Wednesday, 2014-02-12

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Abby27 I give you some pictures. I hope you like!
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Armadillois there another way to contact community members than posting an email address to the publicity?08:07
Stskeepselaborate more on what you're trying to do, ooi?08:07
AcceI think he means something like private messages in tjc?08:09
AcceArmadillo: you could always query them here08:09
Acceon IRC08:09
Armadillosomeone's asking to help with translations for my app and to coordinate that it would be great to have a possibility to send a small instruction manual to the user08:09
Armadillosure, but he's not here :)08:09
Accehmm, for that I suggest setting up a web page or something08:09
Accewith your contact info08:10
Stskeepsinstruct to go to
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ArmadilloI know IRC and you also know IRC, but there are many users who don't and also many who don't want to know in future and I want to find a general way to contact all of them08:11
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Armadillothe best way would be I think, but I couldn' find a way to send a user a PM there08:12
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Armadillomaybe I'll set up a webirc short link or something like that08:13
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Armadillothanks for the input :)08:15
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Nicd-so, what are the best practices on storing user credentials in my app? is there any API on Jolla for this?08:34
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sejowhere can I find the full specs of the theme?09:12
sejoto know what icons there are, what Theme.fontSizeExtraLarge defines etc?09:12
tbrwhich theme and for what?09:13
sejoQML with the Sailfish sdk09:13
Accedoesn't give exact values though09:13
sejoyeah that's why I ask09:14
sejoit doesn't have a list of all the icons neither09:14
Accethere is no document with the exact sizes, you'll have to dig em' up from /usr/share09:15
Acce/usr/share/ has subfolder theme or similar, which has the icons in some subfolder09:15
sejook thanks09:15
Accethe exact sizes for the theme stuff can probably be queried with gconf09:16
Accelike the ambience colours09:16
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lainwir3dIs there a standard way of displaying "notifitications" ?09:58
lainwir3dlike the "Charging" popup when plugging a charger09:58
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smndtrllainwir3d: you could use libnotify10:00
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lainwir3dsmndtrl: doesn't seems to be present on my jolla in /usr/lib/libnotify :-/10:07
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smndtrlargh, wrong channel sorry :/10:08
smndtrltoo much developer related channels for different systems10:09
lainwir3dhaha :D10:10
lainwir3dno problem10:10
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Accelainwir3d: you could try to see the qml of some stock applications from jolla, they might have a hint10:15
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lainwir3dAcce: I will do that, thanks :-)10:18
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suylainwir3d: I think there is a d-bus interface. I haven't tried, though.10:48
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jabbounethi all10:52
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Tomek__Hello, where should my app store temporary files?11:31
zuttosailfish is quite plain linux isnt it?11:31
Tomek__Alright, so all Apps share /tmp?11:31
AcceTomek__: just use the QStandardpaths11:32
zuttoi dont have jolla, nor have seen the distro itself, but thats how it works on linux/unix11:32
Acceand store your temp files in .local/share/yourappname/whatever11:32
Tomek__Thanks for the hint ... I will do so11:32
zuttoAcce: is that such good idea for temp files?11:32
zuttowell, long as you have working grabage collection it should be fine11:33
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zuttootherwise, /tmp/ should be the preferred place11:33
Accewhy not? they're app specific anyways.11:33
Acceand you'll probably overwrite the tmp files11:33
zuttothat shouldnt really happen11:34
zuttowould be bit silly to generate random name that already exists..11:34
Acceit depends on how temporary they are11:34
zuttothat is true11:34
zuttoif they are something like web page caches, cookies, things like that, local share is good11:35
Tomek__I will experiment with both options. At least the doc of QTemporaryFile says that it will be cleaned up for me11:35
AcceTomek__: since it's qt, it's probably a solution approved by Jolla (if you need to put the app in the store)11:35
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Tomek__Yes, I am planing to upload the app to jolla habour at some point. Lets see where QTemporaryFile will generate the file on jolla device.11:39
suyTomek__: the point is that should not care about where.11:39
zuttoapparently it should make them to /tmp/ if you dont override some environment variables11:40
suyWhich is the nice thing about it. If in the future jolla adds tweaks to applications to provide some features, it will work nicely because the classes respect the environment variables.11:42
Tomek__makes sense. Actually, QStandardpaths has all I need. Thanks again guys11:45
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lainwir3dAcce: hey, are you using my RPNCalc ? I saw a comment with your nickname. I'm not really a math guy, so if you have some ideas on what constants would be useful, I'd gladly hear you... I mostly use basic math stuff so I don't need them.14:23
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blubdibubEven though you didn't mean me, I'm still gonna answer ;) I ain't using your RPNCalc app. Mainly because my Jolla is still on its way.... So I don't know if some of these constants are already there. For me the following constants seem pretty usefull. So I would be happy to have the following constants available: pi, speed of light c, magnetic constant, electric constant, elementary charge, boltzman constant.14:38
blubdibubyou can find them here:
lainwir3dblubdibub: nice, thank you. I'll add them, I have plenty of space left on the keyboard.14:44
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lainwir3donly pi is there at the moment, can't really do worse than that.14:44
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blubdibublainwir3d: thanks ;) I will try your app as soon as I get my Jolla.  I've never tried a RPN calculator but it seems pretty interesting14:48
matokingIf I were to call Python 3 scripts using QProcess instead of PyOtherSide, would that be considered ok?14:48
lainwir3dblubdibub: it's quite nice, once you've passed the few days of adjustement ;-) I can't use a normal calculator anymore without cursing.14:50
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blubdibublainwir3d: that sounds nice. To bad I have to use a "normal" one in college. So i hope I don't dislike them totally14:54
EztranContinually having to use a standard calculator meant I never really managed to get used to RPN, personally.14:57
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lainwir3dis it normal my harbour dashboard downloads / likes number isn't up to date with the phone store numbers ?15:11
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lainwir3dThe dashboard still says I have 0 downloads15:11
Armadillothe dashboard doesn't work at the moment15:12
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lainwir3doh ok !15:15
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SvioxIs it possible to push a page to QML page stack with C++ with some clean way?17:15
SvioxFor example, does the PageStack have an object name that could be used to fetch it and then just call it's function with QMetaObject::invokeMethod?17:18
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lainwir3d_blubdibub: you still here ?17:28
lainwir3d_How should I differenciate euler's constant with the elementary charge ? Both seems to have the same symbol 'e'....17:28
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blubdibublainwir3d: yepp, still there. I will think of something....17:31
lainwir3d_some people say to use 'q'17:32
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blubdibubq for the elemtary charge seems reasonable.17:34
lainwir3d_I'll use that for the moment then.17:34
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SvioxI'm still trying to open page from C++ via direct call, but this is what I get: [W] QMetaObject::invokeMethod:1457 - QMetaObject::invokeMethod: No such method PageStack_QMLTYPE_0_QML_10::push(QVariant) - any ideas?17:36
SvioxI manually set ObjectName for the PageStack to get a handle to it, which seems to work up until calling the method.17:38
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fengshaunare there any plans to port sailfish os to galaxy nexus?17:40
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blubdibublainwir3d_: an ISO compliant solution would be a normale e for Eulers constant and cursive e for the elementary charge. Even though this is the "official" way of distinguish these two, I would still go with q for the elementary charge. Thus I won't become confusing.17:42
blubdibub*it won't become confusing17:42
lainwir3d_I'll leave it with q17:43
lainwir3d_and maybe add a manual later17:43
lainwir3d_explaining the constant symbols meaning17:43
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blubdibubthis is a great idea. But I think the people who want to use these constants knows the meanings of each letter. So no hurry with that ;)17:46
lainwir3d_ok ;)17:46
blubdibubbtw. if you plan to release your app in multiple language I could help with a german translation.... Just ask, if your interested17:47
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lainwir3d_Why not, once I'm done with all the features I want :-)17:48
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coderusfengshaun: there are no plans for porting sailfish to any other phones17:52
coderusit should be done by community17:52
coderusnot jolla company17:52
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Stskeepscoderus: why, out of curiousity?17:53
blubdibublainwir3d_: On my together profile (same nickname) you'll find a link to website with an email adress. Just in case I'm not in IRC when you'r done ;)17:53
lainwir3d_ok :)17:53
lainwir3d_I'm done with your constants17:54
lainwir3d_might add a few more17:54
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blubdibubnice, thanks!17:54
SvioxI managed to overcome my issue quite cleanly by adding my own function called by C++ that calls pageStack.push(), but now I get "[D] doPush:131 - Warning: cannot push while transition is in progress". Is there a way I can notified when transition is completed?17:57
matoking@Sviox pagestack.busy?18:00
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SvioxI'll try that, thanks18:00
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matokingOh, you can use PageStackAction.Immediate to immediately push a page into the stack18:00
matokingThat skips the transition animation though18:00
SvioxCan that be used when accepting a dialog somehow?18:01
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matokingThere doesn't seem to be an option for that :/18:04
SvioxOh wait, there seems to be an "acceptDestination" property for dialogs. That might come handy. However, in my case, I would first need to unzip and parse something to get the result (i.e. show error / the page I want to show next)18:04
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Svioxmatoking: is it possible to create inline waited for the busy attribute?18:17
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RobertMeSviox: I'm having the same problem with dialogs and animation still running18:17
Svioxnice to know I'm not alone :)18:18
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RobertMewaiting for busy doesn't seem to work, probably due to the animation and the "wait for not busy" running in the same (javascript) thread18:18
SvioxHow are you trying to wait for it?18:18
SvioxI was thinking on creating some sort of onBusy handler18:18
SvioxonBusyChanged or similar..18:19
RobertMeI haven't solved the problem either18:19
matokingDo you need to catch it when the dialog is closed?18:19
Svioxyes, the very moment when I can push another page to the pageStack18:20
RobertMea solution could be to use some Timer-s in between so you do the push after the animation is finshed using the timer18:20
matokingAFAIK, Dialog has onDone signal that is called before pageStack pops it off18:20
SvioxIs it possible to dynamically create a sort of 'inline' connection with QML?18:21
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RobertMeI have two cases for this problem, the first is that I may need to show a dialog when the users starts the app for the first time, to enter some (network) connection settings, and when the user accepts the dailog the connecting is started, but authentication may be required in which case I need to show another dialog18:21
SvioxCannot assign to non-existent property "onDone"18:22
RobertMeSviox: you can connect signals from within the script, but I don't think it's possible for the busy property18:22
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SvioxHmmm, maybe I'll do a dirty trick and create a timer with 10ms interval that checks the busy attribute of pageStack...18:30
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RobertMeSviox: that does the trick for me, but it's a bit annoying as during the pop animation you could already see that you'd need to authenticate, and only after the animation is finished the authenticate dialog will be shown18:40
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SvioxRobertMe: got it working this way too. Doesn't look too elegant but does it's work in my case (since the second page is not always shown and in fact often takes some time to show due to disk operations)18:58
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SvioxAlso, looks a small bit better when I wrapped it into common purpose 'use this to open any view' function on C++ side.18:59
RobertMesame for me, the popup probably doesn't get shown for 99% of the users, and it's dependent on a network operation which will also take some time, so it wouldn't be too noticable luckaly18:59
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reviewjollaI wonder what's behinds this windows phones going to run Android apps20:22
Stskeepsembrace, extend and extinguish ?20:23
reviewjollaGoogle's tactical move?20:23
satmdI'd thin the other way around20:24
satmdnobody loves windows, it just got to expand, embrace and try to extinguish competition20:24
satmdbut it also tells how much windows sucks that it can't stand alone20:24
slatelike jolla running android-apps?20:25
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reviewjollaThese issues mixes up odd20:26
reviewjollaI smell something fishy...20:27
satmdslate: I can't deny that'd fit my pattern20:28
slateHave to say, that I would not use Sailfish without android-suppport.20:29
slateBut again, I see no harm for the business it running them.20:29
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satmdthat expresses how I feel about that20:30
john24Hey guys, Does anyone know how to show an image from a webspage? that needs authentication?20:30
satmdbut be aware that that will transmit authentication plaintext20:31
satmdyou can adapt this scheme for about any protocol20:31
Yanieland copypasting that url somewhere... well20:31
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Armadillogood evening20:32
john24Thanks guys I shall try now20:32
reviewjollaslate: satmd: I see it this way: Google gets users dependent on their apps on other plarforms, later they can end the support and get these users ti change to native Android phones. Bye bye windows & forked androids.20:33
YanielI don't really use android support on my jolla20:34
YanielI see how it is a great thing to have at launch20:35
Yanielbut they must not become too dependent on it20:35
Yanielactually not dependent at all20:35
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john24art.source = "http://" + Qt.btoa(username + ":" + password) + "@" + ip + ":8080/art"20:36
john24gives me: QML Image: Host requires authentication20:36
reviewjollaYaniel: dependence ends fast after some great Sailfish apps, like Tweetian, IRC20:36
Yanielthat's what I hope20:36
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Yanieljohn24: you sure you shouldn't use two Qt.btoa calls?20:39
Yanielie. verify the resulting url20:40
Yanieltry if it works with a web browser20:40
john24if I don't use it works fine20:40
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john24but I would prefer not passing plain text20:40
john24I sent all my controls commands Qt.btoa20:40
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Yanielurls can only have plaiintext credentials afaik20:42
john24httpReq.setRequestHeader("Authorization", "Basic " + Qt.btoa(username + ":" + password));20:42
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john24that's what I use to send the commands20:42
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john24But I want to lookup album art and display it20:42
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john24it seems odd that the only way to using plain text20:43
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Yanielhmm I'd assume there is some way to tweak how it requests the data20:43
Yanielwhere you could drop in your credentials20:44
john24I am looking for it :)20:44
john24thanks for the help at least it shows now20:45
john24shame is not secure20:45
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john24is it possible to have an image behind text and elements, well as a background on one side?21:04
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artemmaInstallation on emulator: Fatal error: nothing provides needed by harbour-flashlight-2.3-24.i58622:55
artemmaHow come emulator doesn't find stdc++?22:55
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Turskiartemma: it's linked to arm libstdc++?23:06
ln-sounds a bit odd but that's how i would understand the error too.23:06
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satmdme too23:07
ln-despite the i586 in the name, is the package actually compiled for arm?23:07
satmdif this isn't anything obvious, then it is a misconfiguration of the build tool chain23:07
artemmaTurski: indeed.. strange..23:08
satmdheh... ln-23:08
satmdyou might be pointing at the right spot23:08
satmdcbuild, ctarget, chost23:08
satmdsomething seems to be inconsistent23:08
artemmawell, I supply some arm libraries together with my app, I guess I am including them for i486 as well (they are not actually used there, just included)23:08
satmdit shouldn't be i58623:08
satmds ctarget23:08
artemmamaybe clever RPM installer notices that some of these libs have dependencies23:09
artemmathough.. binary shouldn't be linked to them in i486.. or maybe it is23:09
artemmaactually linkage doesn't matter, it's dynamic anyway23:09
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artemmaindeed, that was about incorrect files included23:19
artemmathanks, guys!23:19
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coderusStskeeps: who want to buy Jolla phones if it will be officially ported to other devices? :)23:29
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