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| Abby27 | I give you some pictures. I hope you like! http://bit.do/my_videos69 | 00:08 |
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| Armadillo | is there another way to contact community members than posting an email address to the publicity? | 08:07 |
| Stskeeps | elaborate more on what you're trying to do, ooi? | 08:07 |
| Acce | I think he means something like private messages in tjc? | 08:09 |
| Acce | Armadillo: you could always query them here | 08:09 |
| Acce | on IRC | 08:09 |
| Armadillo | someone's asking to help with translations for my app and to coordinate that it would be great to have a possibility to send a small instruction manual to the user | 08:09 |
| Armadillo | sure, but he's not here :) | 08:09 |
| Acce | hmm, for that I suggest setting up a web page or something | 08:09 |
| Acce | with your contact info | 08:10 |
| Stskeeps | instruct to go to webchat.freenode.net? | 08:10 |
| Armadillo | well | 08:10 |
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| Armadillo | I know IRC and you also know IRC, but there are many users who don't and also many who don't want to know in future and I want to find a general way to contact all of them | 08:11 |
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| Armadillo | the best way would be together.jolla.com I think, but I couldn' find a way to send a user a PM there | 08:12 |
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| Armadillo | maybe I'll set up a webirc short link or something like that | 08:13 |
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| Armadillo | thanks for the input :) | 08:15 |
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| Nicd- | so, what are the best practices on storing user credentials in my app? is there any API on Jolla for this? | 08:34 |
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| sejo | where can I find the full specs of the theme? | 09:12 |
| sejo | to know what icons there are, what Theme.fontSizeExtraLarge defines etc? | 09:12 |
| tbr | which theme and for what? | 09:13 |
| sejo | QML with the Sailfish sdk | 09:13 |
| Acce | sejo: https://sailfishos.org/sailfish-silica/qml-sailfishsilica-theme.html | 09:13 |
| Acce | doesn't give exact values though | 09:13 |
| sejo | yeah that's why I ask | 09:14 |
| sejo | it doesn't have a list of all the icons neither | 09:14 |
| Acce | there is no document with the exact sizes, you'll have to dig em' up from /usr/share | 09:15 |
| Acce | /usr/share/ has subfolder theme or similar, which has the icons in some subfolder | 09:15 |
| sejo | ok thanks | 09:15 |
| Acce | the exact sizes for the theme stuff can probably be queried with gconf | 09:16 |
| Acce | like the ambience colours | 09:16 |
| Acce | https://together.jolla.com/question/11949/black-and-white-ambiences/#post-id-12163 | 09:16 |
| sejo | thanks! | 09:18 |
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| lainwir3d | hi | 09:57 |
| lainwir3d | Is there a standard way of displaying "notifitications" ? | 09:58 |
| lainwir3d | like the "Charging" popup when plugging a charger | 09:58 |
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| smndtrl | lainwir3d: you could use libnotify | 10:00 |
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| lainwir3d | smndtrl: doesn't seems to be present on my jolla in /usr/lib/libnotify :-/ | 10:07 |
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| smndtrl | argh, wrong channel sorry :/ | 10:08 |
| smndtrl | too much developer related channels for different systems | 10:09 |
| lainwir3d | haha :D | 10:10 |
| lainwir3d | no problem | 10:10 |
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| Acce | lainwir3d: you could try to see the qml of some stock applications from jolla, they might have a hint | 10:15 |
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| lainwir3d | Acce: I will do that, thanks :-) | 10:18 |
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| suy | lainwir3d: I think there is a d-bus interface. I haven't tried, though. | 10:48 |
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| jabbounet | hi all | 10:52 |
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| Tomek__ | Hello, where should my app store temporary files? | 11:31 |
| zutto | /tmp/? | 11:31 |
| zutto | sailfish is quite plain linux isnt it? | 11:31 |
| Tomek__ | Alright, so all Apps share /tmp? | 11:31 |
| Acce | Tomek__: just use the QStandardpaths | 11:32 |
| zutto | i dont have jolla, nor have seen the distro itself, but thats how it works on linux/unix | 11:32 |
| Acce | and store your temp files in .local/share/yourappname/whatever | 11:32 |
| Tomek__ | Thanks for the hint ... I will do so | 11:32 |
| zutto | Acce: is that such good idea for temp files? | 11:32 |
| Acce | zutto: | 11:32 |
| Acce | yes | 11:32 |
| zutto | well, long as you have working grabage collection it should be fine | 11:33 |
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| zutto | otherwise, /tmp/ should be the preferred place | 11:33 |
| Acce | why not? they're app specific anyways. | 11:33 |
| zutto | sure | 11:33 |
| Acce | and you'll probably overwrite the tmp files | 11:33 |
| zutto | that shouldnt really happen | 11:34 |
| zutto | would be bit silly to generate random name that already exists.. | 11:34 |
| Acce | it depends on how temporary they are | 11:34 |
| zutto | that is true | 11:34 |
| zutto | if they are something like web page caches, cookies, things like that, local share is good | 11:35 |
| Tomek__ | I will experiment with both options. At least the doc of QTemporaryFile says that it will be cleaned up for me | 11:35 |
| Acce | Tomek__: since it's qt, it's probably a solution approved by Jolla (if you need to put the app in the store) | 11:35 |
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| Tomek__ | Yes, I am planing to upload the app to jolla habour at some point. Lets see where QTemporaryFile will generate the file on jolla device. | 11:39 |
| suy | Tomek__: the point is that should not care about where. | 11:39 |
| zutto | apparently it should make them to /tmp/ if you dont override some environment variables | 11:40 |
| suy | Which is the nice thing about it. If in the future jolla adds tweaks to applications to provide some features, it will work nicely because the classes respect the environment variables. | 11:42 |
| zutto | yep | 11:42 |
| Tomek__ | makes sense. Actually, QStandardpaths has all I need. Thanks again guys | 11:45 |
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| lainwir3d | Acce: hey, are you using my RPNCalc ? I saw a comment with your nickname. I'm not really a math guy, so if you have some ideas on what constants would be useful, I'd gladly hear you... I mostly use basic math stuff so I don't need them. | 14:23 |
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| blubdibub | Even though you didn't mean me, I'm still gonna answer ;) I ain't using your RPNCalc app. Mainly because my Jolla is still on its way.... So I don't know if some of these constants are already there. For me the following constants seem pretty usefull. So I would be happy to have the following constants available: pi, speed of light c, magnetic constant, electric constant, elementary charge, boltzman constant. | 14:38 |
| blubdibub | you can find them here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_constant | 14:38 |
| lainwir3d | blubdibub: nice, thank you. I'll add them, I have plenty of space left on the keyboard. | 14:44 |
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| lainwir3d | only pi is there at the moment, can't really do worse than that. | 14:44 |
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| matoking | Hey | 14:47 |
| blubdibub | lainwir3d: thanks ;) I will try your app as soon as I get my Jolla. I've never tried a RPN calculator but it seems pretty interesting | 14:48 |
| matoking | If I were to call Python 3 scripts using QProcess instead of PyOtherSide, would that be considered ok? | 14:48 |
| lainwir3d | blubdibub: it's quite nice, once you've passed the few days of adjustement ;-) I can't use a normal calculator anymore without cursing. | 14:50 |
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| blubdibub | lainwir3d: that sounds nice. To bad I have to use a "normal" one in college. So i hope I don't dislike them totally | 14:54 |
| lainwir3d | hehe | 14:54 |
| Eztran | Continually having to use a standard calculator meant I never really managed to get used to RPN, personally. | 14:57 |
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| lainwir3d | is it normal my harbour dashboard downloads / likes number isn't up to date with the phone store numbers ? | 15:11 |
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| lainwir3d | oh ok ! | 15:15 |
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| Sviox | Is it possible to push a page to QML page stack with C++ with some clean way? | 17:15 |
| Sviox | For example, does the PageStack have an object name that could be used to fetch it and then just call it's function with QMetaObject::invokeMethod? | 17:18 |
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| lainwir3d_ | blubdibub: you still here ? | 17:28 |
| lainwir3d_ | How should I differenciate euler's constant with the elementary charge ? Both seems to have the same symbol 'e'.... | 17:28 |
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| blubdibub | lainwir3d: yepp, still there. I will think of something.... | 17:31 |
| lainwir3d_ | some people say to use 'q' | 17:32 |
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| blubdibub | q for the elemtary charge seems reasonable. | 17:34 |
| lainwir3d_ | I'll use that for the moment then. | 17:34 |
| lainwir3d_ | thanks | 17:34 |
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| Sviox | I'm still trying to open page from C++ via direct call, but this is what I get: [W] QMetaObject::invokeMethod:1457 - QMetaObject::invokeMethod: No such method PageStack_QMLTYPE_0_QML_10::push(QVariant) - any ideas? | 17:36 |
| Sviox | I manually set ObjectName for the PageStack to get a handle to it, which seems to work up until calling the method. | 17:38 |
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| fengshaun | are there any plans to port sailfish os to galaxy nexus? | 17:40 |
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| blubdibub | lainwir3d_: an ISO compliant solution would be a normale e for Eulers constant and cursive e for the elementary charge. Even though this is the "official" way of distinguish these two, I would still go with q for the elementary charge. Thus I won't become confusing. | 17:42 |
| blubdibub | *it won't become confusing | 17:42 |
| lainwir3d_ | hmmm.... | 17:43 |
| lainwir3d_ | I'll leave it with q | 17:43 |
| lainwir3d_ | and maybe add a manual later | 17:43 |
| lainwir3d_ | explaining the constant symbols meaning | 17:43 |
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| blubdibub | this is a great idea. But I think the people who want to use these constants knows the meanings of each letter. So no hurry with that ;) | 17:46 |
| lainwir3d_ | ok ;) | 17:46 |
| blubdibub | btw. if you plan to release your app in multiple language I could help with a german translation.... Just ask, if your interested | 17:47 |
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| lainwir3d_ | Why not, once I'm done with all the features I want :-) | 17:48 |
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| coderus | fengshaun: there are no plans for porting sailfish to any other phones | 17:52 |
| coderus | it should be done by community | 17:52 |
| coderus | not jolla company | 17:52 |
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| Stskeeps | coderus: why, out of curiousity? | 17:53 |
| blubdibub | lainwir3d_: On my together profile (same nickname) you'll find a link to website with an email adress. Just in case I'm not in IRC when you'r done ;) | 17:53 |
| lainwir3d_ | ok :) | 17:53 |
| lainwir3d_ | I'm done with your constants | 17:54 |
| lainwir3d_ | might add a few more | 17:54 |
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| blubdibub | nice, thanks! | 17:54 |
| Sviox | I managed to overcome my issue quite cleanly by adding my own function called by C++ that calls pageStack.push(), but now I get "[D] doPush:131 - Warning: cannot push while transition is in progress". Is there a way I can notified when transition is completed? | 17:57 |
| matoking | @Sviox pagestack.busy? | 18:00 |
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| Sviox | I'll try that, thanks | 18:00 |
| matoking | *pageStack.busy | 18:00 |
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| matoking | Oh, you can use PageStackAction.Immediate to immediately push a page into the stack | 18:00 |
| matoking | That skips the transition animation though | 18:00 |
| Sviox | Can that be used when accepting a dialog somehow? | 18:01 |
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| matoking | Hmm | 18:03 |
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| matoking | There doesn't seem to be an option for that :/ | 18:04 |
| Sviox | Oh wait, there seems to be an "acceptDestination" property for dialogs. That might come handy. However, in my case, I would first need to unzip and parse something to get the result (i.e. show error / the page I want to show next) | 18:04 |
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| Sviox | matoking: is it possible to create inline waited for the busy attribute? | 18:17 |
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| RobertMe | Sviox: I'm having the same problem with dialogs and animation still running | 18:17 |
| Sviox | nice to know I'm not alone :) | 18:18 |
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| RobertMe | waiting for busy doesn't seem to work, probably due to the animation and the "wait for not busy" running in the same (javascript) thread | 18:18 |
| Sviox | How are you trying to wait for it? | 18:18 |
| Sviox | I was thinking on creating some sort of onBusy handler | 18:18 |
| Sviox | onBusyChanged or similar.. | 18:19 |
| RobertMe | I haven't solved the problem either | 18:19 |
| matoking | Do you need to catch it when the dialog is closed? | 18:19 |
| Sviox | yes, the very moment when I can push another page to the pageStack | 18:20 |
| RobertMe | a solution could be to use some Timer-s in between so you do the push after the animation is finshed using the timer | 18:20 |
| matoking | AFAIK, Dialog has onDone signal that is called before pageStack pops it off | 18:20 |
| Sviox | Is it possible to dynamically create a sort of 'inline' connection with QML? | 18:21 |
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| RobertMe | I have two cases for this problem, the first is that I may need to show a dialog when the users starts the app for the first time, to enter some (network) connection settings, and when the user accepts the dailog the connecting is started, but authentication may be required in which case I need to show another dialog | 18:21 |
| Sviox | Cannot assign to non-existent property "onDone" | 18:22 |
| RobertMe | Sviox: you can connect signals from within the script, but I don't think it's possible for the busy property | 18:22 |
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| Sviox | Hmmm, maybe I'll do a dirty trick and create a timer with 10ms interval that checks the busy attribute of pageStack... | 18:30 |
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| RobertMe | Sviox: that does the trick for me, but it's a bit annoying as during the pop animation you could already see that you'd need to authenticate, and only after the animation is finished the authenticate dialog will be shown | 18:40 |
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| Sviox | RobertMe: got it working this way too. Doesn't look too elegant but does it's work in my case (since the second page is not always shown and in fact often takes some time to show due to disk operations) | 18:58 |
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| Sviox | Also, looks a small bit better when I wrapped it into common purpose 'use this to open any view' function on C++ side. | 18:59 |
| RobertMe | same for me, the popup probably doesn't get shown for 99% of the users, and it's dependent on a network operation which will also take some time, so it wouldn't be too noticable luckaly | 18:59 |
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| satmd | ß0/73 | 19:15 |
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| reviewjolla | I wonder what's behinds this windows phones going to run Android apps | 20:22 |
| Stskeeps | embrace, extend and extinguish ? | 20:23 |
| reviewjolla | Google's tactical move? | 20:23 |
| satmd | I'd thin the other way around | 20:24 |
| satmd | nobody loves windows, it just got to expand, embrace and try to extinguish competition | 20:24 |
| satmd | but it also tells how much windows sucks that it can't stand alone | 20:24 |
| slate | like jolla running android-apps? | 20:25 |
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| reviewjolla | These issues mixes up odd | 20:26 |
| reviewjolla | I smell something fishy... | 20:27 |
| satmd | slate: I can't deny that'd fit my pattern | 20:28 |
| slate | Have to say, that I would not use Sailfish without android-suppport. | 20:29 |
| slate | But again, I see no harm for the business it running them. | 20:29 |
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| satmd | that expresses how I feel about that | 20:30 |
| john24 | Hey guys, Does anyone know how to show an image from a webspage? that needs authentication? | 20:30 |
| satmd | http://user:password@url | 20:31 |
| satmd | but be aware that that will transmit authentication plaintext | 20:31 |
| satmd | you can adapt this scheme for about any protocol | 20:31 |
| Yaniel | and copypasting that url somewhere... well | 20:31 |
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| Armadillo | good evening | 20:32 |
| Yaniel | evening | 20:32 |
| john24 | Thanks guys I shall try now | 20:32 |
| reviewjolla | slate: satmd: I see it this way: Google gets users dependent on their apps on other plarforms, later they can end the support and get these users ti change to native Android phones. Bye bye windows & forked androids. | 20:33 |
| Yaniel | I don't really use android support on my jolla | 20:34 |
| Yaniel | I see how it is a great thing to have at launch | 20:35 |
| Yaniel | but they must not become too dependent on it | 20:35 |
| Yaniel | actually not dependent at all | 20:35 |
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| john24 | art.source = "http://" + Qt.btoa(username + ":" + password) + "@" + ip + ":8080/art" | 20:36 |
| john24 | gives me: QML Image: Host requires authentication | 20:36 |
| reviewjolla | Yaniel: dependence ends fast after some great Sailfish apps, like Tweetian, IRC | 20:36 |
| Yaniel | that's what I hope | 20:36 |
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| Yaniel | john24: you sure you shouldn't use two Qt.btoa calls? | 20:39 |
| Yaniel | ie. verify the resulting url | 20:40 |
| Yaniel | try if it works with a web browser | 20:40 |
| john24 | if I don't use it works fine | 20:40 |
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| john24 | but I would prefer not passing plain text | 20:40 |
| john24 | I sent all my controls commands Qt.btoa | 20:40 |
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| Yaniel | urls can only have plaiintext credentials afaik | 20:42 |
| john24 | httpReq.setRequestHeader("Authorization", "Basic " + Qt.btoa(username + ":" + password)); | 20:42 |
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| john24 | that's what I use to send the commands | 20:42 |
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| john24 | But I want to lookup album art and display it | 20:42 |
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| john24 | it seems odd that the only way to using plain text | 20:43 |
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| Yaniel | hmm I'd assume there is some way to tweak how it requests the data | 20:43 |
| Yaniel | where you could drop in your credentials | 20:44 |
| john24 | I am looking for it :) | 20:44 |
| john24 | thanks for the help at least it shows now | 20:45 |
| john24 | shame is not secure | 20:45 |
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| john24 | is it possible to have an image behind text and elements, well as a background on one side? | 21:04 |
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| artemma | Installation on emulator: Fatal error: nothing provides libstdc++.so.6(CXXABI_ARM_1.3.3) needed by harbour-flashlight-2.3-24.i586 | 22:55 |
| artemma | How come emulator doesn't find stdc++? | 22:55 |
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| Turski | artemma: it's linked to arm libstdc++? | 23:06 |
| ln- | sounds a bit odd but that's how i would understand the error too. | 23:06 |
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| satmd | me too | 23:07 |
| ln- | despite the i586 in the name, is the package actually compiled for arm? | 23:07 |
| satmd | if this isn't anything obvious, then it is a misconfiguration of the build tool chain | 23:07 |
| artemma | Turski: indeed.. strange.. | 23:08 |
| satmd | heh... ln- | 23:08 |
| satmd | you might be pointing at the right spot | 23:08 |
| satmd | cbuild, ctarget, chost | 23:08 |
| satmd | something seems to be inconsistent | 23:08 |
| artemma | well, I supply some arm libraries together with my app, I guess I am including them for i486 as well (they are not actually used there, just included) | 23:08 |
| satmd | it shouldn't be i586 | 23:08 |
| satmd | s ctarget | 23:08 |
| artemma | maybe clever RPM installer notices that some of these libs have dependencies | 23:09 |
| artemma | though.. binary shouldn't be linked to them in i486.. or maybe it is | 23:09 |
| artemma | actually linkage doesn't matter, it's dynamic anyway | 23:09 |
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| artemma | indeed, that was about incorrect files included | 23:19 |
| artemma | thanks, guys! | 23:19 |
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| coderus | Stskeeps: who want to buy Jolla phones if it will be officially ported to other devices? :) | 23:29 |
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