Wednesday, 2014-04-09

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taixzoanyone here know anything about pyotherside?03:16
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taixzoone of the lines in my python code is causing a segfault, although it works just fine in the interpreter03:22
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tbrtaixzo: that would be something for thp I guess. Do you have some code that you could paste that does this reproducibly?04:06
taixzotbr: sure. urllib.request.urlopen("")04:08
taixzoalso, subprocess.Popen(["curl", "-XGET", ""], stdout=subprocess.PIPE).communicate() also segfaults04:10
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taixzocomputer died, did I miss anything?04:16
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taixzook, after further testing, it appears that code running under PyOtherSide makes a distinction between bytes.decode("utf-8") and bytes.decode("UTF-8") - the first one segfaults, while they both work fine in the interpreter.04:37
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taixzobut - subprocess.Popen(["ls"], stdout=subprocess.PIPE).communicate() works, while subprocess.Popen(["curl"], stdout=subprocess.PIPE).communicate() breaks.04:43
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taixzowtf, it doesn't even segfault 100% of the time - more like 70%. So quite possibly all the things I thought were safe aren't either.04:55
taixzowhy does NOBODY ELSE IN THE ENTIRE INTERNET have this problem!!???04:56
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fluxtaixzo, so it's not python.. it's you :-(06:48
taixzoflux: then what am I doing wrong!?06:49
fluxtaixzo, python detects the person giving instructions and refuses to work correctly?06:49
fluxtaixzo, btw, have you tried producing a core dump and getting a backtrace with gdb?06:49
fluxI think there are many debug symbols available..06:49
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taixzoflux: this is what gdb says:
taixzoit seems to be an error in QT?06:55
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thptaixzo: sounds like you're hitting that bug where you're using an old version of pyotherside06:56
thptaixzo: are you running SFOS 1.0.4.x or newer?06:56
thptaixzo: also, what is the output of rpm -qa | grep pyotherside ?06:56
taixzothp: I have whatever version of SFOS came in the emulator, let me check06:57
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thptaixzo: oh yeah, emulator probably has old packages.06:57
taixzothp: pyotherside-qml-plugin-python3-qt5-1.0.0-1.17.1.i48606:58
taixzohow can I update? I don't have a Jolla, just the emulator and my N906:58
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thptaixzo: if you install those three packages in the emulator, it should be a bit better, can you try?06:59
thptaixzo: ssh into the emulator, then download the files (e.g. curl), then pkcon install-local of the rpm files should work06:59
taixzoone minute07:01
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taixzohasn't segfaulted yet, that 's a good sign!07:01
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thp:) yeah, it was some threading bug in the very first release of pyotherside (v8 isn't thread safe, and the reference-counting crashed if the QJSValue was passed over by value, and destroyed in the other thread), you shouldn't experience any crashers in the current version07:04
taixzoThank you!
cvptaixzo: cool, what is the name of the app ? :)07:08
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taixzocvp: it's called Saera.
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cvptaixzo: ah ok, look grate on sailfish :)07:11
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taixzocvp: thanks!07:11
taixzobtw, anyone know how I can set alarms on sailfish from a script?07:12
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fluxtaixzo, seems pretty nifty!07:12
fluxtaixzo, I don't know, but I needed to find out, I would probably use dbus-monitor and then set an alarm :-)07:13
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fluxunless there is some Qt api for doing this..07:13
taixzohmm, the emulator doesn't have the clock app installed - is there a way I can install that, or do I have to do that on device?07:14
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spiirointaixzo: there is timed debugging tool that can be used - something like: timedclient-qt5 -b'TITLE=button0' -e'APPLICATION=nemoalarms;TITLE=Hello;ticker=5'07:44
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taixzospiiroin: I can't find a timedclient-qt5, either in the FS or the repos; there is a timed-qt5, but that bails out complaining CRITICAL: can't register service '' on bus 'qt_default_system_bus': ''07:49
spiirointaixzo:  as timedclient is debug/test tool, it is not installed by default. comes from timed-qt5-tools package07:51
spiiroinand timed is started via: systemctl --user timed-qt5.service07:52
spiiroinat least on the device, not sure about emulator07:53
spiiroinPMG ^07:53
PMGtaixzo: this is happening in emulator?07:54
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taixzoPMG: yes07:54
taixzoalso, starting timed doesnt work, says Unknown operation 'timed-qt5.service'.07:55
PMGtaixzo: Hmm, what does "rpm -q timed-qt5" say?07:55
fluxthe command was missing something07:55
fluxor start07:55
fluxdon't recall :)07:55
spiiroinare you root or nemo user?07:55
spiiroinyes. start missing ;-)07:56
taixzoPMG: timed-qt5-2.84-1.10.1.i48607:56
spiiroinsystemctl --user start timed-qt5.service07:56
taixzoah, that worked!07:56
taixzoor at least it didn't have any errors.07:56
fluxsystemctl status timed-qt5.service will tell how it's doing07:57
PMGAnd pgrep timed-qt5 shows the pid if timed is running07:57
taixzohmm. [nemo@SailfishEmul ~]$ systemctl status timed-qt5.service timed-qt5.service   Loaded: error (Reason: No such file or directory)   Active: inactive (dead)07:58
fluxoh, it requires --user as well07:58
taixzoaha! It's running then!07:58
taixzospiiroin: what is that example supposed to do? It says "event added, cookie is 2" and that's all it seems to do.07:59
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coderusGallery share/transfer plugin finally working. thanks to zchydem_!
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spiirointaixzo: it adds alarm to a queue maintained by timed; if you have all the necessary dependencies installed, a clock alarm lookalike should pop up in 5 secs08:08
spiiroinclock alarms might require clock ui before they show up08:09
taixzoyeah, they must require something, nothing is showing up08:09
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PMGtaixzo, spiiroin: jolla-alarm-ui is the package responsible for showing calendar/clock alarms08:10
cvpcoderus: is this meaning that we can send files from galary to mitäkuuluu or other apps ?08:11
spiirointaixzo: and keep in mind that timedclient is test/debugging tool, i.e. no guarantees that it or even the APIs it is using are working in the future08:12
taixzoPMG: is there a x86 version of that package somewhere? It's not in the sdk repos.08:12
taixzospiiroin: right.08:12
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coderuscvp: sure. as soon as you create share plugin for each application :)08:21
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cvpthats really cool :)08:22
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jake9xxcvp: coderus the basica fw supports that already providing you have the account provider giving you that property08:55
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coderusjake9xx: i cant understand what you mean09:19
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Sage-tbr: where was that oss dump of yours about sailfish. Asking as I want to check what thing we don't have in the open git trees of that yet. I though we have most of that in the open already.09:20
Sage-sry, lazy to search irc logs :)09:20
tbrSage-: it's on images.formeego.org09:21
tbryou can nicely grep the _service files for git urls09:21
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Sage-wow, that server has some bandwidth :)09:22
Sage-11.0MB/s :P09:23
tbrnah, sux, only 100MBit as one media converter is not Gbit09:23
Sage-well, maxed out my line for a moment there :)09:23
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jake9xxcoderus: ok, let's assume you make a account plugin for 'mitakuuluu'. There you define it's properties and declare for example you have the share property09:25
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coderusjake9xx: no09:25
coderusi'm not making account plugin09:25
jake9xxnow if you open jolla gallery and look for share targets, our SailfishOS sees your provider as valid share target as well09:26
coderusi making share plugin09:26
coderuswithout account09:26
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jake9xxok, good luck :)09:26
coderusand just calling my operations via dbus09:26
coderusits easy :)09:26
coderuscontrolling transfer progress/status is a bit of pita, but doable09:27
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TemeVcoderus, Do you have plans on integrating mitäkuuluu to Jolla's messaging app?09:46
TemeVor is it even doable yet?09:46
cvpbut what jake9xx write sounds very good and konfortable.... but i dont know how many time it will take from you  if you do this way :)09:48
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coderusTemeV: no09:49
coderusits another project, not mitakuuluu09:50
TemeVcoderus, ok09:50
TemeVIt would be nice to use whatsapp from the messagin app, I hate having different apps open for different messaging systems09:51
coderus and
coderusbtw, does sailfish support multi users chats?09:52
coderusanybody tried it with default xmpp09:52
cvpxmpp not support muc :( i ask many times09:52
coderusthen integration whatsapp in jolla accounts and messaging is a bad idea :)09:53
tantycvp: xmpp doesn't support muc ?09:55
chem|sttanty: jolla does not support muc09:56
tantyah, OK09:56
cvpsry :) i mean jolla not xmpp :D09:56
chem|sttanty: jolla does support text only09:56
tantythen, it seems it is a feature we want for jolla's messaging app09:56
TemeVquite disappointing :(09:56
chem|stand it even brings my carbon to play up09:56
tantyor a niche for someone who would provide it in their app09:56
tantyusing the plugins already existing in Sailfish09:57
chem|stjolla needs us to provide a proof of concept for anything we want and they adapt... just like the wlan-hotspot09:58
tantycvp: thanks for the link09:58
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lpotter"wlan-hotspot" was being worked on before that tethering app was available...09:59
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chem|stlpotter: the "tethering" in settings uses wlan-hotspot, it even uses the same setting files10:00
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cvptanty ... this is why i use whatsap account too, to chat with familie in one group and send picture/videos.... but if this is possible with xmpp under jolla, than i go complety to xmpp10:00
lpotterno, it uses libconnman-qt/connman10:00
lpotterI know, because I wrote it10:01
chem|stlpotter: wlan-hotspot or the integration?10:02
tantycvp: I think the "cleanest" for a multi protocol app would be to implement a telepathy plugin for whatsapp (there are already some efforts on this, AFAIK) and, then, creating a telepathy client app (like Jolla's?) with extended UI to allow MUC10:02
chem|stlpotter: so and you wrote it up from scratch?10:02
tantyin any case, supporting privative protocols like WhatsApp in Telepathy is not a priority, I'm afraid10:02
lpotterchem|st: as in the 'share internet' settings page. it uses standard connman dbus calls10:02
tantyit is really a disgrace that it is so popular, existing plan XMPP10:03
cvptanty: not only you :(10:03
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coderustanty: whatsapp-purple already available10:03
chem|stlpotter: I did not want to start an argument... you are using the same paths as wlan-hotspot, at least I did not need to fill in any settings as they were the same as in wlan-hotspot10:03
tantycoderus: nice! didn't know ...10:04
coderusi'm using it on my  desktop with pidgin :)10:04
lpotterchem|st: it uses dbus calls10:04
tantyhow good does it work?10:04
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tantybelieve it or not, my parents don't own a smartphone but want WhatsApp and they are thinking on replacing their regular phone just because of that10:05
coderusyou only need external registration procedure, but on Jolla it can be acieved with accounts10:05
tantywould be great if I could just give them WhatsApp in their GNU/Linux box10:05
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tantycoderus: right!10:05
coderusjust grab/compile wapurple and load it to pidgin10:05
lpotterchem|st: all that info is standard connman control :)10:06
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cvpcoderus: but i cant use on both in same time or? also pidgin + phone10:08
chem|stlpotter: ok10:08
lpotterchem|st: the store tethering app just hastened the tethering settings release10:09
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chem|stgood for me10:10
TemeVcvp, Whatsapp only supports one device at a time10:10
chem|stI am looking fwd to send MMS, at least something when I am unable to voicecall10:10
coderuscvp: you cant:
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chem|stvery interesting to see what stuff gets prioritised10:11
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cvpcoderus: is it not possible to sniff the pw directly on jolla phone ?10:24
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coderuscvp: what you mean?10:50
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cvpi read the how to to snif the pw from ehatsapp... but its for android,,, it need a cert ... and this is my question if its possible snif the pw with a jolla device10:53
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coderusmitakuuluu keeping your whatsapp password in plain text :)10:54
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cvplol really ?10:55
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cvpcoderus: can you tell me where i find it ?10:56
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coderuscvp: sqlite3 /home/nemo/.whatsapp/whatsapp.db "select * from login;"10:58
carepackcvp: it was possible until novenber / december to sniff whatsapp in a local wireless lan. But the security risk is fixed. "WhatsApp Sniffer" isn't working anymore10:59
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squiddcoderus: wow, password and plaintext... :(11:00
Sfiet_Konstantinsquidd: coderus yep, we should probably ask Jolla / Nemo guys to have some encrypted storage system11:03
Sfiet_Konstantin(friends token is also in plaintext, and so are pw stored in the jolla)11:04
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vans01hm... I wonder if pidgin could make use of kde wallet or gnome's analog, and if they are not present store plain...11:07
coderussquidd: well, its base64 encoded :D11:08
cvpcoderus: its works... but show only groupe chats, no contacts...11:08
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coderuscvp: wapurple?11:08
coderusyou need to add contacts or wait until them write to you11:09
coderuswhatsapp not saving your contacts on server :)11:09
vans01Stskeeps, hi, have you seen the link to pastebin with more detailed log (with sim and ril)?11:09
coderusonly group chats you participating11:09
Stskeepsvans01: yeah i wasn't able to get additional debug out :/11:09
coderusits myth about whatsapp keeping all your chat history and contacts :D11:09
vans01Stskeeps, ok, I was wondering have you seen it or not.11:10
vans01Stskeeps, so, possibly we sould leave it alone until next build ^_^11:10
cvpits not a myth :) ... if i have a new phone and regist my number again , whatapp show me all my contacts11:11
coderuscvp: official whatsapp syncing all your phonebook11:12
squiddI'm pretty sure it just does the sync automatically11:12
squiddops slow as fuck11:12
coderuswhen you registering new phone in whatsapp, you havent clean phonebook, right? :)11:12
coderusits only mitakuuluu feature to choose contacts you want to synchronize11:13
squiddand what a nice feature it is <311:13
squiddhmm, I wonder why I cant install anything with warehouse :O11:13
cvpyeah :)11:14
cvpand is it possile to delete the information on whatsapp server ?11:14
coderusbut well, if you sync your fiend who havent registered in whatsapp yet, and then your friend register in whatsapp and sync you, your friend's contact appear in your whatsapp chats automatically11:14
coderuscvp: there is delete account in official whatsapp and delete everything in mitakuuluu :)11:14
cvpwondering that this is possible to delete anythink ... i mean the permission to do that11:15
coderuswhat you mean? what permission?11:16
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coderusits xmpp based11:16
cvpto delete on whatapp server :D11:16
coderusyou calling cleaning your server-side roster, messages pool and account information11:16
cvpfor users11:16
squiddcvp: I'm pretty sure they delete stuff on their server when you delete it from the app11:16
coderusit cleaning your registration tokens and dropping your connection11:16
squiddas it will delete you from friends lists and stuff like that11:17
cvphmm ok11:17
coderusand if someone sync your number server return 404 :)11:17
Sfiet_KonstantinStskeeps: emails pw are stored plain text in the Jolla :(11:17
coderusi tested all cases  when porting protocol11:17
vans01squidd, a won't so sure, escepcially after facebook owning it. ;)11:18
StskeepsSfiet_Konstantin: yes, how else can you auth with them? :P11:18
vans01*won't be so11:18
cvpcoderus: if you say, whatsapp is base on xmpp... is it not possible to change the server to my onw server like ejabberd ?11:18
squiddvans01: me neither but I'm just guessing they delete stuff since they say its irreversible and so on11:18
vans01squidd, oh, yep. I see..11:19
Sfiet_KonstantinStskeeps: a bit of security don't hurt11:19
coderuscvp: sure. as soon as you get whatsapp server soures and implement all of its protocol and connect your server to whatsapp datacenters if you want to communicate with contacts connected to official servers :)11:19
Stskeepsit's useless anyway, we could rot13 it, but it'd always be possible11:19
Stskeepswe end up with a weapons race11:19
Stskeepsand suddenly we have aegis11:19
sharpneliSfiet_Konstantin: Is the PW readable by normal user processes?11:20
sharpneliOr do you need root?11:20
Sfiet_Konstantinsharpneli: no, it but it is from privileged11:20
coderuspriveleged, yes11:20
coderusfrom any boosted process, gained privileged rights11:20
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Sfiet_Konstantincoderus: but you need to be in the privileged list to have access from boost11:21
sharpneliThat's pretty much all security you can get. If you have root you can also just attach debugger to the mail client and grab the PW after it's been decrypted if it's crypted on the disk11:21
coderusSfiet_Konstantin: SETGID11:21
cvpcoderus: i dont want connected t other ... only with my contacts from my server ;)11:21
Sfiet_Konstantincoderus: ah true11:21
sharpneliBut you need the plaintext PW at some point because the mail server wants the plaintext PW.11:21
Sfiet_Konstantinforgot SETGID issue11:21
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coderuscvp: then just use xmpp :)11:21
Sfiet_Konstantinsharpneli: true11:21
coderusisnt  mailserver under SSL?11:22
cvpmy think is , to use mitäkuuluu for my own server :D this is what i want to know ...11:22
coderuscvp: why you need mitakuuluu then? use regular xmpp11:22
cvpbecause file sending is incl. an dall other think ;) ... and MUC11:22
cvpxmpp doesnt have file transfer and dont cant MUC ;) you know11:23
coderusits much easier to implement any xmpp client than creating whatsapp services over xmpp11:23
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coderuscvp: xmpp can do whatever you want11:23
coderusits jolla messenger cant11:24
cvpyes i know :D11:24
cvpBUT on jolla not11:24
cvpyes right :D11:24
coderus17:23 < coderus> its much easier to implement any xmpp client than creating whatsapp services over xmpp11:24
cvp... but i cant... no skilz ... and no body do that at moment :(11:25
coderus  but you have skills on creating custom xmpp server and services, right? :D11:25
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cvpwith how to's on inet11:25
vans01cvp, hm... if it's not dead, you may look at qutim11:25
vans01cvp, i mean porting it11:26
coderusqutim is poorly coded11:26
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coderusi mean its too complex solution11:26
coderusthere are too many xmpp clients written in qt11:26
vans01coderus, don't know anything about it's internals :(11:26
coderusand telepathy clients too11:27
vans01coderus, :D yep11:27
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vans01coderus, but qutim is multiprotocol. but if it's poorly coded....(11:27
vans01well, btw, it tries to use telepathy, afaik.11:27
coderusit have purple plugin11:28
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coderusbut its the most poorly coded part of qutim :D11:28
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coderusand its not qutim issue11:28
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vans01coderus, oh, yep.... There was some strange multiplugin multiprotocol things... they used own realisation ,than tried to use both libpurple and  telepathy.... omg, I'm not that much integrated in qutim development....11:29
vans01coderus, well... I've liked qutim in it's early stages, hope it can grow up string and well coded :D11:30
coderusqutim have good own xmpp protocol11:31
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coderusbutpurple one is better, afaik11:31
coderusso i switched to pidgin11:31
coderusyou can port pidgin :)11:31
coderusit will suit beeter to telepathy-based messaging system11:31
vans01coderus, lol, yeah, great.... finally we can port pidgin11:31
coderusyou just need to create silica ui for gui11:32
coderusas legacy pidgin is gtk11:32
coderusand i cant suggest anyone to port gtk :D11:32
coderusits doable, but why? :)11:32
vans01hm... I don't that much like pidgin but it does work and it's the main thing that makes me use it11:33
vans01yeah, " its doable, but why?"11:34
coderusyes. pidgin just work.11:36
coderusit have ugly ui and it breaks at some updates and then fixed again, but works :)11:36
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flotronWhy i get this on qt creator? Wrong time in SDK? :-1: warning: File `Makefile' has modification time 1.9 s in the future12:00
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nh1402Ubuntu touch has been unofficially ported to the nexus 5, I was wondering if it was possible to use the kernel for Ubuntu touch to work with sailfish as they have similarities such as libhybris12:01
tbrthe patches for 4.4 have been floating around, origin is canonical12:01
tbrtechnically possible12:01
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kimmolicoderus: did you got the journal-logging from app to work?12:16
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coderuskimmoli: only pushing text12:50
coderuscant really use properties like line, function and etc.12:51
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coderuskimmoli: is it working at all? did you succeded? or maybe i need to use some special way for getting full log from journal?13:23
kimmoliim just planning to start testing that13:24
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Nicd-[W] unknown:111 - file:///usr/lib/qt5/qml/Sailfish/Silica/PageStack.js:111: TypeError: Cannot read property 'parent' of null13:56
Nicd-what can this be related to? happens when I'm pushing a new page on the stack13:56
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TheDoctor_Any new of a new update of Sailfish os for Nexus 4?14:06
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nahkissNicd-: without seeing any code, I would guess that there is no definite answer to that, but maybe you're having same problem as
Nicd-nahkiss: the page I'm pushing is a simple Page with a SilicaListView14:10
Nicd-the only time parent is mentioned in that file is in 'anchors.fill: parent' in the SilicaListView14:11
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coderusNicd-: code14:47
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TheBootroo_homehi !15:30
TheBootroo_homei have an issue on Sailfish15:30
TheBootroo_homeQLocale::system () always return "C"15:30
TheBootroo_homeinstead of the actual language of the device15:31
TheBootroo_homehow can i detect language properly ?15:31
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Sfiet_KonstantinTheBootroo_home: I think you are wrong with something15:42
Sfiet_Konstantindon't know what but something15:42
Sfiet_KonstantinTheBootroo_home: gimme the snippet you are using15:43
TheBootroo_homeQString lang = QLocale::system ().name ();15:43
TheBootroo_homein my case, should return "fr_FR" or at least "fr"*15:44
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Sfiet_Konstantinindeed, this sounds strange15:44
Sfiet_KonstantinTheBootroo_home: did you called it before of after creating a QXApplication ?15:45
Sfiet_Konstantinindeed, strange ...15:46
Sfiet_Konstantinbecause what I'm using works perfectly15:46
TheBootroo_homein Friends ?15:47
Sfiet_Konstantinin friends15:47
Sfiet_Konstantinwhen loading translation15:48
Sfiet_Konstantinbut I have just seen that I'm using QLocale15:48
Sfiet_Konstantinnot QLocale::system15:48
Sfiet_Konstantintry with a defaulty cnonstructed QLocale ?15:48
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TheBootroo_homeSfiet_Konstantin: using default QLocale works, but only when launched from launcher, not from QtCreator15:51
Sfiet_Konstantinbetter keep default QLocale then, it should be always be invoked15:52
TheBootroo_homenow i need to find people from different country to help in translation15:55
TheBootroo_homefor now i made English and French15:55
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Sailor5692Hi, does sdcard is know to not working on 1.0.4 ? My jolla back few hours ago from repair but sdcard doesn t seems to work16:01
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stephgSailor5692, what format is the card? did it work before?16:03
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Sailor5692was working on 1.0.3, didn t works after 1.0.4 and before sending device to repair16:04
Sailor5692oh nick not set .16:05
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Khertanformatted ext3 or ext4 not sure16:06
Khertanoh dmesg see insert16:07
stephgcan you fsck it?16:07
stephgblkid /dev/mmcblk1p*16:07
Khertanlol no vfat16:09
Khertanno fsck.vat on device16:10
stephgdunno whether dosfstools has it in or not16:10
Khertanso what is recommended  fs ?16:10
stephgyeah there's a dosfsck in dosfstools16:10
stephg(or mount it in a pc and see if it's broken there)16:10
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stephgas to what's 'recommended', whatever floats your boat :)16:14
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coderusis there are easy way to create thumbnail for video file?16:33
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Morpog_PCcoderus, maybe
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taixzoDoes anyone know how Sailfish stores emails?17:23
stephgin a mixture of flat files and a sqlite database17:24
stephg(the former probably transiently)17:25
coderusMorpog_PC: yeah, already solved it with thumbmailer :)17:28
coderusis it known issue about unicode vcard files importing?17:28
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coderuscards with unicode values like N:;=D0=9C=D0=B8=D1=80=D0=B0;;; doesnt decoded while importing17:29
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taixzostephg: any idea where? The emulator doesn't have the email package.17:36
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stephgshutdown on the n4 sometimes seems to do an unordered one (without jolla overlay)17:46
stephgdone it twice now after charging17:46
stephgwill try and do it again but have charging, unplug charger, hold power button, it shuts off & reboots immediately to Google logo17:46
stephgrather than Jolla fade in and out and off17:46
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Sfiet_KonstantinMorpog_PC: ping ?17:52
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kempeis it possible to change the name for an app if its in the store? im thinking everything not just the name field where you submit the app. or will all settings and database be lost then?18:08
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taixzoHow do I figure out a database layout in sailfish os? There's no database browser app yet, and I don't really know sqlite.18:15
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Sfiet_Konstantinping Morpog_PC :$18:21
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m4g0gtaixzo: what do you want particulary?18:39
taixzom4g0g: I'm writing a Siri-like app. One feature I want is the ability for it to tell me what new emails I have and read them to me.18:41
taixzoand I'm trying to figure out the database that the emails are in.18:41
m4g0gtaixzo: hm. You want access to messages storage?18:41
Stskeepstaixzo: pocketshpinx based?18:41
taixzom4g0g: yes18:42
taixzoStskeeps: we'll see18:42
taixzoStskeeps: currently it's just using wit.ai18:42 ..?18:43
* Stskeeps looks18:43
taixzobut if someone can package pocketsphinx I'll add that as an option18:43
Stskeepsoh, that looks interesting18:43
taixzobecause I do want this to be usable offline as well18:43
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* lbt was looking at pocketsphinx as part of kde-speech some time back18:51
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Morpog_PCSfiet_Konstantin, pong18:52
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kimmoliOT: do you pass Finnish language quick-test?
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flotronhelp with qtcreator/sdk20:12
stephgwhat's up flotron20:13
anshinquick question: can I write apps with languages other than C++?20:15
ln-javascript and qml20:17
Stskeepsand python20:17
flotronstephg: classic hello world project--- throw me this :-1: warning: File `Makefile' has modification time 2.2 s in the future20:18
flotronwhen building20:18
anshinStskeeps: will I have trouble leveraging anything in the SDK from python?20:19
stephgwell clock skew but I'd have thought vbox should be good at that20:19
stephgbut yeah checking the times on your box and the sdk build box20:19
stephgjust booting mine to have a poke around20:20
flotroni took a look there, but i couldn't see clock options20:20
flotroni even tried reinstalling all20:20
stephgyou should ssh into the box itself20:20
stephg2.2s doesn't suggest timezones obvs20:20
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flotroni already ssh in there. But i can¡t understand how to sync 2.2 secs20:22
stephgI've forgotten where the bloody option is to show the virtualbox window...20:24
stephgah found it20:26
stephgwhat is the host OS?20:27
stephgit's not on a fat FS is it by any chance?20:27
stephgwhereever the SailfishOS dir is for the SDK20:27
Nokiuskaltsi: and u like the ambiance?20:28
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stephgflotron, from the rsync man page:20:28
stephg...In  particular,  when  transferring to or from an MS Windows FAT20:28
stephg              filesystem (which represents times with a 2-second  resolution),20:28
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flotronnono, in the main ntfs of win720:28
stephghm ok20:28
stephg^^ that's bitten me before20:28
stephgok so not that20:29
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flotroni found on google guys with same problem and without answer20:31
stephg*might* be worth tinkering with some of this:20:33
stephgbut I don't really know I'm afraid :(20:33
stephgwhich version of vbox?20:34
flotronlatest, now. Going to watch there20:34
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KhertanSo sdcard working, formatted  on pc didnt mount on jolla20:40
Khertanany idea to understand why ?20:41
stephgformatted as what?20:41
stephgthat should work20:41
stephgwhen you insert it what does dmesg say?20:41
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stephgit should automount at /media/sdcard/<uuid>20:42
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Khertanstephg: unknow partition table20:46
stephgdid you just mkfs straight onto the raw device or did you partition it before20:46
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stephghow big is the card btw?20:47
Khertanused gparted20:47
Khertanpartition table bsd type20:47
stephgwhat does fdisk -l /dev/mmcblkp1 say?20:47
Khertanlook like not supported20:48
stephgfdisk -l /dev/mmcblk120:48
taixzoanshin: check out pyotherside20:48
Khertangive stats if sdcsrd20:49
stephgfor comparision, that's my 32g ext4 one20:49
Khertanstephg: sorry not found how to copy in jolla term20:49
stephgbsd type or bsd disklabel?20:51
Khertanstephg: indeed i ve nt partition list20:51
Khertannot sure that gui didnt give real detail20:52
stephgdo you have any data on that card yet that you care about?20:52
Khertani ll format it tomorrow with cmd line on my desktop20:52
Khertanno none data20:52
stephgyou can do it on device if you want to20:52
Khertanbacked up already20:52
stephg(just be careful to not do anything to the internal memory)20:52
Khertanthx for your help, must go on20:53
taixzoIs there a way to initiate a phone call from a script?20:53
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stephgtaixzo you may be able to do it via dbus20:54
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taixzohmm. That's helpful for SMS, but I can't get it to place a call.20:58
taixzoSailfish needs a wiki page like this one:
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stephghm more exploration in power. this time it won't start21:04
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flotronstephg that worked! :)21:13
stephgcool :)21:14
stephgit may be worth recording that somewhere21:14
flotroni dont know which but it worked, because every command you need to restart SDK to try21:14
stephgstill, glad it's sorted21:15
flotronfor the IRC log record C:\Program Files\Oracle\VirtualBox>VBoxManage setextradata "MerSDK" "VBoxInterna21:15
flotronl/Devices/VMMDev/0/Config/GetHostTimeDisabled" 121:15
flotronC:\Program Files\Oracle\VirtualBox>VBoxManage setextradata "MerSDK" "VBoxInterna21:15
flotronl/Devices/VMMDev/0/Config/GetHostTimeDisabled" 021:15
flotronC:\Program Files\Oracle\VirtualBox>VBoxManage setextradata "MerSDK" "VBoxInterna21:15
flotronl/TM/WarpDrivePercentage" 20021:15
flotronSorry for the flood21:16
flotronanother record:21:16
flotronC:\Program Files\Oracle\VirtualBox>VBoxManage guestproperty set "MerSDK" "/Virtu21:17
flotronalBox/GuestAdd/VBoxService/--timesync-min-adjust" 10021:17
flotronC:\Program Files\Oracle\VirtualBox>VBoxManage guestproperty set "MerSDK" "/Virtu21:17
flotronalBox/GuestAdd/VBoxService/--timesync-max-latency" 10021:17
flotronC:\Program Files\Oracle\VirtualBox>VBoxManage guestproperty set "MerSDK" "/Virtu21:17
flotronalBox/GuestAdd/VBoxService/--timesync-max-latency" 25021:17
flotronthats all i tried21:17
stephgwell still good to know21:18
flotronThank you stephg!21:18
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stephgcan I ask a (silly) question about what goes on with the n4 at boot21:25
stephgprobably my ignorance of android but just trying to understand21:25
stephgI seem to have something that isn't dissimilar to recovery if I start the n4 in a certain way21:26
stephgbut there's a dhcp server there21:26
stephgcan't ssh or telnet tho21:26
stephganyway only reason I mention it is that if you start the device from flat, it'll eventually boot, but then on shutdown it does a restart instead of the jolla shutdown21:27
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stephgah looks like hybris-boot21:32
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taixzoso I captured the dbus messages while I placed a phone call. The only one that contained the phone number was this one:
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taixzoAny idea how I'd run that with dbus-send?21:46
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specialtaixzo: you do not send that message21:53
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specialtaixzo: take a look at
specialand proceed at your own risk21:55
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specialyou may also want to check if the UI exposes a dbus interface you can use to dial a call, which might give you better UI behaviors.21:56
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taixzospecial: how do I check that?21:59
taixzoI know very little about dbus22:00
* lbt notes that that's a better place to start from than knowing nothing :)22:01
taixzolbt: I know just enough to break things22:02
specialtaixzo: actually, there's a smarter approach22:02
specialyou can follow what tel: URLs do22:02
specialwhich from /usr/share/applications/voicecall-ui-openurl.desktop we can see is com.jolla.voicecall.ui.openUrl22:02
taixzospecial: do those actually initiate the call or just open the number in dialer?22:03
specialmight have a prompt first, I don't recall22:03
lbtspecial: registered with QML Url handler?22:03
speciallbt: yep22:03
lbtv. neat :)22:03
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taixzobecause I'm trying to make this hands-free22:03
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taixzospecial: I made a tel: link, clicked it, and then hit "cancel" when the dialog came up because I'd forgotten to start dbus-monitor. That appears to have cancelled tel: links system-wide; I can no longer open them from any browser.22:28
specialif you open dialer manually, does it start working again?22:29
coderusqmlprofiler not really helped. after application stuck and killed it freezed at "Loading data..."22:29
coderusjake9xx: ^22:30
specialtaixzo: I can't reproduce that via xdg-open at least22:30
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taixzospecial: not sure, I don't want to go and rebuild a webpage in tryit editor just to make another tel: link22:33
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taixzospecial: I can't seem to call anything from VoiceCallManager with dbus22:33
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taixzoit says it doesn't exist:
specialtaixzo: okay, introspection seems a little broken here, but22:35
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specialwhat you want is com.jolla.voicecall.ui / com.jolla.voicecall.ui.dial(string)22:36
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speciale.g.: gdbus call -e -d com.jolla.voicecall.ui -o / -m com.jolla.voicecall.ui.dial '#225#'22:37
specialtells me that I should refill this SIM22:37
taixzospecial: what is the difference between dbus-send and gdbus?22:42
specialgdbus is slightly easier to deal with22:42
specialthey do the same thing. so does qdbus.22:42
taixzook. well, it's working with that command!22:42
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taixzobut it didn't seem to work with dbus-send. So I guess I'll just call gdbus from python22:46
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