what blobs you get | 17:07 |
| EleventhLast | i'm back and i have a problem | 17:10 |
| EleventhLast | RPM build errors: File not found: /home/eleventh/hadk/installroot/default.prop | 17:10 |
| T42 | <Umeaman> Check if it's there then. (re @SailfishFreenodeIRCBridgeBot: <EleventhLast>RPM bu...) | 17:39 |
| T42 | <Umeaman> And are there blobs for scorpion for 7? No. (re @SailfishFreenodeIRCBridgeBot: <Thaodan>No just wha...) | 17:52 |
| T42 | <Umeaman> So, this does not help. | 17:52 |
| T42 | <TheVancedGamer> @Umeaman Please don't tag the IRC side of messages, instead tag their nick. | 17:56 |
| T42 | <Umeaman> Yes, but I'm using Telegram atm. | 17:57 |
| T42 | <TheVancedGamer> So am I | 17:57 |
| Thaodan | Same on telegram | 17:57 |
| T42 | <TheVancedGamer> doing like 'nick on IRC: message' | 17:57 |
| Thaodan | Replies on irc need IRCv3 draft/reply to worj | 17:58 |
| Thaodan | work | 17:58 |
| Mister_Magister | and we on irc have no issue with tagging via @Mister_Magister | 17:59 |
| T42 | <Mister_Magister> mister_magister: so you should have no issue with tagging irc as well | 17:59 |
| T42 | <TheVancedGamer> You just pinged yourself? | 17:59 |
| Nico | Works fine from matrix too usually, Mister_Magister ;p | 18:00 |
| T42 | <Mister_Magister> two times | 18:00 |
| T42 | <Mister_Magister> yes | 18:00 |
| T42 | <Mister_Magister> just be nice towards people on all sides | 18:00 |
| Mister_Magister | and IRC is superior anyway | 18:00 |
| T42 | <TheVancedGamer> I should disable replies on telegram side | 18:01 |
| Nico | Nah, you are just using a bad bridge... | 18:01 |
| * Nico hides | 18:01 | |
| T42 | <Mister_Magister> don't think you can (re @TheVancedGamer: I should disable rep...) | 18:02 |
| T42 | <TheVancedGamer> python and telethon exists | 18:03 |
| T42 | <Mister_Magister> what do you mean | 18:03 |
| T42 | <Mister_Magister> not to mention when i just write on telegram i ping myself on irc (re @TheVancedGamer: You just pinged your...) | 18:03 |
| T42 | <Mister_Magister> https://irc.thaodan.de/.imgstore/17f5ee27/file_3815.jpg | 18:03 |
| Thaodan | You can disable them in the bridge but you can't them on the telegram side | 18:05 |
| Mister_Magister | what we need to fix is bridge forwarding deleted messages | 18:05 |
| T42 | <Mister_Magister> I guess people are like "just pick a damn platform and stop switching" | 18:06 |
| Mister_Magister | and yet i'm constantly switching anyway xd | 18:06 |
| Thaodan | Again we can't add a delay, in any case a delay is just baiting for a race condition. | 18:07 |
| Thaodan | But this is about replies not about forwarded messages | 18:07 |
| Mister_Magister | yeah but replies are not much of an issue, bigger issue is spam being forwarded from telegram when we have none of it on telegram | 18:10 |
| T42 | <Umeaman> Why can't Sailfish OS be backwards compatible? | 18:13 |
| Mister_Magister | because jolla manages sailfishos | 18:14 |
| Mister_Magister | and jolla decided so | 18:14 |
| T42 | <Umeaman> So that means that SFOS is just free to 99% then? | 18:15 |
| T42 | <Umeaman> Free as in Freedom. | 18:15 |
| Mister_Magister | 70% | 18:15 |
| T42 | <Umeaman> You are referring to the usage of vendor blobs? | 18:15 |
| Nico | Isn't Sailfish backwardscompatible (if you use the tiny subset of harbour allowed APIs)? | 18:15 |
| Mister_Magister | ^ | 18:16 |
| Mister_Magister | Nico: its not tho | 18:18 |
| Mister_Magister | even if you use harbour APIs they change | 18:18 |
| Nico | Sure, but usually those have deprecation notices and usually don't change willy nilly | 18:19 |
| Thaodan | What do you mean by backwards compatible? | 18:19 |
| Thaodan | From hal or from app pov is a totaly different story. | 18:20 |
| Thaodan | We have pre 4.4 kernels in use it hardly can get any better or worse depending on your pov | 18:20 |
| Mister_Magister | well from hal it's mostly backwards compatible ye | 18:21 |
| Mister_Magister | only rarely you need to update smth | 18:21 |
| Thaodan | its almost to good sometimes, old kernels are a burden. | 18:23 |
| Nico | "Can we have wireguard in Sailfish now?" | 18:24 |
| Mister_Magister | Thaodan: i want my g2 to last for next 10 years! | 18:24 |
| Thaodan | Nico: Go backport XD, we might as well import some rel patches Mister_Magister | 18:25 |
| Mister_Magister | Thaodan: i mean it's working so far | 18:25 |
| Nico | Why can't the world just be nice and a modern kernel useable on all weird devices... | 18:26 |
| Thaodan | We go the other way around hack some ABI together and pray it works. Anything else just gets LTS kernels that are support for like 2-3 Android versions | 18:27 |
| Thaodan | Can't have that Qcom actuall posts stuff upstream | 18:27 |
| Nico | I mean, I appreciate the work that goes into that, but I wish it wouldn't have to be necessary :D | 18:28 |
| Thaodan | And we only had to carry some device patches and not just whole subsystems that don't exist in mainline. | 18:28 |
| Thaodan | Nico: I think it is pretty much about attitude and not just and forget source code releases. | 18:29 |
| Nico | Yeah, I know | 18:29 |
| Nico | I will still complain though ._. | 18:29 |
| Thaodan | Please do so | 18:32 |
| Nico | <3 | 18:32 |
| Mister_Magister | [20:26] <Nico> Why can't the world just be nice and a modern kernel useable on all weird devices... | 18:33 |
| Mister_Magister | because there's google | 18:33 |
| Mister_Magister | and industiral revolution | 18:33 |
| Mister_Magister | and consumerism | 18:33 |
| Mister_Magister | and people, and agricultural revolution | 18:33 |
| * Nico mumbles something about capitalism, roots and evil | 18:33 | |
| Mister_Magister | Nico: need i say more | 18:33 |
| T42 | <Umeaman> In terms of freedom overall and that the phone isn't outdated after 2 days, what phone should I consider to use SFOS in? I was thinking about purchasing the Sony Xperia 10 III as I've seen it in the shop, but I haven't seen it with Sailfish in it. | 18:34 |
| Mister_Magister | Well sfos allows you to own the phone which is nice in terms of freedom | 18:35 |
| T42 | <Umeaman> Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaatoooooooraaaaaaaaade! :) (re @SailfishFreenodeIRCBridgeBot: <Nico>mumbles someth...) | 18:35 |
| Mister_Magister | you want root? sure go ahead | 18:35 |
| Mister_Magister | also i haven't reinstalled my moto g2 in 6 years | 18:35 |
| Nico | Yeah, it is pretty nice that it is my choice to break stuff! | 18:35 |
| Mister_Magister | i've been updating it ever since sfos 2 | 18:35 |
| Thaodan | Any modern Sony is good. | 18:36 |
| T42 | <Umeaman> I have the XZ Premium, XA2........ XA2 has become sluggish. | 18:36 |
| Thaodan | Even XA2 should still work good but kernel is very old, new features that come from kernel level might not work. | 18:36 |
| EleventhLast | this file is not there, the assembly is based on lineage 17.1 | 18:36 |
| Nico | My X compact is developing weird bugs nowadays, but... it still works! :D | 18:37 |
| EleventhLast | все условия по сборке были соблюдены | 18:37 |
| EleventhLast | ups.. | 18:37 |
| EleventhLast | all assembly conditions were met | 18:37 |
| T42 | <Umeaman> Otherwise I'm thinking about Pinephone. | 18:38 |
| T42 | <Umeaman> If only they could release a flagship model. | 18:38 |
| Thaodan | its good but kinda beta since it's mainline. | 18:38 |
| Thaodan | Some stuff is just not handled completly, stuff that is done right now by the vendor blobs. | 18:39 |
| Thaodan | (not just on sfos) | 18:39 |
| T42 | <Umeaman> Which of the newer tablets have a working SFOS running today? I don't really trust the wiki as it rarely gets updated. | 18:39 |
| T42 | <Umeaman> A8 ? | 18:39 |
| Thaodan | No idea | 18:39 |
| Mister_Magister | @Umeaman don't buy pinephone | 18:39 |
| Mister_Magister | pinephone is not for end user | 18:40 |
| T42 | <Umeaman> @Mister_Magister Give me pros and cons, please. | 18:40 |
| T42 | <Umeaman> I know..... I' | 18:40 |
| T42 | <Umeaman> I know..... I'm not really an end user persay. (edited) | 18:40 |
| T42 | <Umeaman> I know..... I'm not really an end user per say. (edited) | 18:40 |
| Mister_Magister | @Umeaman pros: you can do whatever you want as a developer, it's developer's playground so we can for example develop sfos on mainline for it to be ready for actual phones on mainline like oneplus 6. cons: super slow super unstable, specs are shit, camera is shit, case is literally put together the cheapest way possible because it's not for end user its for developers | 18:41 |
| Mister_Magister | you can count issues for days | 18:41 |
| T42 | <Umeaman> Ooooooh. What comes closest to freedom compaired to that then? | 18:42 |
| Mister_Magister | screen flickering, camera being basically lightyears behind, battery life tragic, performance tragic, gpu tragic, case tragic, build quiality tragic | 18:42 |
| Mister_Magister | @Umeaman define freedom | 18:42 |
| T42 | <Umeaman> Not needing any proprietary blobs and stuff. | 18:42 |
| Mister_Magister | phones with mainline | 18:42 |
| T42 | <Umeaman> Such as? | 18:43 |
| Mister_Magister | google it | 18:43 |
| T42 | <Umeaman> Name one example. | 18:43 |
| Mister_Magister | I know of oneplus 6 | 18:43 |
| Mister_Magister | I don't know if it has sfos tho | 18:43 |
| Mister_Magister | but it does have mainline | 18:43 |
| Thaodan | Xperias have limited mainline. But it is nothing worth sofies. | 18:43 |
| EleventhLast | error: File not found: /home/eleventh/hadk/installroot/default.prop | 18:43 |
| EleventhLast | this file does not exist. what should i do? | 18:43 |
| Mister_Magister | you basically want some phone on top snapdragon since 835 | 18:43 |
| Thaodan | It's postmarket | 18:43 |
| T42 | <Umeaman> Wow! https://www.xda-developers.com/its-now-possible-to-boot-android-on-i-mx6-platforms-without-proprietary-blobs/ | 18:44 |
| Mister_Magister | they have XBL and normal efi so easy to mainline | 18:44 |
| Thaodan | The issue is that ofono can't deal with qcom modems on it's own | 18:44 |
| Thaodan | (with the recent at least) | 18:44 |
| Mister_Magister | can't you just make ofono plugin | 18:45 |
| Thaodan | ofono needs to support qnmi and so on | 18:46 |
| Thaodan | so no idea | 18:46 |
| Thaodan | slava knows best | 18:46 |
| Mister_Magister | hmm | 18:46 |
| Mister_Magister | doesn't nemo run on mainline now | 18:46 |
| Mister_Magister | and don't they also use ofono | 18:46 |
| * Mister_Magister gimme sec | 18:46 | |
| T42 | <Mister_Magister> @NotKit you know? | 18:47 |
| T42 | <Umeaman> Where you talking about Project Treble for instance? | 18:49 |
| T42 | <Umeaman> I just read about it. | 18:49 |
| Mister_Magister | nobody was talking about treble here | 18:50 |
| Mister_Magister | not at least past 2h | 18:50 |
| T42 | <Umeaman> Maybe using Replicant can be an alternative. I don't know how many devices it supports though. | 18:54 |
| T42 | <Umeaman> Are Librem phones any good? | 18:58 |
| EleventhLast | I understand that no one can help me here. | 19:00 |
| T42 | <Umeaman> Do you have full output to show? Paste to ghostbin.com (re @SailfishFreenodeIRCBridgeBot: <EleventhLast>I unde...) | 19:01 |
| T42 | <TheVancedGamer> I think I told you *not* to tag IRC :p | 19:02 |
| T42 | <Umeaman> Darn it! | 19:02 |
| EleventhLast | https://pastebin.com/zSvS6XXa | 19:02 |
| Mister_Magister | @Umeaman Replicant is literally android you can stay on stock android and it will be literally the same | 19:04 |
| T42 | <Umeaman> EleventhLast: Stay tuned, someone might know how to fix it........ Maybe not the next 5 minutes, but in time. Remember that we live in different timezones. | 19:06 |
| T42 | <Umeaman> <Mister_Magister>Without the blobs though. | 19:07 |
| Mister_Magister | @Umeaman highly doubt it | 19:07 |
| Mister_Magister | lets check the FAQ | 19:08 |
| Mister_Magister | While Replicant is a fully free system, other components run aside the system, such as bootloaders, firmwares and the modem operating system (if applicable). These components are usually proprietary software. | 19:08 |
| Mister_Magister | yeap, you're wrong | 19:08 |
| T42 | <Umeaman> EleventhLast: It seems to me that you haven't fixed the warnings and then rebuilt. | 19:08 |
| T42 | <Umeaman> <Mister_Magister>: Replicant is a free operating system (OS) based on the Android mobile platform that aims to replace all proprietary Android components with free-software counterparts. | 19:09 |
| T42 | <Umeaman> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replicant_(operating_system) | 19:09 |
| Mister_Magister | doesn't change anything | 19:09 |
| Mister_Magister | read the FAQ | 19:09 |
| Mister_Magister | and it doesn't disprove what i said and copied from FAQ | 19:09 |
| T42 | <Umeaman> OK. My bad. | 19:11 |
| T42 | <Umeaman> Sorry. | 19:11 |
| EleventhLast | Umeaman: I changed the config following the instructions. but not all settings applied | 19:12 |
| Mister_Magister | I mentioned mainline so many times because it's mutually exclusive with blobs | 19:13 |
| Mister_Magister | you cannot have blobs with mainline and you cannot have mainline with blobs | 19:13 |
| Mister_Magister | Mainline forces everything except qcom's secure boot stack to be opensource | 19:14 |
| T42 | <elros34> EleventhLast why don't you search in channel logs yourself? Yous hould aknow how to do this already default.prop site:irclogs.sailfishos.org shows solution in first result | 19:37 |
| deathmist1 | Mister_Magister: well technically you can have blob drivers on mainline as well, platforms with PowerVR GPUs come to mind since there isn't really an alternative for now (e.g. Samsung Galaxy Tab 2) | 20:25 |
| Mister_Magister | youknowwhatimean | 20:26 |
| T42 | <bouic> Any pointer on how to investigate why vibrator doesn't work on a port? I'm not sure where to start | 22:21 |
| T42 | <bouic> Keyboard backlight was not working, and turns out it was a really simple thing, so I'm secretely hoping it could be the same for vibratioin. | 22:22 |
| T42 | <elros34> start with checking what kind of driver your device use. If memless then evdev_trace will show you supported effects otherwise it's sysfs | 22:51 |
| T42 | <bouic> That's memless apparently: https://p.teknik.io/Simple/h5Sfv | 22:54 |
| T42 | <bouic> The device is a Pro1x, not Pro1 | 22:54 |
| T42 | <elros34> nothing memless related so it's sysfs, probably /sys/class/timed_output | 22:59 |
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