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| bhr | anybody know how to simulate multi touch in SailfishOS Emulator ? Is it possible? | 08:35 |
| Stskeeps | https://github.com/nemomobile/qt5-plugin-generic-vboxtouch is the source code for the plugin used for input | 08:36 |
| Stskeeps | so it requires virtualbox side stuff | 08:36 |
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| bhr | Stskeeps, thanks. i will try it | 08:50 |
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| zGrr | moin :) | 09:35 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | in 3g u9 is awesome | 11:31 |
| tortoisedoc_ | is switching to 4g recommendable ? :P | 11:31 |
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| cos- | can i has u10 today? | 11:32 |
| tortoisedoc_ | cos - : how about u11 ;) | 11:33 |
| cos- | was there 10 already? | 11:33 |
| Morpog_PC | yes, you need to opt-in int the opt-in u10-opt-in | 11:34 |
| coderus | be patient, u12 s under testing right now :D | 11:34 |
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| cos- | it's a but confusing but i'll wait until 1700 | 11:38 |
| cos- | jolla devs can't get to pub before release is out again? | 11:38 |
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| Morpog_PC | cos-, we made a joke | 11:38 |
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| cos- | i was wondering that if the connman issue is known and is quickly fixed, there could be u10 today | 11:40 |
| Morpog_PC | thats just a hotix for u9 | 11:40 |
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| alifakhruddin_ | heyy | 11:46 |
| coderus | hey sailors | 11:48 |
| coderus | what is period for voucher? | 11:48 |
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| Nicd- | coderus: it's valid to november 2nd | 11:49 |
| Nicd- | it says that in the mail | 11:49 |
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| coderus | Nicd-: ah, small text, great, thanks :D | 11:49 |
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| coderus | any info of using Vouncher in jolla.com.kz shop? | 12:04 |
| coderus | voucher* | 12:04 |
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| Morpog_PC | coderus, | 12:05 |
| Morpog_PC | Enter the discount code at checkout at shop.jolla.com. The offer is valid only in countries supported by the Jolla Online Shop: EU, Norway and Switzerland. Offer is valid until November 2, 2014 on Jolla smartphone purchases only. The offer cannot be used in conjunction with other offers. Be quick, the amount of participating devices is limited. The Other Half Aloe smart cover will be offered after the end of the campaign if your unique Jolla Gift | 12:05 |
| Morpog_PC | Voucher has been used during the campaign. | 12:05 |
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| r0kk3rz | :( on phone purchases only | 12:09 |
| r0kk3rz | i wanted some free nfc covers | 12:09 |
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| Nicd- | 100 € voucher on OH? so they'd pay you? :D | 12:10 |
| Morpog_PC | lol | 12:11 |
| r0kk3rz | they dont need to pay me as such, just send me free covers | 12:13 |
| r0kk3rz | they can keep the change on the free voucher | 12:13 |
| Morpog_PC | lets see if anyone uses my code :D | 12:13 |
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| r0kk3rz | some of my Fi friends might want a jolla i guess | 12:14 |
| coderus | Morpog_PC: sad then :( | 12:15 |
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| r0kk3rz | https://together.jolla.com/question/60441/release-notes-hotfix-for-opt-in-update9-version-11039/ | 12:27 |
| r0kk3rz | fix for uitukka | 12:27 |
| cos- | is it available automatically if uitukka is installed? | 12:29 |
| Aard | yes | 12:29 |
| cos- | ok, time to install | 12:29 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah i just installed it | 12:31 |
| Nokius | cos- yes | 12:31 |
| r0kk3rz | nice and quick compared to uitukka base update | 12:32 |
| r0kk3rz | but its only 6mb | 12:32 |
| cos- | beer'o'clock for sailors :-) | 12:32 |
| cos- | warehouse creator: please add "disable all repos"-button | 12:37 |
| simbrown | VDVsx: What's the best way to report a caldav sync issue, tjc or on github? | 12:37 |
| r0kk3rz | BasilSemuonov: ^^ | 12:37 |
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| BasilSemuonov | r0kk3rz, m? | 12:38 |
| r0kk3rz | what cos just said | 12:38 |
| cos- | BasilSemuonov: also disabling several repos at same time doesn't work.. only the first one is disabled | 12:38 |
| BasilSemuonov | why do you need to disable all repos button? | 12:39 |
| cos- | because repos have to be disabled during sailfish upgrade | 12:39 |
| VDVsx | simbrown, any is good | 12:39 |
| BasilSemuonov | cos-, sailfishos v1.0.4+ disable all 3rd party repos automatically. and re-enabled after update is completed | 12:40 |
| cos- | oh, ok | 12:41 |
| cos- | yes it's only for users running software version < 1.0.4.20 | 12:41 |
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| BasilSemuonov | cos-, regarding multiple taps on disable button - what warehouse version are you using? | 12:45 |
| cos- | "latest", ie i just updated it | 12:47 |
| cos- | disable one repo, and during the grace timer disable another. only the first one is really disabled. | 12:49 |
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| cos- | does anyone else have problem downloading the update? it starts ok, but after a while when i unlock the phone, the download has stopped without any error message | 12:56 |
| Morpog_PC | the hotfix or u9? | 12:56 |
| cos- | u9 | 12:58 |
| Morpog_PC | it's huge, it takes time | 12:58 |
| Morpog_PC | just wait | 12:58 |
| tbr | it took quite long. but there was an email, so probably thousands of people trying right now. | 12:58 |
| cos- | there is "progress bar" in the title picture, but it resets to zero | 12:58 |
| * tbr would guess the servers are getting hammered | 12:58 | |
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| * Aard gets tbr hammered | 13:00 | |
| * tigeli gets popcorn | 13:00 | |
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| tbr | Aard: is that an offer? :) | 13:03 |
| * kimmoli goes to post office to pick up some hydraulic components... | 13:03 | |
| BasilSemuonov | cos-, thats because single remorse item used, only last action performed. will remove that. | 13:03 |
| r0kk3rz | i think after this week the jolla team deserves to get hammered | 13:03 |
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| Aard | tbr: I have an almost full bottle of jack daniels in my office | 13:03 |
| tbr | "ew" nothing proper like Jura? :) | 13:04 |
| Aard | also one bottle of cognac and one of aquavit | 13:04 |
| kimmoli | JD is good for rust-removing | 13:04 |
| Aard | I have two different jura, and a few other proper ones. but they're not suitable for getting hammered :p | 13:05 |
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| tbr | point taken! | 13:05 |
| tbr | too preciousssss | 13:05 |
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| Aard | but now that I moved I can go back to extending the "proper" whisky collection. (anyone needs my address...?) | 13:06 |
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| r0kk3rz | which country aard? | 13:07 |
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| Aard | finland | 13:07 |
| tbr | let's see if I have more or less space after I move... | 13:08 |
| r0kk3rz | hmm bit far for me I think | 13:08 |
| Aard | tbr: planning on moving again? | 13:08 |
| tbr | Aard: well, job wise it looks like Helsinki or rather "metropolitan area" | 13:08 |
| Aard | tbr: my neighbours are preparing to sell their house... :p | 13:09 |
| tbr | I'm not sure I'm into buying property at the moment. | 13:09 |
| Aard | what's your current fetish then? | 13:09 |
| cos- | BasilSemuonov: yep.. wouldn't it be better if you just used checkboxes to enable/disable them? | 13:09 |
| r0kk3rz | if i wasnt summoned back to the uk for job interviews id probably be in sweden by now | 13:10 |
| cos- | ok i got uitukka downloaded. it seemed to help to use the phone while downloading. | 13:11 |
| tbr | Aard: for the moment probably going to rent something. Not sure if house or flat and if outside helsinki or somewhere in the city. | 13:11 |
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| daitheflu | hi guys, I've a question about data (re)loading | 14:14 |
| daitheflu | let's say I have a list of item, when I update one of the item, | 14:15 |
| daitheflu | is it better to 1. reload the whole list from the database (which costs 1 DB request + 1 loop + UI refreshing) | 14:16 |
| daitheflu | or 2. just make the change to the item, and re-compute what depends on all the items | 14:17 |
| daitheflu | I realize my explanation isn't clear at all :/ | 14:18 |
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| daitheflu | I think I'm going to sum up with : does it costs a lot to make a (simple) DB query and to repaint a ListView ? | 14:23 |
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| SK_work | daitheflu: 2. | 14:27 |
| SK_work | never reload stuff | 14:27 |
| SK_work | if you have a data model that is done well, you should be able to recompute easily | 14:27 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah write your own model type and let the listview sort itself out | 14:28 |
| daitheflu | SK_work: in my case that means reordering my model each time it changes, because I want to use sections (and reordering in javascript can be...well... you know ;) ) | 14:28 |
| SK_work | daitheflu: why no C++ model ? | 14:29 |
| daitheflu | SK_work: 'cause I don't know C++, I'm trying to learn it but | 14:29 |
| daitheflu | I lack time | 14:29 |
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| SK_work | daitheflu: what are yout rying to acieve ? | 14:30 |
| r0kk3rz | cpp isnt that hard if you already know js | 14:30 |
| SK_work | achieve ? (atm) | 14:30 |
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| daitheflu | it seems like I have to climb a huge moutain :) | 14:30 |
| SK_work | r0kk3rz: Oo | 14:30 |
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| daitheflu | r0kk3rz: actually I don't see the link between JS and C++ | 14:30 |
| r0kk3rz | unless you know nothing about programming | 14:31 |
| r0kk3rz | then i suppose you have a lot to learn | 14:31 |
| daitheflu | SK_work: I have a simple tasklist, each task can be either completed or not | 14:31 |
| SK_work | daitheflu: ha, so complete tasks get out of the list I guess ? | 14:31 |
| daitheflu | SK_work: I'm loading tasks from the LocalStorage and inserting them in a basic ListModel | 14:31 |
| SK_work | daitheflu: why not http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-4.8/qml-listmodel.html#move-method ? | 14:32 |
| daitheflu | SK_work: they would go in their section | 14:32 |
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| daitheflu | SK_work: is that compatible with ListView's section ? | 14:33 |
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| daitheflu | (http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-4.8/qml-listview.html#section.property-prop) | 14:34 |
| SK_work | daitheflu: use ListModel.set to change the property that is used for your section | 14:35 |
| daitheflu | SK_work: that's what I'm doing, but the model has to be ordered by section for sections to work properly | 14:36 |
| SK_work | daitheflu: set + move ? | 14:37 |
| SK_work | you can know (either by scanning, or "naturally", if you maintain some sort of index) where it will go | 14:37 |
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| daitheflu | SK_work: there is a small note at the end of the section-prop doc that explains it | 14:37 |
| daitheflu | SK_work: ok, my issue was to know if the computing of the new index would cost more than reloading the whole list or not :) | 14:38 |
| SK_work | ha | 14:38 |
| SK_work | think that computing takes CPU time | 14:38 |
| SK_work | ns | 14:38 |
| SK_work | (well, ok, RAM time) | 14:38 |
| SK_work | (ms) | 14:38 |
| SK_work | but loading from db (disk) might take much more time | 14:39 |
| SK_work | (maybe s ? if the disk is slow and the db big ?) | 14:39 |
| daitheflu | SK_work: OK, thanks a lot :) | 14:39 |
| SK_work | daitheflu: but if you are very intelligent, you should store the starting index of each category | 14:40 |
| SK_work | and update this starting number when moving your todos | 14:40 |
| SK_work | so, no need of "heavy computation" (if you go through 10000 items, that's bad) | 14:40 |
| SK_work | (well, I know a todolist don't have 10k items ;)) | 14:40 |
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| daitheflu | SK_work: that's what I wanted to avoid (looping through x items) | 14:41 |
| daitheflu | SK_work: some people can be very lazy :D | 14:41 |
| daitheflu | SK_work: but the idea of storing the sections index sounds promising, thank you ! | 14:42 |
| SK_work | daitheflu: well, if you don't want to loop, and don't want to be "intelligent" (or not lazy), please at least avoid unoptimal implems :) | 14:42 |
| SK_work | reloading _is_ the worst case scenario, just never do it | 14:42 |
| SK_work | :) | 14:42 |
| daitheflu | allright, for now I'm just updating the model and I wiped the sections, but I really want them back | 14:43 |
| daitheflu | you'll get some credits and some beverage if we meet someday | 14:43 |
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| SK_work | daitheflu: http://www.eecs.berkeley.edu/~rcs/research/interactive_latency.html | 14:45 |
| SK_work | daitheflu: getting sections back isn't _that_ hard | 14:45 |
| SK_work | either if you do some nice tricks (keep starting index ?) or lazy stuff (iterate over the whole list) it is enough | 14:46 |
| SK_work | you can even start by iterating, before finding an intelligent algorithm | 14:46 |
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| daitheflu | SK_work: wow, nice resource, thanks :) | 14:49 |
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| SK_work | daitheflu: I like this graph | 14:51 |
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| r0kk3rz | yeah im doing a lot of database heavy work that I should really do better | 14:54 |
| r0kk3rz | but is all a work in progress | 14:54 |
| daitheflu | r0kk3rz: what are you building ? | 14:56 |
| r0kk3rz | music player | 14:56 |
| r0kk3rz | SirenSong, current release is on openrepos | 14:57 |
| r0kk3rz | library menus are very database heavy, which leads to a little bit of a jerky UI | 14:57 |
| SK_work | r0kk3rz: indeed | 14:58 |
| daitheflu | r0kk3rz: oh yep, I saw it a few days ago, congrats ! | 14:58 |
| SK_work | db management is really hard | 14:58 |
| SK_work | I ended up writing a multithreaded task graph to have the queries be done without freezing ui | 14:58 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah | 14:59 |
| r0kk3rz | im probably going to have to pre-query the submenus instead of querying on create | 14:59 |
| r0kk3rz | not impossible to manage | 14:59 |
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| r0kk3rz | trade IO database heavy for increased memory usage | 15:00 |
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| SK_work | r0kk3rz: doing only QML or C++ ? | 15:03 |
| SK_work | if C++, you can do better | 15:03 |
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| r0kk3rz | the UI is qml only atm | 15:04 |
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| r0kk3rz | but theres plenty of cpp going on for the actual music playing functions | 15:05 |
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| r0kk3rz | i know i can do better, but for now its functional enough | 15:06 |
| r0kk3rz | sparql queries are pretty quick | 15:07 |
| daitheflu | r0kk3rz: it's all about the priorities :) | 15:07 |
| r0kk3rz | its just how I work, do some new features, then revisit the old ones and improve | 15:08 |
| r0kk3rz | particularly since im learning everything as I go along | 15:11 |
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| lbt | PSA sailfishos:1.1.0.38 is now available on Mer OBS as a target. I won't make it the sailfishos:latest as it's an opt-in release | 15:14 |
| tbr | \o/ | 15:15 |
| coderus | lbt: 1.1.0.39 is opt-in too? | 15:15 |
| Yaniel | just a quick fix to u9 so why not | 15:16 |
| Yaniel | or do you mean separate opt-in | 15:16 |
| r0kk3rz | coderus: same opt in as uitukka | 15:16 |
| coderus | i mean 1.1.0.39 is not available without opt-in? | 15:16 |
| r0kk3rz | its available if you opted into uitukka, but not if you didnt | 15:17 |
| r0kk3rz | as its a hotfix for uitukka, not much use to those on tahkalampi | 15:17 |
| lbt | it won't affect builds as it's basically just a connman tweak | 15:17 |
| lbt | chum done too | 15:18 |
| lbt | now I'm going to beat my head against a brick wall to relax after playing with iptables | 15:18 |
| stephg | s/iptables/mongo/ and I'm with you | 15:19 |
| lbt | :) | 15:19 |
| stephg | is it beertiem yet? | 15:19 |
| tbr | uuh iptables is "fun", indeed | 15:19 |
| r0kk3rz | depends on how complicated you're making it | 15:19 |
| lbt | I need to mix iptables,ebtables,macvtap i/fs, bridges and VMs ... with NAT ... complicated enough ? | 15:20 |
| r0kk3rz | ive done NAT stuff before with vpns | 15:20 |
| r0kk3rz | but that sounds like a whole other level | 15:21 |
| lbt | although I never knew macdonalds did tap interfaces ... | 15:21 |
| lbt | truthfully it's not that complex | 15:21 |
| lbt | standard i/f and then a bridge made up of 2 VM vnet i/f s | 15:21 |
| lbt | and route between them -- all fine | 15:22 |
| lbt | but if you DNAT it fails | 15:22 |
| lbt | but anyhow ... more later; I need a rest | 15:22 |
| lbt | o/ | 15:22 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah its friday | 15:22 |
| daitheflu | gotta go, @ SK_work and r0kk3rz : thank for your help, support and for listening :) | 15:22 |
| r0kk3rz | beer o clock | 15:22 |
| daitheflu | have a nice w/e ! | 15:22 |
| SK_work | daitheflu: bye | 15:22 |
| * stephg has happy memories of happymeal interfaces but that's another stort | 15:23 | |
| stephg | story | 15:23 |
| stephg | bbl | 15:23 |
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| Nightmare__ | is it possible to ask the user for devicelock code before continueing inside my own app? (just like inside devsettings when you change ssh since last update) | 15:48 |
| Yaniel | for user authentication? | 15:48 |
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| Nightmare__ | yes | 15:52 |
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| Nightmare__ | i'm thinking about something like this: onClick(var access=SystemCallAskForLockCode(); if(access===true){do something restricted}else{cancel action}) | 15:59 |
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| Yaniel | would be nice to have an api for that yes | 16:00 |
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| kimmoli | like this? https://github.com/sailfishos/sailfish-utilities/blob/master/qml/MainPage.qml#L58 | 16:34 |
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| Yaniel | exactly | 16:46 |
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| SK_work | beware: nemo QML plugins used | 16:51 |
| SK_work | need to either use resources system to hide them, or not to use harbour | 16:51 |
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| walokra | do you have noticed typeError on DialogHeader regarding forwardIndicatorDown with Uitukka? | 17:21 |
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| kimmoli | yep... | 17:26 |
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| satmd | how hard is it to replace the display of the jolla? | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | well, you don't just replace display, you replace touchscreen etc too isn't it | 17:43 |
| Stskeeps | it's not a job i personally would want to do | 17:43 |
| satmd | so what's the easiest way to get it replaced? | 17:44 |
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| Stskeeps | care, i guess, but it costs | 17:45 |
| satmd | well, buying a new one costs too *sigh* | 17:45 |
| satmd | but then I have a replacement battery | 17:46 |
| satmd | hmm | 17:46 |
| * satmd installed the spiderman app | 17:46 | |
| satmd | but then I could use it for testing the new update | 17:47 |
| satmd | :) | 17:47 |
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| Stskeeps | what broke with it, ooi? | 17:53 |
| Yaniel | interest as in "ways a jolla can break" | 17:53 |
| satmd | cat threw it off a box | 17:54 |
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| walokra | how much is the screen change? with the 100e coupon to jolla store a new jolla isn't so expensive anymore :) | 17:56 |
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| satmd | coupon? | 17:56 |
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| locusf | the discount gift code which some (all?) Jolla owners received | 18:03 |
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| Nokius | Is there any reason why the Sailfish utility app is not in "essential apps from Jolla" ? | 18:12 |
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| satmd | oh, and while the display does not crumble out of the frame | 18:14 |
| satmd | the shards are extremely dangerous | 18:14 |
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| * satmd eagerly waits for the update notification | 18:29 | |
| coderus | can i use three coupons at the same time, please? :) | 18:30 |
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| satmd | :D | 18:30 |
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| Nokius | ^^ | 18:35 |
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| kimmoli | coderus: :) | 18:38 |
| kimmoli | i have 10 codes from twitter, will Jolla pay me the difference? | 18:38 |
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| HBP_ | :D | 19:15 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | stephg: sorry, I got disc today | 19:35 |
| tortoisedoc_ | stephg : to contnue the discussion, so in order to get the version (as a developer) I will first need to develope a class to fetch the info from the particular file, correct? | 19:35 |
| coderus | please? or two at least? or can you please send coupons for jolla.com.kz discount? | 19:36 |
| coderus | my girlfriend want Jolla a lot, but it can't be legally shipped from EU to Russia, and i have no discount at jolla kz store... | 19:36 |
| Nokius | wondering if jolla.com.kz is Jollo Ltd guess its a other company | 19:38 |
| tortoisedoc_ | coderus : I can rebound for you if you want | 19:40 |
| tortoisedoc_ | i.e. ship to me, I fwd to you via normal mail | 19:40 |
| tortoisedoc_ | (as private shipping) | 19:40 |
| coderus | tortoisedoc_: i'm talking about normal shipping, yes | 19:41 |
| coderus | its not allowed | 19:41 |
| tortoisedoc_ | hmm | 19:41 |
| coderus | as not registeres in russian fsb | 19:41 |
| tortoisedoc_ | you mean *all* shippings from eu to russia are blocked? | 19:41 |
| coderus | only couriers can deliver this | 19:41 |
| coderus | tortoisedoc_: i mean all shippings of unregistered devices are blocked :) | 19:41 |
| tortoisedoc_ | I can use courier as well :P | 19:42 |
| tortoisedoc_ | aaah | 19:42 |
| coderus | devices cant pass customs | 19:42 |
| tortoisedoc_ | ok now i understand | 19:42 |
| tortoisedoc_ | fsb registers all devices in russia | 19:42 |
| coderus | my developer device was delivered to russia by private person | 19:42 |
| tortoisedoc_ | order from China? | 19:42 |
| coderus | and THEN shipped in russia via local post services | 19:42 |
| coderus | tortoisedoc_: china doesnt matter | 19:43 |
| tortoisedoc_ | yes I see | 19:43 |
| tortoisedoc_ | hmm | 19:43 |
| * tortoisedoc_ pondering if he would know someone travelling to russia soon | 19:43 | |
| tortoisedoc_ | noone comes to mind :| | 19:44 |
| tortoisedoc_ | sorry :/ | 19:44 |
| coderus | kazakhstan have no customs with russia and all goods can be transferred without problems, thats why i'm asking about jolla.com.kz shop | 19:44 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | coderus : aah | 19:44 |
| tortoisedoc_ | strange that the bonus code works only in eu | 19:44 |
| coderus | yep :( | 19:45 |
| r0kk3rz | coderus, excuse to travel to fi? | 19:45 |
| Nokius | coderus: will check if some friends plan to flight to Russia in the next weeks | 19:45 |
| tortoisedoc_ | or to kazakhstan? | 19:45 |
| cvp_ | no friends in EU ? :) | 19:45 |
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| coderus | r0kk3rz: planning, but: | 19:46 |
| coderus | i really need invite from someone to Fi to make a visa | 19:46 |
| r0kk3rz | is it hard for russians to get into finland? | 19:47 |
| coderus | Nokius: yes, thats the best option | 19:47 |
| coderus | cvp_: ^ | 19:47 |
| r0kk3rz | there were heaps of russians in helsinki when i was there | 19:47 |
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| coderus | tortoisedoc_: better travel to fi than kazakhstan (Almata), believe me :D | 19:47 |
| r0kk3rz | im lucky because everyone likes australians, so i can pretty much walk in anywhere | 19:47 |
| coderus | r0kk3rz: well, i dont want to travel *for three days free* in fi :) | 19:47 |
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| coderus | r0kk3rz: or other option is to pay for travel services, buy tour and etc., too expensive | 19:49 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah i never did any tours | 19:49 |
| r0kk3rz | probably should have | 19:50 |
| cvp_ | from germany to russland cost with dhl 18-30€ | 19:50 |
| coderus | r0kk3rz: if you wanna visit some bears, drink vodka and play balalaika - welcome :D | 19:50 |
| coderus | r0kk3rz: i can invite you and give free riim for nights :) | 19:50 |
| r0kk3rz | that sounds like a good time, except i would get smashed off vodka | 19:51 |
| coderus | free room* | 19:51 |
| r0kk3rz | not that its a bad thing | 19:51 |
| coderus | r0kk3rz: not if it will be in complex with russian bath (sauna) | 19:51 |
| Yaniel | everything is better with sauna | 19:52 |
| coderus | :D | 19:52 |
| Yaniel | except diarrhea, I guess | 19:52 |
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| coderus | :D | 19:52 |
| oh8gnz_ | actually not everything | 19:52 |
| oh8gnz_ | don't leave cold beer to sauna | 19:52 |
| Nokius | coderus: ping is out lets see | 19:52 |
| r0kk3rz | i did the whole finnish sauna thing in tampere | 19:53 |
| r0kk3rz | it was awesome | 19:53 |
| coderus | Nokius: thanks | 19:53 |
| r0kk3rz | at some lake cottage of some dudes that I met | 19:53 |
| oh8gnz_ | first cold vodka outside sauna? then beer in sauna? then another vodka shot.. maybe another.. and for the end of the evening some nice women in sauna? | 19:53 |
| r0kk3rz | what part of russia are you from coderus? its a big place | 19:54 |
| tortoisedoc_ | also farts do not get better with sauna :P | 19:55 |
| r0kk3rz | haha | 19:55 |
| Nokius | Moscow | 19:55 |
| Nokius | iirc | 19:56 |
| tortoisedoc_ | grrr | 19:56 |
| tortoisedoc_ | crappy qt c++ | 19:56 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | i have following struct | 19:56 |
| tortoisedoc_ | http://pastebin.com/UJfMzigF | 19:57 |
| tortoisedoc_ | how to forward declare it? | 19:57 |
| tortoisedoc_ | It seems to be impossible ;_; | 19:57 |
| tortoisedoc_ | or maybe | 19:57 |
| tortoisedoc_ | I just need more alcohol :P | 19:57 |
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| Acce | why typedef? it's c++ | 19:58 |
| tortoisedoc_ | Acce : i am not the author | 19:58 |
| Acce | struct name { blah blah }; should do it? | 19:58 |
| tortoisedoc_ | its part of a library | 19:58 |
| Acce | oh | 19:58 |
| tortoisedoc_ | but I need to fw declare it in my project | 19:58 |
| tortoisedoc_ | and am failing epically | 19:58 |
| tortoisedoc_ | i found some answers | 19:59 |
| tortoisedoc_ | like | 19:59 |
| tortoisedoc_ | typedef vec3 vec3; should do | 19:59 |
| tortoisedoc_ | but no | 19:59 |
| tortoisedoc_ | erm | 19:59 |
| tortoisedoc_ | typedef struct vec3 vec3 | 19:59 |
| Acce | uhh.. doesn't sound too fun | 19:59 |
| coderus | why fw declare? | 20:00 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | coderus : trying to avoid chain includes of .h | 20:00 |
| tortoisedoc_ | hmm | 20:01 |
| tortoisedoc_ | maybe | 20:01 |
| tortoisedoc_ | the fact that the library is compiled in c | 20:01 |
| tortoisedoc_ | and the header library has declarations for c | 20:01 |
| tortoisedoc_ | is causing some problems to the c++ compiler on my side.. | 20:02 |
| coderus | tortoisedoc_: is it unnamed struct or you just pasted it bad? | 20:04 |
| tortoisedoc_ | it is | 20:04 |
| tortoisedoc_ | unnamed | 20:04 |
| tortoisedoc_ | how can i copy bad xD | 20:04 |
| coderus | you cant | 20:04 |
| coderus | can only declare named structs | 20:04 |
| coderus | sorry :( | 20:04 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | coderus : thanks | 20:06 |
| tortoisedoc_ | makes sense | 20:06 |
| tortoisedoc_ | :/ | 20:06 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | hmm | 20:10 |
| tortoisedoc_ | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7256436/forward-declarations-of-unnamed-struct | 20:10 |
| tortoisedoc_ | a bit unorthodox but heh | 20:10 |
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| kimmoli | javascript new Date() ... works when started as su - nemo , but not otherways | 20:30 |
| kimmoli | then the Date("date here according to RFC3339") works | 20:30 |
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| phaeron | probably locale related ? | 20:32 |
| kimmoli | 2014-10-24T23:50:00+0300 works | 20:32 |
| kimmoli | in both. | 20:33 |
| kimmoli | October 24 2014, 23:50:00 fails without su - nemo -c... | 20:33 |
| kimmoli | phaeron: yes mybe | 20:33 |
| kimmoli | this started after uitukka | 20:33 |
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| Nokius | gn | 20:46 |
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| Sailor2400 | SK_work: the journalctl only shows console.warn | 22:11 |
| Sailor2400 | but other like console.log, console. time not appear | 22:11 |
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| chem|st | now I feel like installing a full blown debian on my jolla... just read SuSE-based ".rpm" | 22:26 |
| M4rtinK | chem|st: someone needs to port Docker to run on Sailfish OS :) | 22:27 |
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| chem|st | M4rtinK: the people on sfos website need to check their sources... | 22:32 |
| M4rtinK | another documentation error ? :) | 22:32 |
| chem|st | and why the heck does the sdk installer require vb? there are other tools to run a vm | 22:32 |
| M4rtinK | AFAIK VB is the only one that is cross platform | 22:33 |
| chem|st | M4rtinK: that 'SuSE-based ".rpm"' is from the devel doku | 22:33 |
| M4rtinK | on the other hand I would also prefer KVM | 22:33 |
| M4rtinK | how is that wrong ? :) | 22:33 |
| M4rtinK | OpenSUSE uses RPM | 22:33 |
| M4rtinK | (not that I actually need the SDK & its VM as I'm using Python and when I need to build something I'll use OBS :) ) | 22:34 |
| chem|st | SuSE based? RPM Package Manager used to be Red hat Package Manager when I grew up... | 22:35 |
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| M4rtinK | the might mean that it has some Suse specific tweaks ? | 22:36 |
| M4rtinK | for example SuSE has already had soft dependencies for some time | 22:37 |
| M4rtinK | but they were added to "official" rpm.org RPM release only in 4.12, which was released this September | 22:37 |
| chem|st | and that is why I do not like to be outside of my debian world! | 22:38 |
| M4rtinK | but I think that what they want to say is | 22:39 |
| chem|st | ok understood | 22:39 |
| M4rtinK | that the "Sailfish OS is based on OpenSuSE (__so it uses RPM__)." | 22:39 |
| M4rtinK | still an unfortunate formulation to be sure | 22:39 |
| M4rtinK | also as far as I can say, the OpenSuSE packaging is usually quite a mess | 22:40 |
| M4rtinK | I understand the convenience in pulling stuff directly from their OBS | 22:40 |
| chem|st | rpm is a mess, everyone uses its own version | 22:41 |
| M4rtinK | but I sometimes wish they rather based it on Fedora :) | 22:41 |
| M4rtinK | actually no | 22:41 |
| M4rtinK | at least according to Wikipedia the rpm.org based RPM is used by about everybody | 22:41 |
| M4rtinK | but you are right that different distros might have their own frontend | 22:42 |
| M4rtinK | as there is no such strong apt == dpkg relation like on Debian | 22:43 |
| chem|st | based on and using the same is a difference | 22:43 |
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| M4rtinK | I don't think there is much of a difference in practice | 22:43 |
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| M4rtinK | maybe only the soft dependencies in SuSE, will have to ask someone how they did it | 22:44 |
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| M4rtinK | still, I rather like RPM more than deb these days | 22:44 |
| chem|st | I bet Eflop was sitting in his office laughing when signing the contract for meego "the change to rpm will kill them on its own - I be done with it" | 22:44 |
| M4rtinK | well, RPM is part of the LSB :) | 22:45 |
| M4rtinK | (not that many bother with comforming to LSB... :P) | 22:45 |
| M4rtinK | I like the spec + tarball workflow more than the deb one (lots of files) | 22:46 |
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| M4rtinK | there are various helper tools, but still | 22:47 |
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| chem|st | no doubt there needs to be some improvement on the .deb side | 22:49 |
| M4rtinK | I get the feeling that nothing really happens in the dpkg/apt land | 22:50 |
| M4rtinK | sure, it already supports about everything, but still | 22:50 |
| chem|st | I met one of the packagekit developers a few weeks back - hand had a discussion about what has what and what to chose over what... | 22:50 |
| M4rtinK | compared to all the activity in RPM land | 22:50 |
| chem|st | debian land is running a whole other world atm | 22:51 |
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| M4rtinK | we are for example replacing YUM with the libsolv based & sane codebase having DNF in Fedora for the next release | 22:51 |
| chem|st | going xwayland, systemd and xfce... | 22:52 |
| M4rtinK | well, that is kinda the Debian philosophy, right ? | 22:52 |
| M4rtinK | using tested & stable stuff | 22:52 |
| chem|st | have you ever met Sid? | 22:53 |
| M4rtinK | it is not easy being always on the bleeding edge | 22:53 |
| chem|st | there is a reason why they call it Sid | 22:53 |
| M4rtinK | it is all Toy Story characters, right ? | 22:54 |
| chem|st | yes | 22:55 |
| chem|st | Sid is the child blowing toys up | 22:55 |
| M4rtinK | makes sense :) | 22:55 |
| chem|st | branch name never changes^^ | 22:55 |
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| chem|st | I was wondering about the upcoming freeze of testing the other day and thought it might feel like Jolla's summer vacation^^ | 22:56 |
| M4rtinK | oh, so that would be the same as the the Fedora "master" branch, which is called "rawhide" | 22:57 |
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| M4rtinK | all package updates go directly to rawhide without any special QA :) | 22:58 |
| M4rtinK | and there are still some people hardcore enough to use it as their main distro :) | 22:58 |
| chem|st | iirc there is stuff in sid that will probably never make it to testing... as it is keeping to blow up things | 22:59 |
| M4rtinK | hmm, I kinda remeber something about some sort of general resolution that might delay things | 22:59 |
| chem|st | my sister started of slackware... | 22:59 |
| _miqu_ | A dude sitting in Sid here :) | 22:59 |
| _miqu_ | crossed my fingers while writing that that nothing blows up | 23:00 |
| chem|st | _miqu_: just updated and was wondering why my system is still running... | 23:00 |
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| M4rtinK | two of my colleagues in the Fedora/RHEL installer team wrote a book about Slackware long looong time ago :) | 23:00 |
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| M4rtinK | well, new fedora releases are just branched from rawhide and I don't think we revert stuff in the process :) | 23:01 |
| chem|st | installed xwayland and just for fun started it up... thought to myself "well that will be a fun hour...." - nothing happened it just worked... | 23:01 |
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| M4rtinK | boooring :D | 23:01 |
| chem|st | same with transfer to systemd | 23:02 |
| M4rtinK | early adopters did the heavy lifting I guess :) | 23:02 |
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| _miqu_ | Yeah, I have been running on SystemD for a while now there were some bugs in the beginning I remember. Some services didnt come up. Though funny to see what happens with uselessD | 23:03 |
| M4rtinK | but don't worry, there will be edge-cases | 23:03 |
| M4rtinK | there always are | 23:03 |
| chem|st | _miqu_: uselessD made my minidlna run against an imaginery wall^^ | 23:04 |
| M4rtinK | _miqu_: at least they do something, unlike all others that are just trolling and don't contribute at all | 23:04 |
| chem|st | M4rtinK: caught me, systemd had its edges | 23:04 |
| M4rtinK | I really like the journald integration | 23:05 |
| chem|st | but in general it was working fine, if you consider fine as you get at least a console when booting | 23:05 |
| M4rtinK | journalctl -u <unit name> -> BAM, magic! :) | 23:05 |
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| _miqu_ | Yeah that is so true. The time spent on arguing who is to blame or stupid is usually going to waste and the time spent trying to find new solutions is what should be focused on. | 23:06 |
| M4rtinK | even better with -b (last boot only) | 23:06 |
| chem|st | as we speak of it, where is bash_completion in sailfish? | 23:06 |
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| M4rtinK | let's see | 23:08 |
| M4rtinK | zypper search bash | 23:08 |
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| chem|st | what repo? | 23:08 |
| M4rtinK | well I just typed that so I guess all of them ? | 23:10 |
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| M4rtinK | looks like NielDK has it in his OR repo | 23:11 |
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| M4rtinK | and apparently I have it installed already | 23:11 |
| M4rtinK | I don't have his bash, so it means that it can be used by the default outdated bash | 23:12 |
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| chem|st | nope that totally hangs my completion | 23:28 |
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