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artemma | Aand Flashlight app for Sailfish OS got submitted to Jolla Harbour! :) | 01:26 |
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coderus | artemma: good luck | 01:36 |
artemma | thanks | 01:36 |
coderus | my app still in QA for 5 days :) | 01:37 |
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artemma | coderus: good luck! | 01:46 |
artemma | what's the app? | 01:46 |
coderus | artemma: whatsapp client :) | 01:47 |
artemma | that's useful indeed! | 01:47 |
artemma | I could use it on day one even :) | 01:47 |
coderus | you can use it already on emulator :) | 01:47 |
artemma | hmm, I somehow thought that so important apps should get some sort of a fast track even if coming from indy devs | 01:48 |
coderus | well, i think QA team just using it every day and can't stop to push it to Harbour :D | 01:49 |
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TemeV | coderus: does your whatsapp client integrate to telepathy (or what ever the messaging app is called in sailfish) | 07:58 |
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coderus | TemeV: no | 08:18 |
TemeV | :( | 08:19 |
coderus | TemeV: i need device to make full integration ;) | 08:19 |
TemeV | ok :) | 08:20 |
coderus | TemeV: purple whatsapp plugin is ready and working on ubuntu pidgin :) | 08:20 |
coderus | even location and voice recording features are disabled | 08:20 |
TemeV | well I think whatsapp app is better that no whatsapp | 08:21 |
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TemeV | one think I hate with N9 is that there is no plugin for whatsapp | 08:21 |
TemeV | I always forget to start the app after I've had to boot the phone | 08:22 |
coderus | N9 have no group chats management, so you want to use whatsapp without group chat feature? | 08:22 |
TemeV | oh, thats why facebook group chats don't work either | 08:23 |
TemeV | I didn't know that there is such restrictions | 08:24 |
coderus | n9's telepathy have groups, but ui have no such function :) | 08:25 |
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TemeV | so yeat another thing they didn't get to finish | 08:33 |
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coderus | i hope sailfish will be open enough for community patches | 08:44 |
Yaniel | mer and nemo certainly are | 08:45 |
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coderus | Yaniel: i know. currently i mean sailfishos patches :) | 08:47 |
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Yaniel | what would those technically be? fixes for silica? | 08:48 |
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faenil | coderus, mer and nemo *is* sailfish | 08:57 |
Stskeeps | well, rather | 08:57 |
faenil | yeah opposite :P | 08:58 |
Stskeeps | sailfishos = mer + nemo mw + sailfish ui | 08:58 |
Stskeeps | :P | 08:58 |
faenil | sailfish *is* mer and nemo :P + ui | 08:58 |
faenil | Stskeeps, ah, take that whip away :P | 08:58 |
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coderus | Yaniel: yes, for Silica | 09:11 |
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nodevel | Hey! I have a question regarding building RPMs for armv7hl in Sailfish SDK. I am quite new to this... I set up the target, it build succesfully... But I cannot find the .rpm file anywhere... Where is it placed? | 09:32 |
nodevel | *builds | 09:32 |
nodevel | There's a ~/rpmbuild/ folder, but nothing inside. | 09:34 |
Yaniel | hmm do you maybe need to deploy the app for it ti generate the package? | 09:35 |
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nodevel | i wrote an app -> set the target to armv7hl -> set 'deploy as rpm' -> clicked 'build' -> succesful output | 09:48 |
nodevel | Yaniel: you mean anything more than that? | 09:48 |
Yaniel | I mean the 'deploy' command | 09:49 |
Yaniel | in the project or build menu IIRC | 09:49 |
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nodevel | thank you! that should be the problem | 09:54 |
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nodevel | what should be then set as 'Device type' and 'Device' in the armv7hl target? (i'm sorry for asking questions with most likely obvious answers, it's just my 1st time deploying an app this way :) ) | 10:06 |
coderus | nodevel: you should select "Deploy RPM to device" instead of "Deploy RSYNC to device" | 10:09 |
coderus | nodevel: click small arrow near big green "Run" arrow. | 10:09 |
coderus | nodevel: default action copies files, not creating rpm package | 10:10 |
nodevel | coderus: thanks. i have selected this option (of course that before, when testing the app, i was using the rsync option), but it fails to deploy - there's an exclamation mark next to the armv7hl target in Options. it says the reason is i need to choose a device (and if i choose either of devices available, the exclamation mark is still there) | 10:12 |
nodevel | the output says 'Fatal: deploy must have a valid --device' | 10:15 |
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nodevel | alright, i've solved it. i needed to set 'emulator' as the device and it built the rpms even with the 'red exclamation mark' next to it. thanks everyone | 10:25 |
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artemma | was reading about harbor updates today. Me dislikes | 16:06 |
artemma | or shall I say "me unlikes"? | 16:06 |
artemma | changes are not bad, but how they are given. I am now completely lost about what to do about the apps currently at app store | 16:06 |
artemma | Does anybody understand whether you can still apply old requirements for the launch date period? It's sort of a very special date | 16:07 |
artemma | cybette: maybe you know? | 16:07 |
Yaniel | what updates? | 16:09 |
w00t | artemma: we're trying to figure things out ourselves. the problem is that the ball was dropped a bit until it got noticed, so now we're playing catch up - we'll have more answers for you soon | 16:10 |
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artemma | w00t: thanks. In general I am totally fine with this sort of things for a young company. It's closeness of the launch date that makes the situation special. Having my flashlight in the device on day 1 in important | 16:12 |
artemma | and worth a lot | 16:12 |
w00t | I understand, and I'm sorry this has come so late | 16:12 |
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w00t | (on the other hand.. better now than we break everyone's applications a few months down the line! :p) | 16:13 |
artemma | I'd be happy if somebody just told: "yes your Qt module imports via Requires won't work already now, but we promise to do whatever we can to review all resubmitted apps in 24 hrs now" | 16:13 |
artemma | w00t: nope. Few month down the line is much better. Again, launch day is special | 16:13 |
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artemma | current review speeds at 9 days+ while there are only few apps submitted every day pretty much leaves debs and me out of hope for submitting any fix for launch date | 16:14 |
artemma | 9+ days | 16:15 |
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artemma | Yaniel: https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2013-November/001319.html | 16:17 |
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coderus | artemma: just wait for SDK update. you need to start project from scratch and name it org.artemma.flashlight. then copy back your sources and resources. and use 86x86 icon. | 16:19 |
artemma | coderus: have you understood what to do with Qt module Requires? | 16:20 |
coderus | artemma: or you can hack sailfishapp.prf now (as i did ;) and force it to use 86x86 icon. and then start project fom scratch :) | 16:20 |
artemma | I failed to understand | 16:20 |
coderus | artemma: nothing | 16:20 |
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coderus | everything comes from sailfish official repository are allowed | 16:21 |
artemma | Don't we need to package them into some special folder now? | 16:21 |
w00t | coderus: no | 16:21 |
coderus | nemo libraries are not allowed at the moment | 16:21 |
artemma | How do I know if it comes from official repository? | 16:21 |
w00t | not everything is allowed | 16:21 |
coderus | w00t really? :) | 16:21 |
coderus | w00t example please | 16:22 |
w00t | coderus: yes, really - if we cannot promise that the API or ABI of a given library won't change, we won't allow use of it in the store until we can | 16:22 |
coderus | artemma: if you not enabled additional repositories in emulator and your project builds - use it as is. | 16:22 |
coderus | w00t: what? me laughing. how libraries in official sailfish repository can change? :D | 16:23 |
artemma | I use particularly two modules (standard qt5 modules, but not included into emulator by default): qt5-qtdeclarative-systeminfo, qt5-qtgraphicaleffects. How do I know if these are fine to Require or not? | 16:23 |
coderus | w00t: it means bad ecosystem ,nothing else, if true | 16:23 |
coderus | artemma: qt5-declarative modules are fine | 16:23 |
w00t | coderus: we don't maintain everything in our operating system by ourselves | 16:24 |
coderus | artemma: use it | 16:24 |
artemma | coderus: libraries have versions. Maybe they didn't think deep about updates story | 16:24 |
w00t | systeminfo is not ok, as I already explained on the mailing list | 16:24 |
artemma | w00t: I was reading replies, must have missed it.. | 16:24 |
coderus | w00t: just publish blacklist then | 16:24 |
w00t | artemma: the reply was directed at you: https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2013-November/001322.html | 16:24 |
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coderus | but most of qt5 and silica packages can be used anyway ;) | 16:25 |
w00t | coderus: once we're sure of it, we will | 16:25 |
coderus | w00t: it confusing me | 16:25 |
artemma | w00t: i still failed to understood whether it's requirement already for now (my app will be rejected) or I can correct it after the launch | 16:26 |
w00t | artemma: that we don't know yet | 16:26 |
coderus | w00t: situation confising me* | 16:26 |
w00t | which is why I haven't answered that on the mailing list, and neither has anyone else | 16:26 |
w00t | once we have an answer, you'll get it | 16:26 |
coderus | w00t: thats it! you dont know it yet, as i supposed :D | 16:26 |
artemma | w00t: okay, now I got it, you are still thinking abt the launch date situation - that helps me, thanks | 16:26 |
w00t | coderus: what confuses you? | 16:27 |
artemma | w00t: Do you know if qt5-qtgraphicaleffects is expected to be OK? If not I can start replacing glow effects with pre rendered graphics already now | 16:27 |
coderus | w00t: rejecting depends because you dont know if it working good or bad | 16:27 |
coderus | w00t: if something working bad then need to be hurry in fixing it | 16:27 |
w00t | coderus: we haven't decided whether or not we want to reject the already submitted applications that don't pass all checks, because this whole situation only came up pretty recently, and we're close to launch (obviously) | 16:29 |
w00t | coderus: if you want to fix the points mentioned, then go ahead, that's great | 16:29 |
w00t | artemma: let me go refresh my memory | 16:29 |
artemma | w00t: take your time, I am all ears | 16:30 |
locusf | hmm I wonder what my librarys mean in his context | 16:30 |
locusf | I have eg kqouath | 16:30 |
coderus | graphical features should be ok, its only hw and mw features are suspicious, imho. | 16:30 |
locusf | *kqoauth | 16:30 |
w00t | locusf: ah, you were the one submitting that | 16:31 |
w00t | locusf: you can't install it to /usr/lib | 16:31 |
locusf | oh | 16:31 |
locusf | okay | 16:31 |
coderus | w00t: sure i want be helpful. i'm waiting for an answer from jolla jobs :) | 16:31 |
w00t | locusf: change it to install to your sandbox path as the mail on the devel list mentioned, use rpath to link your application against it, and it's ok | 16:31 |
locusf | what about ld_library_path | 16:31 |
locusf | w00t: ok | 16:31 |
locusf | on runtime it might not work | 16:32 |
w00t | kontio: did we talk about qtgraphicaleffects yet? | 16:32 |
w00t | kontio: i don't think we did, so i guess i need to go do research... | 16:32 |
w00t | locusf: LD_LIBRARY_PATH would be ok too, if you could get it to work - personally i'd find rpath less magical but that's me | 16:33 |
kontio | w00t: I don't think so qtgraphicaleffects | 16:33 |
kontio | I guess you don't have a chance to set LD_LIBRARY_PATH any where... | 16:34 |
locusf | gotta investigate rpath too | 16:35 |
* artemma is interested in qt5-qtgraphicaleffects | 16:36 | |
w00t | artemma: if you want to be safe, I'd disable it for now as we're definitely not allowing it right at this minute | 16:37 |
artemma | w00t: sad, but thanks | 16:37 |
w00t | I think we *can* allow it, but I'll need to double check | 16:37 |
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artemma | replacing them with the graphics.. well, I'll try. Maybe I just take a screenshot and post process somehow | 16:38 |
* artemma still hopes that it will be possible to fix after the launch | 16:38 | |
artemma | too little time before the launch unfortunately | 16:39 |
w00t | as in update? of course, just because it's released doesn't mean that's it :-p | 16:40 |
artemma | w00t: as in "my submitted apps that violate new requirements will be installable and usable by users on the day one" :D | 16:40 |
artemma | like already in the post 450-sales beer parties | 16:41 |
w00t | having a torch in scandinavia at this time of year is certainly useful | 16:41 |
artemma | if reqs are enforced a month later - no problem, I'll do the updates and you'll clarify policy about standard Qt modules as well | 16:41 |
* artemma ha Wikipedia too. Hey, maybe this upgrading situation explains why it's for 9days in review by now | 16:42 | |
* artemma has* Wikipedia too | 16:42 | |
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artemma | okay, my Wikipedia app is quite a primitive example by now, not like Flashlight that looks actually good | 16:42 |
locusf | w00t: what about the other 2 apps I submitted, I guess those are ok except the icon path and size | 16:43 |
w00t | locusf: kontio might be kind enough to kick the tyres and let you know | 16:43 |
w00t | I don't have access to any of the infra/stuff, I'm just acting as API nazi :p | 16:44 |
kontio | locusf: what apps...? | 16:45 |
locusf | w00t: thanks :) | 16:46 |
* kontio also has not access to the harbour as admin, but he got to see some rpms :-) | 16:46 | |
locusf | kontio: quicklist and mtgcounter | 16:46 |
Morpog_PC | Updated jolla-icon-shapes on Github because of updated launcher icon size and Harbour rejectings. https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2013-November/001319.html | 16:46 |
Morpog_PC | Be sure to pull latest commit: https://github.com/Morpog/jolla-icon-shapes | 16:47 |
locusf | Morpog_PC: thanks a bunch :) | 16:47 |
Morpog_PC | :D | 16:47 |
kontio | locusf: sorry these rpms I didn't get into my hands yet, but I know that the quicklist uses qtwebkit... which w00t the API nazi does not like... | 16:48 |
locusf | hmm does it? | 16:48 |
locusf | probably a bad dependency | 16:48 |
artemma | This wave of updates couldn't have been initialized by my app compatibility-upgraded question, could it? :D https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2013-November/001313.html | 16:48 |
kontio | locusf: yeah a tester was complaining that it can't install the qt5-webkit rpm... | 16:49 |
artemma | I asked it just yesterday at night :) | 16:49 |
kontio | so if that is a old dependency in the rpm clean that up | 16:49 |
kontio | artemma: no that started a little before... | 16:50 |
locusf | kontio: ok | 16:50 |
artemma | kontio: I am sure about it, but a funny coincidence :) | 16:50 |
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locusf | w00t: unix:QMAKE_RPATHDIR += /usr/share/$$TARGET <- is this enough? | 17:24 |
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w00t | locusf: it's been forever since I tried things like that, so I don't factually remember ;) | 17:32 |
w00t | give it a shot and see if it works | 17:32 |
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locusf | w00t: ok :) | 17:35 |
locusf | wow it did work | 17:36 |
locusf | w00t: thanks for the tip | 17:36 |
locusf | or hmm | 17:36 |
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locusf | the libs still were there in /opt/sdk/blaa/usr/lib | 17:38 |
locusf | it didn't work :/ | 17:39 |
locusf | /opt/sdk/bluewhale/usr/bin/bluewhale: error while loading shared libraries: libkQOAuth.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory | 17:39 |
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w00t | locusf: and it's appearing in your linker lines? | 17:44 |
locusf | w00t: nope | 17:44 |
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locusf | w00t: now it did, with LFLAGS | 17:46 |
locusf | for the reference QMAKE_LFLAGS += -Wl,--rpath=\\\$/usr/share/yourapp | 17:47 |
locusf | damn I gotta rebuild every time, it takes like 3 minutes for all of the sources to compile | 17:49 |
locusf | lol | 17:49 |
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kontio | 3min are up, does it work? | 17:53 |
w00t | haha | 17:53 |
kontio | so I know what to add to the FAQs ;-) | 17:53 |
locusf | another rebuild | 17:53 |
locusf | QMAKE_RPATHDIR is probably more official | 17:53 |
w00t | whatever you can get working .. ;) | 17:55 |
locusf | nope that didn't work | 17:55 |
locusf | QMAKE_RPATHDIR that is | 17:55 |
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locusf | trying QMAKE_LFLAGS += -Wl,--rpath=/usr/share/bluewhale | 17:56 |
kontio | https://gitorious.org/querymee/querymee/source/fdd0ee744d949448f279e4a273fb3c751222bd11:src/src.pro#L12 worked for me | 17:57 |
kontio | with the QMAKE_LFLAGS | 17:58 |
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kontio | seems there needs to be a , between the -rpath and the path it self... | 17:58 |
locusf | hmm it might be the sdk env thats messing it up | 17:59 |
locusf | and I don't have a silica env at hand at the moment | 18:00 |
locusf | maybe after 5 mins, please wait | 18:00 |
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locusf | still building for armv7hl | 18:07 |
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locusf | Fatal: deploy must have a valid --device | 18:08 |
locusf | sigh | 18:08 |
locusf | it hasn't done this before now | 18:09 |
locusf | QMAKE_LFLAGS += -Wl,-rpath,/usr/share/bluewhale <- this works on device | 18:12 |
locusf | won't work on emulator | 18:12 |
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locusf | ok back again, will try with dual paths now | 19:33 |
locusf | -Wl,-rpath,/usr/share/bluewhale,-rpath,/opt/sdk/bluewhale/usr/share/bluewhale <- something like this | 19:33 |
locusf | hacky I admit | 19:33 |
locusf | that worked though | 19:35 |
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AlphaX2 | Ahoj sailors! | 20:46 |
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AlphaX2 | I'm new to Qt with C++ so maybe this is not a specific SailfishOS question. I just want save some data to a file (via QFile), but I get this error: "No such file or directory". In my case I try to save the data to /home/nemo/.local/share/CubeTimer (the folder is created with QDir.mkpath() if not already there). So this works and I thought if I give QFile a QString it's creating the file. Here is the code (some parts missing): http://p | 20:57 |
Yaniel | the URL got cut off | 20:58 |
ottulo | well, he did say "some parts missing" | 20:58 |
Yaniel | yes :D | 20:59 |
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AlphaX2 | sorry was not the load function I wanted to show: http://pastebin.com/FxHN8q3J | 21:00 |
ottulo | I tried some Qt today as well again... but with basically 0 programming experience it seems like there's just too much to catch up on before I can make even the simplest app work... | 21:00 |
Yaniel | basic C++ should be a good start | 21:00 |
AlphaX2 | where do you stuck Yaniel? | 21:00 |
Yaniel | ? | 21:01 |
AlphaX2 | what problem stops you? | 21:01 |
AlphaX2 | Nothing specific? | 21:01 |
Yaniel | me? none | 21:01 |
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Yaniel | AlphaX2: this looks like you create a directory and then try to open it as a text file | 21:02 |
Yaniel | ...almost | 21:02 |
Yaniel | but the pathes are different | 21:02 |
ottulo | AlphaX2 you probably meant me, and nothing specific... I simply am completely new to Qt/C++ so anything I want to do I have to research, from the smallest task | 21:02 |
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Yaniel | AlphaX2: ~ may not be /home/nemo | 21:06 |
AlphaX2 | Yaniel, but I create the folder with QDir and the folder is .../CubeTimer in this folder I want to create a file and I'm doing this with QFile("...CubeTimer/times.sav") | 21:06 |
AlphaX2 | instead? | 21:07 |
Yaniel | and .local/share/ is certainly nowhere near .local/share/share/ | 21:07 |
AlphaX2 | I also tried "~/..." | 21:07 |
Yaniel | and you are creating a directory called times.sav | 21:07 |
AlphaX2 | ouch share/share is not wanted^^ | 21:08 |
Yaniel | and then try to open that *directory* as a file | 21:08 |
AlphaX2 | and why a directory? | 21:08 |
AlphaX2 | okay | 21:09 |
AlphaX2 | WTF | 21:09 |
AlphaX2 | I'm some kind of blind | 21:09 |
AlphaX2 | ^^ | 21:09 |
Yaniel | mkpath does not say 'file' anywhere | 21:09 |
Yaniel | and I think it is relative to whatever directory the QDir is in | 21:09 |
AlphaX2 | Sorry thats right | 21:10 |
AlphaX2 | :( | 21:10 |
Yaniel | so you can omit the ~/ at the beginning | 21:10 |
AlphaX2 | just QDir() | 21:10 |
AlphaX2 | ?! | 21:10 |
Yaniel | I mean from the mkpath | 21:10 |
Yaniel | read the docs ^^ | 21:10 |
AlphaX2 | ah okay | 21:11 |
AlphaX2 | yes I know from the docs that QDir wants some path | 21:11 |
AlphaX2 | :) | 21:11 |
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AlphaX2 | Thank you | 21:11 |
AlphaX2 | very very much | 21:11 |
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Yaniel | you might also want to take a look at http://doc-snapshot.qt-project.org/qdoc/topics-data-storage.html | 21:13 |
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AlphaX2 | ottulo: I think learncpp.com is a very good starting point for c++ | 21:24 |
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ottulo | thanks, I'll take a look | 21:35 |
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nodevel | hi! after today's SDK announcement, one thing isn't clear to me... for example, if i want to release my app, do i need to first obtain a domain (i.e. nodevel.org), in order to name my app accordingly? | 22:45 |
nodevel | say org.nodevel.myapp | 22:46 |
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AlphaX2 | I really guess not, it's just like the situation with your own imports - it's just a clean way to name applications with out any conflicts, even if two or more applications have the same name, the "url" is providing a clear difference. :) | 22:58 |
AlphaX2 | but as far as I understand, not just the folder, also the executable itself have to be named like that | 23:00 |
AlphaX2 | this makes killing an application via xterm a bit harder :) | 23:01 |
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nodevel | yep, it won't be nice :) i always hated this naming scheme on webOS | 23:03 |
Yaniel | pgrep | 23:04 |
nodevel | Yaniel: ah, nice. after so many years on Linux, one can still learn something new :) | 23:06 |
Yaniel | ^^ | 23:07 |
AlphaX2 | Can someone explain, where this naming comes from? I mean it's used in some projects, I know it also from dbus? What is it about? | 23:07 |
Yaniel | java packages are also named like that | 23:08 |
Yaniel | it is a hierarchical naming scheme so it should make it easier to sort stuff by developer etc I guess | 23:09 |
nodevel | i thought it was some kind of a naming standard, but couldn't find any documentation. for example whether to use 'com' or 'org'... | 23:11 |
nodevel | webOS had it even more complicated: domain.vendor.type.appname | 23:11 |
Yaniel | if you have an organisation then use their tld | 23:11 |
Yaniel | if not, well I'd use whatever tld it would have | 23:12 |
Yaniel | for example for myself I think I'd use net.yaniel.blah | 23:12 |
Yaniel | not that it matters much | 23:12 |
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aard_ | AlphaX2: we needed a naming scheme which avoids collisions of 42 developers want to publish a fart app. this notation is quite commen, so people are used to it, and definitely easier than adding something like random hashes or other bits to the app name | 23:13 |
Yaniel | but there is only one right name for a fart app even with that naming scheme! | 23:14 |
Yaniel | fart.fart.fart | 23:14 |
AlphaX2 | aard_ I just guessed that it is something like that, but my question was more the one of a historian - what are the origin? When was it "invented" :) | 23:15 |
nodevel | Yaniel: :) i wouldn't wonder if there was this tld already (with all the .search, .web, etc. crazinness) | 23:16 |
AlphaX2 | I don't like all these new top level domain endings... :-/ | 23:17 |
aard_ | AlphaX2: the all-knowing all-seeing trash heap has hints http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_domain_name_notation | 23:17 |
AlphaX2 | Cool thanks, I was looking around via Google, but found nothing. :) | 23:19 |
Yaniel | nodevel: apparently there isn't | 23:19 |
Yaniel | which is kind of strange since the IANA list has stuff like .plumbing and .singles :D | 23:20 |
AlphaX2 | LOL | 23:20 |
nodevel | :) | 23:20 |
Yaniel | http://www.iana.org/domains/root/db hilarious stuff | 23:21 |
nodevel | aard: thx, i do understand the logic behind it, it just feels weird on an .rpm based distro | 23:21 |
aard_ | nodevel: the problem is that with store we're leaving classic distro territorry | 23:22 |
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Yaniel | aard_: hmm? | 23:25 |
Morpog_Mobile | Well, it's an unlike store. | 23:27 |
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Yaniel | unlike a store? | 23:27 |
aard_ | Yaniel: in a classic distribution only selected software goes in, software mostly has unique names, you don't get that much duplication, and you have a team picking what goes in | 23:28 |
aard_ | nothing like that with a store | 23:28 |
Yaniel | ah | 23:28 |
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nodevel | it will be a dilemma whether to act accordingly to the naming convention when uploading to openrepos.net | 23:35 |
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