Sunday, 2014-12-28

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* Nc_ re-installs the SDK some more01:06
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anandrkrishi, accessing irc using Jolla client05:51
anandrkrisexperience is not bad :)05:51
anandrkrisguess only application that uses four pulley menus!05:52
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* lachs0r is using the desktop version of that client06:32
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SummonHi. I've installed sailfish os sdk under linux. In the qtcreator I can "start sdk" and then I can "stop sdk". I also can "start emulator", but when it starts, the emulator button changes back to "start emulator" and I can't build any example because it look like qtcreator doesn't know about emulator is running.06:41
SummonThe error I get is06:41
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Summon:-1: error: SailfishOS Emulator: Connection refused06:42
SummonIf I look at the virtualbox settings for emulator, there is no network settings for it at all06:44
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SummonBut for  MerSDK virtual machine there are 2 network adapters (NAT and internal network). I copied this settings to emulator vm, but this didn't help.06:45
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nycatis there a way to install the sdk through rpm or tarball w/o running the installer?06:47
tbrnycat: you might be able to extract it and do things manually. check command line options for it06:48
tbrSummon: it might also be missing the port mapping06:49
tbrSummon: do you have a current version of vbox as recommended by the sdk?06:49
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SummonI have 4.3.20. The only error I get during install was Warning: VBoxManage: error: Invalid --audio argument 'pulse', but I don't think it is critical.06:52
tbrSummon: that's the VM setup failing06:53
SummonI understand, but it is sound setup06:53
tbrit probably ignores further parameters06:53
Summonthat would be bad06:53
tbrI had something similar once when some vbox parameter changed06:53
Summonmay be there are a way to make all parameters manually?06:54
tbrI simply looked at the setup script and set things up manually to match06:54
SummonThat looks logical )06:54
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tbrtigeli: ^^^ IIRC you were involved, might be worth checking befor you push out U10 sdk06:55
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SummonOk. I found that command and chaged pulse to alsa and now emulator works with sound, network settings are applied and qtcreator can see emulator07:10
Summonbut when I try to build an example I get "bash: /home/src1/: is a directory" and "...qmake" exited with code 126"07:11
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tbrmaybe the home directory mapping is missing?07:20
Summonall folders that are listed in MerSDK VM exist and MerSDK VM had no errors during install.07:25
Summonfolders that are listed in "shared folders" settings07:25
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tbrdid you use an empty field for some name?07:28
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Summonwhich name? shared forlders for VM were created by the installer. I just provide a path where I want SDK to install everything07:32
Summonand src1 is successfully seen from MerSDK VM07:32
SummonI just tested it07:32
tbrI meant the example project you created07:34
SummonI just took the "Component gallery" example from SDK07:35
Summonand tried to build07:36
tbrit asks you for a name when you do that, did you fill something in?07:40
SummonIt asks for a path to copy the example files, and I Wrote a path07:42
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SummonI've created empty sailfish os project and filled every field I was asked, but building results the same error =(07:46
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Summonit seems like somewhere is a space in command07:47
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coderusNokius_: cool, follow my twitter to see my location :)08:34
coderusplease suggest me sailfish/android application working on jolla to share my current location? not glimpse.08:36
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Nokiuscoderus: wait there is on inho09:00
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Nokiuslet me check iirc09:00
Nokius /var/brain was correct not sure if its the wanted but check Miataru (openrepos)09:03
Nokiuscheck miataru.com09:04
Nokiuscoderus: ^09:04
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tigelitbr: not me but Jare.. :)09:07
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sandsmarkSummon: have you tried launching the VM manually from the vbox ui?11:21
sandsmarkI sometimes do that11:21
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sandsmarkhmm, all android applications suddenly have invalid .desktop files11:41
sandsmarkbut they look just fine11:41
sandsmarkunfortunately whatever sailfish uses isn't as verbose as KDE when it comes to parsing .desktop files...11:42
sandsmark looks just fine to me11:43
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beidlsandsmark: have you noticed that the oc daemon SIGABRT's pretty much after starting?11:51
sandsmarkbeidl: hmm, nope11:51
sandsmarkI've only tested it with a manually created config file, btw.11:51
sandsmarkI'll see how it works without that :D11:51
sandsmarkyeah, got that now :p11:52
beidlhaha :D11:52
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sandsmarkhmm, the SIGABRT comes from an assert in dbus, that is really weird11:53
sandsmark_dbus_check_is_valid_interface, I probably fucked up something there :p11:54
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sandsmarkdbus is weird...12:00
beidlwhat have you found?12:01
Siddewith qt 5.2 now in sailfish. Are all the GPS features working now?12:01
Siddelike getting info about how many satellites connected?12:02
sandsmarkbeidl: well, the interface is invalid, somehow, but it doesn't tell me why12:03
Siddethere is very little info about whats new in QT5.2 in sailfish compared to 5.012:03
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sandsmarkSidde: ?12:05
sandsmarkSidde: have you looked at the qt 5.2 release notes?12:05
Siddesandsmark: i mean is everything in qt 5.2 implemented in sailfish?12:06
sandsmarkor what do you mean with "implemented"12:06
Siddei mean are all modules in place...12:06
Siddesandsmark: but if yes, then i have no furthen questions12:07
sandsmarkok :D12:07
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sandsmarkI'd expect them to note if any module wasn't available12:07
Siddesandsmark: :)12:07
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Siddesandsmark: info has not been jollas strong side. What's why i was asking12:08
sandsmarkthe other way around seems a bit backwards12:08
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sandsmarkwell, they're spending their time coding instead of writing docs, apparently12:09
Siddesandsmark: :)12:09
sandsmarkwhich is a bit annoying at times, but I guess for the best12:09
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sandsmark(not that I seem to read docs... I've been using the dbus API completely wrong :D)12:14
beidlI've never used the qdbus bindings, only dbus-cpp12:16
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Siddedbus is the horror... it's complicated. Much like systemd, pulseaudio and so many other modern linux stuff...12:16
sandsmarkyeah, I miss dcop12:16
sandsmarkit was so straightforward12:16
beidlSidde: let's please not turn this into a flame war. All I want to say is that I disagree12:17
sandsmark(unfortunately based completely on the X11 ICE stuff, so wouldn't work in wayland)12:17
beidlthe problem is that current APIs are way too verbose for app developer consumption12:18
Siddebeidl: sorry. i felt like a bit of trolling for a minute12:18
beidlthey are supposed to be easier12:18
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beidlSidde: np :)12:19
sandsmarkwell, the qdbus stuff isn't very verbose, you just have to actually read the docs before using them :p12:19
beidlI'm talking out of experience with libdbus-cpp :)12:20
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intejust wanted to ask12:21
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inteI found this site for sailfishOS images:
intehowever, there is no image for the s3lte (i9305) available from there12:22
sandsmarkinte: try #sailfishos-porters (iirc)12:22
inteah thanks12:22
sandsmark(I never remember the channel name, but it is something like that)12:23
beidlsandsmark: that's the right one, it's how I've come to sailfish (porting it to the galaxy nexus) :)12:26
sandsmarkah, cool12:26
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beidlwhich reminds me... maaaaybe I should finally release a image12:29
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tbrGPL source drop from Jolla/ Stskeepz now available from my server - as usual12:39
M4rtinKdownloading already :)12:40
M4rtinKall that Maemo/MeeGo bitrot made me paranoid :)12:40
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sandsmarkbeidl: there, fixed it, I think :D12:47
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beidlsandsmark: I'll try :)12:59
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sandsmarkforgot to pull first :p13:08
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beidlsandsmark: the daemon is now packaged into its own subpackage (for OpenRepos) and started as a user service :)13:10
sandsmarkyou're awesome13:11
beidl:D thanks13:11
sandsmarkI'll work a bit on the swiping keyboard now, and try to fix some config UI later today13:11
beidlsandsmark: great! and thanks for those wonderful PRs :)13:12
sandsmarkbeidl: created a PR for the fixed dbus stuff13:15
sandsmarkgogeta: that's my finger :D13:17
gogetaI hope into a release soonish as this eve :-D13:18
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gogetasandsmark, this will be a** breaker13:19
sandsmarkwell, there's a ton of stuff to iron out13:21
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gogetaping me if you want13:22
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beidlsandsmark: for some reason I don't see the daemon exposed as a service on the session bus13:32
beidldbus-send --session --dest=org.freedesktop.DBus --type=method_call --print-reply /org/freedesktop/DBus org.freedesktop.DBus.ListNames13:33
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sandsmarkneruval: ~/ dbus-send --session --dest=org.freedesktop.DBus --type=method_call --print-reply /org/freedesktop/DBus org.freedesktop.DBus.ListNames | grep beidl13:33
sandsmark      string "com.github.beidl.HarbourOwncloud.Daemon"13:33
sandsmarkand it should ASSERT out if it can't register on the bus13:33
beidlalso, what I've noticed, is it needed to expose the Uploader object instead of the dbus handler?13:34
sandsmarkwell, the dbus adaptor only somehow wraps a normal qobject13:35
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sandsmarkyeah, something fails here, when trying to launch it manually at least: [F] qt_assert:2096 - ASSERT: "QDBusConnection::sessionBus().registerService("com.github.beidl.HarbourOwncloud.Daemon")" in file ../../harbour-owncloud/daemon/main.cpp, line 3513:41
sandsmarkhmm, probably because the environment isn't set up properly when I launch it manually13:42
beidlsandsmark: remember that the service is started as part of daemon rpm installation. systemctl --user status harbour-owncloud-daemon13:44
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beidljust to check if the dbus service name is already claimed as part of that13:44
beidlalso, the assert doesn't work here. seems like running 2 instances of the daemon doesn't cause one to fail13:46
beidlI guess asserts are kept out of release builds13:46
beidlI should stop building everything in release mode :)13:49
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sandsmarkbeidl: ah, should probably do proper error checking instead of relying on asserts :p13:58
beidlsandsmark: done that ;)13:58
beidl!registerService => exit(1).... as proper as it can be :D13:59
Merbot`beidl: Error: "registerService" is not a valid command.13:59
DevBotbeidl: Error: "registerService" is not a valid command.13:59
sandsmarkbut hmm13:59
sandsmarkwhy won't it register13:59
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beidlit works for me now. are you sure the systemd user service is not running?14:01
sandsmarkah, it was :D14:01
sandsmarksilly me14:01
sandsmarktoo much automagic14:01
sandsmarkhmmhmm, doesn't seem like the debug output from it shows up in the journal?14:02
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beidlyeah, wth14:08
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beidlthank god my owncloud instance just decided to bail out completely.. exposed a regression in the login handling14:26
beidlprobably some debian packaging shenanigans with InnoDB14:28
sandsmarkwell, I use postgres, luckily :p14:29
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sandsmarkhmm, FolderListModel is not overly fond of paths with fragments in them, apparently14:31
beidlmy teacher sweared by postgres, I never tried it though. how is its memory footprint? (running my oC instance off of 128mb RAM)14:31
sandsmarkit scales very well up and down14:31
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sandsmarkime it runs just as fine on an embedded machine with ~no memory, as a beefy server with 128GB ram14:32
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sandsmarka ton of people use it on tiny machines for quassel as well14:33
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beidlI should switch. MySQL causes me to pull my hair.14:40
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sandsmarkpostgres is a bit more strict ime, but it also has okay error messages so it makes it easy to fix bugs14:42
stephgbeidl: innodb is fine, I don't know what debian does but myisam is default out of the box most elsewhere14:43
stephgand that's the problem14:43
stephginnodb is fire-and-forget14:43
sandsmark(ime. mysql accepts too much broken stuff implicitly, sometimes without warnings, a bit like PHP)14:43
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beidlstephg: not if you are running your server on a low-spec ARM device14:59
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Nc_sandsmark, following up on yesterday's talk, I think I'm officially insane - just installed SDK v1410 instead of v1407, and initial tests don't reproduce the same behaviour as yesterday night15:11
sandsmarkmaybe 1407 just is extremely buggy15:11
sandsmarkor maybe not working with sailfishos 10?15:11
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Nc_but ... deleting random objects is a very severe bug ... just doesn't ... seem likely15:11
sandsmarkthough that should be unlikely, unless you link against something without stable ABI15:11
* Nc_ goes and fetch a couple of straightjackets15:12
Nc_yesterday it was pretty stable - 2nd time I updated colour on the lights, it would hit the destructor on one of them15:12
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Nc_now changing colours repeatedly, no crashes (*knock on wood*)15:13
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sandsmarksounds like a bug in qt itself, tbh...15:14
Nc_going berserk on temperature-settings, brightness, saturation ... no crashing ...15:14
Nc_guess that means I have to wrap up v0.2 for release, and get to work on the Logitech Harmony support15:15
sandsmarkwhat are you making=15:15
Nc_(family whining that lights in living room are ...unstable)15:15
Nc_control-app for LIFX lightbulbs, along with library for detecting and controlling IoT stuff15:15
sandsmarkoh, cool15:16
Nc_for now, library only really support LIFX, which is why the app is limited to that15:16
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meekygeekHi, Was trying to compile mozilla-central on Jolla phone. Unable to find Skia libraries. The error is :  BasicCompositor.cpp:20:56: fatal error: skia/SkCanvas.h: No such file or directory15:42
meekygeekAny prebuilt Skia libraries in repository which can be installed through pkcon or zypper?15:43
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tbrbuilding moz central *on* the jolla? that's bold15:48
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sandsmarkmozilla uses skia?15:48
sandsmarkI thought that was a chrome thing15:48
meekygeekseems so.15:48
meekygeekit uses skia foe canvas 2D15:48
Nc_Are there any advantages on Jolla/SailfishOS to use Qt::VeryCoarseTimer instead of Qt::CoarseTimer?  e.g. power-consumption?15:50
sandsmarkit's for timer coalescing, iirc15:51
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meekygeekthe skia folder is there in gfx directory. Tried to get the latest and build skia manually as well using gyp/ninja. However got an error while compile SkData.cpp15:56
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meekygeekthe error was  error: ‘SkLazyPtr’ does not name a type15:57
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meekygeekThought if there was a prebuilt binary perhaps can somehow bypass and continue the build on it.....15:58
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meekygeek*sigh* believe there is a —disable-skia flag in configure. It never gets honoured during build. Perhaps shall check in mozilla’s bugzilla to see any other settings.16:08
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meekygeekbtw, just curious. Does Jolla Browser use skia? or what library does it use to support Canvas API?16:10
sandsmarkI *think* it uses Qt for everything16:12
sandsmarkbut don't quote me on that16:12
JoshStroblI uses Gecko rather than QtWebkit however.16:12
sandsmarkwhich is annoying :D16:13
sandsmarkgecko feels sluggish16:13
JoshStroblNah, I prefer it that way16:13
JoshStroblNot really16:13
Teguyea, I kinda like gecko16:13
JoshStroblBuild a better web application.16:13
sandsmarkit does16:13
sandsmarkthere's no reason to use gecko16:13
sandsmarkand it is behind on standard support16:13
JoshStroblYes, there is a reason to use Gecko16:13
JoshStroblNo...just no.16:13
sandsmarkthat's why webrtc isn't supported in the official browser16:13
sandsmarkJoshStrobl: what is the reason?16:13
Teguand if I need webkit, I just use webcat16:13
sandsmarkit also means wasting reasources on supporting yet another browser engine16:14
JoshStroblsandsmark, WebRTC is supported in Gecko:
sandsmarkand because they are the only (afaik) users of it, they don't get any help for it16:14
sandsmarkJoshStrobl: not in sailfishos16:14
JoshStroblsandsmark, then that is the fault of Jolla for not using a newer Gecko version.16:14
sandsmarkJoshStrobl: and I prefer the tester, that *actually* tests for support16:14
sandsmarkJoshStrobl: that is exactly the problem...16:14
JoshStroblGood for you16:14
sandsmarkopen that in the default browser16:15
sandsmarkalso, the gecko codebase is a huge mess...16:15
JoshStroblsandmark, if people were to simply go only WebKit and/or Blink, we've have yet another browser monopoly, this time just revolving around an engine controlled by a few corporations.16:15
JoshStroblYes, so is Webkit16:15
tbras if blink would be that much better16:15
JoshStroblYes it is16:15
sandsmarkhave you even looked at the code?16:15
JoshStroblThere is a reason Google forked it16:15
meekygeekI believe gecko (firefox) is perhaps one of the most compliant rendering engine.16:15
sandsmarkNSS is horrible16:15
sandsmarkJoshStrobl: because they didn't want to wait for webkit maintainers to apply patches16:16
sandsmarkmeekygeek: no16:16
JoshStroblsandsmark, and because Webkit is an absolute mess with a lot of compliance issues.16:16
sandsmarkJoshStrobl: if you press tab your irc client it complets the nick, btw16:16
sandsmarkJoshStrobl: there is no good web standards16:16
JoshStroblsandsmark, thanks captain obvious16:16
sandsmarkit is only defined by what browsers support and implements16:16
sandsmarkJoshStrobl: you spelled my nick wrong16:16
JoshStroblsigh, time to use HexChat ignore functionality16:17
* tbr hauls in a strategic bucket of popcorn16:17
sandsmarkwell, you obviously have no idea what you're talking about16:17
JoshStroblThere done. Ah, much more peaceful now.16:17
sandsmarksaw that when you compared the webkit codebase to gecko16:17
JoshStroblTegu, you pretty much highlighted what I do. If I need to test QtWebkit, which Webcat uses, I use Webcat :D16:18
Tegualso I use Firefox on desktop ^^16:18
sandsmarkthat just highlights the problem with gecko not following the standards16:18
JoshStroblAnd Chrome16:19
meekygeeksandsmark: webkit has limited support for webcomponents. They removed support for shadowdom and again indexeddb doesnt have blob support.16:19
sandsmarkTegu: that's a really bad idea, it doesn't do proper sandboxing16:19
sandsmarkTegu: => pretty huge security risk16:19
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sandsmarkTegu: it needs to do stuff like this before I would even consider using it:
JoshStrobltbr, hey, share that popcorn!16:20
* tbr hands JoshStrobl a bowl16:20
* JoshStrobl starts munching.16:20
sandsmarkunfortunately mozilla is wasting their extremely limited manpower on stuff like a custom pdf parser/renderer16:20
sandsmarkand because of the state of the gecko codebase they attract very few third-party developers16:21
tbrStskeepz: popcorn? beer? have a seat…16:23
JoshStrobltbr, is the drama still occurring?16:23
Nc_sandsmark, firefox might be insecure, but at least it is buttslow16:23
JoshStroblI'll take Nc_ remark as a yes.16:24
Stskeepznow, guys, we can flame all we want somewhere else.. :P16:24
sandsmarkyeah, hopefully heap spraying might be interrupted before it finishes :P16:24
sandsmarkthough their javascript engine is faster than v8 now, iirc.16:24
kimmolihmm why merobs not updating rpm in repo?16:24
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Outlandermozilla yeah, i worry about them sometimes16:26
Outlanderinvesting in pdf files...hmm lol16:26
kimmolilbt: around ?16:26
Outlanderthey're trying to rewrite their browser in rust to be 100% memory safe?16:27
Outlandersounds noble16:27
JoshStroblOutlander, last I checked they aren't rewriting it yet.16:27
sandsmarkwell, it will probably help a lot, but they haven't even started on a js engine16:27
sandsmarkJoshStrobl: servo16:27
meekygeekPDF renderer, wasnt lot of effort. It was a javascript, renderer and thought it was a crosscompiler using emscripten and asm.js16:27
JoshStroblOutlander, they are waiting for Rust to be in an API stable state.16:27
sandsmarkrust and servo are developed more or less in lockstep16:28
sandsmarkmeekygeek: it was just an example of what they're using engineers on, they have a lot of projects like that16:28
Outlanderyeah rust is reallly really annoying when it changes all the time16:28
sandsmarkbut yeah, stop ranting16:28
JoshStroblAny programming language is.16:29
sandsmarkrust is nice, though16:29
Outlanderrust looks cool, really cool.16:29
Outlanderthey just need to get to 1.0 really fast, cos they're annoying lots of developers16:29
sandsmarkNc_: mozilla's new programming language16:29
meekygeekhmmm hope mozilla doesnt *rust* using rust16:29
sandsmarkOutlander: it is pretty fast already16:29
JoshStroblI just start writing in Go (I dabbled with it back in 2011). Really loving it.16:29
Outlandergolang kinda makes me vomit in my own mouth a bit16:29
JoshStroblOutlander, how so?16:29
sandsmarkOutlander: yeah, same here16:29
sandsmarktried using it for a small project, just gave up half-way through16:30
Outlanderthe fact that it's not actually offering anything over other languages other than speed, traded off by being just easier to use than C16:30
meekygeeknever tried either rust or go. perhaps shall give rust a try16:30
Outlanderit just seems like golang will leave a horrible legacy of unmaintainable filthy code16:30
JoshStroblOutlander, it's concurrency model is boss, its core packages are awesome, and it is fast (which you already stated)16:30
sandsmarkyeah, rust is getting pretty fast as well16:31
sandsmarkI *think* it has surpassed golang, at least using idiomatic code16:31
JoshStroblI mean, I'm not one to get into a holy war over programming languages. Rust seems interesting and I think it'll fill the niche of writing a browser engine better than golang.16:32
Outlanderthe promise of memory safe code, along with concurrency is a better one from Rust from the initial looks I've had at both16:32
JoshStroblI look forward to Rust being API stable and Mozilla working on a new engine with it.16:32
sandsmarksomething completely different; has anyone gotten Qt.labs.folderlistmodel to work with folders with #'s in their name?16:33
JoshStroblOutlander, whether one someone likes a concurrency model of a language over another is subjective. I don't argue with subjective statements ;)16:33
JoshStrobl*whether someone16:33
Outlandermy point was, rust does it good enough not to choose golang over it16:34
JoshStroblOutlander, it depends on your use case. I don't see myself writing web application backends in Rust.16:34
Outlanderand the compiler for rust is awesome at giving you hints on what to fix16:34
JoshStroblOutlander, yes, go build does the same.16:34
sandsmarkah, yes16:34
sandsmarkthe rust error messages are awesome16:35
sandsmarkat least if you're coming from c++16:35
OutlanderI was trying to get a library working that was broken due to rust changes, I also had to fix a few dependent libraries as well, and without knowing all that much, I was able to get pretty far by using the compiler hints on how to fix what was broken16:35
meekygeek*going to sleep* *yawn*16:35
Outlanderit was a nice change from obscure errors16:35
Outlandernigth meekygeek16:35
Outlandernight even16:35
JoshStroblOutlander, right. That isn't something specific to Rust though, a lot of modern compilers like tsc (Typescript compiler) and golang's go compiler(go build) provide the same pointers to errors.16:36
meekygeekOutander, sandsmark, JoshStrobi: Happy hacking, catch you later !!!16:37
sandsmarkmeekygeek: goodnight!16:37
JoshStroblbye meekygeek!16:37
sandsmarkanother problem (in my personal opinion) with golang is that I'm not really a big fan of google16:37
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JoshStroblOutlander, one of the things I do like about Rust is the fact you need to declare a variable as mutable, rather than most languages which require you to state a variable as immutable.16:38
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kimmolithis looks ok  but in download repo, still old version
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Outlanderyeah that's a nice default16:47
Outlanderadding to more safety and to being forced to think ahead16:48
Outlandersome of the ideas used in Rust are really exciting, to the point where if I was to contribute to a language by writing libraries, I'd probably spend my valuable time contributing to something like Rust16:48
JoshStroblWhere do you see Rust being adopted aside from Mozilla?16:49
Outlanderanywhere that needs to be memory safe16:49
Outlanderwhich might be any attack vector where buffer overflows and other memory attacks are common ways in16:50
Outlanderthat being said, how many memory type attacks happen to erlang?16:50
OutlanderAPIs, services, but perhaps just any large software project too that would benefit from memory safety being baked in from the start up front16:51
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Outlanderyou need a rockstar app/company to promote a language though I rekon, to get it market share16:52
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Outlandernot sure mozilla is the rockstar company, so might instead need a rockstar browser instead, but browsers are not quick things to code and get mature16:52
JoshStroblIt isn't just about promotion, it is also about integration with services likes Google Apps Engine.16:53
JoshStroblIf people are going to be using a language for web applications, they'll also want to be able to scale it easily. So, having support for the language, including any necessary libs for that particular engine they'll be running it on, is important.16:54
JoshStroblI think providing a web engine as a sole "major" example of the programming language's use case is too niche. If you want to appeal to a larger developer audience, you need grander developer stories.16:55
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r0kk3rzhey guys, I wrote up a how-to guide for getting your sailfishos app built on MerOBS >>
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r0kk3rzfor anyone interested17:17
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stephgr0kk3rz: cool17:18
r0kk3rzsince I figured it out yesterday and was surprised at how easy it was17:19
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OutlanderWhat's the experience like for getting SailfishOS apps into the app store (Jolla app store I guess?)17:22
OutlanderJoshStrobl: yeah support for what you want to do with a language is kinda a big point17:24
OutlanderI mean, there's the std lib for all language usually, but there should also be some kind of standard library support list that people can check against a new language to know if it's "ready"17:24
Outlanderalong with the maturity details of each of the libraries in that list17:24
arvuthow come changing mac address makes the wlan unconnectable? I was able to set a new one on my n9 with the same commands and get a new ip, but when I do it on my jolla I just get a 169... address17:25
Outlanderpotentially with levels of library support, where level 1 is the base and supports the top x cloud providers, top x database technologies,etc,etc17:25
arvutifconfig wlan0 down && ifconfig wlan0 hw ether 00:11:22:33:44:55 && ifconfig wlan0 up17:27
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arvutis what I did17:27
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r0kk3rzOutlander: if the harbour validator in the sailfishos sdk passes, then getting your app in harbor is normally pretty easy17:40
r0kk3rzbut the list of allowed includes is fairly short17:40
Nokiuskimmoli: still a bit shocked when my Jolla starts to blink :P Thanks17:42
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kimmoliNokius: .)17:51
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kimmolir0kk3rz: there is also wh -script which handles creation of mer-obs project and _service file17:57
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r0kk3rzyeah i know, but that involves being setup with OSC17:58
r0kk3rzwhere as its not such a big deal to do it through the web interface anyway17:58
kimmolibtw, for me, my repo is not updating18:00
kimmolithere hasn't been much activities today, so can't say is it just me or something wron with mer-obs18:01
r0kk3rzsounds like a job for tbr and lbt18:01
r0kk3rzi got nfi, only really figured out how to use OBS over the last couple of days18:02
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kimmolii admit, i s**k with these abbreviations and searched for nfi, made a typo, ended up here
r0kk3rznfi = no fucking idea, in common australian parlance18:07
kimmolii know that now .)18:08
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qt_junkieen jaEnEn18:27
qt_junkieoops, sorry.18:28
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KingOfTheJewsCan install Sailfish on my Nexus 5 Without using a buggy and hacked together version yet?20:04
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KingOfTheJewsWell have a nice day20:08
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sandsmarkcan someone think of some more useful features?:
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Nc_In case anyone was interested in seeing screenshots from my LIFX app (since the intersection between LIFX and Jolla appears to be ca 2 people, I assume most of you wouldn't get to see it):
M4rtinKNc_: interesting! :)23:06
Nc_not exactly more professional UI, but functional, I think23:07
M4rtinKlooks god on a quick look :)23:09
M4rtinKmaybe add support for using volume keys for manipulating the light ? :)23:10
M4rtinKcould be a nice touch :)23:10
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Nc_M4rtinK, totally agree, if I knew how xD ... will take mental note of it, investigate once I've fixed a few things - and thanks :)23:11
M4rtinKlet me know if you need any pointers :)23:12
M4rtinKI got volume keys working in modRana :)23:12
Nc_Feel free to throw pointers at me - links to examples, documentation etc, and I'll add it to my list of stuff to get to23:13
M4rtinKNc_: well, this is how I do that: :)23:18
M4rtinKthat should more or less cover it :)23:19
Nc_...that looks VERY simple :p23:19
M4rtinKjust note that it is of course not Harbor compatible :)23:19
M4rtinKlike well about any useful API :D23:19
Nc_my app requires changing low-level network settings, because Jolla thinks being a modern mobile-OS is too much of a hassle - pretty sure my app won't make it into Harbour any time soon :D23:20
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M4rtinKthen no problem :)23:29
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Nc_M4rtinK, mordant is confirmed to run on various platforms, but not Jolla? (reading the
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M4rtinKmodRana ? :)23:39
M4rtinKsure it does23:39
M4rtinKmost probably just another stale README I forgot to update :)23:39
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Nc_yeah, I really need to kill that autocorrect in xChat23:45
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