Thursday, 2013-09-19

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sardinihello, please can the sdk simulate rotation?14:29
fk_lxsardini: I doubt it can14:31
sardiniI doubt too14:32
fk_lxsardini: but you can change orientation (there was some example in documentation)14:32
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oleshi! are there any source code of sailfishos available online?15:50
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wmaroneoles: all of MerProject and NemoMobile are open15:54
wmaronethe Sailfish layers are not open source15:54
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oleswmarone, i'm interested in subsystem which lest run android apps on it, is it open or not?16:03
wmaroneI wouldn't expect it to be open16:03
wmaroneno details have been given but it could be openmobile's ACL16:04
sardinioles, lokk at libhybris16:05
wmaronelibhybris doesn't do much for Android apps16:10
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wmaronelibhybris is mostly about driver binaries built against android16:10
Wntthe finnish version of the phone specigfications reveals more info about the other half connections:
WntNFC, I2C, power in / out16:14
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wmaroneyup, they were discussing that in #jollamobile earlier16:19
Wntah, maybe that is a better channel for this type of discussion16:20
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Naphatulso i just checked out the website and it's not that descriptive, can i try it out in a VM?16:40
Morpog_PCsailfish SDK16:41
Morpog_PCor watch the youtube video with martin schuehle16:41
Naphatulcan you link to it? i found a couple but nothing with him16:42
Morpog_PCthat was old prototype btw16:43
Morpog_PCwith bigger bezel16:43
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Naphatulso the release version will cost 400 euros?16:50
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Morpog_PCNaphatul, they say not more than 39917:16
Morpog_PCso could be less17:16
Nicd-I doubt it though17:17
Morpog_PCwould be a nice gesture for the missing 720p display :)17:19
Nicd-not like they owe us anything17:20
Morpog_PCnope, but they could have announced it more early. Old prototype display was clearly qHD already17:23
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StskeepsMorpog_PC: think you're about the only one who noticed17:23
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DarkSimQuite sad to see the resolution in the specs17:46
DarkSimthought it would be higher17:46
DarkSimbut I have no idea how good the mobile CPU's are17:46
DarkSimOnly thing I know is that the tegra 3 gets hotter than the sun17:46
Sfiet_KonstantinDarkSim: the specs aren't bad17:47
Sfiet_Konstantindid you saw any vid and complained about the screen ?17:47
Sfiet_KonstantinAnd I have seen the device and thought that it was higher res17:47
DarkSimBut I'd just imagine a new phone having 1080p17:47
Sfiet_Konstantinso I was wrong too17:47
Sfiet_KonstantinDarkSim: I imagine a new phone having 4k and 8 cores CPU17:48
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Sfiet_Konstantinbut I will get the jolla17:48
Sfiet_Konstantinsimply because it is awesome17:48
DarkSimI don't dislike the phone by any means17:49
DarkSimI just wished it would be somewhat of a powerhouse17:49
DarkSimAt least compared to the One X in some regard, so I could compare it easier :P17:49
Sfiet_KonstantinDarkSim: well, it is their 1st phone17:50
Sfiet_Konstantinif they survive until the 2nd gen HW17:50
Sfiet_Konstantinit might be way more amazing17:50
DarkSimI expect Octa-core next time :D17:50
Sfiet_KonstantinDarkSim: not me17:50
* DarkSim is not serious by any means17:50
zmcDarkSim, when your cellphone has more power than a netbook, and runs slow.  Your software is bad.  I don't think sailfish will have the same issues as android.17:50
Sfiet_Konstantinah :P17:50
DarkSimWell I hope this "more linux than android" thing really makes it fast17:51
DarkSimbecause Linux can be lightning fast17:51
DarkSimAndroid feels like it can never become fast, it can just fix it's heinous amounts of layers into pretty decent speed17:51
DarkSimStill love my Android phone more than any iPhony device :P17:51
Sfiet_KonstantinDarkSim: one word: Java17:52
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DarkSiminb4 Archfish is released lololol17:52
zmcAs much as I dislike wayland, it should make it a lot easier to have whaever flavour of linux you want on your device.17:53
DarkSimEven Ubuntu Touch!17:53
* DarkSim shivers17:53
zmcEven the bad touch if you want17:54
Sfiet_Konstantinzmc: why don't you like wayland ?17:55
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zmcSfiet_Konstantin : Another layer of abstraction that takes the whole gfx subsystem.  I like X and vt's.  Wayland creates problems for me that I don't want, and solves problems that I don't have.18:00
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Sfiet_KonstantinX is a layer too :D18:01
Sfiet_Konstantinvt, why not18:01
Sfiet_Konstantinwayland works well, that's all18:01
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zmcSfiet_Konstantin : Wayland is scheduled to work well.18:02
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Sfiet_Konstantinzmc: so, that's a good choice18:02
Sfiet_Konstantinzmc: X is scheduled to work bad :P18:02
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zmcthe only thing that I think is interesting about wayland is the ability to implement qt servers that can render qml natively in a client-server way.18:02
zmcX runs beautifully here, wayland won't even compile.18:03
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Sfiet_Konstantinzmc: really ?18:05
zmcI run a mach64 ati on an old sparc workstation18:05
zmcWhen wayland runs better on this than X, I'll eat my hat. But I'm not beeting on it being any time in the next 5 years.18:06
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Sfiet_Konstantinlooks fun :)18:07
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zmcThan again, X was supposed to be "teh new awesome" 20 years ago.  I'm guessing wayland will catch up in 10.18:09
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Sfiet_Konstantinzmc: maybe18:19
Sfiet_Konstantinmaybe not18:19
Sfiet_Konstantinat least it is already in the jolla phone18:19
Stskeepsperforms much better than x11 ever did18:20
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sardiniStskeeps, much better in pseed or in RAM ?18:21
Stskeepsspeed and ram, for our use cases18:22
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mhall119wayland isn't an abstraction layer, it's a replacement for X, and a much simpler one at that18:45
zmcmhall119 : I guess "a different" would have been better than "another".  But unless you have a wayland native app, you have to run X on wayland to do it.  So then it would be both "a different" and "another".18:55
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mhall119getting native Wayland apps is easier than you might think, since any app written in Qt or Gtk will become one automatically19:00
zmcmhall119 : I imagine no such luck for xlib or motif though.19:01
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mhall119probably not, but how many apps that you care about actually use them?19:01
zmcLol, most things I have run today.  But I understand that I am a very unusual fringe case.19:02
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zmcMaybe later tonight I'll try to get it to run again.  It's been a few months since I tried it.19:03
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mhall119I feel sorry for your eyes if you are using a bunch of xlib and motif apps :)19:03
zmcI rather like it.  It's an acquired taste. :)19:04
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zmcI have a 3d-accelerated kde desktop to my left that is using all of it's 4 cores and 2.5g of ram to play my music for when I'm feeling too spartan and I need to see something wiggle and shimmer.19:05
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sardinican a rectangle {} fade his border?23:05
sardiniin qml23:05
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