Tuesday, 2013-03-26

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GentSirmorning europe06:37
dm8tbrgood moaning06:38
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GentSirWhat's everyone up to?06:38
dm8tbrnot mucken futch, just woke up06:42
GentSirsame here06:43
GentSirdm8tbr, is that supposed to be making fun of american rednecks?06:44
dm8tbris it?06:44
GentSirSounded like something one of my drunken uncles in Kentucky would say06:44
iekkustill trying to wake up06:45
dm8tbrthe closest I was to kentucky, was a fast food joint...06:45
iekkucoffeine level in the blood seems to be still too poor06:45
GentSirdm8tbr, KFC? I've ate at the original one in kentucky06:46
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GentSirSorry, spitting drivel, currently increasing my caffeine level as well06:49
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MFaro-Tusinohey guys :D09:06
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GentSirMFaro-Tusino, morning mate09:07
MFaro-TusinoThis build error is really annoying me09:07
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MFaro-TusinoI will try and reset the cpp and h files back to original state and see if it will run again09:08
MFaro-Tusinothen i can try modding it line by line09:08
GentSirI have no clue09:11
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lbtMFaro-Tusino: what's the problem ?09:19
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MFaro-Tusinoi modded the cpp to add an entry for QFile, but the error was to do with variable declared too many times or something like that09:28
MFaro-Tusinobut resetting the cpp and h files fixed the build for now09:28
MFaro-Tusinowill attempt again09:28
lbtI saw a pastie last night that looked like you were mixing apps - 2 'main' declarations09:29
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MFaro-Tusinomaybe i was09:29
MFaro-Tusinoi did do a fair bit of copy pasting hah09:30
MFaro-Tusinois that "main" as well?09:31
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MFaro-Tusinonever mind, i worked out what i was doing09:44
MFaro-Tusinoi had accidentally copied Main.cpp into sailfishapplication.cpp as well09:44
MFaro-Tusinobut now i need to get QFile working properly09:44
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MFaro-TusinoQuestion, how can I get a label to fill its parent column?09:48
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MFaro-Tusinolbt: ?09:51
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chriadamMFaro-Tusino: width wise?  width: parent.width09:54
MFaro-Tusinono, so i have used QFile to read from an external file, and i want to display it in a label, but obviously, labels are not designed to be multi line09:55
chriadamthen set readOnly: true09:55
chriadamthere are some text margin properties which you may need to set also, since it does some ... rather confusing things by default.09:55
MFaro-Tusinocool, will look into that :)09:56
* lbt pretends he knew that :)09:58
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MFaro-Tusinohahah lbt10:01
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MFaro-Tusinohmm, textArea isn't playing nicely, like it works, no errors, buts i just can't get what i want10:04
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MFaro-TusinoHi Sfiet_konstantin10:22
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Sfiet_Konstantinhello MFaro-Tusino !10:25
Sfiet_Konstantinso, still struggling with your QML ?10:25
MFaro-Tusinoi fixed it, sort of10:26
MFaro-TusinoJust needing to finish TextAra10:26
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mjonesMFaro-Tusino: Label should work fine in multi-line mode.  Just set wrapMode: Text.wrap and give it a width11:06
MFaro-Tusinoyeah, i discovered what i did wrong11:07
MFaro-Tusinoi was reading one line from the file and not the whol file11:08
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YourFutureUserhello. I have question: will Sailfish be DUALsim?? I mean dualstandby and dual active - what in general mean using at last 2 SIM cards, hence 2 mobile numbers at the same time. This is essential for me. How about this??11:41
YourFutureUserI need 1 number for job purposes and separated 1 number for social, family etc and abilty to manage it independently. Meego devs when asked replied this is technically possible. Will it work on Sailfish?11:43
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YourFutureUserThere are many hardware with 2 SIM ports, so possible to be used by me however I have hope jolla's smartphone will have 2 SIM cards.11:44
iekkuYourFutureUser, we haven't published any information about our first phone yet, so unfortunately you need to wait11:45
YourFutureUserI know from twittter "thw specfication will be later blablabla" - s11:45
YourFutureUserI am aware you will not answer me NOW11:45
iekkuso it's more like wish? ;)11:45
YourFutureUserWhat I expect is you to be AWARE that dualsim is absolutely needed minimum.11:46
YourFutureUserI would say more the demand then a wish - I want to use Sailfish but without dualsim I will not have such a possiblity11:46
YourFutureUserAnyway I tried to let you know - hope it will work, as I know all Asians use dualsim as a common solutions11:48
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Yaniel_YourFutureUser: good thing you are not the only onr asking for this11:49
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Sfiet_Konstantiniekku: o/11:50
YourFutureUser2nd question: is this proper to forecast that: As Sailfish can run apps form Android+some of MeeGo+Sailfsh native+ some Linux = then number of possible apps can be estimated as 400k + 10k + ?unknown + ?unknown = hence about 500k in general??11:51
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iekkuSfiet_Konstantin, \o11:51
Sfiet_Konstantiniekku: how are you :) ?11:51
Sfiet_KonstantinYourFutureUser: is the number of apps that mych important11:52
iekkuSfiet_Konstantin, busy as really busy badger11:52
Sfiet_KonstantinYourFutureUser: anyway, the number of android apps is a good estimate of number of apps in sailfish11:52
iekkuSfiet_Konstantin, how are you?11:52
Sfiet_Konstantinhowever, even if Maemo / MeeGo / Sailfish community is small, we have quite a few awesome apps11:52
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Sfiet_Konstantiniekku: very fine11:53
Sfiet_Konstantinworking for school project11:53
Sfiet_Konstantinwent to a nice concert as well \m/11:53
iekkuthat's cool!11:53
Sfiet_Konstantinworking on social by chriadam|away as well :)11:53
Yaniel_IMHO the quality of the apps is more important11:53
Sfiet_Konstantinand helping my padawan, MFaro-Tusino11:53
Sfiet_KonstantinYaniel_: +111:53
YourFutureUserIthank you, it doesnt metter if community is big/small - counts if community is active IMHO ;)11:53
iekkuSfiet_Konstantin, even better11:53
iekkuYaniel_, +111:53
Sfiet_KonstantinYourFutureUser: you landed in a nice place, where the community is very active :)11:54
Sfiet_KonstantinYourFutureUser: this wiki page gives you some insights about what the community is doing: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Sailfish11:54
Sfiet_Konstantinapps, portage, hacks11:54
YourFutureUserno prob, I care for wiki page so I know most of this11:55
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YourFutureUsernot all however ;)11:55
Sfiet_Konstantindid you see the ports done on some computers ?11:55
Sfiet_Konstantindid you see the initial port of tweetian ?11:55
YourFutureUserthat was a reason of question about apps11:55
MFaro-TusinoI love tweetian!11:56
MFaro-TusinoI'm using it on the sdk hehe11:56
Sfiet_KonstantinYourFutureUser: when people ask about apps, I ask about: "what is your need ?"11:56
Sfiet_KonstantinMFaro-Tusino: would love to see qnep :$11:56
Sfiet_Konstantintask_jp is not here sadly :(11:56
YourFutureUserat this moment my need was to confim or correct my thinking about number of apps possible to used with Sailfish11:57
Sfiet_KonstantinJust to state it once again: number is irrelevant11:57
Sfiet_Konstantinquality is all11:57
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Sfiet_Konstantineg on the abandonned platform called N9, I have seen the two best twitter clients that I have ever used11:58
Yaniel_well in theory you could run about any unix app you can find11:58
YourFutureUserwell my most important need about apps and Sailfish is they to be avialble for dualsim mobile usage and be dual sim11:58
Sfiet_KonstantinYourFutureUser: we will see11:59
YourFutureUserUnix etc software I was meaning by linux soft11:59
Yaniel_I persobally don't need dualsim but I can understand very well why someone would want it11:59
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Sfiet_Konstantiniekku: we don't see you often on IRC :(12:00
Yaniel_anyways a lack of apps will probably not be a problem sailfish has to face12:00
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Sfiet_Konstantiniekku: and we don't see faenil anymore :(12:00
Sfiet_Konstantiniekku: does that mean that the two of you are deeply linked ? :D12:00
iekkuSfiet_Konstantin, i have been way too busy, hope i will have more time soon12:00
iekkuSfiet_Konstantin, oh noes!12:00
Yaniel_did you eat faenil?12:00
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Sfiet_Konstantiniekku: well, I can understand, don't worrk12:01
Sfiet_KonstantinYaniel_: +112:01
iekkuYaniel_, nooooooooo, who told you!!!!12:01
Sfiet_Konstantinthe truth is that iekku kidnapped him to code for her12:01
YourFutureUser cyberbully12:02
iekkuno, i won't do that to anyone, but cleaning up bugzilla and testing...12:02
Sfiet_Konstantiniekku: so, tell me about the collection of devices you have: how many ? :D12:03
MFaro-TusinoI would kidnap and get them to painfully deal with my dumb questions :p12:03
Sfiet_KonstantinI won't ask about arch, chips, manufacturers ...12:03
Sfiet_KonstantinMFaro-Tusino: you start being dumb, and then evolve12:03
MFaro-TusinoThankfully, Master Lucien is putting up with me12:03
Sfiet_Konstantinbtw, you are virtually kidnapping me so :D12:03
MFaro-TusinoThey don't need to know12:04
YourFutureUserthx you all - PLEASE: KEEP IN MIND - DUAL SIM, DUAL STAND BY, DUAL ACTIVE -  thx in advance, bye bye12:04
Yaniel_MFaro-Tusino: maybe because ye remembers how annoying it was to learn Qt + QML12:04
iekkuSfiet_Konstantin, collection? i don't have anything anymore :/ not have time to play with those12:04
iekkuYourFutureUser, thanks12:04
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Sfiet_Konstantiniekku: ooooh, that's sad :(12:05
Sfiet_Konstantiniekku: but don't you test on different devices ?12:05
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iekkuSfiet_Konstantin, i don't have time to test12:05
Sfiet_Konstantiniekku: ... sad12:06
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iekkuSfiet_Konstantin, it has been at least 2 months now when i have seen latest nemo image, or more12:06
iekkuor more = more than 2 months12:06
Sfiet_Konstantiniekku: oO12:06
MFaro-TusinoWho is up for a challenge?12:07
iekkuif i'm not active at irc i'm really really really busy12:07
Sfiet_KonstantinI can see how busy is at Jolla then12:07
Sfiet_KonstantinMFaro-Tusino: what, debug your code ? :D12:07
MFaro-Tusinono, i wouldn't put that pain on anyone but you12:07
MFaro-TusinoGet the version number out of the project and into a label12:08
MFaro-Tusinothat way the label will be dynamically changeable each revision, without me manually changing it12:08
MFaro-TusinoLike i did with Changelog Lucien12:08
Sfiet_KonstantinMFaro-Tusino: easy12:08
Sfiet_Konstantinwell, close to12:08
Sfiet_KonstantinI often use macros inside the qmake project file12:09
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Sfiet_KonstantinMFaro-Tusino: can you add me as a member of your project ?12:09
Sfiet_KonstantinSfietKonstantin on github12:09
MFaro-Tusinosure :)12:10
MFaro-TusinoAnybody else while i am at it :p12:10
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Yaniel_MFaro-Tusino: what project?13:17
MFaro-TusinoIts a client for blogs i write for13:17
MFaro-TusinoMy Nokia Blog and Unleash The Phones13:17
MFaro-Tusinowill essentially be able to be used for any site with JSON plugin13:18
MFaro-Tusino*any wordpress site13:18
MFaro-TusinoSo read the posts and comments, and also post comments13:18
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MFaro-TusinoHow can i get the SDK to build me the source tar?13:58
MFaro-TusinoI want to then use the obs so i can get it on my repo there13:58
lbtMFaro-Tusino: that's actually quite hard at the moment13:59
MFaro-Tusinohmmm, i need Lucien to come back, he did it for ambiance changer13:59
lbtthe OBS doesn't have the Sailfish SDK as a build target14:00
MFaro-Tusinowill also help me test a few things that are dependent on install14:00
MFaro-Tusinolbt: no but it has mer14:00
lbtyep - you can certainly do it14:00
lbtOK, that's different then14:00
lbtsailfish apps have a build-dependency on sailfish devel libs14:02
lbtanyhow, those devel libs aren't on the OBS14:03
lbtso the OBS cannot build Sailfish apps14:03
veskuhlbt, you do not need to link to Silica. Its a runtime dependency.14:05
lbtthat's what the hmmm was for :)14:06
MFaro-TusinoVeskuh: If i use OBS simply to build under a Mer target, it should work correct?14:07
veskuhYou might need some middleware from Nemo, but mostly true yes.14:08
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MFaro-Tusinocan you helo me to get the source tar compiled?14:14
lbtI need to fix a couple of things first14:16
MFaro-Tusinono worries, ping me when ready14:17
lbtis your code in git?14:17
MFaro-Tusinoone second14:18
lbtgithub is good14:18
MFaro-Tusinoi literally have only coded the "About" section of the app, so don't judge :p14:20
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lbtok - in the rpm dir you have a yaml file and a spec file14:21
lbtthose are not fully fleshed out in the alpha14:22
lbtso we need to fix them up14:22
MFaro-Tusinoiekku: know anything about this > http://paste.kde.org/709466/14:22
MFaro-Tusinolbt: let's do it, always keen to learn14:22
lbtjust getting a VM back up ... won't be long14:28
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SKonstantin_N9MFaro-Tusino hi again14:32
SKonstantin_N9study qnetworkaccessmanager :)14:32
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MFaro-Tusinookay okay14:34
SKonstantin_N9and you need to write C++ classes I think14:36
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MFaro-Tusinowhere can we find thepre-created images for the cover14:52
MFaro-Tusinos/thepre/the pre14:53
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lbtMFaro-Tusino: actually I need a break - I'll bbiab o/14:54
SKonstantin_N9dunno about cover14:54
MFaro-Tusinolbt: no worries mate, take your time, i appreicate everything14:54
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MFaro-Tusinothere is so much potential in cover pages, i love it15:16
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iekkuMFaro-Tusino, i don't have any idea15:25
MFaro-Tusinookay, thanks! Thought maybe it was a known sdk bug15:26
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iekkuMFaro-Tusino, i'm not involved in sdk in other level than being sailor :P15:40
MFaro-Tusinoahhh, right, my apologies15:41
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MFaro-Tusinoanybody know how to see the page structure via pulleymenu?15:52
MFaro-TusinoI want to do a condition say i went page1>page2>page115:52
MFaro-Tusinopage2 would pop page1 and not push it to eliminate too many open pages15:52
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MFaro-Tusino3:30 am here in Sydney, time for bed i think. Enjoy your day/afternoon/night everyone :D16:24
lbtMFaro-Tusino: replacePage16:24
lbteek - g'night16:24
MFaro-Tusinooh wait16:25
MFaro-Tusinotell me16:25
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lbtnb some aspects of the PageStack are changing iirc - the dialog stuff is becoming more integrated and there is some currently undocumented method to show 'next page' which is becoming official16:27
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MFaro-Tusinocool, i will await the changes, thanks for your help today mate, appreciate it16:29
MFaro-Tusinotalk in  few hours16:29
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YouFutureUserHi, I think it could be interesting to know about this site: http://v-play.net/ which is (upon this site itself) Qt game engine or Qt based, easy cross-platform game development, in less time saving money, for all major platforms including iOS, Android, Symbian & more (why Sailfish is not mentioned??), more productive with an integrated  toolchain, giving your players the power of creating own levels. Perhaps this could be16:42
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YouFutureUserBut: this is just only an info, not a recomendation, you need to verify if this is really ineresting/reliable/malwarefree etc.etc. If yes, perhaps Sailfish ough to be mentioned there?16:43
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ajalkaneBeing Qt based is not a magical bullet for working on every platform that ships with Qt libraries.16:45
ajalkaneIe. perhaps they have not ported or even tried their library with Sailfish yet16:45
Yaniel_Sailfish does not really "have a name" yet so no surprise that it is not mentioned there16:46
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vgradeevening all18:55
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nsuffysevening :)19:20
vgradehi guys, whats new19:21
vgradeI'm looking forward to the sailfishos tutorial sessions19:22
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rcghey vgrade19:34
rcgam porting one of my apps to sailfish and it looks very good :)19:35
rcgeven though it is still in a very early stage19:35
rcgevening nsuffys btw ;)19:35
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vgradercg: hey, there seems to be many apps in dev which is great for the pltform20:03
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rcgvgrade, indeed :)20:13
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rcgis there a way to force the complete deployment to the emulator?22:23
rcgor more accurate for re-deployment22:23
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