Friday, 2013-08-16

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Stskeeps - isn't that where ubuntu edge is too?07:06
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dathuiI'm looking around a bit but so far I haven't found anything regarding the edge having similar problems, do you have a source?07:11
Stskeepsi don't, but the approaches are similar -- first delivery in 2014, big over the edge attempt of hw07:13
Stskeepshope they won't run into that07:13
Stskeeps.. not that i don't think paypal is evil07:13
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dathuibut yea there are similarities, but the edge does have the advantage of being funded by a known organisation. on the other hand, all crowdfunding has the same "problem"07:14
dathuithese seems nice;
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MFaro-TusinoI have a design question10:11
MFaro-TusinoI'm looking to implement my active cover without actions, but dynamically updating information. Is that against the whole sailfish mantra?10:12
Stskeepsnot really10:12
MFaro-Tusinoonly other option is to have actions to toggle what info is displayed10:13
MFaro-Tusino(it will be a system profiler app, so shows battery state, ram, free storage, etc)10:13
yuntasounds nice10:19
yuntajust don't update that info when screen is off :P10:20
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Nicd-MFaro-Tusino: will you implement a battery graph? that would be sweet10:28
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MFaro-TusinoNicd-: I'll need to look into how its done but if i can work it out/get help, definitely10:29
MFaro-Tusinoyunta: Here's to hoping I can find some way to detect screen on or not ;)10:30
yuntaMFaro-Tusino: if there's now way - we'll make a way10:35
JonniMFaro-Tusino: yes there is mce qbus signal atleast to detect if screen is on or not.10:36
Jonnidbus even10:36
MFaro-TusinoWell i'll fiddle this weekend and see what i can do10:36
MFaro-TusinoWell there you go, thanks Jonni10:36
Jonniand there might be even easier ways, just dont remember them now :)10:37
MFaro-TusinoAlthough, if there is a standby/lpm screen implementation, i may have it update, and feed the data to that10:37
MFaro-Tusino(Better, give users option to update when screen off or not)10:38
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SuperpelicanSfietKonstantin:What is a QML delegate?13:28
SuperpelicanSfietKonstantin:They seem to be used a lot13:29
Superpelicanbut I can't find anywhere what they actually *are*13:29
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SfietKonstantinSuperpelican: did you ever played with QML ListView ?13:30
SfietKonstantinor maybe SilicaListView ?13:30
SfietKonstantinyou will find them here13:30
Superpelicannever used any *View13:30
SfietKonstantina delegate is a way to render information contained in a model13:30
SfietKonstantinit basically render (eg) one line of a list13:30
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SuperpelicanSfietKonstantin:And what "model" would that be?13:31
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Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: a model ?13:32
Sfiet_Konstantina list of cities to display when searching a city (in weatherfish)13:32
Superpelicanit sounds a bit abstract to me13:32
Sfiet_Konstantina list of facebook photo albums for a given user ?13:32
Sfiet_Konstantineven a settings page, that have many subpages13:33
Sfiet_Konstantinit is a list of buttons13:33
SuperpelicanSo basically13:33
Superpelicana model is a kind of collection13:33
Superpelicanof items13:33
Superpelican(not as in qml items)13:33
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: note that in Qt, the Controller do not really exist13:34
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:I've never understood MVC13:34
SuperpelicanI've heard about it13:34
Superpelicanespecially related to web applications13:35
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Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: MVC is an essential pattern13:35
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:So the Model in MVC is the data?13:35
Sfiet_Konstantin(but like all patterns, you don't need to follow them)13:35
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:The View the UI?13:35
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:And the Controller the app logic?13:35
Sfiet_Konstantin(but better follow them or the guy who read your code will kill you)13:35
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: yes13:35
Superpelican*3 ?13:35
Sfiet_Konstantina model is what contains data to be displayed. It should be pretty passive13:36
Sfiet_Konstantina View is the UI part, something to interact with the model13:36
Sfiet_Konstantinhowever, since the model is passive, you interact with a controller that updates the model13:36
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SuperpelicanI understand13:36
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SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:But why did you say that the Controller doesn't exist in Qt?13:36
SuperpelicanIsn't the Controller essential?13:36
Sfiet_Konstantinbecause it is somehow in the model or the view13:37
Sfiet_Konstantinwell, I never figured out where the C is hidden in Qt13:37
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:The model could be C++ and the View QML?13:37
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: of cause13:37
Sfiet_Konstantinread Qt Docs: QAbstractListModel13:37
Superpelicans/of cause/of course13:37
Sfiet_Konstantin(in weatherfish, I use C++ models )13:38
Sfiet_Konstantinof cause13:38
Sfiet_Konstantinlet me say of cause13:38
Sfiet_Konstantinof course :)13:38
SuperpelicanOf cause I'll let you say of cause13:38
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Sfiet_Konstantinso that's why delegates re used often in QML13:41
Sfiet_Konstantindon't be afraid, it is pretty easy13:41
SuperpelicanI'll read some more docs then13:41
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Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: read also the docs of QML ListView and ListModel, and play with examples13:45
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SuperpelicanSfietKonstantin: My Quick Clamshell [Announce] thread on TMO has 198 views :D16:28
Superpelicanbut still 0 replies :(16:31
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Morpog_Superpelican, really?16:46
SuperpelicanMorpog_:Go check TMO ;)16:46
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mike7b4_lenovohmm Qt5 has QtQuick.LocaleStorage but trying to import that in my QML in sailfish gives: Error: Error while loading page: file:///usr/share/instacatclient/qml/sailfishui/pages/SettingsPage.qml:3 module "QtQuick.LocalStorage" is not installed19:41
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specialmike7b4_lenovo: make sure the qt5-qtdeclarative-import-localstorageplugin is installed19:43
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mike7b4_lenovospecial, a saeems it installed in mersdk but not in emulator.20:25
* mike7b4_lenovo install it manually now20:25
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