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| sledges | https://twitter.com/jukkaeklund/status/357821797040787456 | 12:05 |
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| sledges | "The following assumes that you have a Nemo instance with Sailfish libraries installed (note that this is not a promise of us doing that)" | 12:10 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | sledges: extract sailfish libs | 12:11 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | from the sailfish phone | 12:11 |
| sledges | when people say "we want jolla on n9", means they want sailfish os UX on n9, with all interop to be usable as much as if not more a daily phone | 12:11 |
| sledges | Sfiet_Konstantin, very good point | 12:11 |
| sledges | sadly means time-wise we have to wait till christmas | 12:11 |
| sledges | and hope it is armv7hl ;) | 12:12 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | sledges: I wasn't expecting anything before christmas | 12:12 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | sledges: yes | 12:12 |
| sledges | D: | 12:12 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | sledges: actually my bet is more on nemo | 12:12 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | glacier ui | 12:12 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | work to bring it on n9xx | 12:12 |
| sledges | just dawned on me: it's the only bet possible | 12:12 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | x = 50 00 or -00 | 12:12 |
| sledges | for given time now | 12:13 |
| sledges | glacier should be as attractive/similar/revolutionary (if not more) as sailfish | 12:16 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | don't think so either | 12:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | glacier will be enjoyable to use | 12:17 |
| sledges | start building ecosystem around sailfish - the goal has always been the same | 12:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and slightly different | 12:17 |
| sledges | now we have a challenge | 12:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I guess that glacier will be more maemoish like | 12:18 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | hacker friendly ui | 12:18 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | sledges: what's the challenge | 12:18 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | or poweruser ui let's say | 12:18 |
| sledges | my goal is that when jolla comes out, it should already have a decent amount of developers and apps | 12:18 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | sledges: ah | 12:18 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | yeah | 12:18 |
| sledges | now it's hard when you don't have the programmable toy in your pocket yet | 12:18 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | that's hard | 12:19 |
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| sledges | that's where i'm coming from | 12:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | sledges: SDK beta 2 soon | 12:19 |
| sledges | yes :) on VM or iconia tab ;) | 12:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | the only problem is that Jolla don't have the resources to support other devices | 12:19 |
| sledges | all biggest fans/devs of jolla & family own an n9xx | 12:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | iconia tab is a hacker device for example | 12:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | sledges: +1 | 12:20 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | but it is harder to have a fully working n9xx image easily | 12:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | 1st: problems with nokia | 12:20 |
| sledges | and that's the challenge | 12:20 |
| sledges | yup | 12:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | 2nd: problem with wayland | 12:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | etc. | 12:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and if the SDK is i45686 based | 12:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | then it is no use for N9xx | 12:21 |
| sledges | so to make peeps happy, opensource community needs to chase taillights again and make a sailfish replica | 12:21 |
| sledges | or brainstorm a cunning alternative win-win plan ;) | 12:21 |
| sledges | so yes, glacier is main hope now | 12:21 |
| sledges | the aim should be simple: | 12:22 |
| sledges | 1. show how cool glacier is | 12:22 |
| sledges | 2. make n9xx users install it | 12:22 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | the problem with glacier is that you don't have silica to dev on it | 12:22 |
| sledges | 3. create qtcomponents which are easy to port to sailfish once they get their jolla phones | 12:22 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but it can be a very nice "drop-in" replacement for harmattan | 12:22 |
| sledges | yup, see 3 ^ :) | 12:22 |
| sledges | drop-in replacement - that's for sure | 12:22 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | 3 is hard, especially if Jolla want to keep their ui | 12:23 |
| sledges | but would be nice aiming to kill two birds with one stone | 12:23 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | +1 | 12:23 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | like a simple silica port | 12:23 |
| sledges | 3 is hard, but not impossible, or at least could be worked towards that direction | 12:23 |
| sledges | yes, subset, or similar stuff | 12:23 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | yes | 12:23 |
| sledges | as glacier hasn't got its components (yet ;)) | 12:23 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but there is a need of glacier before | 12:23 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and least something working for N9 | 12:23 |
| sledges | sure :) | 12:23 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | xx | 12:23 |
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| sledges | x | 12:23 |
| sledges | :D | 12:23 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and before christmass, I guess that glacier won't be ready either | 12:24 |
| sledges | one step at a time, but nice to have bigger picture | 12:24 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | yes | 12:24 |
| sledges | very good point | 12:24 |
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| sledges | unless enough persuasion ensue | 12:24 |
| sledges | that is | 12:24 |
| sledges | small amount of devs make PoC of glacier | 12:24 |
| sledges | to attract bigger amount | 12:24 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and well, I would love to hack glacier, but we are like 5 devs, and doing it with free time | 12:24 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but now ... free time goes to Jolla :/ | 12:24 |
| sledges | ? | 12:24 |
| sledges | ah, your social apps :) | 12:25 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | yeah | 12:25 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but I would love to do social for glacier | 12:25 |
| sledges | im totally enthused about glacier :) | 12:25 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | me too | 12:25 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | especially that we have a pretty solid mw in Nemo | 12:25 |
| sledges | even thought of cutting out icons from PNG to make a theme already :D | 12:25 |
| sledges | backed up by jolla | 12:25 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | so an UI could be "easily" done | 12:25 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | sledges: :D | 12:26 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | sledges: you should talk to qwazix in order to get icons files and start hacking maybe | 12:26 |
| sledges | rikanee to be precise, sure! will do | 12:26 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | didn't qwazix and rikanee did the design together ? | 12:27 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I'm just waiting for more detailed infos about glacier guidelines to start hacking | 12:27 |
| sledges | hell yes :) | 12:28 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | like size / positions / theming elements (like the backgorunds etc) | 12:28 |
| sledges | best to take sailfish guidelines and work from there towards mockup | 12:28 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | however, I would need a nemo device | 12:28 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | iconia tab will do | 12:28 |
| sledges | where are your n9xxs? :) | 12:28 |
| * Stskeeps suggested starting in VM | 12:28 | |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | sledges: don't think so | 12:28 |
| * sledges has no idea what guilelines entail, so | 12:29 | |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Stskeeps: N9xx : no N900, N9 in France, N950 bricked | 12:29 |
| sledges | navigational aspects are as important as visual | 12:29 |
| sledges | D: | 12:29 |
| sledges | :) | 12:29 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | sledges: I would love very precise design related to position of text (margins, size), etc | 12:29 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but iconia is here :) | 12:29 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Stskeeps: don't like VM :( | 12:29 |
| sledges | you're not in france? | 12:29 |
| sledges | :) | 12:29 |
| sledges | atm | 12:29 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | VM on my computer is not good: not enough ram | 12:30 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | sledges: nope | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | Sfiet_Konstantin: it's a stable hw adaptation which is really important for development | 12:30 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I'm not in fr | 12:30 |
| sledges | ok :) | 12:30 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Stskeeps: +1 for that, but I have that iconia tab that could do the job | 12:30 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | will fallback to vm if problems | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | sure | 12:30 |
| sledges | Sfiet_Konstantin, margins & size are normally all encoded into properties | 12:30 |
| sledges | so they can be changed by master designer | 12:30 |
| sledges | and your app should not explode | 12:30 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | sledges: +1 | 12:30 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | sledges: btw, you don't know where I am ? :O | 12:31 |
| sledges | in nemo they are properties (still remember their names *meego*..*margin_* ... :)) | 12:31 |
| sledges | Sfiet_Konstantin, can only guess :) APAC? | 12:31 |
| sledges | or maybe Tampere? ;D | 12:32 |
| sledges | EMEA silicon valley :) | 12:32 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | sledges: :/ https://twitter.com/SfietKonstantin/status/352005670146555906 | 12:33 |
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| sledges | ehehey!!! :D I was on holiday that week :P | 12:33 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :D | 12:33 |
| sledges | well done mate, congrats | 12:34 |
| sledges | didn't know jolla did internships | 12:35 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | sledges: consider applying :D | 12:36 |
| sledges | :D i wish i was a student again | 12:37 |
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| sledges | worth becoming one lol | 12:37 |
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| Hartzi | Sfiet_Konstantin: so, how is techopolis? Do you like the place? | 13:03 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Hartzi: it is nice :) | 13:03 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I like the chair I'm sitting on and the screen I'm looking at, and the rest, I care less honestly :) | 13:04 |
| Hartzi | yes it is. The roof sauna has very nice view to south | 13:04 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | there is a roof sauna ? :O | 13:08 |
| Hartzi | yup | 13:08 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but I still have to try what a sauna is | 13:08 |
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| Hartzi | wat | 13:09 |
| Hartzi | you never tried?! | 13:09 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | no :$ | 13:12 |
| Hartzi | mein gott | 13:12 |
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| Hartzi | you really should try | 13:16 |
| Hartzi | Sfiet_Konstantin: btw do you have CV somewhere online? I'd like to see what is requires to get internship at jolla :D | 13:18 |
| ottulonen | if you got no idea what's it about, don't expect too much... some people need a bit of time to get used to it | 13:19 |
| ottulonen | I know several people who moved to/visited Finland and had to try more than a couple times before they could enjoy sauna | 13:19 |
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| sledges | if you don't do sauna regularly, it takes several sessions to get back on track as well | 13:21 |
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| sledges | or just not put too much heat at first ;) | 13:22 |
| sledges | (water poured on hot stones in my homeland) | 13:22 |
| Hartzi | yup | 13:22 |
| sledges | also time spent in it is crucial | 13:22 |
| sledges | hey, do you jump into cold lake afterwards? :D | 13:22 |
| sledges | that'ß the most awesome part :) | 13:23 |
| Hartzi | sledges: ofc | 13:23 |
| sledges | if frozen - through a hole in the lake :)~ | 13:23 |
| Hartzi | especially in wintertime | 13:23 |
| Hartzi | hell yea! | 13:24 |
| sledges | dipping into a deep snow suffices if no lake around :) | 13:24 |
| Hartzi | yup | 13:25 |
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| ottulonen | for me the problem seems to be I don't really get warm enough in sauna :< | 13:27 |
| ottulonen | had to sit for ages last time I visited a lake and still didn't feel very hot | 13:27 |
| sledges | maybe you need to find the type of sauna that fits you | 13:29 |
| sledges | different humidities etc | 13:29 |
| ottulonen | oh, it's not that, I've had plenty of saunas etc | 13:29 |
| ottulonen | just lately none of them seem to do it | 13:29 |
| sledges | hmph interesting, wonder if has something to do with metabolism/blood pressure/whatnot | 13:30 |
| ottulonen | could be about the weather, our apartment stays very hot throughout the year, only nearing lower 20's in winter, even then never below that | 13:30 |
| sledges | a so you are acclimatised | 13:31 |
| ottulonen | usually it's my wife who gets cold very fast in the water, but last time it was me who started shivering | 13:31 |
| ottulonen | just a few weeks before that I was swimming in the same lake with no sauna and the water was about the same, didn't get cold at any point | 13:32 |
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| faenil | anyone willing to contribute to Nemo, https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Wayland_Nemo_VM_Image | 15:32 |
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| sledges | with obvious importance in mind that sailfish port is viable only through nemo supported devices (n9xx etc), and nemo needs to go wayland first :) | 15:35 |
| faenil | sledges, thanks for making things more real :D | 15:36 |
| faenil | WANT SAILFISH ON N9/n950? CONTRIBUTE :D | 15:36 |
| sledges | worth writing to ml as well (sailfish and nemo) | 15:37 |
| sledges | i.e mer | 15:37 |
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| faenil | oh crap, I hate writing :D | 15:40 |
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| * dm8tbr has been telling this to everyone who asked about sailfish on X. Want that? Make Nemo work, then it will work easily | 16:01 | |
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| faenil | email sent o/ | 16:04 |
| sledges | \o| | 16:05 |
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| faenil | hope it's clear, I didn't even read it twice lol | 16:06 |
| sledges | i think you should reconsider your hatred for writing ;P | 16:07 |
| faenil | lol | 16:08 |
| Hartzi | faenil: did you send an application? | 16:10 |
| faenil | Hartzi, what? | 16:10 |
| Hartzi | for jolla | 16:15 |
| sledges | just discovered this awesome sailfishos artwork: https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/2680681721/214b451b3fca858e1b49b50c177a7ed4.jpeg | 16:16 |
| faenil | Hartzi, ahmmm...August 2012? :D | 16:17 |
| Yaniel | that's hot | 16:17 |
| faenil | never got a reply though :P | 16:17 |
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| Hartzi | faenil: ah, ok :D | 16:23 |
| faenil | Hartzi, :D I'm still busy with university | 16:23 |
| faenil | so that would be one more problem | 16:24 |
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| Hartzi | okay, so you're not studying in finland | 16:26 |
| faenil | Hartzi, unfortunately not...Italian | 16:27 |
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| Hartzi | okay | 16:28 |
| Hartzi | faenil: you applied and didn't get a reply? Not nice :| | 16:29 |
| faenil | Hartzi, well, what I got told every time I asked was | 16:32 |
| faenil | "if we didn't reply, it means you're still in the hiring pool" :) | 16:32 |
| faenil | so it's also a positive thing | 16:32 |
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| Hartzi | okay | 16:43 |
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| Hartzi | but | 16:44 |
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| faenil | but, but :D | 16:44 |
| Hartzi | donno if they want hire studends? | 16:45 |
| faenil | exactly ;) | 16:46 |
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| Hartzi | or lets put it this way: why would they want hire studendt when they can hire experienced professionals :| that's why I haven't applied | 16:54 |
| Yaniel | I'd assume they would | 16:56 |
| faenil | Hartzi, yeah ;) | 16:57 |
| faenil | well, a passionate student could be better than a boring professional | 16:58 |
| faenil | even if only for the morale ;) | 16:58 |
| Hartzi | faenil: true, but that's not the whole truth | 17:00 |
| faenil | :9 | 17:00 |
| faenil | :) | 17:00 |
| Yaniel | hiring students is probbably cheaper too :D | 17:00 |
| faenil | Yaniel, actually, if things didn't change, everyone gets same salary at Jolla | 17:00 |
| faenil | flat structure | 17:00 |
| Yaniel | hm yeah | 17:01 |
| Hartzi | yeah | 17:01 |
| Yaniel | jolla is kind of an exception :D | 17:01 |
| Yaniel | in most ways | 17:01 |
| faenil | :D | 17:01 |
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| Morpog_PC | Akademy videos are uploaded! Mer http://files.kde.org/akademy/2013/videos/David_Greaves_-_Mer_and_Qt.webm SailfishOS http://files.kde.org/akademy/2013/videos/Vesa-Matti_-_Qt,_Open_Source_and_Sailfish_OS.webm All videos http://files.kde.org/akademy/2013/videos/ | 17:49 |
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