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ulvus | Morning | 06:54 |
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K4-t | Hey | 07:40 |
ulvus | Hi K4-t | 07:40 |
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K4-t | How are you | 07:50 |
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gogeta | hi guys | 09:34 |
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stephg | morning | 09:49 |
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r0kk3rz | has anyone packaged ncurses and screen for sailfish? | 10:47 |
tbr | checked mer-tools yet? | 10:48 |
tbr | as I run screen on mine | 10:48 |
tbr | ssu er mer-tools && pkcon refresh | 10:49 |
r0kk3rz | cool thanks | 10:49 |
r0kk3rz | i figured screen must be available somewhere, its a pretty useful thing | 10:49 |
r0kk3rz | tbr whats the best way to get things added into mer-tools? | 10:51 |
tbr | r0kk3rz: ask lbt or Stskeeps, probably on #mer | 10:51 |
tbr | note that this is for #essentialtools | 10:51 |
r0kk3rz | oh ok, perhaps rtorrent doesnt really come under 'essential' tools | 10:52 |
r0kk3rz | libtorrent maybe | 10:52 |
ulvus | Hi | 10:54 |
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Yaniel | hi | 10:56 |
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ulvus | Hi how goes | 11:02 |
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tbr | r0kk3rz: for that I'd suggest OBS and submission to FOO | 11:04 |
tbr | err, s/FOO/Chum | 11:04 |
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r0kk3rz | must find out how to set chum repository up on my phone | 11:08 |
Yaniel | nothing special, basic saturday here | 11:09 |
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r0kk3rz | also find out what work is expected to get stuff added to it | 11:09 |
Yaniel | r0kk3rz: the former is easy, ssu ar chum whatever.url.it.was/:on/:tjc | 11:10 |
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tbr | r0kk3rz: a clean packaging, built on OBS | 11:10 |
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M4rtinK | https://together.jolla.com/question/60898/bug-keyboard-feedback-sounds-heard-when-zooming-in-some-apps/?answer=69476#post-id-69476 | 11:52 |
M4rtinK | ^^ oops! :P | 11:53 |
M4rtinK | well, still better than how some early android build piped everything written on the keyboard to a root terminal by mistake :) | 11:53 |
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cos- | hmm... i'm getting error for sending MMS and ordering settings via SMS does nothing | 12:15 |
cos- | should it work? | 12:16 |
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Stskeeps | u8? u9? | 12:17 |
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cos- | u9 (the opt-in) | 12:17 |
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cos- | telefinland subscription | 12:18 |
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anandrkris | Hi folks - Regarding n/w pop-up issue (reported as annoying by many) where system keeps prompting for network connection | 12:20 |
anandrkris | Have one suggestion to handle it neatly, IMO | 12:21 |
Stskeeps | mm? | 12:22 |
anandrkris | Make it a non-intrusive one | 12:22 |
Stskeeps | cos-: hmm, contact mms-debug eprhaps | 12:22 |
anandrkris | https://together.jolla.com/question/53124/option-to-disable-the-select-internet-connection-popup/?answer=66444#post-id-66444 | 12:22 |
anandrkris | for your consideration :-) | 12:23 |
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cos- | Stskeeps: mms-debug@jolla.com? | 12:24 |
Toxip | is it possible to make flickable to "snap one item" like on a list view? | 12:24 |
cos- | i'll try again on monday and contact them if it's still broken | 12:25 |
Stskeeps | https://together.jolla.com/question/38555/mms-issues-hints-for-debugging-and-helping-us-to-improve/ | 12:25 |
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anYc | is carddav working for anyone with owncloud? | 14:05 |
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anYc | does anyone know where I can find the config for buteo or specifically buteo-sync-plugin-carddav | 15:22 |
anYc | ? | 15:22 |
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* anYc hopes [gd]conf is not the answer | 15:23 | |
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anYc | got it | 15:29 |
chem|st | anYc: be aware that every account has its own sync config | 15:30 |
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anYc | ok thanks | 16:19 |
anYc | the settings ui (especially the account settings) is closed I guess? | 16:19 |
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locusf | https://github.com/nemomobile/nemo-qml-plugin-systemsettings <- there is something like this though | 16:29 |
tbr | I thought there were a few (obviously not in harbour though) | 16:30 |
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Acce | Toxip: how about a gridview? | 16:33 |
anYc | locusf: thanks, saw that but didn't find something usefull | 16:34 |
anYc | useful | 16:34 |
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anYc | I think I found something fishy in buteo-sync-plugin-carddav. Now I only have to setup the SDK... | 16:35 |
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coderus | Toxip: flickable have no idea about your items, use ListView if you need snap | 16:57 |
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stephg | /me sits down after DIY, pizza dough rising, cracks open b33r | 18:34 |
stephg | oh ffs | 18:34 |
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* Stskeeps eats salad with feta.. | 18:35 | |
Stskeeps | :P | 18:35 |
stephg | very healthy of you ;) | 18:35 |
Stskeeps | considering how much time i'll spend at meritahti and sodexo next week, it seems like a good choice | 18:36 |
* stephg googles sodexo | 18:37 | |
Stskeeps | tld;r the local cafeteria at the jolla hq | 18:37 |
stephg | nyaha I see | 18:37 |
stephg | last trip before xmas? | 18:37 |
Stskeeps | i dearly hope so | 18:37 |
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xavibux_ | hi people | 18:38 |
stephg | hey xavibux_, are you xavinux evil alter-ego? | 18:40 |
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M4rtinK | I only know the Sodexo meal tickets :) | 18:44 |
zutto | the bebop at jolla hq used to be quite horrible back when nokia was at that building :l | 18:45 |
* zutto works at next building to jollas helsinki offices | 18:45 | |
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lbt | SK_work: https://github.com/sailfishos-patches/partnerspacemanager/pull/1 | 19:17 |
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* lbt likes having his home-automation stuff in the partner space | 19:17 | |
lbt | needs auto-launch on reboot though :/ | 19:18 |
stephg | lbt do you have a min for me to bother you again about the merproj gitlab api again? | 19:21 |
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lbt | sure | 19:22 |
stephg | (dunno if here or #mer is better but lets stay here as maybe more people will see) | 19:22 |
stephg | so I've got my token, and I'm able to query the api, but I'm getting empty json back | 19:22 |
lbt | sure ... just multitasking a bit | 19:22 |
stephg | kk | 19:23 |
stephg | according to TFM https://git.merproject.org/api/v3/projects/ should return 'everything' | 19:23 |
lbt | but not 404 ? | 19:23 |
lbt | mmm | 19:23 |
stephg | yes, not a 404, literally '[]' | 19:23 |
lbt | ok | 19:23 |
stephg | hm maybe I need to be following mer-core, for example | 19:24 |
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lbt | I have a feeling it returns 'your' projects | 19:25 |
stephg | yeah | 19:25 |
lbt | no: "Get a list of projects accessible by the authenticated user" | 19:26 |
lbt | http://doc.gitlab.com/ce/api/projects.html | 19:26 |
stephg | the auth is working as if I change a character in my token I get 401 unauth | 19:27 |
stephg | durr | 19:27 |
stephg | I probably should read the manual closer | 19:27 |
stephg | ... or not | 19:28 |
stephg | https://git.merproject.org/api/v3/projects/all returns 403 forbidden | 19:28 |
stephg | ah that's admin only | 19:28 |
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stephg | got it | 19:33 |
stephg | lbt: dunno if it's a perms thing or a bug but by the looks of it https://git.merproject.org/api/v3/groups should return the groups. for me it's empty | 19:34 |
lbt | what curl command are you using (less the token) | 19:35 |
stephg | however, for example https://git.merproject.org/api/v3/projects/search/cmake returns that object with a group id of 28 | 19:35 |
stephg | and querying https://git.merproject.org/api/v3/groups/28 returns everything I think | 19:35 |
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stephg | curl --header "PRIVATE-TOKEN: s33kr1t" https://git.merproject.org/api/v3/groups for example | 19:35 |
lbt | hmm | 19:37 |
lbt | fwiw I only get 'my' projects | 19:37 |
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gogeta | stephg, did you ever tried no-knead methods ? | 19:56 |
gogeta | for dough of cours | 19:56 |
gogeta | for dough of course | 19:56 |
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stephg | gogeta: never, first batch are in the oven now and my kitchen looks like a bunch of teenagers have been having a flour fight in there ;) | 20:05 |
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gogeta | is good thing | 20:07 |
gogeta | rouded pizzas or on a plate ? | 20:08 |
stephg | sort of italian style (i.e. thin) onto round pizza trays into the oven | 20:10 |
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* stephg appreciates that a napolitan pizza is different to more northern pizzas, these are more northern I guess) | 20:11 | |
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skeithc | Are there x86 SailFish OS builds similar to http://www.android-x86.org/ yet? It's also based on the linux-kernel right? | 20:16 |
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stephg | skeithc: sfos runs upon the linux kernel yes | 20:18 |
stephg | x86 builds of sfos is a more complex matter, but there an x86 target of the OS distributed with the sailfish sdk | 20:19 |
stephg | it's a VM | 20:20 |
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stephg | pizza, bbl | 20:20 |
skeithc | I see. Thanks. Lol. Enjoy your pizza. | 20:21 |
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gogeta | stephg, to create a napolitan is an art ... btw there are some tricks to do the same at home ... | 20:22 |
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javispedro | hm, the geoclue positioning provider will always generate a timeout event on jolla, and THEN maybe send the position :) | 20:51 |
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tbr | that sounds like a bug | 20:55 |
javispedro | it seems intentional though (TM) | 20:55 |
javispedro | ie it happens because geoclue changes providers and thus the provider would need to resubmit the request to geoclue | 20:56 |
javispedro | so it doesn't do this and calls a timeout, which the maps application and other positioning consumers just interpret as "meh. launch the request again." | 20:56 |
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stephg | lbt: if you're still here (not watching strictly ;) ) | 21:11 |
lbt | :) | 21:11 |
stephg | cloning qt from the mer git, prompted for a user/pass | 21:11 |
stephg | nothing else has as yet | 21:11 |
stephg | (pulling the lot down) | 21:11 |
lbt | hmm | 21:12 |
lbt | git command ? | 21:13 |
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stephg | just a git clone in a for loop | 21:13 |
stephg | sec | 21:13 |
stephg | http://pastie.org/9764984 | 21:13 |
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stephg | could well be me iterating through the loop | 21:14 |
stephg | just curious, not a problem | 21:14 |
lbt | I'd try again - yep, it could be a load thing | 21:15 |
stephg | ah ok (and apologies for cloning everything, tell me to stop if it's a problem, I am only doing them one-at-a-time) | 21:15 |
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lbt | it's fine - good time to do it too | 21:16 |
lbt | ty for not doing concurrent ones :) | 21:16 |
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stephg | hehe | 21:17 |
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WalterN | ooo shiny | 22:06 |
Stskeeps | much shiny | 22:06 |
WalterN | been passively following jolla and sailfish OS for a while now... saw the kickstarter and decided to go for it... because shiny | 22:07 |
WalterN | donno why I didnt think of it before now to look for an IRC channel that I knew would exist | 22:08 |
Stskeeps | we even have #jollamobile for more community chat | 22:08 |
WalterN | we? | 22:08 |
Stskeeps | well, jolla employees or jolla sailors as we call ourselves are quite well represented here on irc.. | 22:09 |
WalterN | its the first time I've seen an employee just announce that to somebody new in the channel | 22:10 |
Stskeeps | we're different | 22:10 |
Stskeeps | :P | 22:10 |
WalterN | bonus points in my book | 22:10 |
Stskeeps | https://together.jolla.com/question/39552/what-is-the-participation-and-contribution-policy-for-jollas-open-source-contributors-in-open-source-projects/ applies though | 22:10 |
Stskeeps | this is more official place while jollamobile is more community ish.. difference is that i speak more about beer over in #jollamobile | 22:11 |
Stskeeps | :P | 22:11 |
WalterN | gotcha :3 | 22:11 |
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WalterN | one thing I'm not quite clear on... microsoft buying nokia and firing half of everyone in nokia was kind of key in the upstart of jolla? | 22:13 |
Stskeeps | nah, your order is a bit wrong | 22:13 |
WalterN | correct it then, I'm just saying what I could best gather from the surface of the internet | 22:14 |
Stskeeps | it started on february 11 2011 where nokia announced a strategy change away from meego to windows phone; leading to a huge amount of employees and subcontractors getting fired from MeeGo project | 22:15 |
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WalterN | what happened to maemo? | 22:15 |
Stskeeps | maemo turned into meego, sorta | 22:15 |
Stskeeps | a bit further back | 22:15 |
WalterN | cause I have the N900 | 22:15 |
Stskeeps | so some of us gathered together to make something, believing in our work, gathered investors, started company, then hired a lot of very cool people that were suddenly available on the market | 22:15 |
WalterN | alright | 22:16 |
WalterN | thats how a lot of businesses start... heh | 22:16 |
Stskeeps | yeah | 22:16 |
Stskeeps | the startup culture post that in finland has been amazing | 22:17 |
WalterN | not that dissimilar to how mine started too | 22:17 |
Stskeeps | it's been a crazy story so far :) | 22:18 |
WalterN | Stskeeps: are you hardware, software, or some other support part in the company? | 22:18 |
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Stskeeps | i'm chief research engineer; i've done all sorts of things over time, ranging from assisting HR to reflashing devices in cold warehouses.. :P | 22:19 |
Stskeeps | so many CVs i've read through.. | 22:19 |
WalterN | CV? | 22:19 |
Stskeeps | resumes | 22:19 |
WalterN | oh | 22:19 |
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WalterN | hmm | 22:19 |
zutto | wait, jolla does things in poland too? O.o | 22:20 |
Stskeeps | zutto: no, i just work from home. distributed company | 22:20 |
zutto | i see | 22:20 |
WalterN | so you are keeping an eye on thread(s) about licensing exFAT? | 22:20 |
Stskeeps | i do read those | 22:21 |
Stskeeps | zutto: i hope one day to have other people and get a proper jolla poland but not just yet.. | 22:21 |
zutto | well there are alot of intresting hackers there | 22:21 |
zutto | wouldnt be too bad idea to have office there | 22:21 |
Stskeeps | there is, a lot of talents | 22:21 |
Stskeeps | WalterN: so what's your hopes for the tablet and for the months leading up to it? | 22:23 |
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WalterN | Stskeeps: *shrug*, for the tablet specifically I did a bunch of research on existing tablets just a bit before the kickstarter thing and didnt like any of them, for various different reasons | 22:28 |
WalterN | Stskeeps: mostly because of the software | 22:29 |
Stskeeps | nod | 22:30 |
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WalterN | there is a chance I'd have a cellphone already if I could get one here in USA | 22:33 |
WalterN | I saw mention of a J2 phone, I'll probably find a way to get that, if it uses GSM and sim card | 22:34 |
Stskeeps | yeah, nothing new on phone yet | 22:34 |
WalterN | is sailfish OS workable on the nokia N900? | 22:36 |
Stskeeps | not really | 22:36 |
WalterN | s/workable/usable | 22:36 |
Stskeeps | i tried once, not a happy experience | 22:36 |
gogeta | pity | 22:37 |
WalterN | because resistive touch screen? some hardware bottleneck? | 22:37 |
gogeta | Stskeeps, how to debug failed notification from android ? | 22:37 |
gogeta | http://pastebin.com/BYYwSuSW | 22:38 |
Stskeeps | gogeta: no idea | 22:39 |
Stskeeps | WalterN: 256mb ram. | 22:39 |
WalterN | and sailfishOS likes more ram? | 22:39 |
WalterN | I wonder if I could solder in more ram | 22:40 |
urjaman | short answer: not really | 22:42 |
M4rtinK | of course, it is possible - it might just be cheaper to build a new one instead :) | 22:42 |
urjaman | that was why that was a short answer... | 22:43 |
WalterN | probably easier to work a little harder for a week and just use that money to buy a jollaphone | 22:43 |
M4rtinK | pretty much :) | 22:43 |
WalterN | yay for consumerism | 22:43 |
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WalterN | Stskeeps: I was looking at the licensing necessary for the exFAT file system... is it $300k for everything? or is there some other licensing cost per device? | 22:49 |
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salyavin | Might be price related to volume for them. Not sure he is allowed to tell you how much. | 23:02 |
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WalterN | http://rshullic.wordpress.com/2010/06/01/the-costs-of-exfat-licensing/ | 23:04 |
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M4rtinK | I'm kinda wondering how is that even valid in the EU | 23:08 |
M4rtinK | provided that you use that GPL licensed implementation by samsung or some other free software one (or write one yourself) | 23:09 |
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WalterN | there is a FUST exFAT reverse engineered port for it | 23:10 |
M4rtinK | does the specification say "you need to license X from Y" | 23:10 |
M4rtinK | or "needs to be able to read/write X" ? | 23:10 |
WalterN | I think its "if you want to call it SDXC, you need exFAT license from microsoft"... as far as I can tell there is nothing else.. like you could put the hardware for the slot in it and call it 'memory support up to 256gigs' (or whatever) | 23:12 |
M4rtinK | that would be actually supper funny | 23:12 |
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M4rtinK | like a nexus with SDXC support :) | 23:13 |
M4rtinK | without an SD slot :) | 23:13 |
WalterN | but, like a lot of things I read about, I'm not quite clear on that | 23:14 |
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WalterN | why not use a SATA SSD instead? | 23:17 |
WalterN | too big maybe? | 23:17 |
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M4rtinK | bah | 23:21 |
Turski | plrobaby waaay too big | 23:21 |
M4rtinK | DASD FTW! :) | 23:21 |
WalterN | some SSDs are rather small, like this http://www.crucial.com/usa/en/ssd/ct512m550ssd3 | 23:21 |
Turski | WalterN: that's not SATA | 23:22 |
Turski | mSATA != SATA | 23:22 |
WalterN | :P | 23:22 |
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M4rtinK | I've also recently suggested adding iSCSI support to Sailfish OS, you can vote for me suggestion here: https://together.jolla.com/question/68539/poll-file-systems-support-on-sd-card-for-jolla-tablet/?answer=69044#post-id-69044 | 23:26 |
M4rtinK | :) | 23:26 |
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WalterN | and mSATA port on a tablet would be pretty interesting | 23:31 |
WalterN | a/and/an | 23:31 |
M4rtinK | WalterN: actually, that's a really good idea! | 23:33 |
M4rtinK | WalterN: you could either use it for storage or for a 3G modem | 23:33 |
M4rtinK | like on Thinkpads for example | 23:33 |
WalterN | you can get an mSATA modem? | 23:33 |
WalterN | I guess that would make sense... | 23:34 |
M4rtinK | IIRC the same interface can be used for both | 23:34 |
M4rtinK | there are even prepared antenna leads to connect to the card IIRC | 23:34 |
Turski | that would probably bring some more thickness | 23:34 |
WalterN | I was more thinking along the lines of getting rid of possible licensing issues | 23:34 |
WalterN | probably use a little more power too | 23:36 |
lbt | M4rtinK: I'm thinking pypy isn't looking so good | 23:36 |
lbt | [43793s] [rtyper:WARNING] prebuilt instance <Loop -1, gen=0> has no attribute '_ll_loop_code' | 23:36 |
M4rtinK | lbt: oops | 23:36 |
lbt | 12 hrs... | 23:36 |
M4rtinK | lbt: it seemed to be taking a bit long | 23:37 |
M4rtinK | lbt: feel free to kill it :) | 23:37 |
lbt | no need - just fyi | 23:37 |
WalterN | M4rtinK: a quick search on together.jolla.com did not show any results on msata | 23:37 |
M4rtinK | well it actually could be it takes so long :) | 23:37 |
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lbt | does it need arm optimisation maybe? | 23:38 |
lbt | not sure - pypy is JIT isn't it ? | 23:38 |
M4rtinK | lbt: AFAIK they support arm | 23:38 |
lbt | I'd suggest that a 12h+ build probably needs to be reviewed to make sure it's not doing needless things | 23:39 |
lbt | it may be worth moving the test phase out of the build for example | 23:39 |
M4rtinK | lbt: and the same package builds for armv7hl on Fedora: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=580461 | 23:39 |
lbt | and documenting how to do it on device | 23:40 |
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WalterN | do you need a license to use the sata license? | 23:41 |
WalterN | erm | 23:41 |
WalterN | to use the sata name | 23:41 |
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M4rtinK | lbt: actually I think i turned of the tests: | 23:41 |
M4rtinK | # Easy way to turn off the selftests: | 23:41 |
M4rtinK | %global run_selftests 0 | 23:41 |
M4rtinK | *turned off | 23:41 |
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lbt | fedora build doesn't mention a total time | 23:42 |
M4rtinK | StartedWed, 24 Sep 2014 07:37:02 UTC | 23:42 |
M4rtinK | CompletedWed, 24 Sep 2014 17:33:18 UTC | 23:42 |
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M4rtinK | so it might actually be about right :) | 23:43 |
lbt | haha - I was looking in the build log | 23:43 |
lbt | nb the build log for that 10h run does include tests | 23:43 |
M4rtinK | on the other hand, it is still to long | 23:43 |
M4rtinK | our arm builders are notoriously slow | 23:43 |
M4rtinK | *too long | 23:43 |
lbt | fedora build : real529m25.460s | 23:43 |
lbt | that's just the build phase | 23:44 |
M4rtinK | some calxeda or something real hardware thingies | 23:44 |
lbt | so maybe it's a long build and actually not-too-long tests | 23:44 |
M4rtinK | I think the Mer OBS is using QEMU ? | 23:44 |
lbt | kinda | 23:44 |
lbt | sb2 | 23:44 |
lbt | so there is qemu happening | 23:44 |
lbt | if pypy needs pypy to build pypy then ... ooops | 23:45 |
lbt | or any minipy | 23:45 |
lbt | qt has a similar issue with qmake - it builds it as part of the arch specific build | 23:45 |
lbt | so what we do is build qmake discretely for arm/x86 | 23:46 |
lbt | then the arm build uses the x86 version of qmake (via sb2) instead of qemu | 23:46 |
lbt | this make a masive difference to the speed - and it's the same code for qmake | 23:46 |
M4rtinK | interesting :) | 23:47 |
M4rtinK | there are some rules in Fedora | 23:47 |
M4rtinK | that say that builds for a given architecture need to happen on the architecture | 23:48 |
M4rtinK | so we have real hardware for armv7 and it is pretty slow :D | 23:48 |
lbt | ah, OK | 23:48 |
lbt | FWIW all of Mer (and Tizen afaik) is built using sb2 hybrid cross-build/native injection | 23:49 |
M4rtinK | so there are even plans to use aarch64 machines running in the 32-bit compatibility mode | 23:49 |
M4rtinK | for amv7 builds in the future to make them faster :) | 23:49 |
lbt | and those are targeted at production arm devices | 23:49 |
M4rtinK | *armv7 | 23:49 |
lbt | just noting that it may be worth reviewing that policy at some point | 23:50 |
M4rtinK | sure, I think there should really be no real difference these days | 23:51 |
lbt | *nod* .. just fyi and as possible case studies in case people want to look at them | 23:51 |
M4rtinK | but on the other hand we have much more packages than Mer/Sailfish OS | 23:52 |
lbt | good reason to optimise build times then ;) | 23:52 |
M4rtinK | yeah | 23:52 |
M4rtinK | there are actually no automatic rebuilds | 23:52 |
lbt | fwiw the OBS is building some packages in <1min now | 23:52 |
M4rtinK | that's probably the only reason why it is workable like this :) | 23:53 |
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lbt | tmpfs builds and very fast rootfs construction | 23:53 |
M4rtinK | yeah, I've seen it, especiall noarch stuff is very fast as far as I can tell :) | 23:54 |
M4rtinK | snapshots ? | 23:54 |
lbt | no - I've not investigated fully - it's on my TODO | 23:54 |
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M4rtinK | there have been some quite significant improvements for the Mock tool used to construct the Fedora build roots: | 23:57 |
M4rtinK | http://xpath-of-light.blogspot.cz/2014/10/new-features-in-mock-12.html | 23:57 |
M4rtinK | I guess nosync would not help much in tmpfs | 23:58 |
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M4rtinK | but I guess LVM snapshots over LVM with PVs on a ramdisk might be ridiculously fast :) | 23:58 |
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M4rtinK | and for ultra crazyness use zram for the ramdisk :) | 23:59 |
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