Monday, 2014-12-22

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coderusit's not test, its Mitakuuluu source code :D00:04
coderusyou asking two different things :D00:06
coderustest is .patch file with -p100:06
coderusQt.resolvedUrl is just simple built-in qt parser :)00:07
coderusit will return file:// + path when needed00:07
appdif i have a background image at "qml/images/image2.png", then i can use "Qt.resolvedUrl("image://image2.png")?00:08
appddoes the patch file need the latest jolla update?00:08
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coderusappd: no, you use Qt.resolvedUrl("images/image2.png")00:14
coderusappd: patch works only on u10
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appdok, i haven't updated, still am using
appdand shows no updates available00:32
coderusjolla not working at weekend ;)00:32
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muppis_coderus, I noticed a typo in Powermenu. In Configuration  Fancy background -settings description says Requres. Should it say Requires? Altough both means same, but first one is Catalan word. :)08:10
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coderusmuppis: thanks08:53
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coderusJonni: question about trying to activate developer updates (not by me: WHat is the right way to restore original behaviour? User says ssu fl sales is not enough.08:55
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SK_workcoderus: ssu release sales09:06
SK_workcoderus: wait a sec09:06
SK_workcoderus: ssu domain sales09:07
SK_workssu fl release09:07
SK_workssu re
SK_worktry with those 309:07
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coderusaha domain also09:14
m4g0gis there  a way to use filter in qml for external model?09:14
m4g0gor I should use QSortFilterProxyModel in this case?09:14
coderusm4g0g: well, there is example in SearchField reference09:16
coderusthis is the only one way qml can do natively09:16
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Jonnicoderus: only thing that I can think of if user runs the commands as wrong user as there is difference if command is runned between nemo and root09:23
Jonnibut yes switching to sales domain should be enough09:23
m4g0gcoderus: nativly via ListModel09:24
coderusJonni: isn't nemo restricted to run ssu commands?09:24
coderusm4g0g: yes, onr-by-one sorting09:24
coderusfor ( ... ) { if ( ... ) {} else {} }09:24
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m4g0gExternal model it's better to use09:25
coderusJonni: and ssu omain should be runned under nemo or root? :)09:28
Jonnicoderus: afaik nemo09:28
Jonniif I remember right09:29
SK_workJonni: I think root works too09:29
aard_coderus: it doesn't matter, several actions need to run as root, but for those a dbus activated daemon is used, given dbus is available09:30
Jonnionly if you install stuff as root, but if you use UI like jolla store (it runs as nemo.privileged so nemo user needs to have right settings)09:30
coderusaard_: cool, thanks :)09:30
Jonnibut I might remember wrong.09:30
Jonnior user could just trying register  user@sales09:30
coderusthank you :)09:30
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Jonnifrom ui09:30
Jonniif I remember right that switched back to sales domain also09:31
dr_gogeta86good morning from sicily09:31
coderusJonni: okay, thats cool09:31
coderusi'll try :)09:31
Jonnibut if the end user runs the commands that you instructed it should be able to tell what settings is conflicting for him.09:32
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dr_gogeta86coderus, may i test dbus mpris lockscreen ?09:34
coderusJonni: hm now on i tried to access developer updates, ui says "Host requires authentication" and my domain and repos not changed.09:34
dr_gogeta86is something i really miss from n909:34
aard_coderus: it only happens no the very first software version from a year ago09:34
dr_gogeta86tmo ?09:35
coderusaard_: need more investigation then:
coderusdr_gogeta86: ?09:35
aard_coderus: if you have anything newer than the original firmware you need to manually screw around with ssu to break it09:36
coderusaard_: hm, i don't think this user could manually screw it, but who knows. will see.09:37
ulvusmorning sailfisher09:37
coderusbtw, is there anybody interested to look at my proper workaround for alphanumeric devicelock patch?09:38
aard_coderus: the url there is an rnd url, so he switched his device from release setting to rnd setting. even with the first firmware that didn't happen by accident. ssu domain sales; ssu re <releaseversion> should switch him back09:39
coderusokay, thank you09:41
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xfade_Check check check ;)09:47
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Manohi, is there any way i can clear all the logs in phone app?11:08
Manoa command in terminal is also fine..11:08
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coderusMano: you mean clear call history?11:09
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Manoyes yes..11:09
coderusgood question :D11:12
Manoif we could find where the log is stored. will it help?11:14
coderuscommhistory-tool deleteall -calls11:14
coderusthis should be solution11:14
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Nokiuscoderus: ping11:18
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Manocool. thanks for d solution coderus11:21
coderusNokius: pong11:23
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coderusMano: you welcome11:23
Nokiusso fare i can't reprodice the problem11:24
Nokiuscoderus: ^11:24
coderusNokius: coool :)11:24
coderusi finally patched most important place :D11:24
Nokiuscoderus: but the Event view problem I only got ones :-/11:24
coderusNokius: is it a problem really? :D11:25
coderusNokius: seems you need to apply for tester in Jolla :D11:25
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Nokiuscoderus:  we are not talking about the maliit one or?11:25
Nokiuscoderus: :D11:25
Nokiusjulius the last patch had only the event view efect all the rest was good iirc11:26
Nokiuscoderus: ^11:26
Nokiusdon't do two task at ones :)11:27
Nokiuswill try my bet to get a unwanted effect in the next hours :P11:29
* Nokius afk for launch11:30
Armadillo-a maybe ^^11:31
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coderusNokius: patch fixing only devicelock settings, not devicelock keyboard :)11:37
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gabriel9is sdk updated?11:42
gabriel9on download page i can see Opt-in11:42
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coderusgabriel9: no11:44
coderuslatest opt-in is u911:44
tbryou should be able to use the U9 sdk with a U10 device11:45
coderusBlame me, but i released it to public: :D11:45
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Armadillou10 SDK will be released on january 5th11:53
coderusArmadillo: really? :)11:55
Armadillocoderus really! :P11:56
Nokiuscoderus: so can't see any problems so fare label it "at own risk" :P11:56
sandsmarkhmm, I don't get an update notification (tried on several wlans just to make sure), are they doing staggered rollouts or something?11:56
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Nokiuscoderus: some times its posible when pressing he numpad option and it ask for the code :-S12:00
coderusNokius: sure, this is workaround :)12:01
coderusNokius: after pressing numpad option it checks your deviceloc password and not setting to numpad if alphanumeric used. :)12:01
coderussandsmark: try devel-su -p12:02
coderusdbus-send --print-reply --dest=com.jolla.jollastore /StoreClient com.jolla.jollastore.checkForUpgrade "boolean:true" "boolean:true"12:02
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* Nokius cu later12:03
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sandsmarkcoderus: what does it do? the same thing as the "check for sailfish updates" in settings?12:03
sandsmarkit returned this: method return sender=:1.642 -> dest=:1.697 reply_serial=212:04
coderusyes, just forced to check if some cache stored12:04
sandsmarkhmm, ok12:04
forgrimmNow I got a strange bug in my game SailCountries :/ I have a file for all countrydata: with qsTr(). It used to work until QT update to 5.2. Now it just works if I call that function direct in a QML file. If I call the function in another javascript file like here: the12:05
forgrimmcountries stay untranslated in the new QT-Version. Any ideas?12:05
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sandsmarkyou don't get any warnings or error output?12:06
coderusforgrimm: i never seen qsTr can be used in js12:06
forgrimmI definitly used to work ;-)12:06
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sandsmarksaidinesh5: the only issue is that I guess it might actually be more code to special-case several types of keyboards12:10
coderusforgrimm: you definetly shouldn't do that12:10
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coderusforgrimm: in your ddelegate use text: qsTr(
sandsmarksaidinesh5: how many "special" keyboards should there be? e-mail, numbers-only, symbol...?12:11
saidinesh5umm.. .let me check12:11
forgrimmcoderus: But then lupdate won't find all the countries to translate12:12
coderusforgrimm: you can keep it in js just to keep translate strings in ts12:12
coderusbut add qsTr to delegates12:12
coderusto really translate it12:12
forgrimmkk I see12:12
coderusbut well12:12
coderussomething changed in qt5.212:12
coderusor you missed your translations in recent build if it really worked before12:12
forgrimmActually it works in the CountrieList that's directly calling the method from QML12:13
saidinesh5sandsmark: "languages/Keyboard_telephone.qml";"languages/Keyboard_numbers.qml";  "lib/"+locale+"/Keyboard_"+locale+"_email.qml"; "lib/"+locale+"/Keyboard_"+locale+"_url_search.qml";  canvas.layoutId = "freetext";12:14
forgrimmBut not if I call it from JS12:14
saidinesh5telephone, numbers, email, url search, freetext12:14
sandsmarkok, so not a ton12:14
saidinesh5and then emoji too12:14
sandsmarkand I guess it won't change a lot in the future12:14
saidinesh5kids these days.. emojis into keyboards ...12:14
sandsmarkso hardcoding them might not be that bad :P12:14
sandsmarkdepends on how much work it is, then :D12:15
saidinesh5shouldnt be much work would it?12:15
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saidinesh5sandsmark:  i was thinking of adding "specialkeys" : [ [key1] [key2]] .. so on to the layout itself12:16
sandsmarkhmm, what would they do?12:16
saidinesh5the key left/right of the spacebar basically12:17
saidinesh5so that way for url keyboard, they would be ".com","", so on...12:17
sandsmarkyeah, makes sense12:17
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sandsmarkyeah, and for scandinavian it is where people put ø12:17
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saidinesh5i thought scandanavian keyboards have 11 keys on the top two rows?12:18
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sandsmarkyeah, but not nemo12:18
sandsmarkswiftkey uses 11 keys, though12:18
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sandsmarkswiftkey follows the normal qwerty layouts from normal keyboards12:20
coderusforgrimm: because it can't work :D12:20
sandsmarknemo squeezes stuff in weird places :D12:20
saidinesh5umm.. oooooooookay..12:20
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saidinesh5i thought you said it was 29 characters12:20
sandsmarkthere is12:21
saidinesh5so how many special keys do we need then?12:21
saidinesh5i thiiiiiiiiiiink we can fit up to 3 keys12:21
saidinesh5without feeling too cramped up12:21
saidinesh5i m pretty sure 2 keys would be perfect though12:21
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sandsmarkwell, if we get 11x2 on the top rows we don't need any :D12:21
sandsmarkI just had a brainfart12:21
saidinesh5lol we can get that.. but i thought you said it is too cramped up12:22
sandsmarkbut we could just have , and . or something12:22
coderusforgrimm: using .pragma library you can't access global qt functions12:22
sandsmarkincentive for people to use good punctuation12:22
saidinesh5good idea actually12:22
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saidinesh5so the [variable number of rows, columns, and 2 special keys ] = alphabetical keyboard?12:23
forgrimmcoderus: Maybe I should just load the data in main qml file on Appstart. That should work12:24
sandsmarksaidinesh5: yup, sounds good12:24
saidinesh5okay in that case all the symbolic keyboards, etc.. are to be implemented in QML itself12:26
sandsmarkyup, sounds good12:26
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saidinesh5and switchiing doesnt have to reach engine at all12:27
saidinesh5makes it cleaner that way12:27
saidinesh5engine then just takes care of the input12:27
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saidinesh5except shift...12:27
forgrimmcoderus: Yeah - That's working - Thanks on pointing out that .pragma can't access global qt functions12:27
saidinesh5this is the bit that was actually confusing me over the weekend too12:28
sandsmarkthe shift?12:28
saidinesh5like how exactly to deal with backspace and enter and shift and space keys12:28
saidinesh5in the maliit plugin code? in the engine code?12:28
sandsmarkI think the state machine in the engine should handle them12:28
sandsmarkand then send signals to the rest to change what is displayed?12:28
saidinesh5it should or shouldnt?12:29
sandsmarkbecause we want shift to be automatically triggered after a ".", for example12:29
sandsmarkI think12:29
saidinesh5yes, true...12:29
saidinesh5lol this loooks like one ugly mess already12:31
saidinesh5engine taking care of shift key but12:31
saidinesh5only the ui taking care of12:31
saidinesh5the numeric key12:31
sandsmarkcould make the engine handle the numeric key as well?12:33
saidinesh5thats actually what we are currently doing :p12:34
saidinesh5but .. i wasnt sure how to make it play well with the telephonic keyboard..12:34
sandsmarkwhat do you mean?12:35
saidinesh5like telephonic keyboard = think of old 90's cellphones12:35
saidinesh5it definitely needs a layout in qml12:35
saidinesh5another option is to implement the state machine in the UI itself12:37
sandsmarkmmm, not a big fan of huge logic parts in js/qml :D12:38
saidinesh5exactly my problem :p12:38
sandsmarkand I think it needs to be kind of close to the prediction algorithm12:38
saidinesh5good point12:38
saidinesh5capitalization based on nons12:38
sandsmarkmaybe it is easier to do all keyboards in json :P12:41
saidinesh5like now? :P12:42
sandsmarkbut special keyboards as well12:42
saidinesh5but i m still thinking how to do telephonic keyboard in json12:42
sandsmarkwell, just a 3x4 layout?12:43
saidinesh5yes but the keys need different arrangement there12:43
saidinesh5no spacebar12:43
saidinesh5+, - keys to the side12:43
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saidinesh5and we cant move spacebar to the json12:44
saidinesh5cuz of the shape and position :p12:44
sandsmarkyeah :V12:45
saidinesh5lol see?12:45
saidinesh5this was tricky12:45
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sandsmarkUIs are so hard...12:46
saidinesh5lol wait till we have to implement UI tests then :P12:46
sandsmarkoh god12:47
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sandsmarkat work we have QA people that do that for us :D12:47
saidinesh5yeah even we did lol.. i even gave one of them blauzahl's contact details for squish12:47
sandsmarkyeah, we use squish12:48
saidinesh5lol is that the only tool available for Qt?12:48
sandsmarkthey already used it before I started there, though, so I couldn't use my contacts :P12:48
sandsmarkI think so12:48
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sandsmarkbut yeah, let's finish the multi-language layout stuff first :D12:50
sandsmarkmaybe we come up with some genius ideas12:50
sandsmarkit doesn't like my 11+11+9 layout: ASSERT failure in QVector<T>::operator[]: "index out of range", file /usr/include/qt5/QtCore/qvector.h, line 35812:50
saidinesh5hehh i thought we are doing this for the multi language12:50
saidinesh5okay let me fix that firs tthen12:51
sandsmarkeh, 11+11+812:51
saidinesh5okay gimme a minute..  fixing that first then12:51
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sandsmarksaidinesh5: are you doing the dictionary analyzer as well, or can/should I?12:55
saidinesh5sandsmark: there isnt much in the dictionary analyzer is there?12:56
saidinesh5check raw_material/12:56
sandsmarkwhat do you mean much? it seems to have hardcoded keyboard dimensions in a lot of places12:56
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sandsmarkok, not that much12:57
saidinesh5ohh .. lol i first implemented that too as a non hardcoded12:58
saidinesh5and then hardcoded it12:58
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saidinesh5i wanted to think of it as "if the layout is too weird,  at least let it throw an error so you can check the UI"12:59
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sandsmarksaidinesh5: where are the android dictionary files?13:05
sandsmark(if you remember where, otherwise I'll search for them myself :D)13:05
saidinesh5actually i do13:05
saidinesh5hold on13:05
Nokiuswhat is the name of the dialer application to start it from cli?13:06
Nokiusthe cover is "broken" and I like to see the output13:06
Armadillobroken in which way?13:07
sandsmarkNokius: voicecall-ui iirc13:07
Nokiussandsmark: thanks13:08
Nokiusah cli one gets the cover woking13:09
Nokiusthere is now way to debug application via ssh or which are started via "touchuser"?13:09
sandsmarkI see that when it is launched normally it is with "voicecall-ui -prestart"13:10
Nokiussandsmark:  okay was a bit wondering about the behavier13:11
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Nokiusmh strange13:13
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sandsmarksaidinesh5: ok, I feel stupid; the grid_length should be the maximum row length, I guess?13:19
* saidinesh5 checks13:19
saidinesh5but sounds about right13:19
saidinesh5yup sandsmark13:20
saidinesh5i was looking  at skeyer's code lol13:21
saidinesh5couldnt find that variable and the horror of using underscore ina variable name :P13:21
mekluunderscores are much nicer than ThisDarnCase13:22
mekluhorrific, I say13:22
sandsmarkthings get so long!13:23
meklu"oh no, my 200-character lines will look even worse!" :D13:24
meklu8-column \t tabs and 80-column lines are the best13:24
sandsmarkno, my 7 character variable is suddenly 20!13:25
mekluand curly brackets on the right13:25
sandsmarkmeklu: get out of here13:25
sandsmarkwith your cray-cray styles :D13:25
mekluyou are the crazy one! D:13:25
mekluI merely wrote my own HTTP server for my URL shortener daemon thing13:25
sandsmarkhonestly, I don't really care much, I just follow whatever style the project I'm working on uses13:25
mekluin C13:25
mekluthat's not crazy, YOU'RE ALL CRAZY!13:26
sandsmarkI've written irc-bots and games in C13:26
sandsmarkthere I actually follow the kind of style you describe13:26
sandsmarkbut for Qt-based projects I use the qt style13:26
mekluQt Creator doesn't even list the one true brace style13:27
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meklufear naught, for when I do dabble in others' codebases, I follow the style there :)13:28
cos-sorry if this is a faq, but does the latest update solve the issue with btrfs allocations?13:29
sandsmarkI doubt it13:29
sandsmarkI don't think it ships with a newer kernel13:29
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King_DuckZwoot, the long awaited update is finally out! :))13:42
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Morpog_PCold news :D13:44
King_DuckZhm how do I copy the backup to the sd card? I can't find it in my home13:45
sandsmarkthere's a menu item for it in the backup thing13:46
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Morpog_PCpully menu13:47
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King_DuckZah I was looking for the tar itself... thanks! :)13:48
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King_DuckZtime to update :))13:48
sandsmarksaidinesh5: pushed the updated analyzer13:48
sandsmarkto the sailfish branch, though, it doesn't seem to be merged13:49
sandsmarkshould I merge?13:49
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sandsmarkmuh, still no update for me :(13:51
mekluthat's somewhat odd13:52
sandsmarkwell, I was thinking they might not be rolling out to everyone at the same time13:52
Stskeepsshould be for everybody13:54
sandsmarkhmm, ok, time to debug13:55
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King_DuckZis the problem with dhcp fixed in this update? (wifi at work has a short dhcp lease and I lose connection very often)13:55
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saidinesh5sandsmark: cool13:56
saidinesh5sandsmark: just to be sure its based on the 11x3 layout right?13:57
sandsmarksaidinesh5: yes13:57
sandsmarkhmm, I see this under disabled repositories, is that correct?: - home                     ...
SK_worksandsmark: yes14:00
SK_workdon't know why honeybadger (iekku ?) is disabled, but it was always like that14:00
Stskeepshoneybadger isn't iekku14:00
SK_workor was aard_ the honeybadger ?14:01
SK_workiekku is the nice badger14:01
sandsmarkand packagekit complains that it can't read /etc/os-release (as it doesn't exist)14:01
Stskeepsgive a guess14:01
sandsmark<3 that video14:01
aard_sandsmark: it's an example for developers to configure their home project on obs easily, disabled per default14:01
sandsmarkaard_: ah, ok14:01
Stskeeps starts making more sense too14:01
sandsmarkhmm, I can install applications from the store, but not the sailfish utilities app14:02
SK_worksandsmark: pkcon install sailfish-utilities ?14:02
sandsmarkhuh: Command failed: This tool could not find any available package: could not find sailfish-utilities14:03
mekluyou need either U9 or U10 for that14:03
sandsmarkoh, ok14:03
sandsmarkbut it is displayed in the store?14:03
sandsmarkbut not related, then14:03
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sandsmarkhmm, doesn't log anything to journald when I try to check for updates14:04
SK_workStskeeps: the blog took a long time to be made, but the result is good :)14:05
King_DuckZis jolla planning to advertise sailfishos or their products at all? not many people seem to have ever heard of them14:05
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sandsmarkuh, under the "about device" thingy in settings, sailfish os is "unknown version"14:06
Stskeepsi've seen factual ads around the place14:06
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sandsmarkare OS updates handled through packagekit?14:10
sandsmarkor can I get whatever is checking for OS updates to spit out more debug info?14:10
aard_sandsmark: through store14:11
Acceanyone happen to know, where can I find some, even theoretical, maximum sampling frequencies for the common sensors in mobile SoC'14:12
sandsmarkdoes anyone else have /etc/os-release?14:17
sandsmark(on their phone)14:18
mekluI do14:18
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sandsmarkmeklu: what is in it?14:21
sandsmark(and why has mine gone :V)14:21
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mekluNAME=SailfishOS; ID=sailfishos; VERSION=" (Vaarainjärvi) (armv7hl)"; …14:22
meklutr ; \n ofc14:23
sandsmark… == more lines?14:23
mekluthat might be a useful-ish line14:24
sandsmarkhmm, I should find the proper content for u814:24
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mekluyou could probably fill it with pretty arbitrary data, not quite sure14:24
sandsmarkI guess this explains why the store shows me applications that are only available for u9/u10 as well :D14:25
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sandsmarkmaybe I can pull it out of the emulator14:25
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meklusailfish-version is the package that includes the file, sandsmark14:25
sandsmarkoh, ok14:26
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sandsmarkpkcon search file os-release couldn't find it, but that might just search installed packages?14:26
sandsmarkthanks :D14:26
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sandsmarkmeklu: <314:27
sandsmarknow it found the update14:27
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sandsmarksaidinesh5: but okay if I merge in the sailfish branch into master?14:30
sandsmark(I don't have an ubuntu phone to test with, in case it breaks stuff :D)14:30
saidinesh5sandsmark: feel free to..14:31
saidinesh5also sandsmarkthe ubuntu touch stuff doesnt require anything special .. i sent patch to their upstream14:31
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saidinesh5well their fork of maliit14:31
saidinesh5added a mir backend there14:31
sandsmarkok, nice14:31
saidinesh5mhm they are still ironing out the issues and how 3rd party keyboards are to be integrated and all that stuff14:32
saidinesh5so they wont yet merge it into maliit framework afaik14:32
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sandsmarkbah, stupid slow hotel internet14:39
sandsmarkthis download takes forever14:39
sandsmarksaidinesh5: did you start on the state machine last time, btw?14:44
sandsmarkI was thinking about doing it, but if you already have some code for it it would be nice to start from that14:44
saidinesh5sandsmark: nope i havent touched it yet.14:44
saidinesh5sandsmark: for that you need to think of one more question how to deal with backspace, enter keys14:45
saidinesh5with maliit14:45
saidinesh5especially backspace14:45
sandsmarkhmm, yeah14:45
saidinesh5thats what was a bit.. weird for me about the statemachine14:45
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CorvetteZR1hi.  where can i download an update10 zip for mako?15:09
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tbrCorvetteZR1: ask on #sailfishos-porters15:11
CorvetteZR1ok, thx15:12
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sandsmarkhmm, would be nice to have powertop packaged15:20
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tbrsandsmark: isn't that in mertools?15:21
sandsmarkoh, silly me :D15:21
tbrssu er mertools (or mer-tools?)15:22
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sandsmarkoh man, new update is sweet15:44
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Stskeepsssu ar15:45
ulvushi again15:45
zetazhello. I found how to set  a specific ambiance with a dbus call, but can't find the list of favorited ambiances. Any idea where to look for this ?15:46
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zetazlooking in "/usr/share/ambience/*"is not enough, as we can create ambiences from any picture anywhere, and the system doesn't copy it to a know location15:47
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sandsmarkhmm, lots of unidentified timers in powertop16:00
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sandsmarksaidinesh5: so, should it accept the frontmost word when you press space, maybe?16:09
SK_workping coderus ?16:09
SK_workaround ?16:09
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zetazfound the ambiance related data hidden in a sqlite database under a priviliged directory (so not readable from user apps) here : /home/nemo/.local/share/system/privileged/Ambienced/ambienced.sqlite16:11
zetazanyone knows if there is an API somewhere to reach that data ?16:12
SK_workzetaz: you have privileged API16:12
SK_workthat's all16:12
zetazSK_work : ok. My long term goal is to add ambiance switcher in phonebot. So far I can switch ambiances at will from a test app, using dbus. Only problem is to find which ambiance to propose when doing the GUI...16:13
SK_workzetaz: wanted this too16:14
SK_workbut no API16:14
zetazmaybe I can start to test that without the GUI, hardcoding the paths...16:14
SK_workzetaz: the best would be to write a small C++ helper API16:14
SK_workattack the db directly16:14
SK_workchown this stupid db ;)16:14
zetazwhen you say there is a priviliged API, do you mean something that allows to have a higher level access from a "normal" nemo user app ?16:14
SK_workor use devel-su --privileged16:14
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SK_workzetaz: there are some QML bindings16:15
SK_worksee gallery QML code16:15
SK_workbut there is no C++ stuff16:15
SK_workand sadly, phonebot is all about C++16:15
zetazSK_work : Ok, I'll take a look.16:15
SK_workbtw, if you want to help phonebot, ping me16:16
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SK_workno much time these days16:16
SK_work(even if I managed to do this libnemomw stuff, to help devs to static-link to nemo middleware for harbour)16:16
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zetazdatabase tables are not that hard to decipher, but searched for something more stable. We don't know if this will be kept long under this format when they add functionnality to it...16:17
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SK_workzetaz: we can do something16:18
SK_worksomething I hate but we can do this16:18
SK_workzetaz: first, make a dummy demo app16:18
SK_worklike hello world project from SFOS SDK16:19
SK_workthen, run it as privileged (devel-su --privileged etc.)16:19
SK_workthen, use QtQML C++ API to dynamically import a QML library16:19
SK_work(import Sailfish.Ambience 1.0 ?)16:19
SK_worksee code in gallery16:19
SK_workso that we can have access to the C++ ambience binding16:20
zetazSK_work: for phone-bot, I will try to help and not do something else on my own side (in part because your approach seems smarter than what I can do ;) ), but have some compilation errors regarding the keepalive library, which I should have successfully installed in the mer compilation VM... So I starting working on a small app to test the ambiance stuff before going back to the full phone-bot.16:20
zetazSK_work: that's a good idea16:21
zetazgive me some time, I will try this16:21
SK_workzetaz: what's the issue with keepalive ?16:22
SK_workdid you cloned latest commits I have done16:22
SK_work(where I introduced libnemomw)16:22
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zetazSK_work: probably something stupid on my side. I cloned your repo yesterday (I think), and tried to compile. Got an error that keepalive development files where not found. The VM interface in QtCreator doesn't want to install (nothing  happens when  checked the libkeepalive and libkeepalive-devel packages, and clicked  "install"...), so I opened a command line in the VM, and installed it using the package manager. It succeeded, but I still have th16:38
zetaze error message that keepalive is missing...16:38
zetazdidn't spent too much time to figure out, and created a  new app to test the ambiance stuff alone.16:39
SK_workzetaz: do you have the paste ?16:42
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zetaznot yet, I have to finish something before retrying. I'll let you know !16:42
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sandsmarksaidinesh5: btw, did you try continously just sending the keys that the finger passed over to the engine?17:00
saidinesh5sandsmark: actually thats how it was till now17:00
sandsmarkoh, ok17:01
saidinesh5i moved it to the UI17:01
saidinesh5cuz of the longpress menu17:01
sandsmarkhmm, ok17:01
saidinesh5sandsmark: why do you ask?17:01
saidinesh5the shift key?17:01
sandsmarkbecause I think it would make clicking keys easier17:01
sandsmarkno, all keys :D17:01
sandsmarkand the long press because it would insert a new character afterwards?17:02
saidinesh5it would open the longpress menu :p17:02
saidinesh5for each key17:02
sandsmarkI don't understand17:03
saidinesh5long press any key :P17:03
sandsmarklongpress isn't onPressAndHold?17:03
saidinesh5well repeating too but17:03
saidinesh5more importantly17:03
saidinesh5you know..17:03
saidinesh5all the other keys17:04
saidinesh5in E key17:04
saidinesh5or I key17:04
saidinesh5lol run it and long press a key :P17:04
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sandsmarkI do :D17:04
zetazSK_work : to compile phonebot, I get : RPM build errors: Project ERROR: keepalive development package not found17:04
saidinesh5no menu opens up?17:04
sandsmarkit opens17:04
saidinesh5mhm thats the long press17:05
saidinesh5the thing is "swipe shouldnt start if a user longpressed a key"17:05
zetazSK_work, I installed it manually using "zypper install libkeepalive-devel", and it shows as "installed" if doing zypper info...17:05
sandsmarkyeah, but I don't understand why that can't work if all onPressed events are just forwarded to the engine instead of being collected in the UI17:05
SK_workzetaz: where did you install this ?17:06
zetazin the build Mer VM17:06
SK_workif you want, you can static-compile everything via CONFIG+=harbour17:06
zetazSK_work: ^17:06
SK_workzetaz: which build mer VM ?17:06
SK_workbeware of armv7hl vs i58617:06
saidinesh5sandsmark: umm i cant remember which commit i moved it to the UI. one was to report all the path the user swiped through along with the keys a user pressed at the same time17:06
SK_worktry the CONFIG+=harbour ?17:07
zetazthe one launched by QtCreator17:07
SK_workyou have to put it inside qmake options17:07
SK_workCONFIG+=harbour, so that you are not blocked17:07
sandsmarksaidinesh5: hmm, ok17:07
saidinesh5sandsmark: at first it was predict(inputKeys) , then i moved to preditct(inputKeys, inputPath)17:07
saidinesh5let me check17:07
saidinesh5why i moved it to the Ui17:07
SK_workyou might need to go to projectdir/src/3rdparty/libnemomw and do a git submodule init && git submodule update17:07
zetazSK_work: yes, I figured that the submodules where not retrieved, and done the init/update thing17:08
coderusgit submodule foreach git pull17:08
SK_workcoderus: desn't work for multiple layers of submodules17:09
SK_workphonebot have submodule libnemomw, that have submodules itself17:09
coderusgit submodule foreach git submodule foreach git pull17:09
SK_workcoderus isn't there a git submodule --recursive or something like that ?17:09
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coderusno pc at hand, only cup of tea :)17:10
zetazSK_work : I have a bunch of files in the phonebot/src/3rdparty/libnemomw/keepalive directory, so I don't think the problem is on this side17:11
SK_workzetaz: libnemomw stuff is only invoked if you pass CONFIG+=harbour17:11
SK_work(harbour prohibits 3rdparty nemo libs)17:11
saidinesh5sandsmark: yes that AND to not separate enter key, backspace key etc.. events during a swipe17:11
saidinesh5thats the main reason i moved the thing to the UI17:12
SK_workif you didn't, phonebot will be built using system dlls17:12
SK_workand keepalive stuff17:12
SK_workI do wonder why it doesn't work17:12
SK_workdo you use latest sdk ?17:12
zetazSK_workk : ok, understood. I'll try that17:12
sandsmarksaidinesh5: ah17:12
saidinesh5sandsmark: added beginSwipe() and endSwipe(), to let the engine know if a swipe is in progress17:12
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saidinesh5and manual keyPresses are to be sent directly17:13
SK_workzetaz: yes, the multi-channel, multi-version, one-package way of distributing is painful to manage17:13
SK_workbut it is rather ok ATM :)17:13
saidinesh5the UI takes care of the logic of not triggering a longKeyPress when a swipe is in progress...17:13
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saidinesh5sandsmark: git pull btw.17:22
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sandsmarksaidinesh5: I have to go eat now, bbl17:24
saidinesh5Ahh alright17:24
saidinesh5pushed the commit you needed17:24
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raa700damn vkbd arrows, y u not work?17:27
cos-jolla forgot facebook authentication again.. at least it's not fixed yet17:28
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sandsmarksaidinesh5: ok, I'll push more multilingual stuff when I get back :D17:37
saidinesh5sandsmark: okay i think your script had 1 mistake though17:38
saidinesh5fixed it17:38
saidinesh5testing it out now17:38
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zetazSK_work : it looks like it is building using the harbour config flag. I had to put it in almost every .pro, as putting it in the main one didn't seem to have any recursive effect... I don't remember having this problem before with CONFIG flags, but I don't recall using nested subdirs config either.18:00
zetazSK_work : while building, I finished to decipher the sqlite format to find the path related to an ambiance name (as set by the user, not the picture name)18:01
zetazI'll put all that in the forum, so that it is easier to find it back18:01
zetazalong with the DBus commands to switch ambiance18:02
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muppisI just get it. I can build and run project once with Beta 1410 . After that all examples disappears and I can't no longer buil nor run any project without reinstalling whole IDE. Bugs me.18:11
muppisI just don't get it...18:11
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hzbany idea why deploying fails with device target (error looks like deploy script is broken -- unexpected EOF -- but it looks like it's not)?, with emulator similar build+deploy goes fine18:17
saidinesh5sandsmark: ping me when you are back18:18
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hzbthat's the exact error:
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SK_workzetaz: why did you put CONFIG+=harbour everywhere ? :(18:21
SK_workgo to QtCreator > project tab18:21
SK_workthere is a line called "qmake extra arguments"18:21
SK_workput CONFIG+=harbour here18:21
SK_workdone :)18:21
SK_workzetaz: there is a DBus command to switch ambience yeah18:22
SK_workbut getting ambiences is not easy18:22
SK_workif you can write a library to do this, I will be your client18:22
SK_workit would be MUCH MUCHeasier to implement ambience switching feature18:22
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zetazSK_work : "why did you put CONFIG+=harbour everywhere ? " -> because my brain half-melted this afternoon tring to figure out dbus and qml, and I needed to see if that was the fix needed quickly ;)18:30
zetazdon't worry, I thought while doing it "it should work from qmake line", just didn't have the courage to test it...18:31
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zetazfor the ambiance list, maybe we can ask that as a new feature on ambienced ? Give a Dbus interface with the list under the format {"username", "path", "favorite"}.18:33
zetazOtherwise I'll try to do one lib. Not sure when, but looking at it?18:34
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meklusandsmark: no idea, I used rpm -qf /etc/os-release18:42
meklunice to hear you resolved it :)18:42
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Nc_Seeing this in logs suddenly (wasn't there before the update today):  "file:///usr/lib/qt5/qml/Sailfish/Silica/Page.qml:134: TypeError: Cannot read property of null"18:43
Nc_Something to be worried about?18:43
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SK_workNc_: not at all18:44
SK_workI have read this all the time since the beginning18:45
SK_workzetaz: yep18:45
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Nc_Uki... :)18:45
hzbhaa, I worked it out! piece of advice to myself and others: don't use ' character in Device name...18:45
SK_workI have sent something in ml, long ago, but neither me, not Jolla did followed up18:45
SK_workSfietKonstantin: ping18:45
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SK_workSfietKonstantin: :P18:47
zetazSK_work:  I don't promise anything with christmas holidays coming, but I will try to add ambience switching in phonebot one way or another. You can concentrate on the other millions of things to add ;)18:47
SK_workzetaz: you know, it's good to have some support18:49
SK_workeven if it is just a promise18:49
SK_worknext in my task list is connection management18:49
SK_worknot an esasy task :(18:49
zetazSK_work: If I manage to get the ambience done, I will probably be able to add other ones. But I need to concentrate on one at a time as I'm not an expert....18:50
sandsmarksaidinesh5: hello18:54
sandsmarktook long because I had to send my chicken back, so that they could cook it properly :D18:55
saidinesh5sandsmark: lol well.. be a vegetarian :p18:55
saidinesh5sandsmark: so git pull18:55
sandsmarkyeah, just cleaning up local changes first :D18:55
sandsmarksaidinesh5: ah, you're working in the sailfish branch?18:56
sandsmarkI switched to master18:56
saidinesh5i m also in master18:56
* saidinesh5 checks18:56
saidinesh5i was in sailfish18:56
saidinesh5prolly switched absentmindedly18:56
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saidinesh5sandsmark: did a tiny fix and a cleanup to teh dictionary analyzer18:58
sandsmarkis it okay if I add build-maliit-plugin to
sandsmarkyeah, saw that18:58
sandsmarkmy python is pretty rusty, so :D18:58
sandsmarkI'm scared to push my layout converter, because that code is horrible python18:59
SK_workzetaz: np18:59
SK_workping me if you have any issue18:59
saidinesh5Ahh heh feel free to push any code18:59
saidinesh5thats why the raw_material :p18:59
zetazSK_work: will do. Thanks for help so far by the way ;)18:59
sandsmarkyeah :P18:59
SK_workphonebot basically don't have any docs, so it is tricky to understand everything18:59
saidinesh5sandsmark: actually the reason i moved build-maliit-plugin outside the default is19:00
saidinesh5because its easier and faster to test the skeyer demo19:00
saidinesh5right now b/c of my QtCreator's settings, for me it makes almost no difference. when i click run, it opens maliit-exampleapp-plainqt19:00
saidinesh5with the needed variables19:00
saidinesh5sandsmark: you are still testing things with the device?19:01
sandsmarkI should probably start using skeyer demo, I kind of forgot it and kept deploying19:01
saidinesh5you can actually use maliit desktop too19:02
saidinesh5thats what i ve been using19:02
saidinesh5deployment is a lot faster that way19:02
SK_workzetaz: thanks for the TMO post19:02
saidinesh5okay btw. i think we need to discuss how we want to deal with all the other keylayouts19:03
jcbjoesince this channel is active can we ask off the wall kinda question like where can i find a diffrent baseband / radio for a nexus 4 running salifish os ?19:03
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saidinesh5was thinking of making a JsonKeyPadComponent {} and give it parts of keyboard to render19:04
Morpog_PCjcbjoe, #sailfishos-porters would be a better channel for that questions19:04
jcbjoethanks Morpog_PC19:04
saidinesh5that way all symbolic/numeric keyboard switching logic can stay in the UI.. or can be eliminated on larger screens like tablets etc...19:04
saidinesh5and then final keyboard can be19:05
saidinesh5a loader of the needed keypad component19:05
sandsmarkhmm, how do you get qtcreator to run maliit-exampleapp-plainqt?19:05
saidinesh5run settings19:05
sandsmarksaidinesh5: yeah, that sounds good19:05
saidinesh5projects > run19:05
saidinesh5let me get you all my qtcreator settings19:06
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sandsmarksaidinesh5: muh: DEBUG: Cant open qrc:/en_US.json19:14
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saidinesh5didnt see that coming19:15
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sandsmarkme neither :D19:15
sandsmarkI don't remember what we decided wrt. qrc19:16
saidinesh5well we decided something but nothing changed :P19:16
saidinesh5at least wrt. the .json files19:16
saidinesh5because they never used qrc19:16
saidinesh5looks like SKEYER_DATA_DIR is badly defined19:17
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saidinesh5sandsmark: engine.cpp19:17
saidinesh5QString keyboardFileName = QString("%1/%2/keyboard_layout.json").arg(SKEYER_DATADIR).arg(locale);19:17
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saidinesh5thats where it would try to load19:17
sandsmarkmy bad19:17
sandsmarkI think I munged SKEYER_DATADIR19:18
sandsmarkso it isn't defined, so it tries to load it relatively to something19:18
saidinesh5actually i think you are running the old code...19:18
saidinesh5because we moved en_US.json to en_US/keyboard_layout.json19:18
saidinesh5and SKEYER_DATADIR is automatically defined19:18
saidinesh5usually the PREFIX/share/skeyer is SKEYER_DATADIR19:19
sandsmarkI'm probably picking up an old plugin from somewhere...19:19
saidinesh5unless it finds maliit framework19:19
saidinesh5looks like it19:19
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sandsmarkindeed I am19:19
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saidinesh5so it works now?19:20
saidinesh5hehh weird..19:21
saidinesh5could you remove your maliit's servers config file?19:21
saidinesh5i think it is picking up maliit plugins from another location19:21
sandsmarkI just changed it to   2 onscreen\active=/home/sandsmark/src/skeyer/maliit_plugin/
saidinesh5not sure if it would pick it up that way19:22
sandsmarkwell, it gets loaded :D19:22
sandsmarkif I remove it it complains that it can't find any plugins19:22
saidinesh5i m not sure how  exactly qt's plugin system works19:22
saidinesh5maliit plugins are qtplugins19:23
sandsmarkok, it does run new code, because if I add some random qWarnings it prints them19:23
saidinesh5yet it asks for en_US.json?19:23
sandsmarklib/engine.cpp:    else qDebug()<<"Cant open qrc:/en_US.json";19:24
sandsmarkthat's why :D19:24
sandsmarkthe error message is just hardcoded19:24
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saidinesh5yeah found it19:24
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saidinesh5git pull and see what file it was trying to search for19:26
sandsmarkyeah, found it19:27
sandsmarkI just fixed the DATADIR19:27
sandsmarkshould work now :D19:27
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saidinesh5Ahh fix = ?19:27
saidinesh5and is it working?19:28
saidinesh5afaik this was where i had trouble with maliit-framework from maliit folks19:28
saidinesh5and had to use ubuntu's maliit19:28
sandsmarkwell, it wants to load it from /usr19:28
sandsmarkI tried overriding it by setting DATADIR = /home/sandsmark/src/skeyer/data19:29
saidinesh5looks like your environment variables were bad19:29
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saidinesh5Ahh did you first do a local install of maliit framework?19:29
sandsmarkno, it's installed from my package manager19:29
sandsmarkthat's why I upstreamed my fix to it :D19:29
saidinesh5makes sense19:29
saidinesh5package manager = yaourt?19:29
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sandsmarktheeere we go19:31
saidinesh5so just environment variables or something else too?19:32
sandsmarkwell, I hacked config.pri19:32
sandsmarkto point to the right paths :P19:32
sandsmarknow just this: Invalid parameter '-bypass-wm-hint'19:32
saidinesh5yeah buggy upstream :p19:32
sandsmarkthe plugin is loaded, though19:33
sandsmarkjust doesn't display anything :D19:33
saidinesh5sounds about right :P19:33
saidinesh5THIS is what took me a lot of time19:33
saidinesh5until the ubuntu folks told me it was bad upstream19:33
saidinesh5let me check though19:34
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sandsmarkyet another patch they didn't upstream? :P19:35
saidinesh5not sure they had 9 patches in total19:35
saidinesh5about 919:35
saidinesh5one was your fi19:35
sandsmarkyeah, ok19:35
sandsmarkbut ugh, why not upstream it instead of complain...19:35
saidinesh5they cant yet upstream cuz their mir related plans are not.. complete/concrete19:36
saidinesh5thats how even my mir patch is on pause for now19:36
sandsmarkwell, these are simple fixes :D19:36
* saidinesh5 shrugs19:36
saidinesh5i hate launchpad :P19:36
saidinesh5or bzr19:36
saidinesh5samething :P19:36
sandsmarkyeah :p19:36
SK_worksandsmark: saidinesh5 what are you trying to build actually ?19:36
sandsmarkSK_work: a swipeable keyboard19:37
saidinesh5SK_work: a swipelike keybaord:
saidinesh5sandsmark: 's video is also there :p19:37
sandsmarkor, "appendage-dragging" to avoid trademark infringement19:37
saidinesh5gesturebased keyboard :P19:37
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SK_workkeep me posted on this19:37
saidinesh5aye :)19:37
SK_work+ put it on github or somewhere (if it uses bzr :/)19:38
sandsmarkno, no bzr :P19:38
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ryukafalzooh, predictive keyboard on sailfish looks nice :D20:02
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muppisMeh.. I made translation for GPSinfo, but I don't have github account. Is there any other way to pass it to the author?20:50
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coderusmuppis: create github account is easy :)20:50
coderus*what wrong with this internet?..*20:50
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muppiscoderus, I know it's easy, but I don't know do I want. :D20:51
muppissandsmark, couldn't find an address.20:51
coderusmuppis: /wc if you dont know/dont want ;)20:51
sandsmarkbut yeah, github is pretty cumbersome20:52
sandsmarkhave to fork and do pull requests and stuff20:52
muppiscoderus, I'll probably do someday it as I'm developing my apps for Sailfish OS, so I might not have other choice than do an account. :D20:53
sandsmarkgit send-email is so much simpler20:54
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coderussure, coderus, just ignore this :D20:56
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muppisBut I'm not hurry. If you can't instantly say the way send the file, I'll wait till I need to do that account. :D21:04
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SfietKonstantinzetaz: btw21:07
SfietKonstantinyour failure in building phonebot might be related to the fact that there are two yaml files in rpm folder21:07
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zetazSfiet_Konstantin: I remember seeing a warning concerning spec file (I removed one from the .pro, without any change), but yaml may be concerned too21:08
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zetazI was afk since my last message, so didn't yet had time to finish building phonebot.... I'm back to it21:09
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Sfiet_KonstantinI'm building it ATM :)21:10
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coderus updated for u1022:28
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adriaanIs there anybody out there?22:51
Teguyea (though I'm probably not be able to help with anything but still :P)22:52
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phaeronthe truth is out there22:53
adriaan:D ok, for a moment I thought I wouldn't get any response22:56
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adriaanI recently acquired a Jolla phone and since I'm a fairly skilled programmer I thought I'd try to build an app for SailfishOS. But this is my first experience with Qt/Mer/...22:57
adriaanI'm having some trouble finding documentation on how to get started... A simple list of available device/platform API's and some basic examples on how to access them would be enough to get me started I think22:58
adriaanAnyone have any hints/useful links/... for me?22:58
sandsmarkadriaan: well, what kind of APIs are you looking for?23:01
sandsmarkadriaan: are you familiar with DBUS?23:01
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ryukafalzFor UI stuff, it'll be QML with Silica:
ryukafalzfor sensor access and the like, it's standard Qt - though I'm not sure offhand if there's a list of APIs that are available (relevant documentation:
adriaanWell, for a first project I have in mind just some pointers on using OAuth/REST API would be enough, but in general I'd like to get a feel of what's already possible with the platform (for example with regards to accounts integration, messages, ...)23:03
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adriaan(I realize OAuth/REST is not a device API, but it could be that there is some built-in API already available so I don't have to include it into my project myself)23:04
sandsmarkI don't think it ships with a oauth library, but I'm not sure23:05
sandsmarkthere are a ton of oauth libraries for qt, though23:06
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sandsmark for example23:07
adriaan@sandsmark I also have some experience in working with dbus in bash,php,node scripts, but never used in in Qt/C++23:07
sandsmarkadriaan: a lot of the middleware in mer is based on dbus23:08
adriaanBut if I understand you correctly, I would have to pick an OAuth-implementation out there and include that (copy the source code) into my own project?23:08
sandsmarko2 seems to be fairly straightforward, though23:09
sandsmarkoh, and qml is mostly js-based, btw.23:09
sandsmarkyou don't really need to write much c++ unless you want to23:09
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adriaanThat's a nice thing to know :) I have worked with C++ before, but it's been a long time so I'm a bit rusty :p But the Qt-approach is completely new to me... Anyway, I suppose trial-and-error is the best way to get the hang of it :p23:11
sandsmarkwell, that's how I do it23:11
sandsmarkbut Qt has extensive documentation if you want to sit down and read :P23:12
sandsmarkluckily the reference API documentation is (imho) even better23:12
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adriaanI'm trying to find my way around there right now, but for now I still get the feeling like I'm a bit lost in the woods :p But I expect that will be improving over the next few days as I dive in deeper :)23:15
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sandsmarkI learnt qt by just hacking away until stuff worked23:15
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sandsmarkimho, the qt APIs are pretty intuitive, so it's actually a good way to learn it :p23:16
adriaanGetting back to dbus, is there some inventory of interfaces that is available or would I have to try introspecting those that I might be interested in at random to find out if they are there or not?23:16
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adriaanI'm thinking about accounts integration for example...23:17
sandsmarkit's very varying to what degree they're documented, so the best way I've found is to introspect23:17
sandsmarkthe best solution is probably to look at existing applications23:17
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sandsmarkmost of the existing (third-party) applications for sailfish are on github23:17
zetazadriaan : take a look there :
zetazand dbus-monitor is your friend...23:18
zetazfound the calls to change the ambience using it this afternoon23:19
adriaanOk, thanks @sandsmark for your help and encouraging words ;) I'll just dive in and expect to become wiser over time :p If I get stuck I'm soon I'll be back :p23:20
lachs0rand specs are there too, depending on what you want23:20
adriaanzetaz, is dbus-monitor that's already present on the device and that I can run from terminal?23:20
adriaanOr is there some setup required?23:21
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sandsmarkadriaan: yeah, asking questions here is a good way to learn as well23:21
zetazadriaan : I don't think I have done something specific, so it should be there...23:21
sandsmarkadriaan: most normal development tools are on the phone23:21
sandsmark(like dbus-monitor)23:21
sandsmarkor available in the mer-tools repo that you can easily enable23:21
jcbjoeis it hard to install warehouse ?23:22
sandsmarkjcbjoe: download the rpm from here and tap it:
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jcbjoesandsmark: hi thanks for that link .. im getting the whole can install from untrsted source .. do i have to follow to allow installing this repo - ? or do i need to stay in #sailfishos-porters for this ?23:39
jcbjoei just want to test out the app warehouse23:40
sandsmarkah, you need to go into settings and allow installing third-party packages23:40
sandsmarksettings → system → security, third choice23:40
jcbjoeone sec sandsmark let me resetart irc its acting up23:41
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jcbjoesandsmark: what did you say again ?23:41
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sandsmarkjcbjoe: go to settings -> system -> security -> unsigned packages (third choice, I have it in norwegian so not sure what it is in english)23:42
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sandsmarksaidinesh5: trying to run maliit on my laptop is hilarious23:47
sandsmarkit shows the keyboard, but I can't click it :p23:48
sandsmarkok, got that to work23:50
sandsmarknow it just won't send any of the words to the test application23:51
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