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| Toxip | Does anyone know any good Qt QML C++ tutorials? | 09:26 |
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| r0kk3rz | Toxip: whats your background? | 09:26 |
| Toxip | I'm a 3rd year IT student with basic knowledge of C++ and some QML | 09:27 |
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| Toxip | I've been coding this small game with QML but I stil don't know much about the basics of Qt QML C++ programming... | 09:29 |
| r0kk3rz | got a good handle on signals and slots? | 09:29 |
| Toxip | Mostly learned by trial and error and reading the Qt documentation | 09:30 |
| r0kk3rz | qt docs are good though | 09:30 |
| Toxip | yeah, they are, they've got me pretty far | 09:30 |
| r0kk3rz | theres a bunch of technical articles about signals and slots, and other core qt things | 09:30 |
| Toxip | I'm still a fledgeling developer so technical articles might not be the thing for me... step by step tutorials would be nice | 09:32 |
| r0kk3rz | its not so technical | 09:32 |
| r0kk3rz | just higher level | 09:33 |
| r0kk3rz | tutorials are dangerous if you dont know your core concepts | 09:33 |
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| r0kk3rz | and how it all actually works | 09:33 |
| r0kk3rz | http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-4.8/signalsandslots.html | 09:34 |
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| r0kk3rz | you would have used them already | 09:35 |
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| Toxip | thanks, I'll start reading this :) | 09:36 |
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| kimmoli | i was doing queue for my signals, and then noticed that qt queues signals. only thing is that i didn't find a easy way to check how long the queue is... | 09:38 |
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| leszek | any news on the next update ? I hope it will include a fix for webview and devicepixelratio. This hack https://github.com/llelectronics/webcat/blob/master/qml/pages/helper/userscript.js seems to work on almost every site but some just make the webview crash and I don't want to start blacklisting/whitelisting sites | 09:39 |
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| Morpog_PC | heard update "may" come as early access next week | 09:45 |
| Morpog_PC | they had to rebuild the world because of that glibc security fix | 09:46 |
| BearT | is there already a (preliminary) changelog for the update? | 09:47 |
| r0kk3rz | not that ive seen | 09:47 |
| Morpog_PC | only that outview for next months | 09:47 |
| leszek | yeah. Hopefully they either introduce a patch (ubuntu has a simple and easy one) for devicePixelRatio or they compiled it correctly with a sailfish plattform config that sets a sane value | 09:48 |
| Morpog_PC | new browser ui will be in u11 for sure | 09:48 |
| r0kk3rz | yaaaaay new browser ui | 09:48 |
| BearT | thanks, so let's wait until the update is rolled out and see what they did. | 09:48 |
| leszek | otherwise I don't see any sense on developing further on webcat as I was complaining about this error from day one I got my Jolla and its more than a year ago and the bug is still unfixed | 09:48 |
| Toxip | the new ui looks pretty nice | 09:49 |
| Morpog_PC | and U12 could have private browsing support | 09:49 |
| leszek | and I am really a little pissed | 09:49 |
| Morpog_PC | update roadmap: https://www.mail-archive.com/devel@lists.sailfishos.org/msg05460.html | 09:50 |
| BearT | Morpog_PC, thanks for the link to the roadmap | 09:50 |
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| Morpog_PC | I can't wait for the imap idle/push support :D | 09:51 |
| leszek | yeah the roadmap looks promising. I wish they would make the notification page only a little like a blackberry hub. I want to see what messages I got from whom without opening the main application for it | 09:52 |
| leszek | And I demand a better API for gods sake. There is still no standard file picker that really works and no sharing api to hook into or a gui for xdg-mimetypes. I am so close to write my own little gui for at least the mimetype thingy :P | 09:53 |
| Morpog_PC | give them some more developers :D | 09:55 |
| leszek | yeah :) The main problem for me as a developer are the lacks in the api currently. Bugs are almost all gone (except the clipboard that occassionally refuses to work) | 09:56 |
| leszek | If the api gets better more developers could be tempted to code something | 09:56 |
| r0kk3rz | well now they have qt5.2 in, and version support in the store | 09:57 |
| r0kk3rz | they should be bringing new things in | 09:57 |
| leszek | but reimplementing the wheel (e.g. everyone needs to write its own file picker and hack around things that aren't implemented yet) is a showstopper for many developers | 09:57 |
| Yaniel | nice, sse2 support on the tablet | 09:58 |
| r0kk3rz | i have all the components i need to write a filepicker | 09:58 |
| r0kk3rz | need to stitch them together | 09:58 |
| kimmoli | it didnt stop me, and i'm not even a developer | 09:58 |
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| leszek | r0kk3rz: we need a native one a silica component one. I don't want that every app uses its own implementation of a file picker with its own limitations or problems | 09:59 |
| Morpog_PC | I agree with leszek | 09:59 |
| r0kk3rz | sure, but there isnt a QML treeview yet... | 10:00 |
| Stskeeps | Yaniel: well, it turns out that if you build for i486 only, not i686, it doesn't autodetect any of sse2/ssse3/etc | 10:01 |
| Stskeeps | in glibc | 10:01 |
| leszek | I have a friend who wanted to code a nice little app for home automation. And on my advise as he is a qml lover he tried to do it with the sailfish sdk but he ended up coding the app for windows phone as he said he had to much to implement that is already there as standard component in wp. If he would write it for SailfishOS he would have spend more time on such components as on the main app itself | 10:01 |
| Yaniel | ah | 10:01 |
| Morpog_PC | are there x86 cpu's out there without min sse3 support? | 10:02 |
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| tbr | Morpog_PC: pentium4 and embedded descendants of such | 10:03 |
| Stskeeps | Morpog_PC: ssse3 isn't pervasive | 10:03 |
| leszek | Morpog_PC: or there are even cpus without sse2 support out there :P | 10:03 |
| Stskeeps | well, intel gaileo.. | 10:03 |
| leszek | and even without PAE :P Looking at you pentium m | 10:03 |
| tbr | that would have been fun with meego still around "umm we can't put meego on it, because, ummm" | 10:03 |
| Stskeeps | didn't they opt for a RTOS eventually on that thing? | 10:05 |
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| Morpog_PC | tbr, well cou's of the last 5 years of course | 10:07 |
| Morpog_PC | cpu's | 10:07 |
| tbr | just as there are weird ARM configurations, there are weird x86 configurations out there | 10:09 |
| coderus | what is the option for mb2 to do shadow building? | 10:12 |
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| Stskeeps | on a totally off topic thing.. besides knowing CPR/first aid, what is there should be mandatory for being a good citizen? | 10:51 |
| tbr | that quickly gets very philosophical | 10:53 |
| Stskeeps | indeed | 10:53 |
| Niju | Be firm, but fair | 10:54 |
| tbr | societal integration is a general direction in this | 10:54 |
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| tbr | it goes across the board, general knowledge of societal norms and laws, aspects of culture, etc | 10:57 |
| tbr | wheaton's law too | 10:57 |
| r0kk3rz | not being a dick and helping people out | 10:57 |
| r0kk3rz | but you said 'mandatory', and i dont like rules, so nothing :P | 10:58 |
| Stskeeps | i think it's fair to say that smartphones have made us more self-centric :P | 10:58 |
| Stskeeps | which is odd for such a device | 10:58 |
| r0kk3rz | not really phones as such | 10:59 |
| r0kk3rz | what the phones connect to | 10:59 |
| r0kk3rz | ie the vapid world of social media | 10:59 |
| r0kk3rz | and unlimited cat pictures and funny youtube videos | 11:00 |
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| tbr | Stskeeps: here, look in the mirror: http://www.nextnature.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/all-this-technology-is-making-us-anti-social.jpg | 11:10 |
| Stskeeps | hehe :) | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | all this 'look down' technology.. | 11:11 |
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| Niju | We never look at the stars and dream anymore | 11:14 |
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| leszek | pushed out a small bugfix release of webcat right now. It should fix problems with clicking links and longpresses on talk.maemo.org . A strange bug as it only appeared there I guess | 11:49 |
| leszek | ah and tagesschau.de is also fixed now (whoever coded that website I wanna kick his ass) | 11:52 |
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| stephg | afternoon | 13:23 |
| Stskeeps | afternoon stephg | 13:24 |
| stephg | \o | 13:24 |
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| stephg | so hopefully my Pi2s should arrive this afternoon | 13:25 |
| stephg | which is kinda exciting | 13:25 |
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| pp | already have mine :-) | 13:26 |
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| stephg | pp have you got anything mer-ish on it/them yet? :) | 13:27 |
| pp | nah, it's going to be a kodi box :-) | 13:27 |
| stephg | ooh | 13:28 |
| pp | The big noisy pc must go from the living room, it looks ugly! | 13:28 |
| pp | ... streaming over ssh sucked, must optimize :P | 13:28 |
| pp | but 1080p seems to work fine | 13:28 |
| stephg | that's good to know | 13:28 |
| pp | most likely will do nfsv4 but that requires a bit of twiddling as all my boxes have public ip's | 13:29 |
| stephg | your house is unprotected on the internet? ;) | 13:29 |
| pp | I don't have any kit that couldn't be on a public wifi just fine :-) | 13:30 |
| pp | (ps4 listening on ipv6 when it's off is a bit worrying) | 13:31 |
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| stephg | heh cool | 13:33 |
| stephg | (tho not about the PS4) | 13:33 |
| pp | I suppose I should setup a vlan or somesuch for internet of 0wn3d things kit | 13:34 |
| stephg | I deliberately got a couple so I could have one for tinkering with fish-ey things here | 13:34 |
| stephg | well segmentation is always good | 13:34 |
| stephg | these lend themselves nicely now that they're v7 with neon | 13:37 |
| stephg | pp your 1080p was that with local media or over the network? | 13:41 |
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| Nokius__ | tbr :D | 14:31 |
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| Nokius__ | locusf: looks like I have to try again to build Kodi | 16:12 |
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| locusf | Nokius__: ok, why ping me :D ? | 16:19 |
| Nokius__ | locusf: your minnowboard work reminds me | 16:20 |
| locusf | Nokius__: ah ok :) | 16:22 |
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| coderus | Application for controlling incoming SSH connections using pam: https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/ssh-access-confirmation | 18:03 |
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| Nicd- | hm, is it possible, when using a Repeater, to check when all the elements have been instantiated? | 19:34 |
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| Nicd- | I have a combobox and its contextmenu contains a repeater. I set the repeater's model to a listmodel but I can't set the the combobox's currentIndex until the repeater has created all the elements | 19:36 |
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| locusf | Component.onCompleted on combobox? | 19:56 |
| coderus | Nicd-: when Repeater have count == model.count it means it initiated | 19:56 |
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| Nicd- | coderus: good idea | 20:03 |
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| Nicd- | hmh, dunno where to run it. if I run it in the onItemAdded signal, console.log prints that the currentIndex of the combobox is correct but it still always has the first value selected | 20:08 |
| coderus | Nicd-: what are you doing? | 20:10 |
| coderus | http://sailfishdev.tumblr.com/post/86417133152/long-list-inside-combobox | 20:10 |
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| Nicd- | trying to populate a combobox in my settings page based on a list in javascript so it has a certain index preselected (the one the user has saved into the settings) | 20:11 |
| coderus | use my solution | 20:11 |
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| coderus | after destroying and creating new view cover actions doesn't appear :O | 20:29 |
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| tzafrir | I asked yesterday about setting fonts for my language | 20:32 |
| tzafrir | Looking at /usr/share/fonts I see the Droid fonts there. Those should have coverage for the glyphs of my language (Hebrew) | 20:33 |
| tzafrir | Still, I get squares when I look at contacts with Hebrew characters | 20:34 |
| tzafrir | And to a simpler question: how do I install less? | 20:37 |
| tzafrir | pkcon does not seem to find a package called less. | 20:37 |
| Nicd- | you need the mer-tools repo | 20:38 |
| Yaniel | ssu er mer-tools ? | 20:38 |
| kimmoli | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92036 | 20:38 |
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| tzafrir | How do I add the mer-tools repo? The link frm this URL seems to be broken | 20:41 |
| tzafrir | And searching the name gives a few confusing hits | 20:42 |
| Nicd- | tzafrir: try what Yaniel said | 20:42 |
| Nicd- | then pkcon refresh | 20:42 |
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| tzafrir | Still package 'less' does not exist and nothing proivdes /usr/bin/less | 20:46 |
| Yaniel | ssu lr should list mer-tools | 20:47 |
| Yaniel | not sure if the command to enable it was ssu ar or ssu er | 20:47 |
| Nicd- | I think it was ar | 20:48 |
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| tzafrir | ar seems to have helped | 20:49 |
| tzafrir | I'll note that no error was returned in either way | 20:50 |
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| tzafrir | Regarding the font: any idea where the list of fonts in the end of http://forum.jollausers.com/sailfish-news/default-font/ comes from? | 21:00 |
| Nicd- | thanks coderus, I got it to work | 21:01 |
| Nicd- | though for some reason the settings page is awfully slow... | 21:01 |
| Nicd- | well, seems it's only slow when I run from qt creator | 21:02 |
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| coderus | Nicd-: how many items in your repeater? | 21:14 |
| Nicd- | 6 | 21:14 |
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| coderus | tzafrir: fc-list in terminal | 21:14 |
| coderus | Nicd-: and how namy items in settings? | 21:15 |
| coderus | but yes, using invoker qml application is boosted :) | 21:15 |
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| Nicd- | there's only one table with one row in the settings :P | 21:16 |
| tzafrir | hmm.... I ended up copying over the Culmus fonts after seing it was mentioned in a file under /etc/fonts/conf.d | 21:16 |
| tzafrir | I couldn't figure how to refresh the list of fonts (fc-cache didn't help) | 21:17 |
| tzafrir | So I rebooted, and it worked | 21:17 |
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| coderus | tzafrir: :D | 21:18 |
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| tzafrir | Where should I file a bug for Hebrew fonts? | 21:19 |
| tzafrir | Droid Sans Hebrew should display Hebrew out of the box | 21:20 |
| coderus | tzafrir: where? | 21:21 |
| coderus | there is only tjc | 21:21 |
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| tzafrir | coderus, in a Jolla phone, but also in SailfishOS in general, I guess. | 21:22 |
| tzafrir | What is tjc? | 21:22 |
| ottulo | together.jolla.com | 21:23 |
| tzafrir | Is there a separate bug tracker for sailfishos or for mer? | 21:24 |
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| tbr | for mer there is a proper tracker | 21:24 |
| tbr | for sailfish there is tjc | 21:24 |
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| tzafrir | So where should this be reported? In tjc? | 21:25 |
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| coderus | tzafrir: tjc | 21:40 |
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| tzafrir | Added some comments on https://together.jolla.com/question/12370 | 22:00 |
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