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| coderus | entil: because of sailfish components | 03:52 |
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| entil | coderus: it's ok ;) I actually don't even use highlights, so it would've passed me by if I hadn't happened to check in :D | 05:06 |
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| spliffy | hello! | 07:32 |
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| spliffy | is there something like talk.maemo.org for sailfish? | 07:34 |
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| spliffy | i mean besides forums.jollausers.com. there isn't much discussion about development going on. | 07:36 |
| tbr | you might want to consider joining the developer mailing list | 07:37 |
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| spliffy | tbr: ok, thank you. | 07:39 |
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| spliffy | the last days is google for a phone api like on my n900, but couldn't find anything. How would i access the contacts, sms, call history and hardware settings in my application? for sms and call history there is libcommhistory. are there other phone apis? | 07:45 |
| SK_work | spliffy: I think that you have a lot of APIs in nemo repo | 07:46 |
| SK_work | for sms, it's not easy since it's telepathy | 07:46 |
| SK_work | contacts = Qt5Contacts | 07:46 |
| SK_work | but don't forget, you will need privileged to have access to this | 07:46 |
| SK_work | cf coderus 's work on mitakuluu | 07:47 |
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| spliffy | SK_work: i will check out the repo and take a look then | 07:51 |
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| nazanin | tortoisedoc: ping | 09:08 |
| tortoisedoc | anyone having a spare plane ticket to hk to hand over? :P | 09:08 |
| tortoisedoc | nazanin : pong | 09:08 |
| nazanin | tortoisedoc: the swiping option in Settings of Quickbar does not work properly | 09:09 |
| nazanin | tortoisedoc: the enabling and disabling takes effect after a long time and not immediately | 09:09 |
| tortoisedoc | nazanin : yes I noticed :P | 09:09 |
| tortoisedoc | thanks for reminding, am fixing as we speak :D | 09:09 |
| nazanin | tortoisedoc: also when I uninstall the app from launcher, the quickbar menu stays in the lock screen until I reboot | 09:10 |
| tortoisedoc | hmm | 09:10 |
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| tortoisedoc | that is a harbour limitation im afraid | 09:10 |
| tortoisedoc | OR | 09:10 |
| tortoisedoc | I think i can probably hook some dbus interface to detect uninstallation... | 09:10 |
| tortoisedoc | quickbar n9 had it | 09:10 |
| nazanin | tortoisedoc: that would be nice :) | 09:11 |
| tortoisedoc | but for some reason it did not work out of the box on sailfish | 09:11 |
| tortoisedoc | i think that's why i disabled it | 09:11 |
| nazanin | hhm | 09:11 |
| nazanin | tortoisedoc: is it possible to have it back? cause it may be kinda irritating for user to notice that after uninstallation, the bar is still there | 09:12 |
| tortoisedoc | yep | 09:13 |
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| tortoisedoc | thanks, good feedback :) | 09:13 |
| nazanin | tortoisedoc: great :) so I'll reject the app for now due to the swiping option and uninstallation problem, and then you submit an update again :) | 09:13 |
| nazanin | tortoisedoc: sounds okay? | 09:13 |
| tortoisedoc | nazanin : it was approved yesterday ? ;_; | 09:14 |
| nazanin | tortoisedoc: yesterday? | 09:15 |
| nazanin | tortoisedoc: I just took it for testing today morning from the queue | 09:15 |
| tortoisedoc | huh? | 09:15 |
| nazanin | tortoisedoc: ah yes, you're right | 09:15 |
| tortoisedoc | aaah! | 09:15 |
| tortoisedoc | yes | 09:15 |
| tortoisedoc | in the latest submission i just changed the description text :D | 09:16 |
| lainwir3d | nice, live feedback from harbour validation ! | 09:16 |
| tortoisedoc | lol | 09:16 |
| nazanin | :D | 09:16 |
| tortoisedoc | nazanin is right | 09:16 |
| tortoisedoc | yes, please reject it | 09:16 |
| tortoisedoc | i will make a new build and resubmit | 09:16 |
| tortoisedoc | as soon as the bugs are down | 09:16 |
| nazanin | tortoisedoc: cool, thanks :) | 09:16 |
| tortoisedoc | (hopefully today= | 09:16 |
| tortoisedoc | ) | 09:16 |
| * tortoisedoc digs out harmattan debota | 09:16 | |
| nazanin | lainwir3d: if we can find developers on IRC, we definately contact them if issues come up with their apps :) | 09:17 |
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| tortoisedoc | hmm was it so that com.nokia.package_manager is no more on saifishos? | 09:17 |
| nazanin | lainwir3d: if not on IRC, then via email, but it won't be as *live* as this :P | 09:17 |
| tortoisedoc | nazanin, lainwir3d : i think this is a pretty awesome feature | 09:18 |
| tortoisedoc | (to get directly in touch with qa) | 09:18 |
| tortoisedoc | old nokia way via email was messy enough | 09:18 |
| tortoisedoc | but ofc this is probably not manageable once and if jolla scales up exponentially | 09:18 |
| lainwir3d | yeah, this is nice. | 09:18 |
| tortoisedoc | unless they hire testers exponentially :P | 09:18 |
| lainwir3d | If I knew that I would have come early when my app got rejected ;) | 09:19 |
| tortoisedoc | lainwir3d : lol | 09:19 |
| lainwir3d | well, might need this soon enough actually. | 09:19 |
| tortoisedoc | lainwir3d : which app? | 09:19 |
| lainwir3d | Well my app might be untestable actually. | 09:19 |
| lainwir3d | tortoisedoc: RPNCalc | 09:20 |
| lainwir3d | and I'm writing an app for the Parrot Zik headphone, though I don't know how qa will test it since you actually need a Parrot Zik to use the app. | 09:20 |
| lainwir3d | and I don't know if Parrot will let me send one to Jolla :P | 09:21 |
| tortoisedoc | Parrot Zik? :D | 09:22 |
| kimmoli | hmm... Jul 31 23:19:05 Jolla tohd[2947]: NFC stack possibly leaked 5 memory blocks | 09:22 |
| tortoisedoc | sh1b4llz 400 € headphones O_O | 09:22 |
| lainwir3d | a bit less actually. 300€ | 09:22 |
| tortoisedoc | you working for them? | 09:22 |
| lainwir3d | You can find them at 250 if you're lucky. | 09:23 |
| lainwir3d | Yeah. | 09:23 |
| tortoisedoc | send a pair with insider-price kthxbye? ;) | 09:23 |
| lainwir3d | haha | 09:23 |
| lainwir3d | I might get 30% off. | 09:23 |
| lainwir3d | I'll let you know ;-) | 09:23 |
| tortoisedoc | 30% off of 250 € is a very decent nr | 09:23 |
| tortoisedoc | :D | 09:23 |
| tortoisedoc | are they bluetooth? | 09:24 |
| lainwir3d | I got mine free when I joined 3months ago :P | 09:24 |
| lainwir3d | yeah | 09:24 |
| lainwir3d | Bluetooth + line-in | 09:24 |
| tortoisedoc | wow | 09:24 |
| tortoisedoc | nice | 09:24 |
| lainwir3d | NFC | 09:24 |
| tortoisedoc | inbuild radio? :) | 09:24 |
| lainwir3d | Integrated spatializer and equalizer | 09:24 |
| lainwir3d | nope sorry ;) | 09:24 |
| tortoisedoc | boooo :P | 09:24 |
| tortoisedoc | jokes apart sounds like some serious headphones | 09:25 |
| tortoisedoc | just headphones or mic as well? | 09:25 |
| lainwir3d | and the application lets you change the equalizer, and change the spatializer (virtual angle of speakers and virtual room size) | 09:25 |
| lainwir3d | tortoisedoc: mic as well for calls. | 09:25 |
| tortoisedoc | wow | 09:25 |
| lainwir3d | and Active Noise Cancelling | 09:25 |
| * tortoisedoc is starting to like it | 09:25 | |
| tortoisedoc | how about 10% of this 30% off for you ;) | 09:26 |
| lainwir3d | hehe | 09:26 |
| smoku_ | lainwir3d: I also had this pleasant experience with Jolla QA: https://plus.google.com/+TomaszSternaSMK/posts/EFdNWw429tp | 09:29 |
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| tortoisedoc | nazanin : hmm sailors | 09:31 |
| tortoisedoc | does PackageKit expose a Dbus interface? | 09:31 |
| tortoisedoc | like MeeGo Did? | 09:31 |
| smoku_ | tortoisedoc: https://harbour.jolla.com/faq#7.2.0 | 09:32 |
| tortoisedoc | nazanin : see ^ | 09:33 |
| tortoisedoc | for this reason i disabled dbus interfaces | 09:33 |
| tortoisedoc | (or actually for this reason I would not be able to use them *if* i got them working= | 09:33 |
| tortoisedoc | ) | 09:33 |
| tortoisedoc | nazanin : note in the app description it is mentioned quickbar needs to be stopped before being uninstalled | 09:35 |
| tortoisedoc | and also pre-/post-uninstall scripts are prohibited :( | 09:35 |
| tortoisedoc | hmm | 09:35 |
| tortoisedoc | smoku_ : thanks | 09:37 |
| smoku_ | IMO PackageKit API should be disabled only when user did not authorize sideloading | 09:39 |
| smoku_ | once enabled in settings, it should not matter who and how sideload things... if user approves - go for it | 09:39 |
| tortoisedoc | also, why not allow for status updates via PackageKit API? | 09:40 |
| tortoisedoc | that is basically sys-> user and does not allow for installing anything | 09:40 |
| tortoisedoc | :| | 09:40 |
| tortoisedoc | now I need to make a file watcher on the program's executable :P | 09:40 |
| tortoisedoc | such a pity ;) | 09:40 |
| smoku_ | tortoisedoc: rpm install scripts are run bu root - I can understand these are not allowed, as one could sneak all kind of stuff there | 09:40 |
| tortoisedoc | smoku_ : ok yes that makes sense | 09:41 |
| smoku_ | as an old adage says: security is on the opposite scale to convinience | 09:42 |
| smoku_ | ;-) | 09:42 |
| tortoisedoc | :D | 09:42 |
| tortoisedoc | indeed | 09:42 |
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| lainwir3d_ | smokex: nice QA feedback indeed ! | 10:28 |
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| nazanin | tortoisedoc: ok, back from lunch now... did you get the answer to your question? | 10:31 |
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| nazanin | seems he's gone | 10:36 |
| nazanin | smoku_: thank you for the google+ QA feedback. It was good to read all those positive words :) | 10:37 |
| nazanin | smoku_: and also thanks for helping tortoisedoc :) | 10:38 |
| tortoisedoc | nazanin : im about to upload a new build | 10:38 |
| tortoisedoc | with fixes for settings + uninstall | 10:39 |
| nazanin | tortoisedoc: oh,you're back, ok cool :) | 10:39 |
| tortoisedoc | w000t cook | 10:39 |
| tortoisedoc | coo | 10:39 |
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| tortoisedoc | download counters work on store! :D | 10:40 |
| tortoisedoc | \o/ | 10:40 |
| tortoisedoc | nazanin : i closed the wrong channel unintentionally | 10:40 |
| tortoisedoc | clicking syndrome :P | 10:40 |
| tortoisedoc | anything important? | 10:40 |
| nazanin | tortoisedoc: nothing special, I was just at lunch and when I came back, I saw your comments, wanned to know if you have any further questions :) | 10:41 |
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| tortoisedoc | hmm | 10:43 |
| tortoisedoc | my app is locked in qa atm :| | 10:43 |
| tortoisedoc | can you reject it so I can upload the new package? :) | 10:43 |
| tortoisedoc | nazanin: ^ | 10:45 |
| * tortoisedoc waffles time | 10:45 | |
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| tortoisedoc | ^^ | 10:45 |
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| tortoisedoc | :D thanks, sorry did not mean to rush! | 10:46 |
| nazanin | tortoisedoc: I'm on it now :D | 10:46 |
| nazanin | tortoisedoc: done :) | 10:49 |
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| tortoisedoc | nazanin : ok thanks, as soon as it unlocks I will fwd to qa :) | 10:51 |
| nazanin | tortoisedoc: okay :) | 10:51 |
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| tortoisedoc | btw is there a solution for the missing bluetooth icon in the settings main menu? | 10:58 |
| nazanin | tortoisedoc: what do you mean? | 10:58 |
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| tortoisedoc | nazanin : http://picpaste.com/20140801140039-abZVBwWj.png | 11:02 |
| tortoisedoc | this i mean | 11:02 |
| tortoisedoc | : | 11:02 |
| tortoisedoc | :| | 11:02 |
| nazanin | tortoisedoc: oh :/ | 11:03 |
| nazanin | tortoisedoc: you may have unfavorited it? | 11:03 |
| nazanin | tortoisedoc: go to System > bluetooth > long tap on bluetooth icon and 'add to favorites' | 11:04 |
| tortoisedoc | :O | 11:04 |
| tortoisedoc | there is a favourite feature???? :D:D:D:D | 11:05 |
| nazanin | tortoisedoc: y-y-y-yes? :D | 11:05 |
| tortoisedoc | jolla is full of surprises every day ;) | 11:05 |
| tortoisedoc | nazanin : btw status of my app is still locked in qa :( | 11:07 |
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| nazanin | tortoisedoc: yeah, I know... there is some Harbour issue on our side which we are getting fix right away :) | 11:08 |
| tortoisedoc | :) | 11:09 |
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| tortoisedoc | ok submitted! :) | 11:22 |
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| nazanin | :) | 11:27 |
| tortoisedoc | wow | 11:29 |
| tortoisedoc | just wow | 11:29 |
| tortoisedoc | guys, i love linux :D | 11:29 |
| * tortoisedoc happy | 11:29 | |
| tortoisedoc | and qt :P | 11:29 |
| matrixx | happy and qt :P | 11:30 |
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| lainwir3d | tortoisedoc: you love linux, happy, and qt ? | 11:35 |
| tortoisedoc | lol | 11:36 |
| tortoisedoc | i love linix | 11:36 |
| tortoisedoc | *linux | 11:36 |
| tortoisedoc | and qt | 11:36 |
| tortoisedoc | and am happy :D | 11:36 |
| lainwir3d | ^^ | 11:38 |
| smoku_ | I would like to add "Send application log to developer" button to my app. Any suggestions how to implement the sending? | 11:45 |
| tortoisedoc | smoku_ : email? | 11:47 |
| BasilSemuonov | smoku, mail attached log | 11:47 |
| lainwir3d | Launch pre-written email ? | 11:47 |
| tortoisedoc | make an api on LAMP which collects log and stores in DB :P | 11:47 |
| BasilSemuonov | or if you have own server - post data to your server ;) | 11:47 |
| smoku_ | yes yes... I mean "how to launch mail app with prewritten email and log attached" ;-) | 11:47 |
| BasilSemuonov | tortoisedoc, you are reading my mind | 11:47 |
| smoku_ | BasilSemuonov: I prefer e-mail option, as it gives user a feeling of more control over the process :) | 11:50 |
| BasilSemuonov | bothered about harbour compatibility? | 11:51 |
| tortoisedoc | smoku : qt::opendesktopsomething with mainlto: mime? | 11:51 |
| tortoisedoc | *mailto | 11:51 |
| tortoisedoc | smoku_ : see above | 11:51 |
| tortoisedoc | smoku_ : QDesktopServices::openUrl | 11:52 |
| tortoisedoc | :) | 11:52 |
| tortoisedoc | otherwise you will need to provide some email client | 11:52 |
| BasilSemuonov | smoku_, use nemo-qml-plugin-email :) or directly cpp code | 11:52 |
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| smoku_ | tortoisedoc: thx. :) http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/qdesktopservices.html#openUrl | 11:53 |
| tortoisedoc | smoku_ : actually BasilSemuonov's suggestion sounds better :) | 11:53 |
| tortoisedoc | hmmm | 11:54 |
| tortoisedoc | is Math.abs supported in qml? | 11:54 |
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| giucam | i think so | 11:57 |
| giucam | Math exists, so i don't see why it shouldn't have abs :) | 11:57 |
| tortoisedoc | :) | 11:58 |
| tortoisedoc | ignorant me forgot to prepend Math :P | 11:58 |
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| HBP_ | any idea why ssh client is constantly hanging for seconds? | 12:00 |
| HBP_ | it usually survives but sometimes I just hqve to open a new terminal | 12:01 |
| HBP_ | this doesn't happen on my android phone | 12:01 |
| alin | HBP_: bad network? | 12:02 |
| HBP_ | and it really happens usually after about 10 to 20 seconds if I don't write anything | 12:02 |
| HBP_ | alin: cant be bad network all the time everywhere | 12:02 |
| HBP_ | as my android phone with connectbot is working ok | 12:02 |
| giucam | does it happen over the cable too? | 12:02 |
| HBP_ | I'm not quite sure, st keast when on wifi it happens less often | 12:03 |
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| nazanin | hey guys, has any of you worked with MPD (music player daemon)? | 12:12 |
| lainwir3d | a little | 12:13 |
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| nazanin | lainwir3d: do you know how it works actually? | 12:15 |
| nazanin | I've got it installed, but didnt understand that much from the config tutorial | 12:15 |
| lainwir3d | there isn't that much to config if i remember correctly | 12:16 |
| lainwir3d | Just add some directory to index in the config file | 12:16 |
| lainwir3d | config some minor things | 12:17 |
| lainwir3d | and it should work out of the box | 12:17 |
| lainwir3d | as long as you have a client | 12:17 |
| lainwir3d | http://www.musicpd.org/doc/user/ch03.html | 12:18 |
| lainwir3d | most of the config should have valid default i guess | 12:19 |
| lainwir3d | can you post the config file ? | 12:19 |
| nazanin | lainwir3d: the mpd.conf you mean? | 12:19 |
| lainwir3d | yes | 12:20 |
| nazanin | ok | 12:21 |
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| nazanin | lainwir3d: https://app.younited.com/?shareObject=af3ffb3e-9a5e-7b7a-2a07-955e4162ff68 | 12:24 |
| lainwir3d | you have to change the "music_directory" variable | 12:25 |
| lainwir3d | maybe the playlists one | 12:25 |
| lainwir3d | playlist_directory | 12:25 |
| lainwir3d | make sure the "user" variable is a valid user on your system. If it is not, create the user or change it to another valid value. | 12:26 |
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| nazanin | lainwir3d: okay :) | 12:28 |
| lainwir3d | the rest should be ok by leaving it default | 12:28 |
| nazanin | lainwir3d: and does it need any special client? | 12:28 |
| lainwir3d | nope | 12:29 |
| lainwir3d | you can use any mpd client | 12:29 |
| lainwir3d | there is a lot | 12:29 |
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| nazanin | lainwir3d: okay, cool | 12:30 |
| nazanin | thanks :) | 12:30 |
| lainwir3d | no problem | 12:30 |
| lainwir3d | that should be enough to have sound working | 12:32 |
| lainwir3d | you might have to config some other things later. But it should be only optimizations | 12:32 |
| lainwir3d | (note that I haven't used it for years :P) | 12:33 |
| nazanin | lainwir3d: one stupid question, why do I need to change the music and playlist directories? and to what? | 12:33 |
| lainwir3d | well this is not mandatory | 12:33 |
| lainwir3d | if you want, you can put all your music inside this directory | 12:34 |
| lainwir3d | /var/lib/mpd/music | 12:34 |
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| nazanin | yeah, this is the path to the music directory | 12:34 |
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| lainwir3d | ok | 12:36 |
| lainwir3d | I prefer to put it inside my /home | 12:36 |
| lainwir3d | that's why i said that | 12:36 |
| nazanin | hhm, I see | 12:37 |
| lainwir3d | but that's only valid if you use it with only one user | 12:37 |
| lainwir3d | OR | 12:37 |
| lainwir3d | you can put the variable "follow_inside_symlinks" to yes | 12:37 |
| lainwir3d | and do symbolic links between the /var/lib/mpd/music directory and you /home/spongebob/Music directory | 12:38 |
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| lainwir3d | this may be the cleaner way | 12:38 |
| nazanin | okaaay | 12:38 |
| lainwir3d | (if you've got selinux running, there is a chance he won't like that.) | 12:38 |
| lainwir3d | nazanin: you're trying to run it on your jolla ? ;-) | 12:39 |
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| nazanin | lainwir3d: yeah, on jolla | 12:40 |
| lainwir3d | nice | 12:40 |
| nazanin | lainwir3d: actually,using a client | 12:40 |
| lainwir3d | the user might be a problem then | 12:40 |
| lainwir3d | you mean mpd on computer, and jolla as a client ? | 12:41 |
| lainwir3d | or both on jolla ? | 12:41 |
| nazanin | lainwir3d: yeah, and there is also an 'add server' option which I don't exactly know what to add for it | 12:41 |
| nazanin | both on jolla | 12:41 |
| lainwir3d | ok | 12:41 |
| lainwir3d | then keep /var/lib/mpd/music directory, put "follow_inside_symlinks" to yes | 12:42 |
| nazanin | lainwir3d: okay | 12:42 |
| lainwir3d | and inside /var/lib/mpd/music, do symbolic links to the /home/nemo | 12:42 |
| lainwir3d | and to the sd card | 12:42 |
| lainwir3d | so that both are taken into account | 12:42 |
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| nazanin | lainwir3d: btw, is it possible to have mpd on computer and the client on phone? | 12:43 |
| lainwir3d | yes | 12:43 |
| lainwir3d | but the sound will be on computer | 12:43 |
| lainwir3d | jolla will serve as a remote control | 12:44 |
| nazanin | meh | 12:44 |
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| lainwir3d | it is possible to have sound on jolla, but the config is going to be _a lot_ harder | 12:44 |
| nazanin | do you know what I need to add for the server option side? | 12:44 |
| lainwir3d | because you'll have to setup streaming from PC to jolla | 12:44 |
| nazanin | hhhm, I see | 12:44 |
| lainwir3d | server option ? | 12:45 |
| nazanin | lainwir3d: yeah, there is an 'add server' option :/ | 12:45 |
| lainwir3d | where ? | 12:45 |
| nazanin | in the client | 12:45 |
| nazanin | I might need to contact the developer for instructions to how to make this work | 12:45 |
| lainwir3d | oh | 12:45 |
| lainwir3d | easy | 12:45 |
| nazanin | really? :P | 12:46 |
| lainwir3d | mpd act as a server | 12:46 |
| lainwir3d | look at the mpd.conf | 12:46 |
| lainwir3d | you've got "bind_to_address" and port | 12:46 |
| * nazanin is looking | 12:46 | |
| lainwir3d | if mpd server is running on jolla | 12:46 |
| lainwir3d | then server is localhost | 12:46 |
| lainwir3d | if it's on the computer, then it'll be the IP address of the computer | 12:47 |
| lainwir3d | port is 6000 by default | 12:47 |
| lainwir3d | 6600* | 12:47 |
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| lainwir3d | that means your client can control multiple MPD server, that's all. You just have to add the correct server address. | 12:47 |
| nazanin | I see, let me try it | 12:49 |
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| nazanin | lainwir3d: is it the computer wlan address? | 12:50 |
| lainwir3d | yes | 12:51 |
| lainwir3d | if mpd is running on the computer | 12:51 |
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| nazanin | lainwir3d: Ok, I think I've added the server, now the playlist should be shown? | 12:52 |
| nazanin | hhm, it doesnt connect :( | 12:53 |
| lainwir3d | hmmm | 12:54 |
| lainwir3d | firewall on PC ? | 12:54 |
| lainwir3d | you've got to open port 6600 | 12:54 |
| lainwir3d | also, verify that it's actually listening on the right port with "netstat -tunap" | 12:55 |
| nazanin | lainwir3d: ah, you mean I need to open it via csf on computer? | 12:56 |
| lainwir3d | ..what ? | 12:56 |
| lainwir3d | csf ? | 12:56 |
| lainwir3d | well you need to launch mpd. | 12:57 |
| lainwir3d | I don't really understand your setup. Where is the mpd server ? And where is the client ? | 12:57 |
| tbr | lainwir3d: what's so hard about installing icecast and pointing the jolla at the mpd stream on it? | 12:57 |
| nazanin | ah,nevermind me | 12:57 |
| lainwir3d | tbr: he already has trouble making it play normally :P | 12:58 |
| tbr | mm, point taken, but it's not _that_ hard. | 12:58 |
| nazanin | lainwir3d: if I say I am a 'she', would you underestimate me? :P | 12:58 |
| lainwir3d | but yeah, icecast. I was thinking about pulseaudio streaming i don't know why. | 12:58 |
| * tbr is the Icecast maintainer, for proper disclosure | 12:59 | |
| lainwir3d | tbr: haha fair enough. | 12:59 |
| lainwir3d | Never tried icecast to be honest so I don't know how hard it is to setup | 12:59 |
| lainwir3d | nazanin: not at all ! This is not a gender problem ;-) | 12:59 |
| lainwir3d | but a woman on Jolla channel ? I don't buy it, too good to be true ! | 13:00 |
| nazanin | lainwir3d: how come? :P | 13:00 |
| Turski | what, do we have a mpd build for jolla somewhere? | 13:00 |
| lainwir3d | anyway, you need to point the client to the IP address of the mpd server | 13:00 |
| lainwir3d | nazanin: I was joking ;-) | 13:02 |
| nazanin | lainwir3d: :-) | 13:02 |
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| lainwir3d | wow, stats on harbour.jolla.com !! | 13:18 |
| lainwir3d | That's nice ! | 13:19 |
| nazanin | lainwir3d: yup | 13:19 |
| nazanin | :) | 13:19 |
| artemma | Hey that is cool! | 13:19 |
| artemma | Thanks for mentioning lainwir3d! | 13:19 |
| lainwir3d | you're welcome | 13:19 |
| artemma | Hmm, it reports active installs - so Jolla does spy about which apps are actually installed right now? :) | 13:19 |
| coderus | i cannot build library with sec file not in rpm folder | 13:19 |
| artemma | or does "Active" mean that they know which apps were started recently | 13:20 |
| coderus | -s ./project.spec does nothing | 13:20 |
| lainwir3d | artemma: good question | 13:20 |
| coderus | still same error "cannot find spec and can't make it from yaml blah blah" | 13:20 |
| artemma | lainwir3d: I don't actually mind, it is important info for devs (when anonymized), but it's a bit contrary to what seems to be claimed, so maybe I am getting something wrong | 13:21 |
| * artemma somehow feels happy about 20K active installs out of 25K downloads of his app. Not a bad percentage, is it? :) | 13:21 | |
| lainwir3d | I don't mind either. I'm not really into the "spying is bad" thing ;-) | 13:21 |
| coderus | but mb (not mb2) works fine if i set spec path manually | 13:23 |
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| * artemma is sad to guesstimate total number of active Jolla devices looking at his apps download coutners :/ | 13:33 | |
| tadzik | what app is that? | 13:34 |
| pp_ | quite a good percentage if 25k downloads, similar to android support :-) | 13:34 |
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| artemma | I just remember that flashlight download stats were only a little behind Android download stats when both were public. And even if you assume that only 10% of Jolla owners care to download Android support, total number of devices sold is very sad then | 13:36 |
| artemma | there is, however, possibility that they started actually counting downloads lately only | 13:36 |
| artemma | so I won't state number for the guesstimate, hopefully @JollaHQ will tell something publicly now that's device count is guesstimatable by any popular app developer that was there early | 13:37 |
| * artemma noticed app submission form now has a special field for private instructions to QA - good! | 13:38 | |
| SK_work | artemma: don't think that there are many jollas out there | 13:41 |
| SK_work | how many dl you have for flashlight ? | 13:41 |
| * Aard wonders how many dating requests our testers will get :p | 13:41 | |
| SK_work | not total, but the "nique thing" | 13:41 |
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| artemma | I think download counters are actually unique | 13:42 |
| artemma | If upgrades counted, there's no way I would get 20K actives for 25K downloads - I had many-many updates over time | 13:42 |
| artemma | that is, again, unless downloads started counting lately only | 13:42 |
| artemma | Does anybody know if downloads are counted from the very beginning? Aard maybe? | 13:43 |
| Aard | not really | 13:43 |
| artemma | that gives Jolla sales a bit of a hope - otherwise number of sales guesstimated would be way too low :) | 13:44 |
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| cameris | hi | 13:44 |
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| SK_work | artemma: I don't think there is more than let's say 50K phones out then | 13:48 |
| artemma | "Around 50" was a guesstimate of the original Jolla batch size (based on somebody's (Marc's?) words of "usual btach size" and 50Ks being, well, usual minimal batch size | 13:49 |
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| * artemma hoped second batch was published | 13:49 | |
| artemma | oh well, it would explain so much effort on porting to Android though. If devices can't make much money (soon at least), then maybe alternative biz model works | 13:50 |
| lainwir3d | true | 13:52 |
| lainwir3d | artemma: what apps have you published ? | 13:54 |
| artemma | lainwir3d: Flashlight, QuickLauncher. NightSilence for start :) | 13:55 |
| lainwir3d | ok | 13:55 |
| lainwir3d | I know who you are on twitter then ;-) | 13:55 |
| artemma | and more experimental Daily Ambience, Wikipedia | 13:55 |
| lainwir3d | and you're not a girl | 13:55 |
| lainwir3d | :P | 13:55 |
| artemma | And developer oriented ones HelloWorldPro and Log4Qt demo | 13:56 |
| lainwir3d | that's indeed some nice stats | 13:56 |
| artemma | yeah, last time I checked I was not a girl indeed :) | 13:56 |
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| lainwir3d | I only have 810 downloads and 625 active. But I'm quite happy about it. | 13:56 |
| lainwir3d | My app isn't really "public" oriented :P | 13:56 |
| artemma | lainwir3d: sounds good if it's a niche app | 13:57 |
| * artemma thinks ultimate developer success rate is sales (for paid apps) or number of users starting your app week after week for the free ones. | 13:58 | |
| artemma | That is certainly except for apps that are supposed to be used once in a lifetime or very rarely or in a niche context | 13:58 |
| lainwir3d | Well my app is a RPN calculator | 13:59 |
| lainwir3d | I think it should be used by everyone, and that "standard" calculator be thrown away. | 13:59 |
| lainwir3d | Death to non rpn calculators. | 13:59 |
| lainwir3d | I have another app that I should publish. | 14:01 |
| lainwir3d | I just have to make it conform to the harbour rules. | 14:01 |
| coderus | libqrencode for sailfish (including qrencode cli tool): https://build.merproject.org/package/show/home:coderus:sailfish/libqrencode | 14:01 |
| lainwir3d | A D&D 3.5 helpers ;) | 14:02 |
| SK_work | coderus: built yayay | 14:03 |
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| coderus | SK_work: yes, just used proper specfile :D | 14:04 |
| * artemma wants mitakuuluu in harbour. Long time due | 14:04 | |
| coderus | artemma: i can't push it to harbour while dbus daemons are not allowed | 14:05 |
| artemma | coderus: I know, but if you remember I am all for overriding default rules for a few special apps | 14:06 |
| SK_work | coderus: :D | 14:06 |
| SK_work | hehe | 14:06 |
| * artemma still seriously thinks that lack of good apps is that big problem, that standard rules are way less important. | 14:07 | |
| coderus | sure, as i pushed it to chum i'm hoping someone from jolla can review it | 14:07 |
| artemma | though I understand it's a devs/user point of view. From a point of Jolla's biz success it's nothing compared to operators' acceptance or rejection of the device | 14:07 |
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| artemma | and sure to demo devices shown to operators Jolla ppl can install warehouse-originated stuff | 14:08 |
| coderus | also mitakuuluu passed alpha stage where users can report "i updated mitakuuluu and lost everything" :D | 14:08 |
| SK_work | coderus: :D | 14:09 |
| coderus | i'll try to make mitakuuluu-installer or mitakuuluu-lite for harbour | 14:09 |
| artemma | until last sailfishos update I periodically had situations with mitakuuluu daemon freezing the whole system | 14:09 |
| artemma | as detected in lighthouse by cpu usage and by the fact that "full quit" was canceling cpu overload | 14:09 |
| artemma | didn't notice that after last update anymore | 14:10 |
| coderus | artemma: daemon can't freeze system, it can eat all your resources with asynchronous wakeup :D | 14:10 |
| artemma | though now I can see phone freezes with 0% cpu.. maybe freezes moved to kernel side or something unmonitored by lighthouse | 14:10 |
| coderus | i have all actions in daemon in async mode and in different threads | 14:10 |
| coderus | nothing synchronous except main() :D | 14:11 |
| lainwir3d | ok, that is awesome : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfY-SlC2XHc | 14:11 |
| artemma | coderus: well, I did see mitakuuluu daemon eating 40%+ CPU after network connection/disconnection event. And even when I sign out off mitakuuluu. Only full quit was helping | 14:11 |
| lainwir3d | yeah I saw that too. Even 90%. | 14:11 |
| artemma | that's not exactly about freezing, more about slowness | 14:12 |
| lainwir3d | didn't see it first. I noticed it when my phone was becoming quite hot and went from 90% battery to 50 in a "few" minutes | 14:12 |
| artemma | I would blame connmann stack that is just started by mitakuuluu or somehow owned by mitakuuluu daemon process | 14:12 |
| artemma | but then I didn't do a proper research | 14:13 |
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| artemma | and anyway I don't see it after last OS update anymore. Not that much at least | 14:13 |
| lainwir3d | Saw that yesterday. | 14:13 |
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| spliffy | Sven Putze, are you here? | 14:18 |
| spliffy | does someone know him? how is his irc name? he wrote a nice pdf guide on development on sailfish os in january | 14:19 |
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| spliffy | i'm still looking for developer resources apart from source code :-/ | 14:20 |
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| spliffy | can you point me to any? | 14:23 |
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| coderus | artemma: this is actually keepalive bug | 14:27 |
| coderus | i dont fully understand how it working | 14:28 |
| artemma | coderus: you mean mitakuulu's? | 14:28 |
| coderus | artemma: yes | 14:28 |
| artemma | hmm, mayeb I upgraded mitakuuluu at the same time when upgraded device | 14:28 |
| coderus | in mitakuuluu after 0.7.7 i added keepalive for keeping conenction up | 14:29 |
| coderus | and after frequent reconnection my keepalive going mad | 14:29 |
| artemma | so maybe just got better mitakuuluu | 14:29 |
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| artemma | going in-out of elevator was generating problems quite reliably | 14:29 |
| coderus | it still have bug, but less reproduceable | 14:29 |
| coderus | i'm trying to fix that for future release | 14:30 |
| coderus | btw, obs build contains some fixies for that | 14:30 |
| coderus | you can install it | 14:30 |
| coderus | and tell me results | 14:30 |
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| MFaro-Tusino | Can anyone provide me the best way for building QtSystemInfo into my SF app? | 14:37 |
| coderus | MFaro-Tusino: what data you need? | 14:39 |
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| coderus | trying to build qtsystems | 14:45 |
| coderus | but it requires qt5-qtqml-devel and qt5-qtqml-qtquick-devel | 14:46 |
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| MFaro-Tusino | coderus: BatteryInfo, StorageInfo, DeviceInfo, DisplayInfo, NetworkInfo | 14:48 |
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| nidelius_ | Is there any way to debug why an android app is not starting correctly? | 15:46 |
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| smoku_ | coderus: is there a lot of work involved to adapt qt-creator generated app, to be buildable also on OBS? | 15:47 |
| nidelius_ | I currently get the following when trying to start "Asana Mobile" Unfortunately (any app) has stopped | 15:47 |
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| tortoisedoc | smoku_ : out of the deepness of my ignorance - qmake via command line should be ok? | 15:57 |
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| coderus | smoku_: you should add every build requires. check last commits: https://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu2/commits/master | 16:09 |
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| coderus | thats enough | 16:10 |
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| tortoisedoc | coderus : what's the benefit of having it on OBS? | 16:32 |
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| coderus | tortoisedoc: automatic build after pushing new tag in git :) | 16:40 |
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| smoku_ | coderus: and I will need to keep in-source and OBS .spec in sync, or is there a way to tell OBS to pick .spec from source? | 16:48 |
| tortoisedoc | coderus : kewl :) | 16:48 |
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| coderus | smoku_: afaik no | 16:59 |
| coderus | everything should work automatically | 16:59 |
| SK_work | smoku_: yuo put your spec inside a rpm subfolder in git tree | 16:59 |
| SK_work | and you tell webhook which one to build aand magic | 17:00 |
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| smoku_ | any docs for this webhook? | 17:38 |
| tortoisedoc | coderus : can I use a SmoothedAnimation in a transition? | 17:39 |
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| coderus | tortoisedoc: why not ? | 18:11 |
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| tortoisedoc | hmm | 18:36 |
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| alin | hi is there any way in silica to force the keyboard when i type in a textfield to start in the numeric mode? | 19:30 |
| ln- | there is | 19:30 |
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| alin | good.... causied this... inputMethodHints: Qt.ImhPreferNumberse i tr | 19:30 |
| alin | cause I tried this | 19:31 |
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| ln- | alin: https://github.com/amarchen/helloworld-pro-sailfish/commit/feb88f421a4e2ceaa90672cf49e141d0ba23e5be | 19:33 |
| alin | ln-: let me try I need both numbers and letters... i want only the keyboard to start in the number mode.... | 19:34 |
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| ln- | oh, i'm not sure about that | 19:35 |
| alin | ln-: maybe i can use the onclick to set the keyboard on the desired mode... | 19:36 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | Morpog_PC__: ping ? | 19:48 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I'm searching for yet another icon, this time for phonebot | 19:49 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I'm thinking of HAL 3000's eye :D | 19:49 |
| tbr | 9000 | 19:49 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | oh dear | 19:50 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | 9000 | 19:50 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :/ | 19:50 |
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| tortoisedoc | gnite! | 20:21 |
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| coderus | gnem! | 20:26 |
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| M4rtinK | any idea what applicationClass for org.nemomobile.policy is supposed to have ? :) | 21:29 |
| M4rtinK | is it just a "feel good" free form string or does it have a deeper meaning ? | 21:30 |
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| M4rtinK | ok, looks like it just needs to be set to "camera" | 22:18 |
| M4rtinK | so modRana is mow also a camera :) | 22:18 |
| alin | M4rtinK: cool... you are the modrana Martin... | 22:23 |
| M4rtinK | alin: yeah :) | 22:23 |
| alin | M4rtinK: did you think about writing a setup.py script for modRana | 22:24 |
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| alin | M4rtinK: will make your packaging easier https://docs.python.org/2/distutils/setupscript.html | 22:24 |
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| M4rtinK | alin: I actually already have it :) | 22:28 |
| M4rtinK | alin: https://github.com/M4rtinK/modrana-packaging/blob/master/modrana/setup.py | 22:29 |
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| M4rtinK | the modRana packaging scripts are in a separate repository, which might be a bit confusing | 22:29 |
| M4rtinK | I guess I should add a note about this to the README in the main modRana repo | 22:29 |
| alin | M4rtinK: yap they were | 22:29 |
| alin | M4rtinK: but why you put them separatly? | 22:30 |
| M4rtinK | less mess in the main repo :) | 22:30 |
| nidelius_ | Is there a way to debug the dalvik / androidapps? | 22:31 |
| artemma | nidelius_: I remember seeing logcat | 22:31 |
| artemma | logcat logs | 22:31 |
| M4rtinK | alin: there is quite a lot of stuff in the packaging repo due to how modRana supports packaging for many platforms | 22:31 |
| M4rtinK | alin: so a separate repo helps to keep the main repo cleaner | 22:31 |
| artemma | M4rtinK: git subtree maybe? | 22:32 |
| artemma | or submodule if you fancy it | 22:32 |
| alin | M4rtinK: but you can add only the setup.py in the proper repo | 22:32 |
| artemma | I use it in wikipedia to keep production keys separate from demo keys | 22:32 |
| alin | M4rtinK: specs and the rest matter little | 22:32 |
| M4rtinK | well, the current packaging workflow clones modRana from Git :) | 22:32 |
| artemma | ok | 22:32 |
| alin | M4rtinK: i see your script packages too | 22:33 |
| M4rtinK | well, you might not need to expand the submodules, but still :) | 22:33 |
| nidelius_ | artemma: ok, thanks for the hint will look into that. | 22:33 |
| nidelius_ | gnite | 22:34 |
| M4rtinK | also I want to keep the possibility of just cloning the modRana repo & running it without the need for a build | 22:35 |
| M4rtinK | so the less unrelated stuff is there, the better :) | 22:35 |
| M4rtinK | (there is a whole suit of custom distutils modules based on Khertans packaging work used for generating specs, debian packaging metadata, etc.) | 22:37 |
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| M4rtinK | so that's how it is & why :) | 22:38 |
| M4rtinK | on a related note I really should start to use git tags in the main repo when doing modRana builds :) | 22:40 |
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| cameris | does anyone know if/when sqlite will be updated to >3.8.3 in jolla? | 22:46 |
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| M4rtinK | BTW, I just got volume key zoom working in modRana@Jolla :) | 22:48 |
| M4rtinK | coderus: thanks a lot for the pointers ! :) | 22:48 |
| special | cameris: probably the next update. | 22:49 |
| cameris | yay! precious cte :) | 22:50 |
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| special | for reference, you can find this out by finding a package on github (nemomobile, nemomobile-packages, mer-packages), in this case https://github.com/mer-packages/sqlite | 22:51 |
| special | and then checking the branches and tags | 22:51 |
| special | which shows master is tagged as 3.8.5 | 22:51 |
| cameris | thx special. | 22:53 |
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