Wednesday, 2014-02-19

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Isabella18 You can find funny videos here.
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juke_ffs with these spammers00:16
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Sandy25 Hi! I give you some videos. I hope you like!
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Hannah27 You can find funny videos here.
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m4g0gguys, where do you take images for your applications?07:58
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Hannah24 Hi! I give you some videos. I hope you like!
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zuhm4g0g: If you don't like Hannah's videos, you can also find few screenshot applications in the store08:22
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m4g0gzuh: but it doesn't help me with adding icon to my application. This is only one stops adding my app to openrepos08:25
ln-if/when i sign up for Harbour, is the user account what other people will see as the author in the store, or is there another setting for that?08:25
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zuhm4g0g: oh, I thought you meant screenshots. Dunno where people get theirs but I created my own from couple of photos...08:29
m4g0gthere are two most complex things in app development - title for application and icon08:29
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hamlatzisis this a good place to ask about a problem I have using SDL2 on sailfishos?09:01
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hamlatzisI want to port my game that uses SDL2 libraries from other mobile platforms to sailfishos, but I cannot setup the IDE to compile it. It doesn't recognize for instance #include "SDL.h"09:03
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tbrdid you install the SDL packages?09:03
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hamlatzisaren't they already installed? If I ssh into the developer image and call "zypper se sdl" I get information on all SDL2 libraries (SDL2, SDL2_image, SDL2_mixer, SDL2_ttf, etc)09:05
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tbralso -dev?09:07
hamlatzislet me check again and come back to you with this09:08
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hamlatzisfor the libraries SDL2, SDL2_image, SDL2_mixer and SDL2_ttf that I want to use is get that inside the developer image exist: package, srcpackage, debuginfo, debugsource and devel packages09:13
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hamlatzisso I think everything is already installed09:13
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m4g0gwhy do you think that your ide doesn't recognize this include?09:19
m4g0gshow us ur project file, pls.09:19
m4g0ghamlatzis: ^^09:19
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kaltsihamlatzis: the sdl2's are not installed by default09:23
kaltsihamlatzis: you will need to add them to your build target09:23
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kaltsihamlatzis: easy way is to add into your project's yaml or spec file a 'buildrequires' with the sdl2 -devel package (whatever it's proper name is) .. then when you rebuild your software, it will get installed09:24
hamlatzisfirst of all when I hit compile I get an error message SDL.h No such file or directory, that's how I know it doesn't recognise SDL09:25
kaltsiyes that's how I know it's not installed for you09:25
hamlatzisalso I cannot create a cmake project because the QtCreator IDE reports that doesn't know which kits to use09:25
kaltsiwhich host do you have linux/mac/windows?09:26
hamlatzisso I selected to create a non qt application with qmake09:26
kaltsiok that's not sailfish sdk and outside the scope of anything here09:26
m4g0ghamlatzis: try to use #include <SDL/SDL.h>09:26
hamlatzisI've just opened it and I'm not sure if I like what I see because it tries to create a console09:26
hamlatzisTEMPLATE = app09:27
kaltsihamlatzis: if you want to create sailfish apps then you need to create a sailfish project09:27
hamlatzisCONFIG += console09:27
kaltsiyour sdk is not set up correctly at the moment09:27
hamlatzisCONFIG -= app_bundle09:27
hamlatzisCONFIG -= qt09:27
hamlatzisSOURCES += main.cpp09:27
hamlatzisI just want to create a game that runs on sailfishos using SDL and opengle09:27
kaltsihamlatzis: just stop please now and follow instructions if you want to create it for sailfish09:28
kaltsihamlatzis: 1) is your host linux/windows/mac?09:28
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kaltsihamlatzis: ok exit qtcreator now and then go and remove c:/usersd/yourname/appdata/roaming/SailfishAlpha3 directory09:28
kaltsithen restart qtcreator again.. you should see the sailfish project then09:29
kaltsisorry c:/users/yourname..09:29
hamlatzishave kept everything with default values during installation and have added as home folder my workspace c:\SailfishOS-workspace09:29
kaltsihamlatzis: if you don't see the kits then your sdk is not set up correctly09:30
Yanielin cmake?09:30
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kaltsican you find the SailfishAlpha3 directory?09:30
YanielI don't think cmake has ever heard of sailfish09:30
kaltsicmake is fine09:30
Yanielis it?09:30
kaltsifirst we need to fix hamlatzis' environment09:31
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hamlatzisjust a moment I'm searching for the SailfishAlpha3  folder, because under windows xp there is not c:/users/... it has moved somewhere at c:\documents and settings09:32
hamlatzisfound it at C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Application Data\SailfishAlpha309:33
kaltsiok that could be a problem itself.. the current sdk does not work well if there are spaces in the directories09:33
kaltsihamlatzis: let's try anyways.. so have you exited from qtcreator? if so, please remove that SailfishAlpha3 directory and then start Qtcreator again09:33
hamlatzisha ha ha similar problems with BB10 and bada but at least for them the default folders where ok09:34
kaltsithen after you have started it and select a new project, does it offer you a sailfish project?09:34
hamlatzisexited and renamed the folder, now starting the IDE again09:34
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hamlatzisthe option for sailfish application I had it even without deleting the folder, but it adds Qt support09:36
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hamlatzisbut even this way I get no sdl.h or sdl/sdl.h file exist (depending on where I try to find the sdl.h file)09:38
kaltsidid you add the buildrequires to your project?09:38
kaltsiit is not there by default, you must do something to install it09:38
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kaltsiif you create any other kind of a project than sailfish project with the qtcreator project wizard, then you are not using the sailfish environment .. by default it creates a Qt/QML project for you, but you can change anything/everything in the files to suit you09:39
m4g0gwe need instructions about using cmake for sailfish development09:41
kaltsijust use it . if you know how to use it, just use it09:41
kaltsiin your spec file you have the %build part which specifies how to call your project's makefile09:42
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hamlatzisok thank you all I'll start playing around more and If I have more question I'll get back to you09:49
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Sophie19 Here some videos. I hope you like them!
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Yanieljust.. gtfo10:05
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Yanielno tits here please10:05
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coderusmorning tits :D10:30
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leinircoderus: totally! Best kind *nods*
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HartziYaniel: why so conservative?10:43
Yanielleinir: okay that kind I can accept10:43
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Yaniel...even at work10:55
zmokimmoli told me on #jollamobile  you're talking about tits, so here am I :-> </kidding>10:56
jussizmo: yep!10:56
Yanielwell the bird-feeding-season is well underway10:56
zmo(of course he he meant "this", and I was talking about the atmosphere page one swipe away from home screen whereas useful features were 3/4 gestures away)10:56
Yanielwhat is the atmosphere page?10:57
zmojussi - ahah :-)10:57
ln-by atmosphere do you mean ambience?10:57
Yanielyou mean lockscreen?10:57
zmooh sorry10:57
Yanielor ambience quick select10:57
zmohad my jollaphone yesterday, still getting used to the vocabulary ;-)10:57
Yaniel(I tend to forget about that one as I only have one favourited ambience atm)10:57
kimmolizmo: i would like to have moist atmosphere on my jolla10:58
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zmokimmoli - I'd prefer not :-)11:03
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zmokimmoli - don't want to get my jolla rusty11:03
zmoso, before I start complaining about UX/Usability and stuff… (I'm french, it's in my DNA to complain :-p)11:04
zmois there any documentation start point about the CLI tool set I can play with on sailfishos ?11:05
zmoI've seen that mc-tool thing, I guess there is the systemd stuff around11:05
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Yanielyeah the os is systemd-based11:06
Yanieland as for the toolset... prety much all you can get to compile for arm11:06
zmoI mean the sailfish specific stuff11:07
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lbtm4g0g: for cmake you can change your yaml file to have Builder: cmake - but that may not work well with the SDK - try it11:11
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zmohum… how do I enable root shell access on my jolla?11:16
zmonice, thanks11:16
zmowhy not install sudo?11:17
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Stskeepslong story11:18
zmoand is there a packaging system so I can install tools?11:19
zmoI thought there would be zypper like in meego…11:19
fluxbtw, you don't need to sudo for it11:24
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zmois there a place where I can find the dbus APIs for the jolla applications?11:39
coderuswhich one?11:39
zmowell, as many as possible11:39
zmoI want to RTFM :-)11:39
coderusmost of system applications are nemomobile, not jolla itself11:39
coderusyou can easily google it11:39
jukeis there other phones that are sold with sailfishos?11:41
coderusi think some of N9's was sold with SailfishOS :D11:42
Bysmyyrbut not official11:42
coderusof course :)11:42
coderuswhy you thinking company would officially support sailfishos to other phones?11:43
zumbican N9 be reinstalled with sailfishos?11:43
coderusjolla need to sell own phones for profit :)11:43
coderusother companies wont pay to jolla for supporting it phones11:44
coderusand jolla wouldnt support other phones officially "just for fun"11:44
coderusits community activity :)11:44
coderuszumbi: what you mean by "reinstall"?11:45
jussiStskeeps: still no android apps on that sailfish, though, right ?11:53
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Stskeepsjussi: i shall refrain from commenting under threat of walking the plank -- and there's sharks down there!11:54
jussiStskeeps: hehe, I figured something like that would be the answer :D11:54
tbrsharks with lazorz!11:54
jussitbr: even more scary!11:54
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coderusStskeeps: is it official support? means peoples doing this getting profit? :)12:05
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zumbicoderus: replace harmattan with sailfishos12:10
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ArmadilloAcce the combobox issue we discussed yesterday gets even more weird, maybe you remember it13:00
ArmadilloI added a textarea and insert the currentIndex into it before the currentindex change, after the change and for debugging I set currentIndex when click on the textarea itself and also post the currentIndex from the combobox to the textareas text13:01
Armadilloon start currentIndex is 0 as expected, after the automatic change it is 1, but the visual value is the one from index 013:02
Armadillowhen i click on the textarea, which changes the currentIndex to 2, the index changes and the visual value, too13:02
Armadillowhat the hell...13:02
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Armadilloit seems there's a problem with the combobox events I'll do some more testing, maybe I can workaround it if I use another event than onCompleted13:04
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jukewhat happens if app is in Harbour QA and i submit another version?13:58
Armadillothe qa will be overwritten and the waiting time starts from 014:01
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jukequeue would be nicer14:06
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Armadilloyes, but currently there's none14:07
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jukeonly 26 hours left so perhaps i can wait with this14:08
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ArmadilloI think your update won't make it before friday14:21
Armadillofor my updates it never released within 48 hours, always between 65 and 75 hours14:22
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jukelast time it took <30 h14:23
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juke<50 i mean14:24
Armadillothat's fast :)14:24
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jukeperhaps i was lucky14:24
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coderuszumbi: you can do it. but current adaptation for sailfishos isnt complete.17:40
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Mya29 Here some videos. I hope you like them!
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AaltoniJUJames_: broh20:07
JUJames_Aaltoni: hey there :D20:08
AaltoniJUJames_: i got tons of sailfish app ideas but as u know i aint no dev :D20:09
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JUJames_Aaltoni: neither am I but we have saildev and others :D20:11
AaltoniJUJames_: yeah thats true :) and btw i freaking lobe those livecovers ;)20:11
JUJames_hell yea ;)20:12
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Morpog_PCThen you may like a sneak peak on tweetian cover in next update :)
VenemoMorpog_PC: please add some sensible margins to the content, it looks quite... unsetting20:17
Morpog_PCvenemo, it has padding small20:18
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VenemoMorpog_PC: yes, too small20:18
Morpog_PCwith more it starts to look odd with only a few words on it...20:18
VenemoMorpog_PC: take a look at the built-in apps (or IRC on your screenshot) and see how much padding they have20:19
Venemothe last 3 tweets is enough, I think20:19
Venemosee also
Morpog_PCwell, tehre is no lack of padding :)20:20
Morpog_PCit's just small20:20
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jukepaddingLarge is too much imo on side for covers20:21
Venemowell, it looks ugly with the current padding20:21
Morpog_PCi kinda like it though Venemo20:21
Venemolike I said, look at any of the built-in apps20:21
Venemolook at the padding of the messaging app, for example20:22
Morpog_PCsure Venemo but none of those have to show lots of text20:22
Morpog_PClets have a try, wait a sec20:22
jukewhat's the point of have three different padding sizes if only Large can be used?20:22
Venemoconclusion: don't show lots of text on the cover20:22
Venemojuke: the other padding sizes are for different places20:23
Morpog_PCvenemo, well then the whole cover would be useless, i always peek from other apps to see latest tweets20:23
Morpog_PCalso the margins were done by veskuh if i remember correctly20:24
Morpog_PCI haven't changed them20:24
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VenemoMorpog_PC: on the cover, I'd just show number of unread tweets, number of unread interactions and number of unread DMs20:25
VenemoMorpog_PC: that's just my opinion though20:25
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Venemonobody's gonna read real tweets from the cover20:25
Venemoespecially when you have >4 apps open20:25
* Morpog_PC feel not like nobody :D20:25
VenemoMorpog_PC: sure, but can you read the tweets even from the tiny cover?20:26
Morpog_PCyep, not easily but yep :)20:27
Morpog_PCI tend to have not more than 4 apps open most of the times20:27
VenemoI have ~ 7 apps open all the time20:28
Venemoemail, calendar, people, phone, browser are open all the time20:28
Venemoirc, tweetian most of the time20:28
VenemoI can't comfortably read the text on the tweetian cover. font size too small, text too cluttered20:29
Morpog_PCwell, as I said not easily readable :D20:29
Venemoah, I forgot, settings is also open all the time as I frequently turn wifi, mobile data and bluetooth on/off20:30
Morpog_PCI can make an alternative version and propose a PR and let veskuh and situ decide20:30
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Venemowell, this is not the only place where tweetian breaks the sailfish guidelines20:30
Morpog_PCsure, most of the stuff is being worked on20:31
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Armadillooh great20:31
Morpog_PCyou can help us20:31
Venemoalso suffers from this:
Armadilloonly 36 hours for the last update :)20:31
VenemoArmadillo: what update? :O20:31
Morpog_PCvenemo, there is an Issue open for this from me20:31
Armadilloof my app ;)20:32
Armadillo36h qa20:32
Venemowhat's your app? :)20:32
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Morpog_PCI guess it will be solved in the future20:34
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Venemowith all due respect, if a guy works full-time on a platform and then writes an app which breaks the platform guidelines, it feels a bit flaky20:34
Morpog_PCmmmh venemo, bigger font and maximumlinecount upped to 3 doesn't look good at all :(20:35
jukeyou guys are waay too anal about the guidelines20:35
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VenemoMorpog_PC: yes, I suppose that's even uglier20:36
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Venemo[21:23] <Venemo> Morpog_PC: on the cover, I'd just show number of unread tweets, number of unread interactions and number of unread DMs20:36
Morpog_PCoh, must have missed that :)20:36
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VenemoI imagine it like having the 3 icons next to each other and a number above them20:36
Morpog_PChmm quite minimalistic though20:37
Morpog_PCmaybe I have a look on that on weekend20:38
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Venemojuke: I believe it's everyone's best interest to respect the guidelines. advantage to your users: your app feels more "at home" and therefore they will be more likely to use it more. advantage to you: your users will like it more, so you'll be more popular20:39
Venemothat being said, I believe there are exceptions20:40
Venemofor example, games20:40
Morpog_PCwell Venemo rules are there to break is an very old saying20:41
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VenemoI remember when we first developed apps for windows phone - it was the same story, nobody understood the UI guidelines. but then, users just 1-starred the apps that were ugly, so people started to adapt to the guidelines pretty soon20:42
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walokrayou would trust the users to know what is good UI...21:41
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coderusi dont like silica guidelines for 100%21:44
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coderusi just cant follow it for 100% in mitakuuluu project21:45
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coderusit breaks some of application functions21:45
Hartzilike what?21:49
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coderuslike fast access to menu22:03
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Tiffany18 Hi! I give you some videos. I hope you like!
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jukeis mitakuuluu in harbour?22:07
jukeis there some commandline tool for openrepos?22:09
jukedoes it integrate with pkcon?22:10
Morpog_PCsure, just use pkcon or zypper22:11
Morpog_PCor warehouse app22:11
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Morpog_PCVenemo, hmmm
VenemoMorpog_PC: yeah, you're getting there :) nice stuff22:22
* Morpog_PC still wonders why SVG's get blured in QML when enlarging22:22
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kimmoliMorpog_PC: +122:26
suyfacebook to buy whatsapp...  That explains the DMCA takedowns, I suppose.22:28
Morpog_PCmmmh sounds horrible22:28
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Yaniellooks like I won't be needing mitakuuluu after all :/22:37
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noobishwhere does the n900 stand on sailfish port? I see N9 is more or less functional from instructions on
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etwecsorry used to terminal commands.22:58
etwecjust learned of sailfish. also saw some pictures of it ported to a nexus 7. how usable is it now? i understand it is still in alpha.22:59
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Venemoetwec: how usabe in general or on nexus7?23:16
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etwecboth i suppose23:18
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etwec_if someone answered my question could you please repeat it?23:29
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Yanielwhich one?23:30
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etwec_how stable/usable is salifish in general and when it is ported to the nexus 723:30
etwec_i imagine the nexus 7 2013 version23:30
Yanielhow usable sailfish is in general? I use my jolla as my main phone without any major problems  so far23:30
Yanielthe nexus port is just someone's personal experiments so far afaik23:31
etwec_ok. awesome. what phones are supported so far? and how good is the android .apk emulation?23:32
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Yanielthe only supported phone so far is the jolla23:36
YanielI haven't played much with android apps23:36
Yanielsteam works fine23:36
Yanielthe steam android app23:37
FireFlyOh, there's such a thing23:37
FireFlyI didn't know23:37
Yanielit has chat and store/wishlist browsing23:37
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etwec_what are phones that are using it well? i saw tests on nexus 4. how about nexus 5?23:38
etwec_hmmm. i hope this project gains a lot of ground. i mean it has it's own hardware so that is a good sign23:40
Yanielnothing official23:40
Yanielin theory if you can get cyanogenmod installed on it you can try23:40
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etwec_what is sailfish based off of?23:40
Yanieland that is based on meego23:41
etwec_isnt mer ubuntu's baby?23:41
Yanielthat is mir23:41
etwec_oooh nevermind that is mir23:41
artemmaetwec_: Android hardware, lmer for low level software and HW adaptation, nemomobile middleware, Silica controls for UI framework, closed Jolla apps for the apps23:41
Yanielwhich is a completely different thing23:41
etwec_it uses wayland?23:41
Yanielsailfish does yes23:42
noobishUbuntu tried ubuntu edge, i think that may be dead now23:42
Yanielthey just did a press release about distribution deals and phones coming suun23:42
Yanielthe edge is dead though23:42
etwec_is it heavy on resources?23:43
Yanielit wouldn't run on the jolla if it was23:43
etwec_really? what are the specs for jolla?23:44
Yanielor it would, but not really that nice to use23:44
Yanielsee jolla.com23:44
etwec_another question. closed source or opensource for the os?23:44
Yanielclosed UI, other stuff is open23:45
Yanielexcept for driver binaries provided by hw vendors23:45
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etwec_closed ui? can you explain?23:45
Yanieland they said they are working on opening the UI too23:45
Yanielthat is open23:45
Yanielbut it does not have a GUI23:45
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etwec_that is really cool23:46
Yanielsailfish adds one23:46
etwec_that is pretty awesome. i am surprised i havent heard of this project before?23:48
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