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Superpelican | SfietKonstantin:I want to include 2 C++ standard libraries in my project | 09:31 |
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Superpelican | SfietKonstantin:But the #includes get yellow lines under them | 09:31 |
Superpelican | I already added INCLUDE_PATH += /usr/include/c++/4.6.4 to my .pro | 09:31 |
Superpelican | I checked in the Mer SDK | 09:32 |
SfietKonstantin | Superpelican: what are these libs ? | 09:32 |
Superpelican | gcc -v gives me 4.6.4 | 09:32 |
Superpelican | and the dir exists in the Mer SDK | 09:32 |
Superpelican | but it looks like Qt Creator searches on my host | 09:32 |
Superpelican | and not in the Mer SDK for the includes | 09:32 |
Superpelican | I haven't tried compiling yet though | 09:32 |
Superpelican | vector | 09:32 |
Superpelican | and algorithm | 09:32 |
SfietKonstantin | the yellow lines means nothing | 09:32 |
SfietKonstantin | why vector ? | 09:32 |
SfietKonstantin | why algorithm ? | 09:32 |
Superpelican | I need algorithm for random shuffle | 09:32 |
Superpelican | I've already looked up QVector | 09:33 |
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SfietKonstantin | read the doc of qrand and qsrand | 09:33 |
SfietKonstantin | and use QVector / QList | 09:33 |
Superpelican | SfietKonstantin:But QVector doesn't have a random shuffle function | 09:33 |
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Superpelican | I've no idea how to write my own random shuffle function | 09:34 |
SfietKonstantin | start with a vector and a null vector | 09:34 |
SfietKonstantin | pick a random number | 09:34 |
SfietKonstantin | take the index of that random number in the first vector, and put it into the second vector | 09:34 |
SfietKonstantin | repeat until first vector is empty | 09:34 |
SfietKonstantin | highly inefficient | 09:35 |
Superpelican | can't I just use the C++ standard libraries? | 09:35 |
SfietKonstantin | another way to produce good randomized stuff is to do 2xn swaps between two random indexes in a vector | 09:35 |
SfietKonstantin | you can | 09:35 |
SfietKonstantin | but you won't get autocomplete :P | 09:35 |
SfietKonstantin | (yellow lines means that) | 09:35 |
SfietKonstantin | you don't need anything | 09:35 |
SfietKonstantin | actually | 09:35 |
SfietKonstantin | they are used by Qt | 09:35 |
SfietKonstantin | so no need to add some libs or stuff | 09:35 |
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Superpelican | SfietKonstantin:Hmm, I think I might be able to remove the need for std::random_shuffle | 09:38 |
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Superpelican | I think I could just use a rand | 09:38 |
Superpelican | and let it randomly select a number from the vector | 09:39 |
SfietKonstantin | IMO better stick with Qt stuff | 09:39 |
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Superpelican | ok | 09:41 |
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Superpelican | I can try to rewrite a part of my program | 09:41 |
Superpelican | SfietKonstantin:It's a shame though | 09:41 |
Superpelican | I hoped to just able to use my existing logic | 09:42 |
Superpelican | with only changing std::string -> QString etc. | 09:42 |
Superpelican | not rewriting half the program :( | 09:42 |
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hardcodes | LIST | 11:56 |
hardcodes | HELP LIST | 11:56 |
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SfietKonstantin | :/ | 11:59 |
Stskeeps | LIST NOT FOUND | 11:59 |
faenil | lol | 12:04 |
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amppa | Superpelican: there was just a couple of days ago a blog post about list shuffling at planet kde | 12:26 |
amppa | http://freininghaus.wordpress.com/2013/08/05/some-thoughts-on-algorithmic-complexity-part-3-how-to-randomize-an-array/ | 12:26 |
amppa | oh i guess he left already | 12:28 |
Yaniel | 15 min ago | 12:29 |
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SfietKonstantin | yeah, that swapping n times 2 random (or 1 random and the i-th) entries is the one that is often used | 12:36 |
SfietKonstantin | I still wonder how can this create random numbers | 12:37 |
SfietKonstantin | random shuffled lists | 12:37 |
SfietKonstantin | I meant | 12:37 |
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ynotu | ohhai | 13:02 |
ynotu | what are supported cellphones ? | 13:02 |
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Superpelican | ynotu:You mean cellphones that can run Sailfish OS? | 13:10 |
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Superpelican | SfietKonstantin:Which header do I need to include for qRand()? | 13:11 |
Superpelican | There isn't any page on the Qt Docs about qRand | 13:11 |
Superpelican | and all the forum posts with code | 13:11 |
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Superpelican | don't have the #Include section | 13:12 |
Superpelican | just the code | 13:12 |
Superpelican | so I have no idea what to #include | 13:12 |
aknight | qt_math.h? | 13:12 |
SfietKonstantin | Superpelican: there is a documentation panel included in QtCreator | 13:12 |
SfietKonstantin | hello ynotu ! | 13:12 |
Superpelican | SfietKonstantin:But qRand is just black text | 13:13 |
SfietKonstantin | Superpelican: and ? | 13:13 |
SfietKonstantin | is that a problem ? | 13:13 |
Superpelican | So pressing F1 gives "No documentation available" | 13:13 |
SfietKonstantin | try to control click on it | 13:13 |
SfietKonstantin | search in the docs | 13:14 |
Superpelican | I have | 13:14 |
SfietKonstantin | you will find your error Superpelican | 13:14 |
SfietKonstantin | and ? | 13:14 |
SfietKonstantin | what does the docs tell about qRand() ? | 13:14 |
aknight | i see qrand(), not qRand() | 13:14 |
aknight | and it is in qglobal.h | 13:14 |
Superpelican | SfietKonstantin:https://qt-project.org/search?search=qrand | 13:15 |
Superpelican | I chose the first result | 13:15 |
SfietKonstantin | aknight: sheee | 13:15 |
SfietKonstantin | don't tell him, he needs to learn the docs :) | 13:16 |
aknight | heh | 13:16 |
aknight | ctrl+click is your friend too | 13:16 |
SfietKonstantin | Superpelican: you can also search in the panel in qt creator (select index) | 13:16 |
Superpelican | ok thanks | 13:16 |
SfietKonstantin | CTRL+click, and the index in the docs | 13:16 |
aknight | and f1 as SfietKonstantin already said | 13:16 |
SfietKonstantin | so it is qrand, it is in QtGlobal header, so it is basically included everywhere | 13:16 |
Superpelican | SfietKonstantin:I also looked in http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.1/qtdoc/modules-cpp.html | 13:16 |
SfietKonstantin | aknight: it is Superpelican that said that :P | 13:16 |
aknight | hehe | 13:17 |
SfietKonstantin | Superpelican: the best is to use the index in the panel of QtCreator honestly | 13:17 |
Superpelican | I also read somewhere about it being in QtGlobal | 13:17 |
Superpelican | but I couldn't find QtGlobal in the modules list | 13:17 |
SfietKonstantin | you can find stuff easily if you remember a part of it | 13:17 |
SfietKonstantin | Superpelican: it is because it is global :P | 13:17 |
SfietKonstantin | it is for everybody | 13:17 |
Superpelican | and the QtCore module doesn't contain it either | 13:17 |
Superpelican | ok :) | 13:18 |
SfietKonstantin | Superpelican: QtGlobal is basically included by close to any Qt class | 13:18 |
SfietKonstantin | so you (most of the time) don't need to include it | 13:18 |
SfietKonstantin | try to use qrand as aknight said | 13:18 |
Superpelican | SfietKonstantin:But that doesn't explain: error: 'qRand' was not declared in this scope | 13:18 |
aknight | i see the docs as part of QtCore -> C++ Classes -> <QtGlobal> fwiw | 13:18 |
SfietKonstantin | Superpelican: because it is qrand | 13:19 |
SfietKonstantin | not qRand | 13:19 |
Superpelican | strange | 13:19 |
SfietKonstantin | didn't you find that in the docs ? | 13:19 |
Superpelican | on the forums everyone wrote qRand() | 13:19 |
SfietKonstantin | Superpelican: trust the docs, not the forums | 13:19 |
aknight | everyone probably had compilation errors ;) | 13:19 |
Superpelican | ah | 13:19 |
Superpelican | now qrand() has a grey balloon around it | 13:20 |
Superpelican | and when I hover it says that it's a thread safe version of rand() | 13:20 |
Superpelican | :) | 13:20 |
SfietKonstantin | Superpelican: :) | 13:20 |
Superpelican | And most importantly | 13:20 |
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Superpelican | I get a random number :D | 13:21 |
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SfietKonstantin | :P | 13:21 |
aknight | pseudorandom number, you mean? ;) | 13:21 |
Superpelican | yes | 13:22 |
SfietKonstantin | aknight: maybe his computer has a semitrasparent surface with a photon emitter that creates truly random numbers | 13:22 |
SfietKonstantin | aknight: you never know | 13:22 |
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Superpelican | aknight, SfietKonstantin:Unless I would write an API for http://www.random.org/ | 13:22 |
Superpelican | :P | 13:22 |
Superpelican | "RANDOM.ORG offers true random numbers to anyone on the Internet. The randomness comes from atmospheric noise" | 13:22 |
SfietKonstantin | atmospheric noise is pseudorandom | 13:23 |
SfietKonstantin | it can be related to some atmospheric events etc | 13:23 |
SfietKonstantin | the only random thing is quantum | 13:23 |
Superpelican | :( | 13:23 |
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Superpelican | http://www.random.org/clients/http/ | 13:23 |
aknight | lol | 13:23 |
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yunta | bleah, second-hand random is not much useful | 13:24 |
SfietKonstantin | random.org is more random than computer random generator though | 13:24 |
aknight | if you trust them... | 13:25 |
Superpelican | YAY :D | 13:25 |
Yaniel | we need those nuclear batteries | 13:25 |
Superpelican | my Jolla t-shirt is finally being shipped! | 13:25 |
SfietKonstantin | let's say: atmospheric noise is more random than random generatos in your computers | 13:25 |
SfietKonstantin | however, I want a quantic random number generator | 13:25 |
SfietKonstantin | based on emission of photos | 13:25 |
SfietKonstantin | photons | 13:25 |
Yaniel | a nuclear battery should be agood photon source | 13:26 |
Yaniel | also serves as a power source and a hand warmer | 13:26 |
Superpelican | it's still in Helsinki though | 13:26 |
SfietKonstantin | Yaniel: yeah, nuclear batteries are nice | 13:27 |
SfietKonstantin | if it don't leak | 13:27 |
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yunta | emission of photos is pretty random too | 13:27 |
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SfietKonstantin | and don't put it in your pants if you want children | 13:27 |
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yunta | SfietKonstantin: well,.. you can still do it if you prefer your children "unlike" :) | 13:28 |
Yaniel | yeah a small LED is a much safer photon source | 13:28 |
ynotu | Superpelican: yes, which can run sailfish OS? | 13:32 |
ynotu | Superpelican: because in our space is workshop for sailfishos this week I think ) | 13:32 |
ynotu | https://www.progressbar.sk/calendar/sailfish-sdk-hack-install-fest :) | 13:33 |
Superpelican | ynotu:Well technically every X86, ARMv7 or ARMv6 and MIPS could run it | 13:33 |
Superpelican | ynotu:Eh | 13:33 |
Superpelican | that's for the SDK | 13:33 |
ynotu | :) | 13:33 |
Superpelican | installing the SDk | 13:33 |
Superpelican | which is VM based | 13:33 |
Superpelican | but | 13:33 |
Superpelican | Sailfish isn't 100% open source yet | 13:33 |
Superpelican | so | 13:33 |
Superpelican | actually nothing can run it | 13:34 |
Superpelican | well | 13:34 |
Superpelican | except SfietKonstantin's awesome Acer Iconia Tab W500 | 13:34 |
Superpelican | and the ExoPC | 13:34 |
Superpelican | [15:33] <Superpelican> actually nothing can run it -> officially | 13:34 |
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Superpelican | well you could port it to a X86 based device | 13:35 |
SfietKonstantin | Superpelican: my iconia tab cannot run it yet | 13:36 |
SfietKonstantin | dunno why though | 13:36 |
Superpelican | SfietKonstantin:What? | 13:36 |
Morpog_ | i guess those Intel x86 based android devices could run it too | 13:36 |
Superpelican | but you published a video | 13:36 |
Superpelican | running Sailfish | 13:36 |
Superpelican | Morpog_:Yeah | 13:37 |
yunta | (dota2 championships start today, just reminding) | 13:37 |
Superpelican | but | 13:37 |
Superpelican | you can better wait | 13:37 |
SfietKonstantin | yunta: lol, why do you say that in a Sailfish related chan ? :P | 13:38 |
SfietKonstantin | (well, it interests me though) | 13:38 |
yunta | SfietKonstantin: just scanning territory | 13:38 |
SfietKonstantin | Superpelican: SDK alpha X11 | 13:38 |
Superpelican | ah yes | 13:38 |
SfietKonstantin | the WL one cannot make me connect to wifi :( | 13:38 |
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Superpelican | SfietKonstantin:strange | 13:38 |
yunta | SfietKonstantin: I couldn't find any dota2 player at jolla, so trying here :) | 13:39 |
Superpelican | yunta:What's dota2? | 13:39 |
Superpelican | isn't that some Valve game? | 13:39 |
Yaniel | yeah | 13:39 |
yunta | it is | 13:39 |
yunta | free game, running on linux | 13:39 |
Superpelican | well | 13:39 |
Superpelican | free as in gratis | 13:40 |
yunta | yes | 13:40 |
yunta | not open | 13:40 |
Yaniel | it's like TF2 in that sense | 13:40 |
Superpelican | yunta:But what kind of game is it? | 13:40 |
SfietKonstantin | yunta: I don't have a good computer to play DOTA2 :( | 13:40 |
SfietKonstantin | Superpelican: multiplayer online battle arena like | 13:40 |
SfietKonstantin | just like league of legends | 13:40 |
SfietKonstantin | the kind of game that makes you hate people on the internet | 13:41 |
Superpelican | SfietKonstantin:What computer do you have? ;) | 13:41 |
SfietKonstantin | LX201 :P | 13:41 |
SfietKonstantin | Lenovo Thinkpad X201 | 13:41 |
Superpelican | ah | 13:41 |
SfietKonstantin | intel GPU | 13:41 |
SfietKonstantin | that don't help | 13:41 |
Superpelican | isn't that that 11/12 inch | 13:41 |
Superpelican | 1000$ | 13:41 |
Superpelican | fast thing | 13:41 |
SfietKonstantin | Superpelican: 13 inch | 13:42 |
SfietKonstantin | fast not for game | 13:42 |
SfietKonstantin | well, it is 4 y.o. HW | 13:42 |
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SfietKonstantin | fast 4 years ago | 13:42 |
Superpelican | SfietKonstantin:You shouldn't complain | 13:42 |
SfietKonstantin | the intel CPU is 2-3 gen behind | 13:42 |
SfietKonstantin | I'm not complaining, it is awesome | 13:42 |
SfietKonstantin | it do not play games though | 13:42 |
Superpelican | well mine is 2 gen behind too now | 13:42 |
Superpelican | SB | 13:42 |
aknight | the new intel gpus are not bad | 13:42 |
Superpelican | SfietKonstantin:At least you don't have driver issues on Linux | 13:43 |
Superpelican | and no Optimus crap | 13:43 |
Yaniel | but really needs to be quite new | 13:43 |
SfietKonstantin | Superpelican: hahaha | 13:43 |
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Superpelican | really if | 13:43 |
Superpelican | it works | 13:43 |
SfietKonstantin | SB is 2 gen behind ? :O | 13:43 |
SfietKonstantin | omg | 13:43 |
Superpelican | you should be really really happy | 13:43 |
SfietKonstantin | I'm old | 13:43 |
Superpelican | SfietKonstantin:SB -> IB -> Haswell | 13:43 |
SfietKonstantin | OMG | 13:43 |
Superpelican | yep | 13:44 |
SfietKonstantin | back in my days SB were like "omg it is so new and shiny" | 13:44 |
Superpelican | things go really fast | 13:44 |
Superpelican | :nod: | 13:44 |
Superpelican | I liked the few months | 13:44 |
SfietKonstantin | mine is before SB I think | 13:44 |
Superpelican | that my laptop had the latest gen CPU | 13:44 |
Superpelican | :( | 13:44 |
SfietKonstantin | lol, I don't care | 13:44 |
SfietKonstantin | I want something that runs linux and compiles | 13:45 |
SfietKonstantin | therefore LX201 | 13:45 |
Superpelican | SfietKonstantin:Your x201 *is* 12 inch | 13:46 |
SfietKonstantin | sorry, it is 12 | 13:46 |
Superpelican | SfietKonstantin:http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=5546&review=lenovo+thinkpad+x201+x201s+tablet | 13:46 |
ynotu | Superpelican: ok :) | 13:46 |
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SfietKonstantin | (I wish I could have a LX20xt | 13:46 |
Superpelican | SfietKonstantin:Which one do you have? | 13:46 |
Superpelican | the Core i7 one? | 13:46 |
Superpelican | :) | 13:46 |
SfietKonstantin | i5 one | 13:46 |
SfietKonstantin | 4 gig of ram | 13:47 |
SfietKonstantin | not enough :( | 13:47 |
SfietKonstantin | well, not enough to run 2-3 vms :P | 13:47 |
Superpelican | seriously | 13:47 |
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Superpelican | I never use more than 2 GB | 13:47 |
Superpelican | well | 13:47 |
Superpelican | except for when I ran FF + TB + Inkscape + Mer SDK + Sailfish emu | 13:47 |
Superpelican | and I'm using KDE :O | 13:48 |
SfietKonstantin | Superpelican: I think it is because I'm on 64 bits | 13:48 |
Morpog_ | Superpelican, I show you a screen when I am in work mode :) | 13:48 |
SfietKonstantin | and that FF is just eating all the RAM it can find | 13:48 |
SfietKonstantin | and yeah, I _never_ close tabs | 13:48 |
Superpelican | my FF often uses 300 mb | 13:48 |
SfietKonstantin | Superpelican: mine can raise up to > 1 gig :P | 13:48 |
Superpelican | SfietKonstantin:Do you really think I use 32 bits? ;) | 13:48 |
Yaniel | 300MB? that's cute | 13:48 |
Morpog_ | Superpelican, http://t.co/5odDHhXu | 13:49 |
Yaniel | I get that with a single tab | 13:49 |
SfietKonstantin | lol | 13:49 |
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Superpelican | OMG | 13:49 |
Superpelican | :O | 13:49 |
SfietKonstantin | Morpog_: 14 gigs ? | 13:49 |
* Superpelican goes mad | 13:49 | |
SfietKonstantin | :O | 13:49 |
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Morpog_ | video cutting + photoshop at the same time | 13:49 |
Yaniel | sometimes I wish I had 16GiBs of ram too | 13:50 |
Morpog_ | 1080p footage | 13:50 |
SfietKonstantin | however, having 4 "cores" (just learnt that it was 2 cores with 2 threads each) at 100% is usual | 13:50 |
Morpog_ | well, those are 4 real cores :) | 13:50 |
Yaniel | SfietKonstantin: hyperthreading? | 13:50 |
SfietKonstantin | the problem is that the motherboard of the LX20x are not compatbile with 8 gigs of ram :@ | 13:50 |
SfietKonstantin | Yaniel: yep | 13:50 |
Superpelican | SfietKonstantin:All Intel laptop CPUs are dual core | 13:50 |
Superpelican | except for the QM ones | 13:50 |
Superpelican | which are true Quad cores | 13:51 |
SfietKonstantin | :( | 13:51 |
SfietKonstantin | I would have loved 4 cores 8 gig of ram | 13:52 |
SfietKonstantin | Lenovo X series keyboard | 13:52 |
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SfietKonstantin | (something you cannot find anywhere now :() | 13:52 |
Superpelican | SfietKonstantin:I would've loved 1600*900 or 1080p screen and a core i5 or i7 | 13:53 |
SfietKonstantin | Superpelican: don't care about screen, care about hacking :P | 13:53 |
SfietKonstantin | so kbd > screen :P | 13:53 |
Yaniel | you clearly are no graphics programmer :D | 13:53 |
Morpog_ | 1980p screen on smaller than 24" is so useless without a proper DPI scaling | 13:54 |
Morpog_ | 1080p* | 13:54 |
Superpelican | SfietKonstantin:You will understand the difference between a low PPI screen and a high PPI one after you've switched from a 320*240 screen to a 800*480 one | 13:54 |
SfietKonstantin | Yaniel: no :P | 13:54 |
Superpelican | Samsung Galaxy Mini -> Nokia N900 | 13:55 |
SfietKonstantin | (not yet ?) | 13:55 |
Superpelican | what a difference :) | 13:55 |
Superpelican | I love the screen of my N900 | 13:55 |
Superpelican | it's *so* much better | 13:55 |
Morpog_ | superpelican, how about a 13,3" samsung at 3200x1800 | 13:56 |
Superpelican | meh | 13:57 |
Morpog_ | http://www.slashgear.com/samsung-reveals-5565-uhd-tvs-and-13-3-retina-beating-ultrabook-display-20282744/ | 13:57 |
Superpelican | Morpog_:I'm not the kind of guy that will whine when he has a 720P 5 inch screen instead of a 1080P | 13:57 |
Superpelican | :) | 13:57 |
Morpog_ | nice ;) | 13:58 |
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Superpelican | you can overdo things ;) | 13:58 |
Morpog_ | yeah and they really do :) | 13:58 |
Morpog_ | apple and samsung dick contest at resolution.... | 13:58 |
Superpelican | Morpog_:If the Jolla has a 960*540 screen I'm fine :) | 14:00 |
Superpelican | Morpog_:Everyone thinks the Jolla will have a 720p or 1080p screen | 14:01 |
Superpelican | because they said it will be a HD | 14:01 |
Morpog_ | well not me .) | 14:01 |
Superpelican | but 960*540 = qHD | 14:01 |
Superpelican | Morpog_:So | 14:01 |
Superpelican | it could also be a qHD screen ;) | 14:01 |
Yaniel | imagine the rage if it was | 14:01 |
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Superpelican | who cares? | 14:02 |
Superpelican | Yaniel:The GSII has 800*480 on 4,3 inch | 14:02 |
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Yaniel | do they call it HD? | 14:02 |
Yaniel | well, N8 was called nHD... | 14:03 |
Superpelican | lol | 14:04 |
Yaniel | and that's what 640x360 | 14:06 |
yunta | what's wrong with qHD? | 14:09 |
Yaniel | I don't know how well people accept it as 'HD' | 14:10 |
Yaniel | maybe they do on a phone | 14:10 |
Morpog_ | Yaniel, they could call it Retina :) | 14:10 |
Yaniel | :D | 14:11 |
Morpog_ | People accepted that as revolutionary | 14:11 |
Yaniel | oh well http://xkcd.com/732/ | 14:13 |
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Morpog_ | lol | 14:14 |
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Superpelican | SfietKonstantin:Well in order to be able to use QVector I had to rewrite a part of my program | 17:13 |
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Superpelican | while testing it after the partial rewrite | 17:13 |
Superpelican | I found a bug | 17:13 |
Superpelican | in it | 17:13 |
Superpelican | due to my KISS homemade multilingual system | 17:14 |
Superpelican | which is especially Stupid | 17:14 |
Superpelican | I changed something in the languagepack | 17:14 |
Superpelican | so the line numbers changed | 17:14 |
Superpelican | and now it isn't in sync with my program anymore :( | 17:15 |
Superpelican | But I'm too lazy to go fix it | 17:15 |
Superpelican | so I'll just continue work on the Sailfish app | 17:15 |
Superpelican | my whole multilingual system is doomed anyway | 17:15 |
Superpelican | only a fool would actually use it ;) | 17:15 |
Superpelican | So I hope nobody actually is using my program | 17:16 |
Superpelican | (which I highly doubt) | 17:16 |
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Superpelican | I haven't even packaged it | 17:16 |
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yunta | Superpelican: qt translation system is actually quite nice. it may be interesting for you to see how they solved problems you may have faced during creation of yours. | 17:59 |
Superpelican | yunta:Actually the point is that I wasn't using the Qt translating system ;) | 17:59 |
Superpelican | but my own home made | 17:59 |
Superpelican | in another desktop command line app | 17:59 |
Superpelican | which is the base of my Sailfish app :) | 18:00 |
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yunta | sure | 18:00 |
Superpelican | yunta:Do you understand? | 18:00 |
yunta | but, it may be cheap to switch | 18:00 |
Superpelican | yunta:I'm already switching :) | 18:00 |
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yunta | ok | 18:00 |
yunta | just remember about plurals :) | 18:00 |
Superpelican | yunta:? | 18:01 |
Superpelican | oh | 18:01 |
Superpelican | I understand | 18:01 |
Superpelican | you mean plurals in the to be translated text | 18:01 |
yunta | yes | 18:02 |
Superpelican | I've already read a doc about that | 18:02 |
yunta | cool | 18:02 |
Superpelican | which teaches you how you can overcome that problem | 18:02 |
Superpelican | it was a developer.nokia.com doc page | 18:02 |
Superpelican | developer.nokia.com doc pages make me sad :( | 18:02 |
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Superpelican | yunta:Because they say "Develop for the Nokia N9" :( | 18:03 |
yunta | lol, I still use that | 18:03 |
Superpelican | which remembers me of the N9, that was never given a chance :( | 18:03 |
yunta | well, it has place in my pocket - so it won the most important market :D | 18:05 |
Morpog_ | yeah, same here | 18:06 |
Morpog_ | only a Jolla could made it go away from there :) | 18:06 |
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