| mahasamoot | is there a rom I can download for my Galaxy S4 (SGH-M919)? | 00:00 |
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| mahasamoot | the website was just talking about sdks | 00:00 |
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| Yaniel | look for hadk | 00:01 |
| mahasamoot | ok | 00:02 |
| Yaniel | and I don't think there is a rom like for cyanogenmod | 00:04 |
| Yaniel | but I might be wrong, iirc nexus4 was the most tested device so far or so | 00:04 |
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| mahasamoot | yeah, it's not avaiable yet/ever? | 00:10 |
| kimmoli | SDK seems to require Microsoft Visual C++ 2010 Redistributable Package (x86) .. would expect it to install it, not just give unexpected error -1073741515 | 00:11 |
| kimmoli | on windows.. | 00:11 |
| kimmoli | or merssh.exe requires it more speoifically | 00:12 |
| mahasamoot | MS Visual C++ yikes! I'm on Linux, so much for the idea of porting Sailfish to my phone. | 00:17 |
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| lachs0r | kimmoli: I thought that version of msvcrt is bundled with windows 7 and newer anyway (and vista should get it through windows update) | 02:24 |
| lachs0r | might be wrong of course | 02:24 |
| lachs0r | (I don’t have any computers running windows) | 02:25 |
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| Juuba | hmmh | 05:48 |
| Juuba | unable to change Outlook/Exchange password | 05:48 |
| Juuba | it just wont save it | 05:48 |
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| jaacoppi | anyone seen this? http://jaakkoroppola.blogspot.fi/2015/03/sailfish-os-growing-pains.html | 07:32 |
| alterego | yup :P | 07:33 |
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| zGrr | moin :) | 07:39 |
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| Juuba | 07:48 < Juuba> unable to change Outlook/Exchange password | 07:45 |
| Juuba | 07:48 < Juuba> it just wont save it | 07:45 |
| Juuba | any comments on this? | 07:45 |
| Juuba | hmm, havent tried rebooting... guess that can't hurt | 07:46 |
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| sledges | Yaniel: i wonder why people don't discover #sailfishos-porters , hadk is pretty distinct when googling | 08:27 |
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| sledges | we have a handful of ROMs available, and linux on PC is prerequisite for porting new device | 08:28 |
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| chem|st | sledges: I have a new device for you^^ Aigo Patriot... it is a 16GB Jolla Tablet copy should be easy to port that! | 09:20 |
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| zGrr | My first thought was that #sailfilshos-portes is application porters, so it can be because of confusion. | 09:45 |
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| duke_leto | Hello :) Where should my app save user authentication data? Is there some standard way? | 09:53 |
| tortoisedoc | duke_leto : http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qstandardpaths.html | 09:54 |
| tortoisedoc | i do not recall which one is the correct one in this case, but the path is in /home/nemo/.config/<harbour-app-name>/ folder | 09:55 |
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| duke_leto | tortoisedoc: thanks :) Is that path somehow protected from other apps? | 09:56 |
| leszek | duke_leto: here is an example for standard paths https://github.com/sailfish-sdk/xdg-helper/blob/master/README.qt5 | 09:56 |
| tortoisedoc | duke_leto : not really | 09:56 |
| tortoisedoc | duke_leto : (at least afaik) | 09:57 |
| duke_leto | is that something I should think about? I mean, something I can do something about? | 09:57 |
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| duke_leto | After all, I don’t want another app to read my users’ credentials… | 09:58 |
| leszek | duke_leto: then you need to encrypt the credentials with a key only known by you (and hardcoded in the binary you ship) | 09:58 |
| tortoisedoc | understandable | 09:58 |
| tortoisedoc | leszek : that can be easily dumped | 09:59 |
| tortoisedoc | and if the key is the same for all apps, well.... | 09:59 |
| leszek | yeah but its harder then just reading out the config | 09:59 |
| tortoisedoc | its not a problem with an easy solution | 09:59 |
| leszek | 100% safety isn't possible | 09:59 |
| tortoisedoc | definitely | 09:59 |
| duke_leto | yes, it’s as far as one can go without prompting for credentials every time the app is started | 10:00 |
| tortoisedoc | but actually | 10:00 |
| tortoisedoc | what you need | 10:00 |
| tortoisedoc | if we think about asym keys | 10:00 |
| tortoisedoc | is the public key in the app | 10:00 |
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| tortoisedoc | cause you do not need to decode the password | 10:01 |
| tortoisedoc | so what you actually could do, is generate a public key on the fly, ditch the private key and use it to encode the passwords | 10:01 |
| tortoisedoc | of course this assumes you would be able to keep the public key somewhere on the phone | 10:02 |
| tortoisedoc | but hey, this would give you one-way locker | 10:02 |
| tortoisedoc | so it should do the trick no? | 10:02 |
| duke_leto | huh… I don’t think I understand what you’re trying to do | 10:02 |
| duke_leto | encode the password with a private key I can forget afterwards. | 10:03 |
| duke_leto | encrypt* | 10:03 |
| duke_leto | Save the public key… where? | 10:04 |
| duke_leto | If it’s in that default config dir, it’s readable by other apps again, so we have the same problem | 10:04 |
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| duke_leto | what am I missing? | 10:06 |
| leszek | duke_leto: In my opinion there is no easy way currently. | 10:07 |
| daitheflu | that's where sandboxing comes into mind | 10:07 |
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| duke_leto | okay, thanks for your input, leszek and tortoisedoc. | 10:08 |
| leszek | daitheflu: or selinux rules | 10:09 |
| duke_leto | daitheflu: Are you thinking of anything in particular? | 10:09 |
| duke_leto | Okay, let’s assume a standard Sailfish installation :-) | 10:09 |
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| leszek | duke_leto: currently you have to trust that no other app will read any credentials of your database | 10:10 |
| leszek | everything else are ideas for the future | 10:10 |
| duke_leto | I see, thanks again :) | 10:11 |
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| tortoisedoc | duke_leto : you encode with the public key | 10:11 |
| daitheflu | leszek: yep, to me SELinux is "some kind of sandboxing" | 10:11 |
| tortoisedoc | private key you use for decoding :) | 10:11 |
| duke_leto | well yes, it’ll work the other way round as well, iirc… except then it’s called signing ;-) but if i keep the public key secret, what’s the difference? | 10:11 |
| tortoisedoc | its a public key, you do not need to keep it secret :P | 10:12 |
| duke_leto | i know | 10:12 |
| tortoisedoc | also, in that way you do not have to bundle it in all apps | 10:12 |
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| tortoisedoc | aka each installation will have its own key | 10:12 |
| tortoisedoc | which makes it alot more robust no? | 10:12 |
| tortoisedoc | but, just my 2 cents here :) its your project and your decisions :) | 10:13 |
| duke_leto | okay, then I’ll have to keep the secret key secret, same problems | 10:13 |
| duke_leto | or add a passphrase which has to be entered when I want to get the credentials, so i could just as well let the user enter their credentials… | 10:14 |
| daitheflu | duke_leto: I was thinking about iOS sandboxing, SELinux, AppArmor, or whatever | 10:14 |
| tortoisedoc | or ditch the private key :) | 10:14 |
| tortoisedoc | see, you do not need to decode the password ever | 10:14 |
| tortoisedoc | so basically the private key is useless | 10:14 |
| duke_leto | how would that work for http basic auth over https??? | 10:14 |
| tortoisedoc | you only need to encode passwords to match them against the original one | 10:14 |
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| tortoisedoc | you authenticate over https? | 10:15 |
| duke_leto | I need to get the password string, just sending the encrypted one won’t work | 10:15 |
| tortoisedoc | you should definitely NOT send passwords over the net | 10:15 |
| duke_leto | Now, *that* wasn’t my decision :D | 10:15 |
| duke_leto | It’s a REST service. | 10:16 |
| tortoisedoc | duke_leto : have a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffie%E2%80%93Hellman_key_exchange | 10:16 |
| Nicd- | nothing wrong with basic auth over https assuming you validate the certificates | 10:16 |
| tortoisedoc | https gives you a secure transport | 10:16 |
| Nicd- | other than having to store the username-password locally | 10:16 |
| duke_leto | Nicd-: That were my thoughts | 10:16 |
| duke_leto | thanks, tortoisedoc. The infrastructure is not really in my hands atm. I *could* try to grab that project, I think it’s currently not manned, but well… I’d rather make some more apps than another REST backend | 10:18 |
| tortoisedoc | duke_leto : as said, your call - my 2 cents, there is never enough security :) | 10:19 |
| duke_leto | I guess I’ll just save the username and let them enter their Password on startup of the app… | 10:19 |
| tortoisedoc | another option is that you let your serverside give you a public key | 10:19 |
| tortoisedoc | but that goes back to the backend | 10:20 |
| tortoisedoc | (as in it relates to it) | 10:20 |
| tortoisedoc | actually | 10:20 |
| duke_leto | tortoisedoc: And doesn’t free me of the need to keep that secret from other apps | 10:20 |
| tortoisedoc | if you do it diffie-hellman style, you won't need to store anything | 10:20 |
| tortoisedoc | you just need the two tokens, calculate the crc and provide it to the server side | 10:20 |
| tortoisedoc | but yes, that will require you to enter the pass each time :/ | 10:21 |
| tortoisedoc | dang | 10:21 |
| tortoisedoc | how about oauth and things like this | 10:22 |
| duke_leto | well, atm I’m in no position to change anything on the server side | 10:22 |
| daitheflu | duke_leto: if the server side supports OAuth, that could be a lead | 10:23 |
| duke_leto | okay, I’ll need to look that up | 10:24 |
| duke_leto | If I get that right, the user will have to enter a password to authenticate at the Identity Provider / API Provider. Is that so? | 10:26 |
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| daitheflu | I wonder how the web browser stores credentials you ask it to remember | 10:26 |
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| tortoisedoc | duke_leto : correct, then you will be given a token, which can be used as a placeholder to access the service | 10:27 |
| tortoisedoc | and has a certain validity | 10:27 |
| tortoisedoc | (time limited) | 10:27 |
| duke_leto | so I can just ask the user for their password directly… at least, from a usability perspective, that would be the same | 10:27 |
| tortoisedoc | and this token is supposedly fine to be stored as-is | 10:27 |
| duke_leto | oh, okay | 10:27 |
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| tortoisedoc | at least in the few pieces of social software I have seen it is done like this, | 10:28 |
| duke_leto | so I could ask for a 5-day token, for example | 10:28 |
| tortoisedoc | I have no idea if it is best practice tho :) | 10:28 |
| duke_leto | and the user would be free of password prompts for that time | 10:28 |
| daitheflu | tortoisedoc: at least you don't store credentials | 10:28 |
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| tortoisedoc | yes | 10:31 |
| * tortoisedoc notices iekku again not being present here | 10:32 | |
| tortoisedoc | grumble | 10:32 |
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| daitheflu | duke_leto: i might be a good occasion to revive this thread on TJC : https://together.jolla.com/question/16259/credential-storage-security-issues/ | 10:33 |
| tortoisedoc | wooohoooo more snow :D | 10:34 |
| tortoisedoc | that's exactly what we need :D | 10:34 |
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| duke_leto | snow? | 10:36 |
| zGrr | it's nothing unusual in finland, is it? | 10:37 |
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| tortoisedoc | zGrr : no surprise there; except yesterday I was happily grilling, and today not anymore | 10:38 |
| kimmoli | tortoisedoc: :) | 10:38 |
| duke_leto | bbs | 10:38 |
| kimmoli | barbesnow? | 10:38 |
| zGrr | grilling in the middle of winter? :) | 10:38 |
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| tortoisedoc | middle of winder my ass, its spring + 4 today already | 10:44 |
| tortoisedoc | ;) | 10:44 |
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| bluszcz | thats a good news about qtposition in harbour, any idea when it will be available? | 12:40 |
| bluszcz | btw, is it ok that my mobile is swapping: 57156k | 12:43 |
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| mal- | don't know if they use the most recent sdk-harbour-rpmvalidator | 12:44 |
| mal- | but the latest release has it already | 12:44 |
| mal- | which was released yesterday | 12:44 |
| bluszcz | yes, I seen merged pull request - but I don't know how does it fit into harbour 'process' | 12:49 |
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| kontio | bluszcz: mal-: we will take new rpmvalidator into use with one of the next updates, so do not yet submit apps with qtpositioning in it... | 12:57 |
| mal- | ok | 12:58 |
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| bluszcz | kontio: ok :) | 13:09 |
| bluszcz | is there any recommended way to unittest in sailfishos (apps development)? I found qt quick test, but any helpers test runners or anything more? | 13:10 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | bluszcz: no test runner, but you can write a basic test script | 13:15 |
| SfietKonstantinW | I mean, loop in your <build>/test/ dir with a shell script | 13:15 |
| bluszcz | ok | 13:16 |
| x86 | hey guys, when I do listmodel.clear() in SilicaListView, and leave it empty, why does my listview show what listmodel used to contain and doesen't display nothing as it should since it's model *should* be empty? | 13:19 |
| coderus | x86: show your code | 13:20 |
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| x86 | coderus: Just found the error, sorry for bothering :( | 13:29 |
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| coderus | x86: cool :) | 13:33 |
| x86 | coderus: I never really called the update function when my list should have been set to empty xD | 13:33 |
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| x86 | coderus: but if you'd be willing to help, I'd some more strange behaviour which you could inspect :D | 13:37 |
| x86 | especially some weird component placement after the list is emptied. | 13:37 |
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| x86 | code: https://github.com/rollator/sound-for-fish/blob/master/qml/pages/GlobalSearch.qml | 13:38 |
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| abpnd12 | hello | 13:45 |
| coderus | x86: you should set listItem contentHeight | 13:45 |
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| abpnd12 | hello evryone... i am a beginner and i am very much intrested in the progress of the sailfish os | 13:47 |
| abpnd12 | i want to contribute to it | 13:47 |
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| abpnd12 | can anyone please help me | 13:48 |
| x86 | coderus: what value should I use there? | 13:48 |
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| coderus | x86: label.height in your case | 13:54 |
| x86 | coderus: thanks :D | 13:55 |
| coderus | abpnd12: what progress? | 13:55 |
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| lordchavez83-bas | Hello Guys, i am new to developing, i got a little experience in C and PHP, and want to catch up on coding for my jolla. Is there any good sailfish specific documentation for QT ? | 14:53 |
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| coderus | lordchavez83-bas: i can suggest you only some articles about IRC etiquette | 15:05 |
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| coderus | lol, harbour QA approve friendly note: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10678517/ | 15:06 |
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| coderus | if i do so, you can't screenshot removal of screenshot app :D | 15:07 |
| anYc | ^^ | 15:11 |
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| x86 | coderus: didn't have the time to test it, did so now. When I do contentHeight: Label.height inside of list item, they all stack together and console output is "ReferenceError: Label is not defined". However when I add an id to the label and set the contentHeight to labelId.height it get's unnaturally small. Additionally it doesen't help against the weird placement of the List :/ | 16:21 |
| coderus | x86: turn on brain? :D | 16:25 |
| coderus | x86: add id to your label in delegate and set listItem contentHeight: <label id here>.height | 16:26 |
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| x86 | coderus: that's what I did, however when I do that, the items are the size of the text(default style was better) AND it didn't help against the placement bug :( | 16:33 |
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| coderus | show screenshot about your placement bug | 16:35 |
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| stephg | good evening guys | 18:29 |
| coderus | good | 18:30 |
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| scottc | evening | 18:45 |
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| stephg | ooer | 18:46 |
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| Allstar12345 | So, how does this thing work | 20:20 |
| toerb | is there a better place to check for errors than journalctl when the app wont start? | 20:21 |
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| olpe | Allstar12345 you mean IRC in general or this channel? | 20:22 |
| kimmoli | toerb: try starting the app from commandline ? | 20:22 |
| toerb | on the first start after building and deploying from sdk my app works quite well. when i close it and open it again only the cover appaers on the homescreen with the loading symbol | 20:23 |
| toerb | after a while it disappears | 20:23 |
| Allstar12345 | olpe, in general, first time I've ever used IRC, coderus sent me here, kinda stuck of my Sailfish App | 20:24 |
| toerb | kimmoli: thanks, opening from command line works as expected. i think this is the reason why it works after deploying from sdk | 20:24 |
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| toerb | opening from the apps drawer (how is the name for it on sailfish) does not work | 20:25 |
| olpe | Yeah I saw those messages in fb Allstar12345 | 20:25 |
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| Allstar12345 | Ah, I'm recognised, that's a start olpe | 20:25 |
| Allstar12345 | olpe, it's weird, my App won't install on device, won't even export as release build | 20:26 |
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| kimmoli | toerb: is you .desktop file ok? with X-Nemo-Application-Type=silica-qt5 | 20:28 |
| olpe | http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/irctutorial.html for basic IRC commands. And yes just explain your problem here in this channel and people will try to help you I dont know if I can help you but somebody sure can | 20:28 |
| kimmoli | Allstar12345: you have problems in deploying as rpm ? | 20:28 |
| Allstar12345 | ople and kimmoli, well, since I don't have a Jolla I've asked someone to test it, but they can't install it, see here: https://static.dyp.im/y68OvarF1D/5186185a57575b0ca0100e309a2aa78e.png | 20:29 |
| kimmoli | what i always do, is delete .pro.user, and configure only release armv7 target, nothing else | 20:30 |
| kimmoli | that rpm is for emulator, and cant be installed on the device. | 20:30 |
| kimmoli | it says 486... | 20:31 |
| olpe | that image says ..i486.rpm | 20:31 |
| Allstar12345 | Just to let you all know, I don't know anything at all about nemo and linux, I've come from Symbian and QNX | 20:31 |
| toerb | kimmoli: seems okay | 20:32 |
| toerb | kimmoli: it was created by the sdk new project wizard | 20:32 |
| olpe | Allstar12345: you have to deploy it for armv7hl | 20:33 |
| Allstar12345 | olpe, I've tried, at first it gave me loads of cpp errors (which didn't come up before), now it says this : "20:33:34: The process "C:\SailfishOS\new\settings\SailfishBeta2\mer-sdk-tools\MerSDK\SailfishOS-armv7hl\deploy.cmd" exited with code 1. | 20:34 |
| Allstar12345 | Error while building/deploying project NightlyClockSailfish (kit: MerSDK-SailfishOS-armv7hl) | 20:34 |
| Allstar12345 | When executing step 'Rpm'" | 20:34 |
| kimmoli | the reason failing rpm deployment is usually above there | 20:36 |
| Allstar12345 | I think it has worked now | 20:39 |
| Allstar12345 | NightlyClockSailfish-1.0-1.armv7hl.rpm is the correct name for the installer? | 20:39 |
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| olpe | sounds ok | 20:40 |
| kimmoli | sounds ok | 20:40 |
| kimmoli | eh | 20:40 |
| olpe | LOL | 20:40 |
| kimmoli | http://forums.crackberry.com/app-announcements-f281/nightly-clock-allstar-software-my-first-bb-app-974045/ | 20:40 |
| kimmoli | ?? | 20:40 |
| Allstar12345 | Yeah, that one kinmoli, well a port of a newer build under bb review | 20:41 |
| Allstar12345 | Much newer build, damn that CB is a old one | 20:42 |
| Allstar12345 | https://appworld.blackberry.com/webstore/content/59945087/?countrycode=GB&lang=en | 20:42 |
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| toerb | so is there any other place i can look for errors than journalctl? | 20:46 |
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| stephg | toerb: short of starting it with strace or somesuch... | 20:47 |
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| Allstar12345 | Damn connection died mid message | 20:48 |
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| r0kk3rz | toerb: loading from the app drawer gets run through the booster i think | 20:51 |
| toerb | hmm restarting solved my problem | 20:51 |
| toerb | but why? | 20:51 |
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| x86 | coderus: strange position bug image: https://p.vsos.ethz.ch/owncloud/index.php/s/r1T83eA2BbG0R1d | 22:16 |
| x86 | coderus: when I change input text(and with that, the listModel), it reverts back to normal | 22:16 |
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| lachs0r | bah, just had to generate an ssh key because openssh on SFOS is so hopelessly outdated :< | 23:46 |
| * lachs0r uses ed25519 everywhere else | 23:46 | |
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